Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM?
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Are they in or are they out? Since early on in production Michael Bay's camp has insisted that Skids and Mudflap would not be appearing in Transformers DOTM. That seemed to be debunked when a pair of Skids and Mudflap inspired Chevy Sparks were spotted during filming.
The discovery of a brand new mold Deluxe Skids for the upcoming DOTM toy line seemed to bolster the idea that they would be returning to the third film.
Site admin nelson of Michael Bay's Shoot for the Edit forums begs to differ. In fact he is quite adamant that they have been cut from the film.
As we all know Michael Bay likes misinformation campaigns. Are the twins in or out? Join the discussion in the Energon Pub!
The discovery of a brand new mold Deluxe Skids for the upcoming DOTM toy line seemed to bolster the idea that they would be returning to the third film.
Site admin nelson of Michael Bay's Shoot for the Edit forums begs to differ. In fact he is quite adamant that they have been cut from the film.
Being a toy doesn't guarantee a place in the movie. In fact, being filmed doesn't guarantee being in the final cut.
I never said those cars weren't filmed. I just said they're not in the final film. Period.
As we all know Michael Bay likes misinformation campaigns. Are the twins in or out? Join the discussion in the Energon Pub!
Credit(s): Site admin nelson of Shoot for the Edit, Lousy_Autobot_Lover
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Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187840)
Posted by MegatronPrime on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:29am CST
Posted by MegatronPrime on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:29am CST
I'm gonna be honest - I really wished the twins weren't in ROTM that was my only gripe about the film...that and Devastators balls.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187844)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:43am CST
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:43am CST
I'm probably one of the few who don't actually hate the twins, so it doesn't bother me one way the another. I'm more bothered by the fact that Leo and his bad acting is back.
The toys don't really give any hints at all, because tons of ROTF fig that made it as toys were never seen in the film. Then again, those characters like Breakaway never went beyond the character design concept stage, whereas the twins' alt modes were seen quite a few times on set.
But if I have to make a guess, I'd say the twins likely to be in the film. I can't really say why, but Bay's a particularly mischievous person [read: over-aged fratboy] who likes to pull one over your eyes as a prank, and he openly admits to this in the DVD commentary of the 2007 movie.
Besides, they'd probably just hover around in the background much like Jolt did in ROTF, as many have already proposed.
The toys don't really give any hints at all, because tons of ROTF fig that made it as toys were never seen in the film. Then again, those characters like Breakaway never went beyond the character design concept stage, whereas the twins' alt modes were seen quite a few times on set.
But if I have to make a guess, I'd say the twins likely to be in the film. I can't really say why, but Bay's a particularly mischievous person [read: over-aged fratboy] who likes to pull one over your eyes as a prank, and he openly admits to this in the DVD commentary of the 2007 movie.
Besides, they'd probably just hover around in the background much like Jolt did in ROTF, as many have already proposed.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187845)
Posted by Pr1meSuspect on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:44am CST
Posted by Pr1meSuspect on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:44am CST
Oh no, the twins won't be in the movie... I'm devastated, they had such a great plot to them, and great character development, not to mention they were the most intelligent autobots and were clearly the stars of Revenge of the Fallen.
If you havn't guessed yet, I'm being totally sarcastic XD and the only reason why i actually care if they are in the movie or not is just to prevent those "racist" "stereotypical" characters they were most likely intentionally portrayed as by the director himself.
And besides......... The whole reason they were probably in the movie was because they were Bay's Frankenstein-creation of comedic-relief.
If you havn't guessed yet, I'm being totally sarcastic XD and the only reason why i actually care if they are in the movie or not is just to prevent those "racist" "stereotypical" characters they were most likely intentionally portrayed as by the director himself.
And besides......... The whole reason they were probably in the movie was because they were Bay's Frankenstein-creation of comedic-relief.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187846)
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:52am CST
I agree. While I'm way past my teenage years, I'm not adverse to crass jokes when they're funny; the ones in ROTF were NOT funny [to me, at least], just distasteful.
Wheelie's leg-humping did make me laugh a little, but it did make me wonder about the logic of a bot with no discernible genitalia being sexually attracted to a human female. Sure Megan's hot, but that's kinda pushing it.
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:52am CST
MQ-9 Reaper wrote:I'm tired of it. I won't know what to believe until I see footage of the twins in a new trailer or I DON'T. I personally didn't want them back; I hated all of the humour in the second movie as it was very juvenile and made me uncomfortable when I was watching it with my family. I've never seen a more blatant stereotype than the Twins (especially aesthetically), and I just wish someone would run Wheelie over. Obviously the humour was supposed to appeal to a certain demographic - I'm 16, and I just felt offended, as if I was supposed to laugh at it just because I'm a 'young person'. ALL directors do this: once they realize that people are going to see the movie pretty much no matter what, they'll put whatever they want in there. I was greatly hoping that the Twins and Wheelie would be absent from this movie, but hey, its not about what WE want.
I agree. While I'm way past my teenage years, I'm not adverse to crass jokes when they're funny; the ones in ROTF were NOT funny [to me, at least], just distasteful.
Wheelie's leg-humping did make me laugh a little, but it did make me wonder about the logic of a bot with no discernible genitalia being sexually attracted to a human female. Sure Megan's hot, but that's kinda pushing it.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187848)
Posted by Softimus Prime on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:05am CST
Posted by Softimus Prime on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:05am CST
I am apprehensive. Blackout died in the first movie but a virtual clone came back for the second and many other decepticons were reused for multiple nameless characters. Even if the twins are not in the movie by name or have no speaking roles I have a feeling we will see them -or lookalikes- in the background as a cost saving measure for filling autobot ranks.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187851)
Posted by Jazz-1982 on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:57am CST
Posted by Jazz-1982 on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:57am CST
And not one person will be sad to seem them go.
But I still think they'll maybe make the final cut as canon fodder for Shockwave or another of the main Decepticons in a single scene or something. Like George Lucas did in Episode II with Jar Jar Binks - just had him in one scene for a minute, only this time maybe we'll be lucky and see the twins get smoked.
In a perfect world they'd bump into Devastator again and get eaten like should have happened in ROTF.
But I still think they'll maybe make the final cut as canon fodder for Shockwave or another of the main Decepticons in a single scene or something. Like George Lucas did in Episode II with Jar Jar Binks - just had him in one scene for a minute, only this time maybe we'll be lucky and see the twins get smoked.
In a perfect world they'd bump into Devastator again and get eaten like should have happened in ROTF.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187855)
Posted by agentk9 on February 27th, 2011 @ 5:52am CST
Posted by agentk9 on February 27th, 2011 @ 5:52am CST
doh well... who really knows? they may be in and they may be out. we saw pix of megan fox on the set too, and we know how that turned out.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187859)
Posted by Red 50 on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:03am CST
Posted by Red 50 on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:03am CST
Aww, well that's just bummer.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187873)
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:44am CST
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:44am CST
If Bay wants to live, he will have the twins in the movie. 
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187876)
Posted by esclavo on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:48am CST
Posted by esclavo on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:48am CST
I remember being so excited about the first movie. Even though, I hated the designs, I still went to see it. I was very disappointed, but hopeful that the second one would make things better. After all, Jetfire was going to be in it and so would Sideswipe. And Devastator too. Then, the unimaginable happened. The worst characters since Jar-Jar Binks appeared on screen. Yeah! I'm talking about the darn twins. And now, they're saying that they won't be in the final cut, and yet we see the vehicles and toys. I don't care if they're in the movie or not, I'm waiting for this one to come out in DVD! 
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187879)
Posted by Giant Purple Griffin on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:56am CST
Posted by Giant Purple Griffin on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:56am CST
They said Megatron would not be in the RotF then changed and said only in flashbacks and we all knew how that turned out.
I could see it going either way. Personally, I hope they are in it briefly for continuity's sake--having them get brutally slagged by a 'con early on would probably help the 'cons get some "heat" back too, to borrow a pro wrestling term.
I could see it going either way. Personally, I hope they are in it briefly for continuity's sake--having them get brutally slagged by a 'con early on would probably help the 'cons get some "heat" back too, to borrow a pro wrestling term.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187885)
Posted by amtm on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:32am CST
Posted by amtm on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:32am CST
I'm indifferent. I don't really see much point in speculating one way or the other because the bottom line is there's no way to know for sure until we see the final cut. Even if a decision has been made, it could just as easily be reversed.
Anyway ROTF was so bad that a few attempts to distance DOTM from it might be in order, though I'm not really convinced there will be any significant improvement. The DOTM trailer with the big fly-in Optimus battle scene sure smacks of the ROTF desert finale, with tons of bots and things exploding but nothing worthwhile happening. (You know, like "plot"--facts, details, condense, tell it! Too bad they didn't take their own advice.)
And I really did hate the twins' faces, even more than I still hate Bumblebee's face when he's not wearing his mask (and why does his mask have eyelash-like eye covers when they could just be full black glass?) and about the same as almost all the Decepticon faces. I keep HA Mudflap's face turned around to the Battle Mask side so it's less appalling. The only thing the Twins had going for them was they actually got (comparatively) a lot of dialogue and screentime in the movie, which was mainly a weak attempt at comic relief, but gave them far more personality than almost any other bot in the movies had. Oddly they're also the only two bots that also showed something of a personal robot relationship.
Anyway ROTF was so bad that a few attempts to distance DOTM from it might be in order, though I'm not really convinced there will be any significant improvement. The DOTM trailer with the big fly-in Optimus battle scene sure smacks of the ROTF desert finale, with tons of bots and things exploding but nothing worthwhile happening. (You know, like "plot"--facts, details, condense, tell it! Too bad they didn't take their own advice.)
And I really did hate the twins' faces, even more than I still hate Bumblebee's face when he's not wearing his mask (and why does his mask have eyelash-like eye covers when they could just be full black glass?) and about the same as almost all the Decepticon faces. I keep HA Mudflap's face turned around to the Battle Mask side so it's less appalling. The only thing the Twins had going for them was they actually got (comparatively) a lot of dialogue and screentime in the movie, which was mainly a weak attempt at comic relief, but gave them far more personality than almost any other bot in the movies had. Oddly they're also the only two bots that also showed something of a personal robot relationship.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187887)
Posted by Blackstreak on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:40am CST
Posted by Blackstreak on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:40am CST
I realize a majority of people didn't care for the twins but to me they were not horrid characters in ROTF. There's no shame in having them in DOTM. Not sure why they would have the vehicles on filming sites and say they're not the in the final cut of the film. It would be better to say they are in the film and hide other characters.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187888)
Posted by prowl123 on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:45am CST
Well, then Johnny'd better get his gun.
If Bay wants to live those two cars had better have the Twins' colors by coincidence.
Posted by prowl123 on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:45am CST
Mindmaster wrote:If Bay wants to live, he will have the twins in the movie.
Well, then Johnny'd better get his gun.
If Bay wants to live those two cars had better have the Twins' colors by coincidence.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187889)
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:49am CST
-As Bay at the premiere- Now, if you happen to see a pair of cars who happen to look like Skids and Mudflap, they're not. They're actually Spongebob and Patrick in disguise.
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:49am CST
prowl123 wrote:Mindmaster wrote:If Bay wants to live, he will have the twins in the movie.
Well, then Johnny'd better get his gun.
If Bay wants to live those two cars had better have the Twins' colors by coincidence.
-As Bay at the premiere- Now, if you happen to see a pair of cars who happen to look like Skids and Mudflap, they're not. They're actually Spongebob and Patrick in disguise.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187890)
Posted by Heavy B on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:53am CST
Posted by Heavy B on February 27th, 2011 @ 7:53am CST
its possible that they have toys but arn't in the movie. loomk at ROTF baricade and jazz. hell jazz was in the friggin game
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187905)
Posted by Shockwave7 on February 27th, 2011 @ 9:49am CST
Posted by Shockwave7 on February 27th, 2011 @ 9:49am CST
Who cares if they make it in or not? I'd just as soon not. If I never see another Skids or Mudflap figure on the shelf in stores, it'll be too soon for me. Thing is, with a cooler head sculpt, these figures would have been OK. But no, they had to make them look like Looney Toon characters with bug eyes are buck teeth. Great call, Bay. /sarc
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187906)
Posted by Aximalli_Prime on February 27th, 2011 @ 9:50am CST
Posted by Aximalli_Prime on February 27th, 2011 @ 9:50am CST
I'm not really sure what to believe right now. I'm just gonna wait for the movie to come out and then we'll know for sure.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187914)
Posted by OlivusPrime on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:13am CST
Agreed. Directors in general, not just Michael Bay (although he doesn't help himself), use stuff that they think will sell. Bay doesn't think that teenagers and adults are going to go and see a film about transforming aliens based on toys, so he tries to make it appealing, with cars, "hot" girls and, in the second film, excessive toilet humour. I guess he assumes that that's what will sell to present day teenagers. Heck, it's like that with the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies - I saw the first one and it was terrible, ruined all of the saturday mornings of the original cartoon when I was a kid. But teenagers around me liked it (I wont go into name-calling and generalisations), because it was stupid, heartless "humour" that other teenagers seem to find funny. So I think that's the logic behind the testicle-bearing, leg-humping ROTF mess. He appears to have learnt from it though, so perhaps DOTM will be a bit better.
Anyway! I don't mind if the twins are in or out of this movie - so long as they don't get such a big role. The toys may be being made because their toys were relatively popular first time round (although Mudflap was a shelfwarmer, but we haven't seen any Deluxe toy yet). And as for the replacement buddies, maybe the Wreckers? I hate to admit it but remember that Bill Fagerbake is voicing one of them.
Posted by OlivusPrime on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:13am CST
OptiMagnus10 wrote:MQ-9 Reaper wrote:I'm tired of it. I won't know what to believe until I see footage of the twins in a new trailer or I DON'T. I personally didn't want them back; I hated all of the humour in the second movie as it was very juvenile and made me uncomfortable when I was watching it with my family. I've never seen a more blatant stereotype than the Twins (especially aesthetically), and I just wish someone would run Wheelie over. Obviously the humour was supposed to appeal to a certain demographic - I'm 16, and I just felt offended, as if I was supposed to laugh at it just because I'm a 'young person'. ALL directors do this: once they realize that people are going to see the movie pretty much no matter what, they'll put whatever they want in there. I was greatly hoping that the Twins and Wheelie would be absent from this movie, but hey, its not about what WE want.
Well, it seems we have something in common here. We're both 16 and hate toilet humour. But I actually liked the Twins. I think they're stereotyped, but not racist. I thought of them as "gangsta". To be honest, I know white guys that talk and act like them and black guys that don't- so I can't personally find racism. The Wheelie humping and all the sexual references could've been done away with, but hey, it is what it is. It doesn't effect the film the slightest bit for me. And yes, directors will do whatever they want. It's THEIR movie. THEY'RE the director of it. It's not about what we want. It's what they think will sell. Unfortunately, these moviemakers have an impression that this toilet humor sells to young people. And, with the people that surround me every day, I see where they get that impression. We must also understand that Michael Bay isn't some dictator that specifies exactly how absolutely everything will go. He has writers, too, along with a myriad of other roles that come up with their own ideas.
Agreed. Directors in general, not just Michael Bay (although he doesn't help himself), use stuff that they think will sell. Bay doesn't think that teenagers and adults are going to go and see a film about transforming aliens based on toys, so he tries to make it appealing, with cars, "hot" girls and, in the second film, excessive toilet humour. I guess he assumes that that's what will sell to present day teenagers. Heck, it's like that with the Alvin and the Chipmunks movies - I saw the first one and it was terrible, ruined all of the saturday mornings of the original cartoon when I was a kid. But teenagers around me liked it (I wont go into name-calling and generalisations), because it was stupid, heartless "humour" that other teenagers seem to find funny. So I think that's the logic behind the testicle-bearing, leg-humping ROTF mess. He appears to have learnt from it though, so perhaps DOTM will be a bit better.
Anyway! I don't mind if the twins are in or out of this movie - so long as they don't get such a big role. The toys may be being made because their toys were relatively popular first time round (although Mudflap was a shelfwarmer, but we haven't seen any Deluxe toy yet). And as for the replacement buddies, maybe the Wreckers? I hate to admit it but remember that Bill Fagerbake is voicing one of them.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187916)
Posted by Bounti76 on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:16am CST
Posted by Bounti76 on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:16am CST
Well, we were also told Wheelie WAS returning for the film and haven't had any sightings of either a toy OR an alt-mode on set to confirm that. Personally, I don't care one way or the other if they're in the movie, the only thing that will annoy me is if they're still as juvenile as before. Or if their toys are the same shelfwarmers Tuner Mudflap is 
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187920)
Posted by Godzillabot Primal on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:24am CST
Posted by Godzillabot Primal on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:24am CST
As they say in the lost skeleton of cadavra, oh well, I absolutely hated the twins so this does not bother me a bit, so I noticed in the background that there is a smart car, I remember when they were filming in the windy city there was a scene with it, so I wondering what character it is: reflector, wheelie with an upgrade, OP’s roller, the roller from the packaging of the ark, hmmm I wonder………… I also wonder
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187921)
Posted by Noideaforaname on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:26am CST
Posted by Noideaforaname on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:26am CST
After all those "the Twins are racist" flamewars after RotF, I am STUNNED to read:
I'm apprehensive on what such a late (possibly major) cut would do for the film and toyline.
Mindmaster wrote:If Bay wants to live, he will have the twins in the movie.
I'm apprehensive on what such a late (possibly major) cut would do for the film and toyline.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187922)
Posted by T-Macksimus on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:30am CST
Guess i'm a moron then.[/quote
I'm right there with you Burn and I don't know about you, but I didn't even bother reading any further in the posts because the level of blatant ignorance and short-sightedness was just so astounding that it was starting to give me a headache.
Are any of the rest of you capable of reading AND understanding the content of what you've read and the context in which it is presented???
You know, I used to apply the saying "Hope for the best but prepare for the worst" when it comes to dealing with Bay's take on the Transformers but now I have to apply that mindset when dealing with fellow Transformer fans!!
There are still a few folks on here (thankfully) that I can rely on to stay level headed and that actually show a high level of cognitive ability but Sweet Primus some of you folks...
Posted by T-Macksimus on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:30am CST
Burn wrote:Slashercon wrote:Only a moron would believe this guy. We've already seen the twins on set, heck we've seen DOTM Skids toys in movie colors!!Burn wrote:Nelson wrote:"I never said those cars weren't filmed. I just said they're not in the final film. Period."
The cars were on set.
The cars were filmed.
The footage will not be used - meaning the Skids and Mudflap didn't make the final cut.
As for toys being out there, obviously Skids and Mudflap were intended to be in the movie, Hasbro then developed figures for them, but they've since been cut.
Guess i'm a moron then.[/quote
I'm right there with you Burn and I don't know about you, but I didn't even bother reading any further in the posts because the level of blatant ignorance and short-sightedness was just so astounding that it was starting to give me a headache.
Are any of the rest of you capable of reading AND understanding the content of what you've read and the context in which it is presented???
You know, I used to apply the saying "Hope for the best but prepare for the worst" when it comes to dealing with Bay's take on the Transformers but now I have to apply that mindset when dealing with fellow Transformer fans!!
There are still a few folks on here (thankfully) that I can rely on to stay level headed and that actually show a high level of cognitive ability but Sweet Primus some of you folks...
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187933)
Posted by Trikeboy on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:46am CST
Posted by Trikeboy on February 27th, 2011 @ 10:46am CST
It seems a lot to prepare the cars, film them and then just cut them out. There was footage showing the cars in action I believe but things do get cut out from movies. How about the footage from Revenge of the Sith where Anakin and Obi-Wan travel throught the fuel deck of General Grevious' ship at the start of the movie? That was filmed, Obi-Wan and Anakin are visibly wet after but nothing appeared in the movie.
Personally, I do hope they are in the movie, I want them to get blasted and killed off straight away by Shockwave. Killing an existing character in that way will really ramp up the danger the audience will get from Shockwave.
Personally, I do hope they are in the movie, I want them to get blasted and killed off straight away by Shockwave. Killing an existing character in that way will really ramp up the danger the audience will get from Shockwave.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187960)
Posted by Rated X on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:30am CST
Posted by Rated X on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:30am CST
As dumb as they were, I actually wanna see them. Everybody was crying racist the way they were portrayed in ROTF. But if they had been given hick accents, metal cowboy hats, and were jamming to Garth Brooks, nobody would have complained. How come nobody ever accused the G1 cartoon makers of Jazz and Blaster being racist ???
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187962)
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:33am CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:33am CST
I could care less if there in or not
they don't really do it for me
if they wanted to use twin autobots
they should have used sideswipe and sunstreaker
not those two comical relief idiots
they don't really do it for me
if they wanted to use twin autobots
they should have used sideswipe and sunstreaker
not those two comical relief idiots
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187973)
Posted by xtsaur on February 27th, 2011 @ 12:04pm CST
Posted by xtsaur on February 27th, 2011 @ 12:04pm CST
i certainly hope not... i hate plot holes. Where did Barricade go? that stuff always bothers me. even if you have do diminish them to the back ground at least show them as still arround. like if Jolt just vanishes and isnt in this 3rd movie it will be really dumb.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1187982)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 27th, 2011 @ 12:11pm CST
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 27th, 2011 @ 12:11pm CST
i dont think they can just be cut out of the film outright, they need to die so theres no plot holes, the cars were on set so it would've been a waste, and we just need to see them die. Either way if they arent in the film we better not see any more toys of them, getting sick of seeing every peg filled with them.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188023)
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:22pm CST
Posted by Genocide G2.0 on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:22pm CST
Look im a movie lover i had no bother with the twins i bought there figures BUT! it is the last movie(for a good while anyway)SO make room for more exciting spot light and background characters,So i say they should be seen and not herd for this one if seen at all,Well at least killed off..
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188029)
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:41pm CST
Jeez, everyone's harsh on the twins 'cept me!
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:41pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:I could care less if there in or not
they don't really do it for me
if they wanted to use twin autobots
they should have used sideswipe and sunstreaker
not those two comical relief idiots
Jeez, everyone's harsh on the twins 'cept me!
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188030)
Posted by Just Negare on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:44pm CST
Posted by Just Negare on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:44pm CST
If they are in the movie, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll be offlined in the first few minutes.
That would make my damn day.
That would make my damn day.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188034)
Posted by Slashercon on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:48pm CST
Posted by Slashercon on February 27th, 2011 @ 1:48pm CST
I might be the only one to say this but, I actually want the Twins in the movie. If they get cut out, how will they explain this in the story!! That's my main concern. Same thing with Jolt. He was there (barely) and now he's gone? Just stupid.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188059)
Posted by Burn on February 27th, 2011 @ 2:43pm CST
Both of you, these sorts of posts are not welcome on this site. Bay didn't appreciate the death threats when the first movie came out, and Seibertron.com is not going to be a breeding ground for such threats whether you mean them or not.
Posted by Burn on February 27th, 2011 @ 2:43pm CST
Mindmaster wrote:If Bay wants to live, he will have the twins in the movie.
prowl123 wrote:Well, then Johnny'd better get his gun.
If Bay wants to live those two cars had better have the Twins' colors by coincidence.
Both of you, these sorts of posts are not welcome on this site. Bay didn't appreciate the death threats when the first movie came out, and Seibertron.com is not going to be a breeding ground for such threats whether you mean them or not.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188090)
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:52pm CST
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2011 @ 3:52pm CST
Hmm... Its apparent that many here don't understand how filming works. Many times scripts are made, but are made with variations. What might sound good to the ear, or look good on paper doesn't turn out as well as the director/producers hoped on film. Many reasons can account for this. Time, money, relevance to the story etc. The fact that they were present during filming doesn't automatically constitute them being in the final cut. Its perfectly plausible they had intentions of them being in, but were cut out on the editing room floor.
As far as toys goes, the fact that we have toys means nothing. Most of the toys we've received from the movie lines never were in either films. So that point in moot. Also, Nelson is really putting himself out on this one. If he in fact is wrong, his credibility will be shot. So I'm thinking that he's pretty sure what he's talking about. we'll see for sure come July 1rst.
On a side note..
All those that continue to insist that the twins were a "racial stereo type" or any kind of stereo type.. Really, and i mean really think about what your saying. These were not humans. They were green and orange robots. If you truly felt them as any kind of stereo type then i would go as far as saying that you, THE FANS are the ones that are doing the stereo typing Your the ones making that connection. not Micheal Bay. Not Hasbro. You! It almost seems that some are just jumping on the band wagon with this racial/stereo type crap as an excuse to get them out because your pissed that they were some of the ones that had the most screen time and character development. And yes, they did have character development. If they didn't, we would be having this conversation, let alone thread 6 pages deep discussing whether or not they will be appearing in the 3rd movie.
As far as toys goes, the fact that we have toys means nothing. Most of the toys we've received from the movie lines never were in either films. So that point in moot. Also, Nelson is really putting himself out on this one. If he in fact is wrong, his credibility will be shot. So I'm thinking that he's pretty sure what he's talking about. we'll see for sure come July 1rst.
On a side note..
All those that continue to insist that the twins were a "racial stereo type" or any kind of stereo type.. Really, and i mean really think about what your saying. These were not humans. They were green and orange robots. If you truly felt them as any kind of stereo type then i would go as far as saying that you, THE FANS are the ones that are doing the stereo typing Your the ones making that connection. not Micheal Bay. Not Hasbro. You! It almost seems that some are just jumping on the band wagon with this racial/stereo type crap as an excuse to get them out because your pissed that they were some of the ones that had the most screen time and character development. And yes, they did have character development. If they didn't, we would be having this conversation, let alone thread 6 pages deep discussing whether or not they will be appearing in the 3rd movie.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188101)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:12pm CST
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:12pm CST
This is good news.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188102)
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:17pm CST
Sorry, didn't mean to, just joking around...
Posted by Mindmaster on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:17pm CST
Burn wrote:Mindmaster wrote:If Bay wants to live, he will have the twins in the movie.prowl123 wrote:Well, then Johnny'd better get his gun.
If Bay wants to live those two cars had better have the Twins' colors by coincidence.
Both of you, these sorts of posts are not welcome on this site. Bay didn't appreciate the death threats when the first movie came out, and Seibertron.com is not going to be a breeding ground for such threats whether you mean them or not.
Sorry, didn't mean to, just joking around...
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188103)
Posted by dabattousai on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:17pm CST
Posted by dabattousai on February 27th, 2011 @ 4:17pm CST
To re-iterate what Blaster says to Perceptor in the 1986 movie,
"Let's hope so, but if they didn't, I HOPE they do look like burn out toaster ovens."
at the end of the movie.
"Let's hope so, but if they didn't, I HOPE they do look like burn out toaster ovens."
at the end of the movie.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188154)
Posted by dirk2243 on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:43pm CST
Posted by dirk2243 on February 27th, 2011 @ 6:43pm CST
I'd love to see em, but ahhh, it wouldn't ruin my day if they wern't.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188199)
Posted by OptiMagnus on February 27th, 2011 @ 8:19pm CST
THIS!
Thank Primus! Someone with a brain has contributed.
Posted by OptiMagnus on February 27th, 2011 @ 8:19pm CST
5150 Cruiser wrote:Hmm... Its apparent that many here don't understand how filming works. Many times scripts are made, but are made with variations. What might sound good to the ear, or look good on paper doesn't turn out as well as the director/producers hoped on film. Many reasons can account for this. Time, money, relevance to the story etc. The fact that they were present during filming doesn't automatically constitute them being in the final cut. Its perfectly plausible they had intentions of them being in, but were cut out on the editing room floor.
As far as toys goes, the fact that we have toys means nothing. Most of the toys we've received from the movie lines never were in either films. So that point in moot. Also, Nelson is really putting himself out on this one. If he in fact is wrong, his credibility will be shot. So I'm thinking that he's pretty sure what he's talking about. we'll see for sure come July 1rst.
On a side note..
All those that continue to insist that the twins were a "racial stereo type" or any kind of stereo type.. Really, and i mean really think about what your saying. These were not humans. They were green and orange robots. If you truly felt them as any kind of stereo type then i would go as far as saying that you, THE FANS are the ones that are doing the stereo typing Your the ones making that connection. not Micheal Bay. Not Hasbro. You! It almost seems that some are just jumping on the band wagon with this racial/stereo type crap as an excuse to get them out because your pissed that they were some of the ones that had the most screen time and character development. And yes, they did have character development. If they didn't, we would be having this conversation, let alone thread 6 pages deep discussing whether or not they will be appearing in the 3rd movie.
THIS!
Thank Primus! Someone with a brain has contributed.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188208)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2011 @ 8:38pm CST
Dude, who cares, haha. does it really matter that much to you that people don't like the twins? Suck it up. This thread is about them, and therefore the movie.. no surprise we're 6 pages in. People (well, smarter people) only stereotype when theres grounds for it. If they were like Tuvok on Voyager, no one would know they're supposed to be ghetto inspired characters. Whether or not you agree with people who stereotype the twins, you can't dismiss the fact that there are definitely enough grounds for it, visually (look like a junkyard bot), linguistically (ebonics) , and behaviourly (the way they are rough with each other in that sorta, you my *, no you my *) sorta way.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2011 @ 8:38pm CST
5150 Cruiser wrote: All those that continue to insist that the twins were a "racial stereo type" or any kind of stereo type.. Really, and i mean really think about what your saying. These were not humans. They were green and orange robots. If you truly felt them as any kind of stereo type then i would go as far as saying that you, THE FANS are the ones that are doing the stereo typing Your the ones making that connection. not Micheal Bay. Not Hasbro. You! It almost seems that some are just jumping on the band wagon with this racial/stereo type crap as an excuse to get them out because your pissed that they were some of the ones that had the most screen time and character development. And yes, they did have character development. If they didn't, we would be having this conversation, let alone thread 6 pages deep discussing whether or not they will be appearing in the 3rd movie.
Dude, who cares, haha. does it really matter that much to you that people don't like the twins? Suck it up. This thread is about them, and therefore the movie.. no surprise we're 6 pages in. People (well, smarter people) only stereotype when theres grounds for it. If they were like Tuvok on Voyager, no one would know they're supposed to be ghetto inspired characters. Whether or not you agree with people who stereotype the twins, you can't dismiss the fact that there are definitely enough grounds for it, visually (look like a junkyard bot), linguistically (ebonics) , and behaviourly (the way they are rough with each other in that sorta, you my *, no you my *) sorta way.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188241)
Posted by Supreme Convoy on February 27th, 2011 @ 9:53pm CST
Posted by Supreme Convoy on February 27th, 2011 @ 9:53pm CST
I wouldn't be surprised. Take Jolt for example from Revenge of the Fallen. I think he might've had more scenes in the movie but was cut out. Or perhaps it was getting more expensive to render all that CGI and was cut out as much as possible to save money.
I was totally shocked to see Jolt at the end of the movie because he barely had any presence in the film.
I was totally shocked to see Jolt at the end of the movie because he barely had any presence in the film.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188276)
Posted by Spleenzorio on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:08pm CST
Posted by Spleenzorio on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:08pm CST
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'm probably one of the few who don't actually hate the twins, so it doesn't bother me one way the another. I'm more bothered by the fact that Leo and his bad acting is back.
The toys don't really give any hints at all, because tons of ROTF fig that made it as toys were never seen in the film. Then again, those characters like Breakaway never went beyond the character design concept stage, whereas the twins' alt modes were seen quite a few times on set.
But if I have to make a guess, I'd say the twins likely to be in the film. I can't really say why, but Bay's a particularly mischievous person [read: over-aged fratboy] who likes to pull one over your eyes as a prank, and he openly admits to this in the DVD commentary of the 2007 movie.
Besides, they'd probably just hover around in the background much like Jolt did in ROTF, as many have already proposed.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188284)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:20pm CST
I Agree as well, I don't hate the twins, least not any more than the overall distaste I have for the movies, so I don't care either way. But the few bad actors that are in it make it worse. Sadly, the twins have the most character in the movie, apart from Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream. The others are just fiiiiiillllllaaaaaaa.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2011 @ 11:20pm CST
Spleenzorio wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'm probably one of the few who don't actually hate the twins, so it doesn't bother me one way the another. I'm more bothered by the fact that Leo and his bad acting is back.
The toys don't really give any hints at all, because tons of ROTF fig that made it as toys were never seen in the film. Then again, those characters like Breakaway never went beyond the character design concept stage, whereas the twins' alt modes were seen quite a few times on set.
But if I have to make a guess, I'd say the twins likely to be in the film. I can't really say why, but Bay's a particularly mischievous person [read: over-aged fratboy] who likes to pull one over your eyes as a prank, and he openly admits to this in the DVD commentary of the 2007 movie.
Besides, they'd probably just hover around in the background much like Jolt did in ROTF, as many have already proposed.
I Agree as well, I don't hate the twins, least not any more than the overall distaste I have for the movies, so I don't care either way. But the few bad actors that are in it make it worse. Sadly, the twins have the most character in the movie, apart from Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream. The others are just fiiiiiillllllaaaaaaa.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188322)
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 28th, 2011 @ 1:11am CST
Your not getting it. I don't care if people like them or not. Its there opinion and thats fine. But it gets pretty anoying constantly hearing about no character development in the movies when the twins are pouring it out of there ears. Thats what i meant about this thread being 6 pages deep. Like them or not, they had alot of personality.
I don't nessasarly disagree that some of their behavior was "getto". But getto behavior still does not warrant any type of racial stereo type. This is where people are making their own conections
Not sure where you were going with your comments (especialy the last one
), but for me the behaviors you listed in the twins were more imature "wanna be" tuff guys. As far the way they were rough with each other,.... I'm guessing you never had a brother? Cause thats how i related their behavior. two brothers (cause thats what they are) pushing each other around trying to out "tough' the other. Nothing more. nothing less.
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 28th, 2011 @ 1:11am CST
MINDVVIPE wrote: Dude, who cares, haha. does it really matter that much to you that people don't like the twins? Suck it up. This thread is about them, and therefore the movie.. no surprise we're 6 pages in.
Your not getting it. I don't care if people like them or not. Its there opinion and thats fine. But it gets pretty anoying constantly hearing about no character development in the movies when the twins are pouring it out of there ears. Thats what i meant about this thread being 6 pages deep. Like them or not, they had alot of personality.
MINDVVIPE wrote:People (well, smarter people) only stereotype when theres grounds for it. If they were like Tuvok on Voyager, no one would know they're supposed to be ghetto inspired characters. Whether or not you agree with people who stereotype the twins, you can't dismiss the fact that there are definitely enough grounds for it, visually (look like a junkyard bot), linguistically (ebonics) , and behaviourly (the way they are rough with each other in that sorta, you my *, no you my *) sorta way.
I don't nessasarly disagree that some of their behavior was "getto". But getto behavior still does not warrant any type of racial stereo type. This is where people are making their own conections
MINDVVIPE wrote:visually (look like a junkyard bot), linguistically (ebonics) , and behaviourly (the way they are rough with each other in that sorta, you my *, no you my *) sorta way.
Not sure where you were going with your comments (especialy the last one
), but for me the behaviors you listed in the twins were more imature "wanna be" tuff guys. As far the way they were rough with each other,.... I'm guessing you never had a brother? Cause thats how i related their behavior. two brothers (cause thats what they are) pushing each other around trying to out "tough' the other. Nothing more. nothing less.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188327)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 28th, 2011 @ 1:40am CST
You make enough valid points to make me stop caring to correct anyone further, haha. I just find them boring is all (and ugly). I have a bro, but i have more friends that I treat like that.
I think people see the black part from the big gold tooth, big ears, and overall junkyard looking appearance. The dialogue is very 'street' aswell. Aaaanyway, beating a dead horse. If i have offended anyone, i apologize, I'm just trying to show why people would racially stereotype, they didn't really seem black to me after I saw the movie either, but I can see why people say it. Oh, and i didn't want to say the N word, so i *'ed. Finally, I think they had character, but I don't think they underwent any character development. Something to think about; Why didn't they make Ironhide and Sideswipe the razzing around tough guys? I think they wanted to skimp on the dialogue so that people would relate faster to the bots.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 28th, 2011 @ 1:40am CST
5150 Cruiser wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote: Dude, who cares, haha. does it really matter that much to you that people don't like the twins? Suck it up. This thread is about them, and therefore the movie.. no surprise we're 6 pages in.
Your not getting it. I don't care if people like them or not. Its there opinion and thats fine. But it gets pretty anoying constantly hearing about no character development in the movies when the twins are pouring it out of there ears. Thats what i meant about this thread being 6 pages deep. Like them or not, they had alot of personality.
MINDVVIPE wrote:People (well, smarter people) only stereotype when theres grounds for it. If they were like Tuvok on Voyager, no one would know they're supposed to be ghetto inspired characters. Whether or not you agree with people who stereotype the twins, you can't dismiss the fact that there are definitely enough grounds for it, visually (look like a junkyard bot), linguistically (ebonics) , and behaviourly (the way they are rough with each other in that sorta, you my *, no you my *) sorta way.
I don't nessasarly disagree that some of their behavior was "getto". But getto behavior still does not warrant any type of racial stereo type. This is where people are making their own conectionsMINDVVIPE wrote:visually (look like a junkyard bot), linguistically (ebonics) , and behaviourly (the way they are rough with each other in that sorta, you my *, no you my *) sorta way.
Not sure where you were going with your comments (especialy the last one
You make enough valid points to make me stop caring to correct anyone further, haha. I just find them boring is all (and ugly). I have a bro, but i have more friends that I treat like that.
I think people see the black part from the big gold tooth, big ears, and overall junkyard looking appearance. The dialogue is very 'street' aswell. Aaaanyway, beating a dead horse. If i have offended anyone, i apologize, I'm just trying to show why people would racially stereotype, they didn't really seem black to me after I saw the movie either, but I can see why people say it. Oh, and i didn't want to say the N word, so i *'ed. Finally, I think they had character, but I don't think they underwent any character development. Something to think about; Why didn't they make Ironhide and Sideswipe the razzing around tough guys? I think they wanted to skimp on the dialogue so that people would relate faster to the bots.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1188356)
Posted by Berserker Prime on February 28th, 2011 @ 6:16am CST
Posted by Berserker Prime on February 28th, 2011 @ 6:16am CST
I hope that they are. I wont care that much if they're not tho. Not the biggest chatacters in my eyes. Lest screen time for them the more for better bots.
Re: Have the Twins Been Edited Out of DOTM? (1189499)
Posted by shamone on March 2nd, 2011 @ 4:46pm CST
Posted by shamone on March 2nd, 2011 @ 4:46pm CST
no twins can only be a positive thing.
now if bay refrains from giving the ferrari the rumoured stere- typed italian accent than perhaps we might get a movie which doesnt trade on cheap national typecasting and racial stereotyping
now if bay refrains from giving the ferrari the rumoured stere- typed italian accent than perhaps we might get a movie which doesnt trade on cheap national typecasting and racial stereotyping
