IDW Lost Light #13 Uncolored First 5 Pages Shown, Plus New Red Alert and Cerebros Designs
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The 2nd thing that Milne has been showing off are some of his redesigns. Several characters were set to get new designs during and after Dying of the Light, with Drift and Ratchet being the 2 characters shown in that story in their new bodies. Milne here shows off his new Red Alert design, which to him is his new "stop messing with my head" look. He also shows off his design for Cerebros, whose only previous appearances were drawn by Priscilla Tramontano. While Cerebros' design is not new, it is still the first time we have seen his original design.
Check out all the beautiful artwork from Milne below, and stay tuned for Lost Light 13, out this week!
So #LostLight 13 is out this week. The full preview has gone up, so I will share the line art for those 2 pages That Velocity face on panel 5 of page 5 is probably one of my favs. Can anyone spot the Star Trek reference I put into page 5? #transformers #IDW
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Posted by ArmadaPrime on January 22nd, 2018 @ 5:24pm CST
seriously, I wish I knew why I loved him so much. I seriously considered getting a £100+ toy I have no space for just for the smaller toy that turns into its head...
Posted by Hydrargyrus on January 22nd, 2018 @ 6:38pm CST
ricemazter wrote:MagicDeath wrote:Nobody specifically answered my question, but I think I get the gist. I’m glad we can all express opinions without getting upset. I’m gonna go now before the conversation veers back towards stuff I haven’t read yet.
He can be a good writer. When the story is relatively small scale, Roberts can craft interesting and likeable characters that interact in equally interesting ways. I fully credit him with crafting some of my favorite transformers personalities at this point.
With proper editorial oversight, one might even call him great. However, as the story has gotten bigger and more sprawling, he's had a harder time keeping things together. I've explained in detail before, but one of the big issues with the current series, IMO, is that it's structured to basically fix "mistakes" in the story while setting up convoluted plot points and twists that'll only pay off later. He also has a tendency to insert himself in the story and editorialized on the comic in a way that can be grating, the whole "Swearth" and "Tarn" thing. That's just my 2 cents.
I wasn’t expecting it, but that is exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 22nd, 2018 @ 8:14pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 22nd, 2018 @ 8:27pm CST
It wasn't, we're just having a discussion.ZeroWolf wrote:I apologise if my post sounded too aggressive, it really wasn't my intention I understand they are your opinions and I thank you for taking the time it took to write that post to explain them.
Yes, that happens with most writers. My issue with Roberts is that it's been happening with him quite a bit lately, since the end of Dark Cybertron, and it carried over into Lost Light. He may have been brilliant when he started with IDW, but sooner or later the law of averages has to kick in. Even a good writer can write only so much substandard material before he loses his status as 'good.' For me, Roberts passed that point a while ago. If somehow he pulls the proverbial rabbit out of the hat and ends Lost Light with a bang (instead of a whimper, like Dying of the Light), he'll most likely redeem himself, or at least break even. Like the saying goes:'Give them a good beginning and a great ending, and they'll forgive a lot in between.'My thing was just trying to separate the idea that because you may not like where he's taking the story, it doesn't mean he's a bad writers as even the worst plots can still be brilliantly written.
I just hope he stays away from Transformers for a while after that. He's been doing it for over 10 years, time for a fresh style of writing. ZeroWolf, you said you're an aspiring writer, maybe you can take a shot at it.
As for the new designs, I like Cerebros, but not Red Alert. There's just too much going on with him.
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 23rd, 2018 @ 5:13pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:It wasn't, we're just having a discussion.ZeroWolf wrote:I apologise if my post sounded too aggressive, it really wasn't my intention I understand they are your opinions and I thank you for taking the time it took to write that post to explain them.Yes, that happens with most writers. My issue with Roberts is that it's been happening with him quite a bit lately, since the end of Dark Cybertron, and it carried over into Lost Light. He may have been brilliant when he started with IDW, but sooner or later the law of averages has to kick in. Even a good writer can write only so much substandard material before he loses his status as 'good.' For me, Roberts passed that point a while ago. If somehow he pulls the proverbial rabbit out of the hat and ends Lost Light with a bang (instead of a whimper, like Dying of the Light), he'll most likely redeem himself, or at least break even. Like the saying goes:'Give them a good beginning and a great ending, and they'll forgive a lot in between.'My thing was just trying to separate the idea that because you may not like where he's taking the story, it doesn't mean he's a bad writers as even the worst plots can still be brilliantly written.
I just hope he stays away from Transformers for a while after that. He's been doing it for over 10 years, time for a fresh style of writing. ZeroWolf, you said you're an aspiring writer, maybe you can take a shot at it.
As for the new designs, I like Cerebros, but not Red Alert. There's just too much going on with him.
You flatter me by just suggesting I have a shot at best I just have idea for mini series and maybe an idea for a universe. I would find it daunting to have to step into another writer's shoes to continue a series like ll or op.
Posted by Burn on January 24th, 2018 @ 5:40am CST
Your weird Uncle Va'al wanted me to pop my thoughts in here on Lost Light issue #13. Well ... he wanted me to give them to him, but hey, why deny you guys and gals my sunny thoughts on a once great book!
I'll cut to the chase before you "IDW-can-do-no-wrong" folks start coming at me with torches and pitch forks.
I enjoyed this issue.
It felt like a return to the light heartedness that I use to enjoy, sure, there was still the more serious moments, but it was a great balance light and serious.
Cyclonus and Ultra Magnus? Absolutely loved their interaction. Magnus is Magnus, he's so stiff, such a stickler for the rules, and sure he's showing signs of being a despot, BUT.IT'S.MAGNUS. For some reason we can always over look how much of a control freak he is, BECAUSE.HE'S.MAGNUS.
And on the flip side, is Cyclonus, who is clearly hurting and all Magnus can offer is "I'm just going to sit over there". I guess I can relate ... because it's the sort of thing I would do, not too good if someone starts awkwardly pouring their heart out to me.
Of course with Magnus being no help whatsoever, Cyclonus continues to hurt, and this, to me, is good story telling. It of course leads into Whirl and Cyclonus having a moment. IDW's Whirl has always been a fascinating character to me, so much so I set out to replace Stinky Whirl the toy because of his appearance in this comic (that subsequently lead to Slightly Less Stinky Whirl).
Where Magnus is a stickler for rules and often distant, Whirl is just a cunt with a heart of gold. He comes across as a tough bastard, desperate to keep everyone at arms length, except when it comes to Cyclonus, and that "relationship" is one I've always found interesting, again, because I see aspects of myself in Whirl.
The bulk of the book seems to revolve around Swerve and Anode, and it's light hearted fun. In fact, at least 75% of the book is light hearted fun, with the remainder taking the more serious tone to help propel the story line all to the final panel of the issue, ending with a "HOLY CRAP!" moment and an interesting cliff hanger.
TL;DR - Good book, grab it worth the read.
Posted by Ironhidensh on January 24th, 2018 @ 7:14am CST
Burn wrote:Hi kids!
Your weird Uncle Va'al wanted me to pop my thoughts in here on Lost Light issue #13. Well ... he wanted me to give them to him, but hey, why deny you guys and gals my sunny thoughts on a once great book!
I'll cut to the chase before you "IDW-can-do-no-wrong" folks start coming at me with torches and pitch forks.
I enjoyed this issue.
It felt like a return to the light heartedness that I use to enjoy, sure, there was still the more serious moments, but it was a great balance light and serious.
Cyclonus and Ultra Magnus? Absolutely loved their interaction. Magnus is Magnus, he's so stiff, such a stickler for the rules, and sure he's showing signs of being a despot, BUT.IT'S.MAGNUS. For some reason we can always over look how much of a control freak he is, BECAUSE.HE'S.MAGNUS.
And on the flip side, is Cyclonus, who is clearly hurting and all Magnus can offer is "I'm just going to sit over there". I guess I can relate ... because it's the sort of thing I would do, not too good if someone starts awkwardly pouring their heart out to me.
Of course with Magnus being no help whatsoever, Cyclonus continues to hurt, and this, to me, is good story telling. It of course leads into Whirl and Cyclonus having a moment. IDW's Whirl has always been a fascinating character to me, so much so I set out to replace Stinky Whirl the toy because of his appearance in this comic (that subsequently lead to Slightly Less Stinky Whirl).
Where Magnus is a stickler for rules and often distant, Whirl is just a **** with a heart of gold. He comes across as a tough bastard, desperate to keep everyone at arms length, except when it comes to Cyclonus, and that "relationship" is one I've always found interesting, again, because I see aspects of myself in Whirl.
The bulk of the book seems to revolve around Swerve and Anode, and it's light hearted fun. In fact, at least 75% of the book is light hearted fun, with the remainder taking the more serious tone to help propel the story line all to the final panel of the issue, ending with a "HOLY CRAP!" moment and an interesting cliff hanger.
TL;DR - Good book, grab it worth the read.
I just came to literally post the same thing.
This issue was fun.
Posted by ScottyP on January 24th, 2018 @ 7:36am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 24th, 2018 @ 9:43am CST
Burn wrote:IDW's Whirl has always been a fascinating character to me, so much so I set out to replace Stinky Whirl the toy because of his appearance in this comic (that subsequently lead to Slightly Less Stinky Whirl).
Despite your love for the character, you can't catch a break with the toy it seems which actually fits his sense of humourin a way.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 24th, 2018 @ 10:34am CST
ArmadaPrime wrote:Unrelated note to any of the Bigger discussion going on, but GOD I love Cerebros. Always loved the design (that head! ~swoons~) from even his few half-panel mid-transformation appearances in the old marvel comics; Titans Return gave him an actual bit of personality and now seeing Milne take the new design to such heights makes me a very happy lad.
seriously, I wish I knew why I loved him so much. I seriously considered getting a £100+ toy I have no space for just for the smaller toy that turns into its head...
I want to quote this because I feel the same way. After getting the toy and finding Cerebros to be an amazing toy with so much cool stuff going on, and then him showing up in MTMTE, he is a great character that I do like for no real reason.
And I fully agree with Burn on Cyclonus and Whirl. They have truly been the best characters of the book, and seeing them develop over time, it's awesome. They are 2 of my favorites from the overall IDW-verse, and really transformers in general
Posted by Va'al on January 24th, 2018 @ 11:49am CST
Posted by ArmadaPrime on January 24th, 2018 @ 1:27pm CST
I'm curious to see what the general consensus will be- so far seems good! Wondering whether the double return of Milne and Rodsquad Bantering On A Spaceship is a factor. Wanna echo also the thoughts on Whirl. I've been waiting for Those Three Panels for a good long while.
Also D-Max, I'm so glad someone shares my inexplicable love for Cerebros!
Posted by Va'al on January 24th, 2018 @ 1:29pm CST
(Spoiler free-ish)
Synopsis
CABIN FEVER! Crammed into a dead Decepticon astropod that's ten sizes too small, the displaced crew of the Lost Light face their most serious threat yet: each other. As tensions rise and tempers fray, only one Autobot is arrogant enough to think he can save the day. Enter Rodimus, expert mediator.
Story
We've had the last story arc be fairly brutal, in both setting, execution (heh) and consequences, so it is only natural - as these series appear to do - to have a breather issue to regain both a setting (the shuttle/pod), a cast (the Lost Light crew), and a handle of the various storylines that had temporarily, and seemingly, been put on pause.
If you will, and if we accept the TV series comparisons for James Roberts' writing, this is a bottle issue. And what that means is that we have ample space for character work rather than plot (and that is both good a bad) but it does not cancel the plot elements that are very much there (believe us, there are MANY THINGS addressed between the lines), if embedded in the character interactions.
Most of all, perhaps, we get to see more of Cyclonus, his growth, development and positioning among the crew (with some impressive Whirl, Magnus, and Chromedome moments), in light of whatever may or may not have happened to Tailgate from last time we saw him and Fangry. Does buried mean dead? And how dead? Comics dead? Or is something else at play, again?
I have more thoughts on how the situation is being handled, below, but I wanted to also mention the attempts (and I mean attempt) at a lighter tone for most of the issue, counterbalancing the heavier parts of the story, with Swerve and Anode playing off each other, but at the same time - I felt - clashing with the overall feeling of the issue. As I said, more below.
Art
Alex Milne returns from Shining Armor back to the Lost Light crew, and what I found most impressive was the incredible similarity in some of the beats that regular artist Jack Lawrence brings to the series usually. Some of the expressions with Ratchet, especially, and it was a delight to see reinterpretations of previous designs and personal takes on specific characters like Anode and Lug.
That similarity, however, is not entirely to be found in the lineart - but rather pretty much distilled to perfection in Joana Lafuente's colours. The continuity and cohesion, for lack of better terms, that her colours bring to the two different styles of art, is something to behold. Plus, we get all the usual amazingness as well.
Roberts' scripts are never not dialogue/text heavy, and a good letterer is the best thing the comics needs for the flow to work well - but also pepper in some clues and hints at situations, possibilities, eventualities, and silent, blank spaces. And for that, Tom B. Long is what is needed.
As for the covers, there are several variants to be found accompanying the issue, from the Milne artist edition used in the thumbnail of this story, to the Roch / Burcham take on the lighter thread of the book, via JN Wiedle's Rodimus spotlight, and the main, regular, Cyclonus-centric Lawrence / Lafuente piece - to check them all out, head to our database!
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
There is a dangling cliffhanger at the very end that might leave several readers fairly surprised, if not speechless, but I felt like the journey it took to get to it was only half as enjoyable as I wanted it to be. Forced interactions in combined spaces have been done in this series previously, and this one had a strong running thread that was - again, for me - too undercut at times, even in its own seriousness.
In addition, the apparent suspension of a lot of plots that are still to be resolved will rub many the wrong way, but more is happening than it first looks (it definitely took a pointer for me to spot some moving parts I had missed, too). To add an even more positive spin, the issue will probably appeal more to readers closer to older stories in the series, but has more than enough material to also not completely shut out new readers, with fewer reference material to work with. So exactly a good, average issue, with some wins and some not-as-much.
(Added note: my biggest problem with the book, I'll admit, is one line of dialogue, towards the second part of the issue, about a specific relationship, and how I really do not like how and where, and regarding whom, it was deployed. I'll leave that for the discussion boards, though.)
Posted by Burn on January 24th, 2018 @ 2:11pm CST
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:And I fully agree with Burn on Cyclonus and Whirl. They have truly been the best characters of the book, and seeing them develop over time, it's awesome. They are 2 of my favorites from the overall IDW-verse, and really transformers in general
And it's been a slow development as well, which makes it odd that I enjoy it, given my hatred for how these books will set up a plot then leave it for years at a time and then expect us to remember "oh yeah that happened (5 years ago)!" but this ... I don't want to call it a relationship or even a friendship, doesn't get touched on for ages at a time.
Posted by Va'al on January 24th, 2018 @ 2:48pm CST
We return to the Scavengers, wherever they ended up, Grimlock, and most probably Commander Nickel too. Check out synopsis and preview pages below, with art in the issue by both Brendan Cahill and Sara Pitre Durocher, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub.
MACGUFFIN QUEST! The Scavengers have never had it so good. The war is a receding memory, their patchy service records have been forgotten, and the five of them can roam the galaxy as they please. All’s well that ends well? Not quite. Because unbeknownst to Krok and Co., their next adventure… will be their last.
Posted by Hotconvoy on January 24th, 2018 @ 3:13pm CST
Posted by Daniel Adkins on January 24th, 2018 @ 3:21pm CST
Hotconvoy wrote:Whaaaaat tarn has a face?!
Yeah, we saw it back in MTMTE #55.
I really hope that Howlback line isn't just a throwaway. She's a favorite of mine and I would love to see more trans characters.
Posted by ricemazter on January 24th, 2018 @ 3:24pm CST
Posted by Randomhero on January 24th, 2018 @ 4:02pm CST
ricemazter wrote:I find it incredibly silly that Roberts spent so much time misleading the audience that Tarn was Roller, only for him to look exactly like Roller without his mask.
He has a generic face. It’s not Rollers face it’s a face. And of course he mislead everyone. If you got harassed on social media for years by people saying ‘ITS ROLLER I KNOW IT!’ Who’d blame him.
Posted by Randomhero on January 24th, 2018 @ 4:21pm CST
Posted by ricemazter on January 24th, 2018 @ 5:45pm CST
Randomhero wrote:ricemazter wrote:I find it incredibly silly that Roberts spent so much time misleading the audience that Tarn was Roller, only for him to look exactly like Roller without his mask.
He has a generic face. It’s not Rollers face it’s a face. And of course he mislead everyone. If you got harassed on social media for years by people saying ‘ITS ROLLER I KNOW IT!’ Who’d blame him.
It's not really the face, it's the entire head shape. Large circles on the side, piece of the forehead apparatus swept back over the circles similarly, forehead slopes the same way, the helmet meets the face at the same spots, and the chin has a similar protuberance. It also doesn't help that they virtually have the same body type.
It's very distracting to me.
Posted by Tigertrack on January 24th, 2018 @ 6:21pm CST
With 3 different groups running through this comic, you have to keep going into wait mode to see what happens next. Just barely touched base with the LL mutineers and then we're back to the Rod crew, even less time with them, and now we're with the Scavengers, and... Oh, I've gone cross-eyed.
I'm sure it's a staple of good storytelling, just frustrates. Guess that could be a reason to wait for the trade. Or just not care much.
Posted by BATTLEMASTER IIC on January 24th, 2018 @ 9:01pm CST
Speaking of Damus' face, I wonder if that's what his face looked like pre-empurata. I'm getting a bit of a Darth Vader vibe from him in this preview.
Posted by Deadput on January 24th, 2018 @ 10:37pm CST
BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:Also, that Vos has hooks for hands, so that would be Agent 113/Dominus Ambus.
Except for the fact that Agent 113 did not look like that.
While it could be a simple Artist mistake I'm just saying that Agent 133 has never looked similar to Vos before.
Posted by Sagitta on January 24th, 2018 @ 11:55pm CST
ricemazter wrote:I find it incredibly silly that Roberts spent so much time misleading the audience that Tarn was Roller, only for him to look exactly like Roller without his mask.
Ah, but was Roberts misleading the audience or was the audience too busy playing it's own guessing games? Just about anyone can have their own theories regarding whatever evidence they find. While having had theories of my my own was glad to have been proven wrong. Especially given Roller's character.
Why is Roller's name a spoiler again? Issue 55# kinda let the cat out of the proverbial bag.
Posted by Nexus Knight on January 25th, 2018 @ 1:15am CST
Sagitta wrote:Why is Roller's name a spoiler again? Issue 55# kinda let the cat out of the proverbial bag.
'Coz we like to assume some people live under a rock and just recently got access to "the interwebnet".
Posted by steve2275 on January 25th, 2018 @ 1:33am CST
Posted by Deadput on January 25th, 2018 @ 1:35am CST
Deadput wrote:"Previous post about Agent 113"
Found a full design of previous Vos on another site for those who care
So...it's probably an artist mistake if their the same guy.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 25th, 2018 @ 1:36am CST
Posted by Tigertrack on January 25th, 2018 @ 3:46am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:I know this is only a preview, and one which is a flashback at that, but I'm officially intrigued. I suspect it will end up being just an explanation of how Scorponok ended up where he is currently in the story and it will go back to being the same old crappy LL, but I still want to know how Shockwave got away from the D.J.D. We know they don't get him, unless the entire story of Dark Cybertron gets totally dismissed as if it never happened. Hopefully at least that gets answered in the same issue, and doesn't get dragged out over the next 5.
I agree and want this to involve time travel and second versions of characters so maybe we can get a wicked battle, and for the DJD to be just handed their collective arses, just once... Deciding Shockwave's too much trouble right now, or something...
So now we have another reason for Shockwave to undo Overlord's kill switch... More on the list for the DJD to want to pursue. He might bring that point up later in the book...
Shockwave must be legitimately frightened of them.
Posted by Va'al on January 25th, 2018 @ 4:00am CST
The pages mirrored below show artist Sara Pitre Durocher's process from layout and roughs to the final lineart - plus Joana Lafuente's colours and Tom B. Long's letters from the final verson - for the third page of the preview, featuring Damus / Glitch / Tarn and his old mentor Shockwave, and their conversation after the latter's liberation from Garrus-9. Check it out below, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!
Posted by steve2275 on January 25th, 2018 @ 4:07am CST
Posted by Targetmaster Kup on January 25th, 2018 @ 4:55am CST
Posted by ScottyP on January 25th, 2018 @ 8:38am CST
I say this as nicely as I can: it's time to move on. We're going on two years removed from that. Go back and look at Glitch, look at the context, and try to move onricemazter wrote:I find it incredibly silly that Roberts spent so much time misleading the audience that Tarn was Roller, only for him to look exactly like Roller without his mask.
Posted by Diaboragon on January 25th, 2018 @ 10:20am CST
Posted by ricemazter on January 25th, 2018 @ 11:12am CST
ScottyP wrote:I say this as nicely as I can: it's time to move on. We're going on two years removed from that. Go back and look at Glitch, look at the context, and try to move onricemazter wrote:I find it incredibly silly that Roberts spent so much time misleading the audience that Tarn was Roller, only for him to look exactly like Roller without his mask.
To each their own, I only bring it up because Tarn's maskless appearance reminds me of Roller and I find that observation amusing. You make it sound like I care much more than I actually do.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 25th, 2018 @ 12:24pm CST
He wasn't on the list at all, or was he just further down the line? Tarn is pretty adamant about working his way through the list in the proper order.Diaboragon wrote:Hol' up, Shockwave's comment about the 31 bots with him indicates that they're all on the list, including Flywheels. But when the DJD met the scavengers, Flywheels wasn't one of their targets.
As for his actual face, for some reason I always see a mix of Megatron and Starscream.
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 25th, 2018 @ 4:30pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:He wasn't on the list at all, or was he just further down the line? Tarn is pretty adamant about working his way through the list in the proper order.Diaboragon wrote:Hol' up, Shockwave's comment about the 31 bots with him indicates that they're all on the list, including Flywheels. But when the DJD met the scavengers, Flywheels wasn't one of their targets.
As for his actual face, for some reason I always see a mix of Megatron and Starscream.
I can see the starscream resemblance a little bit but it wouldn't of surprised me if they had said that glitch had work done to look like megs, in fact I'm surprised they didn't.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 25th, 2018 @ 6:03pm CST
Va'al wrote:(Added note: my biggest problem with the book, I'll admit, is one line of dialogue, towards the second part of the issue, about a specific relationship, and how I really do not like how and where, and regarding whom, it was deployed. I'll leave that for the discussion boards, though.)
I have an idea who you are talking about, but I'd like clarification before I discuss it.
Also, just saying, my remarks about how Scorponoks reveal in issue 9 was the high point of the book? Well, I'm glad we are going back to him. I am looking forward to his part in the story
Posted by Tigertrack on January 25th, 2018 @ 7:06pm CST
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:(Added note: my biggest problem with the book, I'll admit, is one line of dialogue, towards the second part of the issue, about a specific relationship, and how I really do not like how and where, and regarding whom, it was deployed. I'll leave that for the discussion boards, though.)
I have an idea who you are talking about, but I'd like clarification before I discuss it.
Also, just saying, my remarks about how Scorponoks reveal in issue 9 was the high point of the book? Well, I'm glad we are going back to him. I am looking forward to his part in the story
I thought Chromedome's comments were unfair, and pretty horrible as things go. But rereading from the beginning of MTMTE, I think I held Chromedome in too high of regard, and that situation with Cyclonus bothered me even with that in mind.
Posted by ricemazter on January 25th, 2018 @ 8:19pm CST
Tigertrack wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:(Added note: my biggest problem with the book, I'll admit, is one line of dialogue, towards the second part of the issue, about a specific relationship, and how I really do not like how and where, and regarding whom, it was deployed. I'll leave that for the discussion boards, though.)
I have an idea who you are talking about, but I'd like clarification before I discuss it.
Also, just saying, my remarks about how Scorponoks reveal in issue 9 was the high point of the book? Well, I'm glad we are going back to him. I am looking forward to his part in the story
I thought Chromedome's comments were unfair, and pretty horrible as things go. But rereading from the beginning of MTMTE, I think I held Chromedome in too high of regard, and that situation with Cyclonus bothered me even with that in mind.
Are we talking about what Cyclonus said about Chromedome and Rewind's relationship not being real or what Chromedome said about Cyclonus being jealous?
If it's the former Cyclonus has a really disturbing perspective on what relationships should be, and this issue puts his past interactions with Tailgate in a really creepy light.
This has definitely been the best issue of LL to date. It stumbles in not resolving anything except, maybe, one of the tangles plot threads while introducing at least three more that won't be resolved until later, but the character interactions were more interesting than they have been in a while and took priority over the plot. Hopefully, this is a return to form.
Posted by WreckerJack on January 25th, 2018 @ 9:26pm CST
Tigertrack wrote:I thought Chromedome's comments were unfair, and pretty horrible as things go. But rereading from the beginning of MTMTE, I think I held Chromedome in too high of regard, and that situation with Cyclonus bothered me even with that in mind.
I think Chromedome is insensitive. Like the remarks he made about Rewind's altmode not having wheels, thinking it was okay to just climb inside Roller without asking (wether or not there was any canoodling in the back of his cab is up to the reader I suppose ) What he said to Cyclonus is a new low. Sure Cyclonus was rude too, but Chromedome should have conducted himself knowing that Cyclonus was absolutely devastated.
Posted by Va'al on January 26th, 2018 @ 3:41am CST
ricemazter wrote:Tigertrack wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:(Added note: my biggest problem with the book, I'll admit, is one line of dialogue, towards the second part of the issue, about a specific relationship, and how I really do not like how and where, and regarding whom, it was deployed. I'll leave that for the discussion boards, though.)
I have an idea who you are talking about, but I'd like clarification before I discuss it.
Also, just saying, my remarks about how Scorponoks reveal in issue 9 was the high point of the book? Well, I'm glad we are going back to him. I am looking forward to his part in the story
I thought Chromedome's comments were unfair, and pretty horrible as things go. But rereading from the beginning of MTMTE, I think I held Chromedome in too high of regard, and that situation with Cyclonus bothered me even with that in mind.
Are we talking about what Cyclonus said about Chromedome and Rewind's relationship not being real or what Chromedome said about Cyclonus being jealous?
If it's the former Cyclonus has a really disturbing perspective on what relationships should be, and this issue puts his past interactions with Tailgate in a really creepy light.
Yeah, Cyclonus' comment to Chromedome was definitely.. iffy at best. Especially for a character that has been shown several times as not really shying away from abuse, towards himself or his partner/close ones.
This has definitely been the best issue of LL to date. It stumbles in not resolving anything except, maybe, one of the tangles plot threads while introducing at least three more that won't be resolved until later, but the character interactions were more interesting than they have been in a while and took priority over the plot. Hopefully, this is a return to form.
I'm glad people are taking the same reading I had but in a much more positive stride! I really am!
Posted by ricemazter on January 26th, 2018 @ 6:30am CST
Va'al wrote:ricemazter wrote:Tigertrack wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:(Added note: my biggest problem with the book, I'll admit, is one line of dialogue, towards the second part of the issue, about a specific relationship, and how I really do not like how and where, and regarding whom, it was deployed. I'll leave that for the discussion boards, though.)
I have an idea who you are talking about, but I'd like clarification before I discuss it.
Also, just saying, my remarks about how Scorponoks reveal in issue 9 was the high point of the book? Well, I'm glad we are going back to him. I am looking forward to his part in the story
I thought Chromedome's comments were unfair, and pretty horrible as things go. But rereading from the beginning of MTMTE, I think I held Chromedome in too high of regard, and that situation with Cyclonus bothered me even with that in mind.
Are we talking about what Cyclonus said about Chromedome and Rewind's relationship not being real or what Chromedome said about Cyclonus being jealous?
If it's the former Cyclonus has a really disturbing perspective on what relationships should be, and this issue puts his past interactions with Tailgate in a really creepy light.
Yeah, Cyclonus' comment to Chromedome was definitely.. iffy at best. Especially for a character that has been shown several times as not really shying away from abuse, towards himself or his partner/close ones.
Though I'm not glad that Tailgate might be dead, I think it's for the best that they're no longer together. The power dynamic between them was always lopsided in an uncomfortable way, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they broke up once the power shifted. Cyclonus really shouldn't be with anyone because of how volatile he is.
Posted by not_a_bot on January 26th, 2018 @ 9:08am CST
Cyclonus is grieving and angry and pretty much blaming himself.
Chromedome had his partner pretty much skewered without reason right in front of his eyes, plus he does not know what happened to Tailgate yet - Whirl was the first to figure that one out - so from his point of view he too has a right to be angry, and he lashes out.
Posted by snavej on January 26th, 2018 @ 9:14am CST
Also, why is he using a hand-held 'phone when he has plenty of built-in communications equipment?!
Posted by Va'al on January 26th, 2018 @ 1:05pm CST
not_a_bot wrote:I felt the things both of them said were pretty much understandable, from their point of view.
Cyclonus is grieving and angry and pretty much blaming himself.
Chromedome had his partner pretty much skewered without reason right in front of his eyes, plus he does not know what happened to Tailgate yet - Whirl was the first to figure that one out - so from his point of view he too has a right to be angry, and he lashes out.
I get that, I do. But that line reveals more about himself and his attitude towards attachment than anything hurtful towards Chromedome. And that attitude is not very good.
Posted by ScottyP on January 26th, 2018 @ 1:39pm CST
When Red Alert picks up the Necrobot's cloak, which is giving a view into the Benzene cluster of space, the wordplay gives it away:
Fun stuff, I'm quite interested to see where all this leads. There's something serious going on in that part of space, presumably separate from Unicron things since we know he's going to show up around Elonia first.
Posted by ricemazter on January 26th, 2018 @ 7:59pm CST
Va'al wrote:not_a_bot wrote:I felt the things both of them said were pretty much understandable, from their point of view.
Cyclonus is grieving and angry and pretty much blaming himself.
Chromedome had his partner pretty much skewered without reason right in front of his eyes, plus he does not know what happened to Tailgate yet - Whirl was the first to figure that one out - so from his point of view he too has a right to be angry, and he lashes out.
I get that, I do. But that line reveals more about himself and his attitude towards attachment than anything hurtful towards Chromedome. And that attitude is not very good.
I really don't know how I feel about it. On the one hand, it's a super screwed up way of seeing a relationship. On the other, it's a really interesting development that recontextualizes everything having to do with Cyclonus and Tailgate in a way that makes a really dark kind of sense.
It's crazy when Whirl, the king of being abusive towards people he supposedly likes, is the closest to seeing the pairing for what it is.
I kind of hope Roberts runs with this idea. It's really twisted, but makes things much more interesting.