Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More
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Thanks to Loopaza, we now have high resolution scans of the latest issue of the Figure King Magazine, issue 247. Oddly enough, the big highlight in this issue is Power Charge Bumblebee from the upcoming Bumblebee Movie line. So yes, a gimmick centered toy aimed at kids is the most promoted item of Takara this month. We get to see a big promo shot we had not seen in yesterday's news.
Aside from Bee, we also have a lot of images of Legendary Optimus Prime and an image comparing it to the voyager Evasion Mode Optimus Prime, showing it to be the size of a modern day leader class toy (or just about). Speaking of scale, we also see how big Micromasters are, which is the exact same size as the Prime Master decoy armour (so slightly bigger than their G1 counterparts).
We also see other Transformers Siege toys, but nothing that has yet to be revealed. Thanks to these high resolution images, we can finally see that this is the final product with weathering effects. They are simply less pronounced in the final toy than what we had seen from Hasbro which was only digital renders and painted prototypes. So this tells us that as expected, the brand unification is in full effect and the weathering won't be as intense, especially since that would mean a lot more paint applications than usual.
We also see Masterpiece Optimus Prime version 3 which highlights his articulation and backpack.
And there is more, much more, like Takara Tomy Studio Series Starcream, Movie Bumblebee and KSI Sentry, MPM-06 Ironhide, Encore Big Convoy, Studio Series DOTM Ratcher, Ironhide and Shadow Raider, PP Throne of The Primes, Masterpiece Wheeljack, Legends Grotusque and Repugnus and the Unite Warriors reissues.
Aside from Bee, we also have a lot of images of Legendary Optimus Prime and an image comparing it to the voyager Evasion Mode Optimus Prime, showing it to be the size of a modern day leader class toy (or just about). Speaking of scale, we also see how big Micromasters are, which is the exact same size as the Prime Master decoy armour (so slightly bigger than their G1 counterparts).
We also see other Transformers Siege toys, but nothing that has yet to be revealed. Thanks to these high resolution images, we can finally see that this is the final product with weathering effects. They are simply less pronounced in the final toy than what we had seen from Hasbro which was only digital renders and painted prototypes. So this tells us that as expected, the brand unification is in full effect and the weathering won't be as intense, especially since that would mean a lot more paint applications than usual.
We also see Masterpiece Optimus Prime version 3 which highlights his articulation and backpack.
And there is more, much more, like Takara Tomy Studio Series Starcream, Movie Bumblebee and KSI Sentry, MPM-06 Ironhide, Encore Big Convoy, Studio Series DOTM Ratcher, Ironhide and Shadow Raider, PP Throne of The Primes, Masterpiece Wheeljack, Legends Grotusque and Repugnus and the Unite Warriors reissues.
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Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980418)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2018 @ 11:20am CDT
Sadly, the weathering effects will not be avoided, we see them better now in the new scans:
You can at least see it on Optimus's thigh and wheel. I am not a big fan because this seems like they didnt really go all the way. Reminds me of Beast Hunters Wheeljack.
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2018 @ 11:20am CDT
Randomhero wrote:Counterpunch wrote:Pay more to avoid weathering paint apps?
Uhg...
Fine.
Sideswipe has the weathering so it’s probaky just takara painted proto
Sadly, the weathering effects will not be avoided, we see them better now in the new scans:
You can at least see it on Optimus's thigh and wheel. I am not a big fan because this seems like they didnt really go all the way. Reminds me of Beast Hunters Wheeljack.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980429)
Posted by leokearon on August 24th, 2018 @ 12:02pm CDT
Posted by leokearon on August 24th, 2018 @ 12:02pm CDT
I thought Cog couldn't become Gasket and Grommit
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980432)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2018 @ 12:13pm CDT
He could, they just dont have robot modes of their own, which no one expected
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2018 @ 12:13pm CDT
leokearon wrote:I thought Cog couldn't become Gasket and Grommit
He could, they just dont have robot modes of their own, which no one expected
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980436)
Posted by Seibertron on August 24th, 2018 @ 12:27pm CDT
I asked about that at SDCC to the Hasbro team. I misspoke with my question by asking if Cog could transform into the individual robot modes for Gasket and Grommet. As I was asking the question, I was really thinking for some reason that Gasket and Grommet had individual robot modes, when in fact they do not and not sure what I was mixing them up with.
Cog is amazing, by the way. Way to take a BS character and make him awesome.
Posted by Seibertron on August 24th, 2018 @ 12:27pm CDT
leokearon wrote:I thought Cog couldn't become Gasket and Grommit
I asked about that at SDCC to the Hasbro team. I misspoke with my question by asking if Cog could transform into the individual robot modes for Gasket and Grommet. As I was asking the question, I was really thinking for some reason that Gasket and Grommet had individual robot modes, when in fact they do not and not sure what I was mixing them up with.
Cog is amazing, by the way. Way to take a BS character and make him awesome.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980442)
Posted by galvatron00 on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:16pm CDT
Posted by galvatron00 on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:16pm CDT
I'm definitely getting excited for SIEGE. I'm also pretty pumped with that upscale retool and redeco of Evasion Optimus.
Pretty sure that's what it is.
I mean, who'd leave those elbows ON PURPOSE?!
Pretty sure that's what it is.
I mean, who'd leave those elbows ON PURPOSE?!
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980444)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:31pm CDT
I must say, though, that the scaled back weathering effects look much better to me. A little does really go a long way. It should help the Siege figures fit in that much better with the rest of the Classics/Universe/Generations line. These high resolution scans also make Optimus Prime's red look a whole lot more on model. The low resolution scans before made him look almost hot pink.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:31pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Randomhero wrote:Counterpunch wrote:Pay more to avoid weathering paint apps?
Uhg...
Fine.
Sideswipe has the weathering so it’s probaky just takara painted proto
Sadly, the weathering effects will not be avoided, we see them better now in the new scans:
You can at least see it on Optimus's thigh and wheel. I am not a big fan because this seems like they didnt really go all the way. Reminds me of Beast Hunters Wheeljack.
I must say, though, that the scaled back weathering effects look much better to me. A little does really go a long way. It should help the Siege figures fit in that much better with the rest of the Classics/Universe/Generations line. These high resolution scans also make Optimus Prime's red look a whole lot more on model. The low resolution scans before made him look almost hot pink.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980450)
Posted by no-one on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CDT
Any prices on that big boy yet? Not sure if I can justify him and emop.
Posted by no-one on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CDT
Apparently Takara. I've heard of a glass jaw, but a glass elbow?itscramtastic wrote:I'm definitely getting excited for SIEGE. I'm also pretty pumped with that upscale retool and redeco of Evasion Optimus.
Pretty sure that's what it is.
I mean, who'd leave those elbows ON PURPOSE?!
Any prices on that big boy yet? Not sure if I can justify him and emop.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980454)
Posted by galvatron00 on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:51pm CDT
Who else is guessing $79.99 USD? Pretty standard leader price for a Takara piece. Or, $89.99.
Posted by galvatron00 on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:51pm CDT
I mean, you get me. Clearly.carytheone wrote:Apparently Takara. I've heard of a glass jaw, but a glass elbow?itscramtastic wrote:I'm definitely getting excited for SIEGE. I'm also pretty pumped with that upscale retool and redeco of Evasion Optimus.
Pretty sure that's what it is.
I mean, who'd leave those elbows ON PURPOSE?!
Any prices on that big boy yet? Not sure if I can justify him and emop.
Who else is guessing $79.99 USD? Pretty standard leader price for a Takara piece. Or, $89.99.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980455)
Posted by no-one on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:53pm CDT
I was thinking in the $60-80 range. Definitely an attractive figure.
Posted by no-one on August 24th, 2018 @ 1:53pm CDT
Totesitscramtastic wrote:I mean, you get me. Clearly.
I was thinking in the $60-80 range. Definitely an attractive figure.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980456)
Posted by angtre on August 24th, 2018 @ 2:02pm CDT
Definitely one of my favourites too. Fingers crossed for the likes of Six-Gun, Slammer and Brunt.
Posted by angtre on August 24th, 2018 @ 2:02pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:leokearon wrote:I thought Cog couldn't become Gasket and Grommit
I asked about that at SDCC to the Hasbro team. I misspoke with my question by asking if Cog could transform into the individual robot modes for Gasket and Grommet. As I was asking the question, I was really thinking for some reason that Gasket and Grommet had individual robot modes, when in fact they do not and not sure what I was mixing them up with.
Cog is amazing, by the way. Way to take a BS character and make him awesome.
Definitely one of my favourites too. Fingers crossed for the likes of Six-Gun, Slammer and Brunt.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980464)
Posted by NTESHFT on August 24th, 2018 @ 2:31pm CDT
Posted by NTESHFT on August 24th, 2018 @ 2:31pm CDT
I am looking forward to this line u OP. My wallet will hurt indeed...
What about some color shots of 3.0 prime?...and when will we see more of MP hound?....
What about some color shots of 3.0 prime?...and when will we see more of MP hound?....
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980508)
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2018 @ 7:19pm CDT
Its much less than that, thankfully.
Its 6800 yen
Posted by william-james88 on August 24th, 2018 @ 7:19pm CDT
itscramtastic wrote:I mean, you get me. Clearly.carytheone wrote:Apparently Takara. I've heard of a glass jaw, but a glass elbow?itscramtastic wrote:I'm definitely getting excited for SIEGE. I'm also pretty pumped with that upscale retool and redeco of Evasion Optimus.
Pretty sure that's what it is.
I mean, who'd leave those elbows ON PURPOSE?!
Any prices on that big boy yet? Not sure if I can justify him and emop.
Who else is guessing $79.99 USD? Pretty standard leader price for a Takara piece. Or, $89.99.
Its much less than that, thankfully.
Its 6800 yen
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980513)
Posted by What's Crackin'? on August 24th, 2018 @ 7:43pm CDT
Posted by What's Crackin'? on August 24th, 2018 @ 7:43pm CDT
Am I the only one who really likes these weathering affects? Idk they look pretty neat to me.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980518)
Posted by NTESHFT on August 24th, 2018 @ 8:16pm CDT
I actually like the detail myself too....
Posted by NTESHFT on August 24th, 2018 @ 8:16pm CDT
What's Crackin'? wrote:Am I the only one who really likes these weathering affects? Idk they look pretty neat to me.
I actually like the detail myself too....
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980534)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on August 24th, 2018 @ 11:05pm CDT
Me too they're really nice, just a pinch, like the perfect seasoning. Invisible from some angles.
Posted by SkyFire Prime on August 24th, 2018 @ 11:05pm CDT
NTESHFT wrote:What's Crackin'? wrote:Am I the only one who really likes these weathering affects? Idk they look pretty neat to me.
I actually like the detail myself too....
Me too they're really nice, just a pinch, like the perfect seasoning. Invisible from some angles.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980536)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 25th, 2018 @ 12:12am CDT
Exactly. Less is more with the "battle worn" paint apps. The understated details tell a better story and make a better figure than the over-the-top painted by hand details Hasbro showed off at SDCC. Now, if only they could have shown as much restraint with the "greebling" on some of the figures. Poor Chromia probably got it worst, and Ultra Magnus isn't much better, unfortunately.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 25th, 2018 @ 12:12am CDT
SkyFire Prime wrote:NTESHFT wrote:What's Crackin'? wrote:Am I the only one who really likes these weathering affects? Idk they look pretty neat to me.
I actually like the detail myself too....
Me too they're really nice, just a pinch, like the perfect seasoning. Invisible from some angles.
Exactly. Less is more with the "battle worn" paint apps. The understated details tell a better story and make a better figure than the over-the-top painted by hand details Hasbro showed off at SDCC. Now, if only they could have shown as much restraint with the "greebling" on some of the figures. Poor Chromia probably got it worst, and Ultra Magnus isn't much better, unfortunately.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980629)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on August 25th, 2018 @ 5:08pm CDT
I like the Greebling on Magnus, looks interesting on Cromia. But this a new effort. Let's see how these look in person.
Posted by SkyFire Prime on August 25th, 2018 @ 5:08pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:SkyFire Prime wrote:NTESHFT wrote:What's Crackin'? wrote:Am I the only one who really likes these weathering affects? Idk they look pretty neat to me.
I actually like the detail myself too....
Me too they're really nice, just a pinch, like the perfect seasoning. Invisible from some angles.
Exactly. Less is more with the "battle worn" paint apps. The understated details tell a better story and make a better figure than the over-the-top painted by hand details Hasbro showed off at SDCC. Now, if only they could have shown as much restraint with the "greebling" on some of the figures. Poor Chromia probably got it worst, and Ultra Magnus isn't much better, unfortunately.
I like the Greebling on Magnus, looks interesting on Cromia. But this a new effort. Let's see how these look in person.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1980921)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 27th, 2018 @ 7:52pm CDT
I like them. It's pretty awesome, and helps set this figures apart from others. And it gives me a good old video game WFC/FOC feel
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 27th, 2018 @ 7:52pm CDT
What's Crackin'? wrote:Am I the only one who really likes these weathering affects? Idk they look pretty neat to me.
I like them. It's pretty awesome, and helps set this figures apart from others. And it gives me a good old video game WFC/FOC feel
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986128)
Posted by Va'al on September 26th, 2018 @ 2:54am CDT
Posted by Va'al on September 26th, 2018 @ 2:54am CDT
It's that time of the month again as Loopaza Mega Store over on Facebook provides us with full, hi definition scans of the Japanese hobby publication Figure King Magazine, now on issue #248 - which means we have a full spread of Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege, the Bumblebee Movie toys part of Studio Series (including Legendary Optimus) and the simplified lines, Blue Big Convoy, and more!
You can check out the entire selection below, as Cyberpath shared the images with us to be mirrored, and use the links above to join the conversation on each of the threads related to the topic of your choosing.
You can check out the entire selection below, as Cyberpath shared the images with us to be mirrored, and use the links above to join the conversation on each of the threads related to the topic of your choosing.
Hi-Res Scan Figure King No. 248 Transformers
This month Magazine Figure King cover the first line up of SIEGE. Also there is the confirmation date of the MPM-7 Bumblebee and more.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986150)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2018 @ 8:14am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2018 @ 8:14am CDT
Legends Blue Big Convoy is looking blue-ti-ful!.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986167)
Posted by gothsaurus on September 26th, 2018 @ 10:29am CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on September 26th, 2018 @ 10:29am CDT
Those targetmaster modes are cracking me up. I'm not sure those are good enough to call those Micromasters triple changers, Hasbro/Takara. 
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986172)
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2018 @ 10:54am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2018 @ 10:54am CDT
I am well aware that the MPM has more transformation steps than the SS VW Bumblebee but in in robot mode they really look like an upscale/downscale of oneanother
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986185)
Posted by no-one on September 26th, 2018 @ 12:13pm CDT
How much larger is the MPM anyway?
Posted by no-one on September 26th, 2018 @ 12:13pm CDT
I'm feeling ya there. They look so alike I feel that I only need one or the other. But which one? it'll be the SSwilliam-james88 wrote:I am well aware that the MPM has more transformation steps than the SS VW Bumblebee but in in robot mode they really look like an upscale/downscale of oneanother
How much larger is the MPM anyway?
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986193)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:10pm CDT
This group shot is great! Now we have a solid idea of how these figures will scale with one another. Ultra Magnus is definitely a smaller Leader class figure than what we've been used to in the Prime Wars Trilogy. What I REALLY want to see, though, is how Ironhide looks scaled to everyone else. I hope he's a larger Deluxe figure, bigger than Deluxe Sideswipe by at least a head, but still shorter than Voyager Optimus Prime. Hasbro has been showing off some amazing skill in pushing the size variance within a size class with the Studio Series, so I think it's entirely possible they can do a bit of that magic with the Siege line as well. If Ironhide is no bigger than the standard Deluxe class figure, I might just pass. I'm one of the minority who is actually happy with the Universe 2008 mold as a "Classics Ironhide." Only superior size scaling is going to move me to buy into the Siege version of Ironhide (and subsequently, Ratchet).
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:10pm CDT
Va'al wrote:
This group shot is great! Now we have a solid idea of how these figures will scale with one another. Ultra Magnus is definitely a smaller Leader class figure than what we've been used to in the Prime Wars Trilogy. What I REALLY want to see, though, is how Ironhide looks scaled to everyone else. I hope he's a larger Deluxe figure, bigger than Deluxe Sideswipe by at least a head, but still shorter than Voyager Optimus Prime. Hasbro has been showing off some amazing skill in pushing the size variance within a size class with the Studio Series, so I think it's entirely possible they can do a bit of that magic with the Siege line as well. If Ironhide is no bigger than the standard Deluxe class figure, I might just pass. I'm one of the minority who is actually happy with the Universe 2008 mold as a "Classics Ironhide." Only superior size scaling is going to move me to buy into the Siege version of Ironhide (and subsequently, Ratchet).
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986194)
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:11pm CDT
It will be the SS for me as well. With Hasbro no longer making their MPM boxes trilingual, I can no longer get MPMs as easily and at the right price where i am, plus I am far more forgiving for lack of accuracy for a lower priced figure.
It should be double the size of the SS figure, which I think has reached a new record for tiniest deluxe not called sqweeks.
Posted by william-james88 on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:11pm CDT
carytheone wrote:I'm feeling ya there. They look so alike I feel that I only need one or the other. But which one? it'll be the SSwilliam-james88 wrote:I am well aware that the MPM has more transformation steps than the SS VW Bumblebee but in in robot mode they really look like an upscale/downscale of oneanother
How much larger is the MPM anyway?
It will be the SS for me as well. With Hasbro no longer making their MPM boxes trilingual, I can no longer get MPMs as easily and at the right price where i am, plus I am far more forgiving for lack of accuracy for a lower priced figure.
It should be double the size of the SS figure, which I think has reached a new record for tiniest deluxe not called sqweeks.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986199)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:47pm CDT
Posted by AcademyofDrX on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:47pm CDT
Is there a gold standard for size scales for G1? I would guess the animated series guide is the best one, but it's a much more gradual scale than size classes would easily support. I've been broadly satisfied with Generations, but the board responses tend to be critical in ways I don't really understand.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1986200)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:57pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 26th, 2018 @ 1:57pm CDT
Nope! - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/ScaleAcademyofDrX wrote:Is there a gold standard for size scales for G1?
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990659)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 23rd, 2018 @ 9:17pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 23rd, 2018 @ 9:17pm CDT
Thanks to our monthly source for high-resolution Figure King Magazine scans Loopaza Mega Store on Facebook, we have the newest scans for issue 249, which features the Decepticons of Transformers: Siege, and Legends Big Powered! The new scans give us a great look at the new Siege Shockwave, a figure that has been the topic of many discussions since its reveal.
Interesting to note here is that Shockwave, even with his gun feet, is still around the same height as Megatron, meaning this Leader class Wave is definitely phoning in the size class with the bulk and armor pieces attached to himself. It is satisfying to see that Shockwave still bows to the scale rule set forward by the line, despite the questionable size class choice.
Big Powered is also shown off, though we don't get much more in the way of pictures than we already have.
Check out the scans below, and let us know what you think below and in the Siege thread and Legends thread!
Interesting to note here is that Shockwave, even with his gun feet, is still around the same height as Megatron, meaning this Leader class Wave is definitely phoning in the size class with the bulk and armor pieces attached to himself. It is satisfying to see that Shockwave still bows to the scale rule set forward by the line, despite the questionable size class choice.
Big Powered is also shown off, though we don't get much more in the way of pictures than we already have.
Check out the scans below, and let us know what you think below and in the Siege thread and Legends thread!
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990663)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on October 23rd, 2018 @ 9:40pm CDT
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on October 23rd, 2018 @ 9:40pm CDT
Huh... Looks like even with the shoes that Shockwave is shorter than Megatron... Huh.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990700)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:32am CDT
Posted by SkyFire Prime on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:32am CDT
Is Shockwave supposed to be bigger than Megatron?
Everyone was complaining he was leader sized and too big, now they revealed he's a Voyager with Add-ons and the complaint is he's too small?
Looks fantastic to me thanks Hasbro!
Everyone was complaining he was leader sized and too big, now they revealed he's a Voyager with Add-ons and the complaint is he's too small?
Looks fantastic to me thanks Hasbro!
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990703)
Posted by leokearon on October 24th, 2018 @ 5:51am CDT
In most continuities, they are roughly the same size.
The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.
Posted by leokearon on October 24th, 2018 @ 5:51am CDT
SkyFire Prime wrote:Is Shockwave supposed to be bigger than Megatron?
Everyone was complaining he was leader sized and too big, now they revealed he's a Voyager with Add-ons and the complaint is he's too small?
Looks fantastic to me thanks Hasbro!
In most continuities, they are roughly the same size.
The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990704)
Posted by Big Grim on October 24th, 2018 @ 6:33am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on October 24th, 2018 @ 6:33am CDT
Sky Tread is a must have.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990707)
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:03am CDT
I want that Shockwave in my hands right now (just a couple more months!) and I'll be more than happy to pay $50 for it.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:03am CDT
leokearon wrote:The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.
I want that Shockwave in my hands right now (just a couple more months!) and I'll be more than happy to pay $50 for it.
Emerje
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990709)
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:07am CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:07am CDT
What's going on with Shockwave's shoulder pad thingies? Look how hollow they are.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990713)
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:22am CDT
It's so the extra arms can be moved freely from end to end depending on the configuration.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:22am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:What's going on with Shockwave's shoulder pad thingies? Look how hollow they are.
It's so the extra arms can be moved freely from end to end depending on the configuration.
Emerje
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990721)
Posted by Randomhero on October 24th, 2018 @ 8:21am CDT
Hasbro said they’re following the original scale guide pretty close and Shockwave is shorter than Megatron and Soundwave
Posted by Randomhero on October 24th, 2018 @ 8:21am CDT
leokearon wrote:SkyFire Prime wrote:Is Shockwave supposed to be bigger than Megatron?
Everyone was complaining he was leader sized and too big, now they revealed he's a Voyager with Add-ons and the complaint is he's too small?
Looks fantastic to me thanks Hasbro!
In most continuities, they are roughly the same size.
The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.
Hasbro said they’re following the original scale guide pretty close and Shockwave is shorter than Megatron and Soundwave
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990725)
Posted by Randomhero on October 24th, 2018 @ 8:28am CDT
I agree. I very much hate it people are throwing fits saying they won’t pay $50 for a voyager and he’s not. He’s leader, he’s got extra bits to bulk him up and that’s what this line leader class is. It’s not about height with this line it’s about their gimmick and honestly, they made a Shockwave that turns into his gun mode. The reason he’s a leader with all those extra parts is to make him a ship and hide that which I’m cool with.
Same people who refuse to pay $50 are also the same people who say they’re going to ignore the armor bits and leave them in the box. That’s theyre problem for ignoring what makes it a leader class not hasbros.
Posted by Randomhero on October 24th, 2018 @ 8:28am CDT
Emerje wrote:leokearon wrote:The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.
I want that Shockwave in my hands right now (just a couple more months!) and I'll be more than happy to pay $50 for it.
Emerje
I agree. I very much hate it people are throwing fits saying they won’t pay $50 for a voyager and he’s not. He’s leader, he’s got extra bits to bulk him up and that’s what this line leader class is. It’s not about height with this line it’s about their gimmick and honestly, they made a Shockwave that turns into his gun mode. The reason he’s a leader with all those extra parts is to make him a ship and hide that which I’m cool with.
Same people who refuse to pay $50 are also the same people who say they’re going to ignore the armor bits and leave them in the box. That’s theyre problem for ignoring what makes it a leader class not hasbros.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990733)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 24th, 2018 @ 9:00am CDT
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 24th, 2018 @ 9:00am CDT
A simpler way to think of this is, I would rather pay $30 for just the base figure that $50 for the figure as released. I think that's a valid criticism.
It's a great figure, I'm going to drop the $50, and I think the dual blaster boots at least will make for good add-on weapons. I'm not surprised that others are talking, though.
It's a great figure, I'm going to drop the $50, and I think the dual blaster boots at least will make for good add-on weapons. I'm not surprised that others are talking, though.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990734)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 24th, 2018 @ 9:18am CDT
Thank you!!!
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 24th, 2018 @ 9:18am CDT
Emerje wrote:leokearon wrote:The problem for me is this proves WFC Shockwave is a ripoff, they are expecting people to pay Leader Class money for a Voyager.
I want that Shockwave in my hands right now (just a couple more months!) and I'll be more than happy to pay $50 for it.
Emerje
Thank you!!!
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990735)
Posted by Randomhero on October 24th, 2018 @ 9:27am CDT
They probably wanted to but figured “no it looks too much like a gun we won’t be able to get away with that”
Hasbro will never confirm that. Just like they wouldn’t do that with sixshot. The whole point of this line is they’re trying to be as faithful as they can. Obviously megatron can’t be a gun upside down but with shockwave, you turn throw a bunch of junk on him and turn him upside down and say he’s a space ship. This entire line is fan service and I’m willing to bet they wanted him to be a straight voyager but people at hasbro said “no we won’t get that thing passed gun toy safety laws”
This is the best they could do to make a faithful Shockwave and I love it.
Posted by Randomhero on October 24th, 2018 @ 9:27am CDT
AcademyofDrX wrote:A simpler way to think of this is, I would rather pay $30 for just the base figure that $50 for the figure as released. I think that's a valid criticism.
It's a great figure, I'm going to drop the $50, and I think the dual blaster boots at least will make for good add-on weapons. I'm not surprised that others are talking, though.
They probably wanted to but figured “no it looks too much like a gun we won’t be able to get away with that”
Hasbro will never confirm that. Just like they wouldn’t do that with sixshot. The whole point of this line is they’re trying to be as faithful as they can. Obviously megatron can’t be a gun upside down but with shockwave, you turn throw a bunch of junk on him and turn him upside down and say he’s a space ship. This entire line is fan service and I’m willing to bet they wanted him to be a straight voyager but people at hasbro said “no we won’t get that thing passed gun toy safety laws”
This is the best they could do to make a faithful Shockwave and I love it.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990839)
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:08pm CDT
You're right, that is a valid criticism. Where I take exception is people saying we're being ripped off and the insinuation that people are fools for paying $50 for a "Voyager". It isn't a rip off, you're getting your money's worth and the extra parts are very appropriate to the character. What's with the lack of imagination? People act like he's been covered in a bunch of red monster parts. Where some people see a ripoff I see a lot of extra value. I probably wont configure him in the default layout, though, I prefer the alternate layout more.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:08pm CDT
AcademyofDrX wrote:A simpler way to think of this is, I would rather pay $30 for just the base figure that $50 for the figure as released. I think that's a valid criticism.
You're right, that is a valid criticism. Where I take exception is people saying we're being ripped off and the insinuation that people are fools for paying $50 for a "Voyager". It isn't a rip off, you're getting your money's worth and the extra parts are very appropriate to the character. What's with the lack of imagination? People act like he's been covered in a bunch of red monster parts. Where some people see a ripoff I see a lot of extra value. I probably wont configure him in the default layout, though, I prefer the alternate layout more.
Emerje
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990841)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:17pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:17pm CDT
Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990843)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:31pm CDT
I think the difference is in precedence. Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus all have established alternate, smaller identities when they aren't either all "armored up" or "Primed" by the Matrix of Leadership. Shockwave was always just the base figure without the extra pieces tacked on. People who just want traditional Shockwave feel they have no use for the extra armor pieces, but will have to buy them anyway to get their ideal Shockwave. On the other hand, people complaining that Siege has too much G1 influence and should be more innovative should love the idea of a "powered up" version of Shockwave that they can customize with various additional parts.
A good counterpoint, though, to those that feel Shockwave's extra armor bits are "useless" and need to be relegated to the storage bin (or trash can), is that the entire line Deluxe through Leader class is engineered to be beefed up with various parts from the Deluxe Weaponizers. Think of Shockwave as coming with his own set of "Weaponizer" parts that can be mixed and matched on any other figure you want. Admittedly, they're obviously "Shockwave" themed parts, but they wouldn't look out of place on most of the Decepticon crew.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:31pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?
I think the difference is in precedence. Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus all have established alternate, smaller identities when they aren't either all "armored up" or "Primed" by the Matrix of Leadership. Shockwave was always just the base figure without the extra pieces tacked on. People who just want traditional Shockwave feel they have no use for the extra armor pieces, but will have to buy them anyway to get their ideal Shockwave. On the other hand, people complaining that Siege has too much G1 influence and should be more innovative should love the idea of a "powered up" version of Shockwave that they can customize with various additional parts.
A good counterpoint, though, to those that feel Shockwave's extra armor bits are "useless" and need to be relegated to the storage bin (or trash can), is that the entire line Deluxe through Leader class is engineered to be beefed up with various parts from the Deluxe Weaponizers. Think of Shockwave as coming with his own set of "Weaponizer" parts that can be mixed and matched on any other figure you want. Admittedly, they're obviously "Shockwave" themed parts, but they wouldn't look out of place on most of the Decepticon crew.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990844)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:38pm CDT
I figured precedence was a factor. Would that still stand had Shockwave won that Prime poll (unlikely as it was)?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2018 @ 4:38pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?
I think the difference is in precedence. Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus all have established alternate, smaller identities when they aren't either all "armored up" or "Primed" by the Matrix of Leadership. Shockwave was always just the base figure without the extra pieces tacked on. People who just want traditional Shockwave feel they have no use for the extra armor pieces, but will have to buy them anyway to get their ideal Shockwave. On the other hand, people complaining that Siege has too much G1 influence and should be more innovative should love the idea of a "powered up" version of Shockwave that they can customize with various additional parts.
A good counterpoint, though, to those that feel Shockwave's extra armor bits are "useless" and need to be relegated to the storage bin (or trash can), is that the entire line Deluxe through Leader class is engineered to be beefed up with various parts from the Deluxe Weaponizers. Think of Shockwave as coming with his own set of "Weaponizer" parts that can be mixed and matched on any other figure you want. Admittedly, they're obviously "Shockwave" themed parts, but they wouldn't look out of place on most of the Decepticon crew.
I figured precedence was a factor. Would that still stand had Shockwave won that Prime poll (unlikely as it was)?
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990881)
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:03pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 24th, 2018 @ 7:03pm CDT
On a strictly personal note, I'm disappointed we don't have a Leader size Shockwave because I had all the other first year Decepticons in Leader size. Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp. Plus the Legends sized Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw were properly scaled (they went inside Soundwave after all). Even the upcoming Deluxe sized Reflector would've scaled with them.
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Posted by william-james88 on October 25th, 2018 @ 11:10am CDT
I disagree on precedence. Its more than that and more "in your face". Its how the product is presented to us and how we perceive value. You said it yourself, fans are buying Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime, all leader class/sized figures. They are not buying Orion Pax feat armour, small white prime feat armour or Hot rod feat armour. They are buying leader sized characters.
But with Shockwave, you are buying a voyager sized shockwave plus armour. What is presentd to you is a voyager sized transformer with a bunch of accessories. So its a very very different case than any of the previous leaders.
The best example this could be compared to is Sqweeks who is much smaller than any deluxe and comes with lots of accessories to make up for it (which ca either be used seperate or become a battle pack). And if we wonder why that went over well, its because this was a new character, a much lower price point and it did not seem random. There was order to it all.
And in reply to those saying the armour is included to make it look less like a gun, that is wrong since:
- The figure is still something on its own and will show so on the instructions
- the spaceship with bits doesnt look anyless of an upside dwn space gun than shockwave alone does
- the upside down not gun thing was first done with sixshot, anotehr elader figure who had no extra parts to "conceal" anything
Hasbro needed another bot for the leader price point but also wanted to stick to scale so they gave us a voyager sized shockwave with a bunch of accessories to customize the Decepticon mad scientist as we wish. Thats all there is to it.
Posted by william-james88 on October 25th, 2018 @ 11:10am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Counterpoint: What separates Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime, PotP Optimus Prime from Siege Shockwave even though they all use the same figure + trailer armor gimmick?
I think the difference is in precedence. Ultra Magnus, Optimus Prime, and Ultra Magnus all have established alternate, smaller identities when they aren't either all "armored up" or "Primed" by the Matrix of Leadership.
I figured precedence was a factor. Would that still stand had Shockwave won that Prime poll (unlikely as it was)?
I disagree on precedence. Its more than that and more "in your face". Its how the product is presented to us and how we perceive value. You said it yourself, fans are buying Ultra Magnus, Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime, all leader class/sized figures. They are not buying Orion Pax feat armour, small white prime feat armour or Hot rod feat armour. They are buying leader sized characters.
But with Shockwave, you are buying a voyager sized shockwave plus armour. What is presentd to you is a voyager sized transformer with a bunch of accessories. So its a very very different case than any of the previous leaders.
The best example this could be compared to is Sqweeks who is much smaller than any deluxe and comes with lots of accessories to make up for it (which ca either be used seperate or become a battle pack). And if we wonder why that went over well, its because this was a new character, a much lower price point and it did not seem random. There was order to it all.
And in reply to those saying the armour is included to make it look less like a gun, that is wrong since:
- The figure is still something on its own and will show so on the instructions
- the spaceship with bits doesnt look anyless of an upside dwn space gun than shockwave alone does
- the upside down not gun thing was first done with sixshot, anotehr elader figure who had no extra parts to "conceal" anything
Hasbro needed another bot for the leader price point but also wanted to stick to scale so they gave us a voyager sized shockwave with a bunch of accessories to customize the Decepticon mad scientist as we wish. Thats all there is to it.
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990982)
Posted by ToastBucket on October 25th, 2018 @ 11:17am CDT
Posted by ToastBucket on October 25th, 2018 @ 11:17am CDT
Looks like shockwave has caught a case of "submarine mode syndrome" 
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1990998)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 25th, 2018 @ 11:53am CDT
It's definitely not the same thing, but maybe the Cyberverse Ultra class Shockwave will fill that role?
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 25th, 2018 @ 11:53am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:On a strictly personal note, I'm disappointed we don't have a Leader size Shockwave because I had all the other first year Decepticons in Leader size. Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp. Plus the Legends sized Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw were properly scaled (they went inside Soundwave after all). Even the upcoming Deluxe sized Reflector would've scaled with them.
It's definitely not the same thing, but maybe the Cyberverse Ultra class Shockwave will fill that role?
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Posted by william-james88 on October 25th, 2018 @ 12:23pm CDT
That would not work, that cyberverse toy is just voyager scale, would probably be as big as this Seige toy (with no accessories)
Posted by william-james88 on October 25th, 2018 @ 12:23pm CDT
AcademyofDrX wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:On a strictly personal note, I'm disappointed we don't have a Leader size Shockwave because I had all the other first year Decepticons in Leader size. Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp. Plus the Legends sized Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw were properly scaled (they went inside Soundwave after all). Even the upcoming Deluxe sized Reflector would've scaled with them.
It's definitely not the same thing, but maybe the Cyberverse Ultra class Shockwave will fill that role?
That would not work, that cyberverse toy is just voyager scale, would probably be as big as this Seige toy (with no accessories)
Re: Hi Res Scans of Figure King Magazine 247 With Legendary Optimus, Siege, MP Optimus V3 and More (1991016)
Posted by Emerje on October 25th, 2018 @ 1:43pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 25th, 2018 @ 1:43pm CDT
I think it's impossible to make everyone happy with Leader class in Siege. Once people have Ultra Magnus in hand and realize he's only slightly taller than a Voyager fully armored they'll be a little more accepting of Shockwave being a Voyager with extra armor. I think we need to reset our expectations for what Leader class means in War for Cybertron now that bot mode scale is a big selling price for the line. We have expectations that Leader class will always mean big figures, but with WfC Leader class could be a Voyager-sized Roadbuster or Whirl with a bunch of extra armor and weapons. The third Leader mold in Siege could quite literally be anything.
Emerje
Emerje
