IDW Transformers: Lost Light - Casey Coller To Do Linework for Issue 20, EJ Su Art Sample

Seems mildly interesting. Still soured after the last two issues. Might read my GF's copy to see if it redeems itself.

I also think Cyclonus is seeing something else. So Rodimus is having a Matrix vision. Maybe he'll get it back and become Rodimus Prime just in time for Unicron to show up.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I also think Cyclonus is seeing something else. So Rodimus is having a Matrix vision. Maybe he'll get it back and become Rodimus Prime just in time for Unicron to show up.

They’re in the same place seeing the same thing.

Here’s no matrix to get back. It’s broken and in Optimus possession. This is a 3 part story.

They’re not going to be part of the Unicron story. That’s going to be only johns thing. James last story will be him tying up his own story of all his characters converging on cyberutopia.

Randomhero wrote:They’re not going to be part of the Unicron story. That’s going to be only johns thing. James last story will be him tying up his own story of all his characters converging on cyberutopia.

I must have missed this information in the news. Can you post a link, please?

ZeroWolf wrote:Then why did you read it for so long? Normally if something doesn't click with me after three-four issues we part ways.

Mostly for the art, and a tiny bit hoping at some point it would get better, sadly, I was wrong on the second part. At least the art has gotten better since they let that clown EJ Su draw it

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

From the look on his face, maybe Cyclonus sees this:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:From the look on his face, maybe Cyclonus sees this:

Hah,

Nah if that was the case, the panel would show him rolling over the floor laughing, expecting the original cyclonus to break out into a village people song looking like that.

Seriously it looks like hes wearing briefs

I think that it will end up being tailgate as someone else suggested, or, in a curve ball move, he's sees an image of cybertron as it was before the first ark launched.

I was thinking more along the lines of the more uniform aesthetic, the missing Faction Symbol etc. I imagine those things will present themselves soon enough in the "reboot".

Will have to see but I hope not, though the question does become how will they deal with galvatron, his own man? (This approach works best as there's little overlap between megs and galvy) or will they go full revival of megs -> galvy...hang on a moment...you were complaining in another thread about the franchise sticking with too much g1 influence and yet you want cyclonus and other aspects to be more like the sunbow cartoon. You want g1 to be used less then you need to get used to the idea that cyclonus doesn't need to be that boring yes man again. His character may have gone through some retcons but what he's now is infinitely better. I have a feeling that furman would gladly sign off on this new aspect.

Can't wait for the five page preview to come up, though it will be next week (hopefully) before we get answers...apart from those lucky few who get review copies early

No, Sunbow is Dead. G1 is equally gone and if not for the GeeWun "fans" we should have moved beyond it's shadow decades ago.

The nostalgia of G1 always holds back plot progression in virtually everything Transformers that came after. Plot progression in all comics is something I am a strong advocate of. Characters should change, die and not return etc etc

However, Cyclonus current design.. isn't great. His original design is iconic. My point was that yet again, Much like Ultra Magnus, IDW Cyclonus started off as something different and interesting and.. went to the wrong book. G1 has next to no sway over me at all. Beast Wars is king.

Personally I thought Megatron and Galvatron work as separate characters. Although Megatron should have been killed off at an earlier stage. Maybe at the conclusion to CHAOS? When you shed him and Prime, usually the series starts to progress forward.

OK
i have got some sort of braincloud

someone tell me,
why dud Rodimass paint himself?

i cannot recall and cannot find the why.

anyone?

If I recall correctly it was after the comic was rebranded and it was rodimus way of remembering the dead

ZeroWolf wrote:If I recall correctly it was after the comic was rebranded and it was rodimus way of remembering the dead

WHAAA!?

Z3ROhour wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:If I recall correctly it was after the comic was rebranded and it was rodimus way of remembering the dead

WHAAA!?

Drift convinced him to convert to Spectralism and, in doing so, chose a new paint job which represented both mourning and an intent to kill. And also to increase sales of Black Rodimus toys or summat, I dunno.

Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

ok

ZeroWolf wrote:Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

I'd think they ran out of ideas. SG was a fun one-off for a Botcon set and can be a way to make neato toy repaints, but it should remain as just that

ScottyP wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

I'd think they ran out of ideas. SG was a fun one-off for a Botcon set and can be a way to make neato toy repaints, but it should remain as just that

Hah you're probably right, and thinking about it, we still have the functionist universe where a good megs is, will be interesting to see what they can do with that.

I think that has often been the case with alternate universe stories: Less is more. My two favourite G1 stories: Peace and Rhythms of Darkness!, clearly illustrate that point. Sometimes to elaborate on the story is to cheapen it.

ZeroWolf wrote:Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No, Sunbow is Dead. G1 is equally gone and if not for the GeeWun "fans" we should have moved beyond it's shadow decades ago.

The nostalgia of G1 always holds back plot progression in virtually everything Transformers that came after. Plot progression in all comics is something I am a strong advocate of. Characters should change, die and not return etc etc

However, Cyclonus current design.. isn't great. His original design is iconic. My point was that yet again, Much like Ultra Magnus, IDW Cyclonus started off as something different and interesting and.. went to the wrong book. G1 has next to no sway over me at all. Beast Wars is king.

Personally I thought Megatron and Galvatron work as separate characters. Although Megatron should have been killed off at an earlier stage. Maybe at the conclusion to CHAOS? When you shed him and Prime, usually the series starts to progress forward.

This line of thinking is what ruins Transformers.

ScottyP wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

I'd think they ran out of ideas. SG was a fun one-off for a Botcon set and can be a way to make neato toy repaints, but it should remain as just that

I disagree 100%, the Shattered Glass idea was the BEST idea Botcon ever had, I think it would be awesome to see Hasbro do a full on line of repaints as the Evil Autobots and Heroic Decepticons in a SG toyline.

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

That's what someone calls shit writing and no imagination and it's what we've gotten from IDW since they got the licence

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

There's a great deal of content explaining how Getaway got away with it. It's ok if you don't like it but this part of the story is thought out, solid, and if it does anything it builds characters. Lost Light 10-12 redeemed many of the Mutineers.

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

That's what someone calls **** writing and no imagination and it's what we've gotten from IDW since they got the licence

I'm confused which part of my post are you talking about when saying the writing is bad? and no imagination? that doesn't make any sense at all as to come up with new scenarios and new takes on characters you need heaps of imagination. You don't like the series, that's fine we all have our own preferences. However calling the writers bad for not fitting in with your likes is very selfish and childish. The tf writers are good at their craft, if they weren't they wouldn't be working. You still haven't said what you would of preferred by the by.

I'm still hoping that lost Light has something to do in the unicron saga, would be a waste otherwise.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

That's what someone calls **** writing and no imagination and it's what we've gotten from IDW since they got the licence

I'm confused which part of my post are you talking about when saying the writing is bad? and no imagination? that doesn't make any sense at all as to come up with new scenarios and new takes on characters you need heaps of imagination. You don't like the series, that's fine we all have our own preferences. However calling the writers bad for not fitting in with your likes is very selfish and childish. The tf writers are good at their craft, if they weren't they wouldn't be working. You still haven't said what you would of preferred by the by.

I'm still hoping that lost Light has something to do in the unicron saga, would be a waste otherwise.

They aren't good at their job. Just because someone has a job does not mean they are always good at it, and these writers are terrible. Their entire story line has been boring, flat, and full of characters not acting anything like they actually are.

It's horrendous from start to finish. You are all free to like it, it doesn't mean that it is not crap. It just means you like crap.

Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all. Also did I miss the memo where the characters were supposed to act as certain way? Guess wheeljack in armada didn't get the memo or prowl in animated...or arcee in prime and grimlock in the new rid...funny that. Characters can share names without having to act like their tech specs said. Change is important to this franchise.

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all.

Quoted for truth.

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all. Also did I miss the memo where the characters were supposed to act as certain way? Guess wheeljack in armada didn't get the memo or prowl in animated...or arcee in prime and grimlock in the new rid...funny that. Characters can share names without having to act like their tech specs said. Change is important to this franchise.

Like I said, it's fine if you like crap, you're entitled to, doesn't make it any less crappy.

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all. Also did I miss the memo where the characters were supposed to act as certain way? Guess wheeljack in armada didn't get the memo or prowl in animated...or arcee in prime and grimlock in the new rid...funny that. Characters can share names without having to act like their tech specs said. Change is important to this franchise.

Like I said, it's fine if you like, what is in my opinion, crap. You're entitled to, doesn't make it any less crappy in my opinion.

Fixed it for you to help illustrate what one of my problems have been. Opinions aren't facts. Opinions can be informed by facts but that's it. As the age old saying goes, one man's rubbish is another man's treasure. It's highly likely that there's something you like that I'll find, in my opinion, rubbish.

ZeroWolf wrote: Opinions aren't facts.

Quoted for truth. Again. I'm buying you a virtual beer.

ZeroWolf wrote: Opinions are facts when it's garbage.

There fixed it for you, since you seem to be thick

You seem a tad upset, have I offended you by simply stating the truth that it's only garbage in your opinion? I mean what's the harm in that? I'm not belittling you, our opinions hold the same value as each other, neither are facts. Our differences are that you hate IDW for "reasons" while I like them for the fiction it gave us and how different it is from all that came before.

Now, one more time, opinions are not facts. You have stated your opinion as I have mine. That's all, neither of our opinions are facts (unless you can get every single person who read the comics to agree and swear to never change their opinion) so the comic is just that, we read it and form our own opinions.

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: Opinions are facts when it's garbage.

There fixed it for you, since you seem to be thick

Can you show us on this doll where the comic hurt you?

Seriously. YOu don't like the comic. You shared YOUR OPINION that it is garbage. That is fair, and welcome, but now, if you have nothing more to add, its time to move on.

See, some of us really like this comic. To us, it is NOT "garbage", it is a beloved storyline with characters we've come to care about, some surpisingly so. I don't mine when folks come in here and say they don't like it. Thats fair and welcome. What does piss me off, and tends to keep me from botherin to participate in discusion here, is somebody like you telling me that I'm wrong for liking it. You don't get to do that.

You can hate this book all you want, but don't crap on others who enjoy it.

Galactic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: Opinions are facts when it's garbage.

There fixed it for you, since you seem to be thick

I was willing to let this go, hoping you would move on by yourself. But you just keep vomiting up the same old argument, and now it's getting into personal insults. That's unacceptable. I'm all for a heated debate, but this is not it. Bottom line is, some people like the comic, some don't. It's a matter of choice. Period. I don't like it either, but I don't insult other members over it. If you don't like other people because they like something you don't, just don't talk to them. Talk about something you do agree on. But whatever you do, the insults stop NOW. It's the only written warning you get. Move on. Everyone else, just go back to discussing LL, don't prolong this with any responses, please.

Seems to be getting a bit testy in here, guys. It's ok to have different opinions.

Try this one: Ultra Magnus as written is a *terrible* second in command.

Just been reading through some back issues and it's remarkable how solipsistic and ineffective he is.

- Publicly undermines his captain
- Cannot/will not absorb or deflect problems away from said-captain (see email bombardment)
- Becomes resentful and effusive when denied requisite levels of attention from Rodimus which in part leads to...
- Betrayed Rodimus and the crew at large to Tyrest (under whose service he was similarly ineffective)
- Ultimately found himself simpatico with a genocidal war criminal

All in all, he's a bit of a snide sh*t.

While I understand Rodimus' explanation for keeping him around - a combination of tempering influence and self-flagellation - most other fictional commanders would see the giant robotic weasel demoted at best or launched out of an air lock at worst

Nevertheless, he's a good character. I hope Roberts eventually has someone call him out on his bullsh*t before the close

I liked that um got on with megs, it shown to me that he believed in second chances and as such, was willing to believe that megs had changed. I'm ultimately grateful that megs was sinscere in his change though I think he knew that he wouldn't be able to redeem himself for the monster he had become, still he set out to try and make a better future, I mean he never went out of his way to get people to like him. That's why I want this version of megs to survive the reboot even along side a evil version of himself, there's a lot they could still do with him. Though if they want an evil megatron, I want them to use the beast wars megatron somehow as he would make the autobots lives miserable.

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Galactic Prime wrote:Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Opinion =/= fact.

Sometimes it's better to ignore than acknowledge. Anyway...

ZeroWolf wrote:I liked that um got on with megs, it shown to me that he believed in second chances and as such, was willing to believe that megs had changed. I'm ultimately grateful that megs was sinscere in his change though I think he knew that he wouldn't be able to redeem himself for the monster he had become, still he set out to try and make a better future, I mean he never went out of his way to get people to like him. That's why I want this version of megs to survive the reboot even along side a evil version of himself, there's a lot they could still do with him. Though if they want an evil megatron, I want them to use the beast wars megatron somehow as he would make the autobots lives miserable.

Auto-Megatron represents one of IDW's biggest polar shifts to the Lore. To that end it's extremely unlikely that change would make the transition to a rebooted universe.

As an aside I do hope Transformers isn't going to be another series Disney buy for Marvel. Already lost out on Conan this year...

Ah my plan allowed both to exist and I don't see why it was a problem, even if they say he's not an autobot just not a con anymore like what happened at the end of prime. Though as I said, he's in the functionist universe...so if he was to stick around his appearances would be very limited. Megs doesn't need to be the main badguy any way. It's a shame that they let Mccarthy waste gigatron as he could have been a good leader

Typically rebooted universes wouldn't have any holdover. Megatron is traditionally the first leader of the Decepticons, in a reset Transformers universe, that would be the position he returns to. If Optimus Prime retains his role, it wouldn't make any sense for Megs not to follow suit.

From my reading, they let ______ [Decepticon] go to waste is a running theme in IDWverse. The IDW writers after Furman have been far too Autobot-centric, for me.

Buy they could have two megs as I said the good guy version pops in an issue or two here and there while the bad guy one is the same as we've had before... (whoop de do, can't wait to see how they do his tyrannical side again...we've already had it in spades )

Maybe they should try a different approach, even if its just a mini series. Do one or two main line books (one book with a back up strip might work best) and do g1 toon season 2.5 (or a proper season 4 for those that want to see post rebirth) as a mini-series (like 6 "episodes" or 4 episodes and a two parter in 6 issuses) that way the people who just want a continuation of g1 have what they want without it affecting the main line which will be affected by the hasbroverse.

ZeroWolf wrote:Buy they could have two megs as I said the good guy version pops in an issue or two here and there while the bad guy one is the same as we've had before... (whoop de do, can't wait to see how they do his tyrannical side again...we've already had it in spades )

Obviously the same would have to be said of Optimus Prime in that respect. It's not like we haven't had decades of the same tired and boring God-Bot that has stretched from G1 to Present Day. A one note sanctimonious hypocrite.

No complaints about that here!

ZeroWolf wrote:No complaints about that here!

As I've mentioned before, Transformers is often better off without either of them. Every TF story I ever drew, wrote or acted out with the toys as a kid, they were both among the first casualties.

The Movie got it right to get rid of both at the same time and I've never thought any different.

Burn wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Fact = fact when it's garbage.

Fixed it for you

I always found both Shockwave and Scorponok to be more interesting than Megatron. As much as I like Dark Cybertron, I was sad to see Shockwave die, especially after the great backstory he was given in IDW. Hopefully with Scorponok's reappearance in LL, we'll get a decent bad guy again, because sadly Sixshot and Overlord have been criminally wasted by Roberts. I'm not really surprised, considering the writer, just getting jaded as a reader over the lack of overall character development.

And yes, I am also tired of Optimus Prime, it would be nice to see someone else be the overall leader for a change.