Hasbro Designer Reveals Velocitron Cosmos was Initially Based on Cybertronian Bumblebee Mold

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Transformers G1 1985 Cosmos (Adams) (Reissue) Gallery


Transformers G1 1985 Cosmos (Adams) (Reissue) Gallery

The top does seem tall compared to the G1 original.

MCutter wrote:That Origins Bee version of Cosmos is definitely a "What could have been." The proportions of the alt-mode they ended up with just look wrong to me; like a trash can on a pitcher's mound.

Emerje wrote:

MCutter wrote:That Origins Bee version of Cosmos is definitely a "What could have been." The proportions of the alt-mode they ended up with just look wrong to me; like a trash can on a pitcher's mound.

Are you really willing to sacrifice the bot mode for a perfect saucer mode? I'm not.


For me the saucer is "good enough" and the bot mode is nearly perfect. I don't think I would have been very happy with a skinny, lanky Cosmos just so he'd have an objectively better alt mode. The top of the saucer being off center on the proposed figure would have always bugged me.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:"This is a great example of what Legacy is all about, who would of thought we’d dig deep into the ol Cybertron series eh"

Dig deep? Override is not some deep-cut obscure Cybertron character. She was one of the series main characters. A Convoy, no less. Digging deep would have been if they'd made someone like Signal Lancer, a cartoon-only cameo character who never got a toy. Or a toy-only character like Hardtop or Shortround.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

At least now we have clear confirmation on who to blame for Cosmos being weird looking. lol

ZeroWolf wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

At least now we have clear confirmation on who to blame for Cosmos being weird looking. lol

As weird looking as he is, he's still probably better then howvthe bee retool would have looked

Sabrblade wrote:Cosmos's awkward shape is most likely due to the fact that his proportions change between robot and vehicle mode in the cartoon. In robot mode, his torso is larger than his limbs, while in vehicle mode, his limbs enlarge to become his saucer body, which is much bigger than the tower that becomes his robot torso.



They simply skewed more towards robot mode accuracy in this case, like they did the same for Generations Tankor back in Thrilling 30. His toy focused more on making an accurate robot mode without allowing for any of the "morphing" his CG models does to become his vehicle mode.

ZeroWolf wrote:I wonder what a Masterpiece cosmos would look like by Takara Would they use fold panels with the limbs (keeping the tower the same size through alt and bot mode) or would it be the torso that changed using faux parts? At this rate they may get to him in 10 years+

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:The Shadow Striker and crasher rumors are juicy. Those are 2 characters I really want to see happen, and hopefully they happen well. Especially Shadow Striker. I loved her in Cyberverse

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

They do use "Comic Universe" for Marvel UK-original character Impactor, while the similar comic-original character Jhiaxus is instead labeled as "G2 Universe".

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

blackeyedprime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:By equal measure that if they are mentioning diaclone as a universe and they aren't mentioning IDW as one at all is just as great XD

They probably think they'll be confusing people by having to specify which IDW comic universe it's from, like imagine if they did a character that originated within the Marvel UK comic line... in fact they may not designate comic universes for that reason.

Probably that. I just asscoiate the word Universe with Transformers as being repaints from anyhwere in transformers due to the old toyline than specific set Universes anyways. A Universe Universe labelling would probably be more confusfing than comic universes listing

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:I dont know anything about beast wars 2 story line, but my fanfic was that Lio Convoy is Cheetor as a prime.

Did you know Cheetor actually has an official old man lion upgrade?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1.

Emerje wrote:Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Emerje wrote:I

Also...



2000?


Emerje

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Emerje wrote:Isn't it a little weird that "Diaclone Universe" is a thing? They weren't characters in that line, they were just vehicles that happened to turn into robots with drivers so it isn't like they're bringing over an established character. And then there's the fact that Clampdown is already established in G1. Speaking of which, where's "G1 Universe"?

Also...



2000?

As opposed to "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Strongarm" and "Robots in Disguise 2015 Universe Steeljaw" that we'll be getting in a future Legacy line--if there's any justice in the universe(s).

We're not going to see "Aligned Universe" on packaging after all.