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Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now

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Thursday, February 25th, 2021 9:46AM CST

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Right now, Hasbro is presenting their Virtual Investor Event which will outline how our differentiated advantage in play and entertainment is Supercharging Our Brand Blueprint and creating opportunities for growth.


The event is hosted by Brian Goldner, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Deborah Thomas, Chief Financial Officer, and will feature senior leaders from the Company’s consumer products, entertainment and Wizards of the Coast businesses.


Event Details:
Title: Hasbro 2021 Virtual Investor Event: Supercharging the Brand Blueprint
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2021
Time: 10:00AM ET
Duration: Approximately 2.5 hours, including Q&A

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Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096527)
Posted by william-james88 on February 25th, 2021 @ 9:18pm CST
There was a lot of entertainment news related to Transformers in today's investor conference from Hasbro. No less than 5 projects are currently in development and they were all talked about at the 1:30 mark of the conference. We reported on the Botbots TV show on Netflix, the new Animated TV show on nickelodeon and we all know there will be a third part to the War on Cybertron Trilogy show on Netflix called Kingdom.

Along with those 3 shows, Hasbro is currently making 2 feature length films at the same time and here are all the details that were given.

One film will be live action set for release in summer 2022 "with a fresh vision that will launch a new trajectory for the franchise". The director is Steven Caple Jr who directed Creed 2, Lorenzo di Bonaventura will be producing and Steven Spielberg will be one of the executive producers.

The other feature length film will be animated and that one will be directed by Josh Cooley, who directed Toy Story 4.

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Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096543)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on February 25th, 2021 @ 10:43pm CST
Hate that guy
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096548)
Posted by jtanimator on February 26th, 2021 @ 12:12am CST
No. No. No. No. NO. nO. No. n0o. N0oO. NO!!! NO!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve had it. I’ve had it with this terrible terrible producer. He is an untalented, inconsiderate, ignorant Hollywood puppet who doesn’t know TWO SH*TS about Transformers. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, look up any interview of him, or any quote from him concerning his opinions on the transformers movies, and you’ll very soon see how much HE was the root of every transformers movie problem until the present day, I’d argue even more than Michael bay. MOST of the BS nonsense that was shoehorned into the bayverse movies was due to this idiot. There are very few people I have such little respect and so much hate for. Why? Why would they drag HIM back into the picture RIGHT When this franchise has the potential to be something good again? I hate to sound like a pessimist, but with this one simple announcement, I have momentarily lost literally all hope for any upcoming transformers films. Until this man is wiped from the face of Transformers media, I will not see a hopeful ray of light again.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096559)
Posted by Dead Metal on February 26th, 2021 @ 2:47am CST
william-james88 wrote:
Lorenzo di Bonaventura will be producing.

Oh no...
william-james88 wrote:
The other feature length film will be animated and that one will be directed by Josh Cooley, who directed Toy Story 4.

Oh no, that's the worst and most unnecessary Toy Story...
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096562)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 26th, 2021 @ 3:39am CST
I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096565)
Posted by Dead Metal on February 26th, 2021 @ 4:15am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?

He and Bay were attached as Producers, from when the Movie was still supposed to be a Prequel to the previous Live Action Movie franchise and before the reshoots and new direction.
Most of the stuff that made the movie good are actually reshoots and changes included after the test screening and Paramount getting scared of another flop.
So it's unlikely that he had anything to do with why it's liked.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096567)
Posted by Burn on February 26th, 2021 @ 5:05am CST
Producers don't really do much. Just look at Don Murphy.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096570)
Posted by SkyFire Prime on February 26th, 2021 @ 6:12am CST
jtanimator wrote:No. No. No. No. NO. nO. No. n0o. N0oO. NO!!! NO!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve had it. I’ve had it with this terrible terrible producer. He is an untalented, inconsiderate, ignorant Hollywood puppet who doesn’t know TWO SH*TS about Transformers. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, look up any interview of him, or any quote from him concerning his opinions on the transformers movies, and you’ll very soon see how much HE was the root of every transformers movie problem until the present day, I’d argue even more than Michael bay. MOST of the BS nonsense that was shoehorned into the bayverse movies was due to this idiot. There are very few people I have such little respect and so much hate for. Why? Why would they drag HIM back into the picture RIGHT When this franchise has the potential to be something good again? I hate to sound like a pessimist, but with this one simple announcement, I have momentarily lost literally all hope for any upcoming transformers films. Until this man is wiped from the face of Transformers media, I will not see a hopeful ray of light again.


This, he's like Kathleen Kennedy...
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096574)
Posted by griftimus prime on February 26th, 2021 @ 7:30am CST
summer 2022

sure
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096581)
Posted by TulioDude on February 26th, 2021 @ 9:06am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?

This. ;)^

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Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096600)
Posted by william-james88 on February 26th, 2021 @ 2:20pm CST
SkyFire Prime wrote:
This, he's like Kathleen Kennedy...


She did eventually give us the very best Star wars we have ever gotten since the originals. It just took 4 years.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096604)
Posted by First-Aid on February 26th, 2021 @ 3:58pm CST
Burn wrote:Producers don't really do much. Just look at Don Murphy.


Producers are responsible for the financial backing and distribution of the product. That's about it. They try to attach themselves to products, not because they necessarily like them, but because they will make money. If he's on board, I suspect there is money to be made.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096618)
Posted by william-james88 on February 26th, 2021 @ 5:32pm CST
First-Aid wrote:
Burn wrote:Producers don't really do much. Just look at Don Murphy.


Producers are responsible for the financial backing and distribution of the product. That's about it.

Not true, not in the least bit. If producers had nothing to do with the final product content wise, then there would be no such thing as a director's cut.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096626)
Posted by Primus444 on February 26th, 2021 @ 6:37pm CST
Looks like we're slipping back into the Dark Ages. Nice knowing you boys. Get ready for shitty human characters and excessive explosions! :-(
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096627)
Posted by First-Aid on February 26th, 2021 @ 6:44pm CST
Excessive explosions? No such thing
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096664)
Posted by YoungPrime on February 27th, 2021 @ 12:23pm CST
Oh, so di Bonaventura is back to producing live action TF films. I'm sold!



....Sold on not even watching his crap after a Sunday afternoon Football game on SYFY Channel 4 years after its initial release.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096677)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 27th, 2021 @ 1:37pm CST
YoungPrime wrote:Oh, so di Bonaventura is back to producing live action TF films. I'm sold!



....Sold on not even watching his crap after a Sunday afternoon Football game on SYFY Channel 4 years after its initial release.

He never left to be fair.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096679)
Posted by First-Aid on February 27th, 2021 @ 2:09pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:
YoungPrime wrote:Oh, so di Bonaventura is back to producing live action TF films. I'm sold!



....Sold on not even watching his crap after a Sunday afternoon Football game on SYFY Channel 4 years after its initial release.

He never left to be fair.


So here's his list of movies:

Constantine
FOur Brothers
Doom
Derailed
Shooter
1408
Transformers
Stardust
Imagine That
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Salt
Red
Transformers Dark of the Moon
The Devil Inside
Man on a Ledge
The Last Stand
GI Joe: Retaliation
Red 2
Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit
Transformers: Age of Extinction
Electric Slide
Deepwater Horizon
Transformers The Last Night
Kidnap
Unlocked
American Assassin
Only the Brave
The Meg
Higher Power
Replicas
Bumbleebee
Pet Sematary
The Secrets We Keep
GI Joe Origins: Snake Eyes
Infinite
The Plane

Seems to me there are a few clunkers there. Seems to me there are a few really good films on there (Constantine, Red Red 2). I think people are giving the producer way more credit than is deserved. The one constant on the TF movies besides di Bonventura- until Bumblebee, that is- was Michael Bay, who is an "eye candy" director.

"A producer is the person responsible for finding and launching a project; arranging financing; hiring writers, a director, and key members of the creative team; and overseeing all elements of pre-production, production and post-production, right up to release. A film producer is a person who oversees film production. Either employed by a production company or working independently, producers plan and coordinate various aspects of film production, such as selecting the script; coordinating writing, directing, editing; and arranging financing. "

I think the key words in there are "plan and coordinate". Do they have a say? probably. Do they have FINAL say? Probably not. Is there some responsibility? Yes. Is it all on him? No. Like I said, both Red and Red 2 were good movies. I enjoyed Constantine a lot and thought it was underrated. Do I give him credit? Partially. Do I give him more credit than the director and editors and writers? No. He HIRED them. Then they did their thing.

I think everyone is overreacting. Like it was pointed out recently, the Bumblebee movie was one of his productions and it was a thoroughly enjoyable, fun, movie, and well-regarded by the fandom. So, I suggest everyone pump the brakes a bit and wait to see what the new directors (and Hasbro) can come up with for further Transformers movies before stringing him up in a noose.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096695)
Posted by YoungPrime on February 27th, 2021 @ 5:41pm CST
First-Aid wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
YoungPrime wrote:Oh, so di Bonaventura is back to producing live action TF films. I'm sold!



....Sold on not even watching his crap after a Sunday afternoon Football game on SYFY Channel 4 years after its initial release.

He never left to be fair.


So here's his list of movies:

Constantine
FOur Brothers
Doom
Derailed
Shooter
1408
Transformers
Stardust
Imagine That
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Salt
Red
Transformers Dark of the Moon
The Devil Inside
Man on a Ledge
The Last Stand
GI Joe: Retaliation
Red 2
Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit
Transformers: Age of Extinction
Electric Slide
Deepwater Horizon
Transformers The Last Night
Kidnap
Unlocked
American Assassin
Only the Brave
The Meg
Higher Power
Replicas
Bumbleebee
Pet Sematary
The Secrets We Keep
GI Joe Origins: Snake Eyes
Infinite
The Plane

Seems to me there are a few clunkers there. Seems to me there are a few really good films on there (Constantine, Red Red 2). I think people are giving the producer way more credit than is deserved. The one constant on the TF movies besides di Bonventura- until Bumblebee, that is- was Michael Bay, who is an "eye candy" director.

"A producer is the person responsible for finding and launching a project; arranging financing; hiring writers, a director, and key members of the creative team; and overseeing all elements of pre-production, production and post-production, right up to release. A film producer is a person who oversees film production. Either employed by a production company or working independently, producers plan and coordinate various aspects of film production, such as selecting the script; coordinating writing, directing, editing; and arranging financing. "

I think the key words in there are "plan and coordinate". Do they have a say? probably. Do they have FINAL say? Probably not. Is there some responsibility? Yes. Is it all on him? No. Like I said, both Red and Red 2 were good movies. I enjoyed Constantine a lot and thought it was underrated. Do I give him credit? Partially. Do I give him more credit than the director and editors and writers? No. He HIRED them. Then they did their thing.

I think everyone is overreacting. Like it was pointed out recently, the Bumblebee movie was one of his productions and it was a thoroughly enjoyable, fun, movie, and well-regarded by the fandom. So, I suggest everyone pump the brakes a bit and wait to see what the new directors (and Hasbro) can come up with for further Transformers movies before stringing him up in a noose.

.........Was this suppose to change my opinion, because my post wasn't meant to change yours or anyone else's. So support him as much as you want. For me I'm sure I'll be busy watching paint dry when this next project releases. ;)^
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096699)
Posted by First-Aid on February 27th, 2021 @ 6:16pm CST
Eeep. Double post.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096700)
Posted by First-Aid on February 27th, 2021 @ 6:16pm CST
YoungPrime wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
YoungPrime wrote:Oh, so di Bonaventura is back to producing live action TF films. I'm sold!



....Sold on not even watching his crap after a Sunday afternoon Football game on SYFY Channel 4 years after its initial release.

He never left to be fair.


So here's his list of movies:

Constantine
FOur Brothers
Doom
Derailed
Shooter
1408
Transformers
Stardust
Imagine That
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Salt
Red
Transformers Dark of the Moon
The Devil Inside
Man on a Ledge
The Last Stand
GI Joe: Retaliation
Red 2
Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit
Transformers: Age of Extinction
Electric Slide
Deepwater Horizon
Transformers The Last Night
Kidnap
Unlocked
American Assassin
Only the Brave
The Meg
Higher Power
Replicas
Bumbleebee
Pet Sematary
The Secrets We Keep
GI Joe Origins: Snake Eyes
Infinite
The Plane

Seems to me there are a few clunkers there. Seems to me there are a few really good films on there (Constantine, Red Red 2). I think people are giving the producer way more credit than is deserved. The one constant on the TF movies besides di Bonventura- until Bumblebee, that is- was Michael Bay, who is an "eye candy" director.

"A producer is the person responsible for finding and launching a project; arranging financing; hiring writers, a director, and key members of the creative team; and overseeing all elements of pre-production, production and post-production, right up to release. A film producer is a person who oversees film production. Either employed by a production company or working independently, producers plan and coordinate various aspects of film production, such as selecting the script; coordinating writing, directing, editing; and arranging financing. "

I think the key words in there are "plan and coordinate". Do they have a say? probably. Do they have FINAL say? Probably not. Is there some responsibility? Yes. Is it all on him? No. Like I said, both Red and Red 2 were good movies. I enjoyed Constantine a lot and thought it was underrated. Do I give him credit? Partially. Do I give him more credit than the director and editors and writers? No. He HIRED them. Then they did their thing.

I think everyone is overreacting. Like it was pointed out recently, the Bumblebee movie was one of his productions and it was a thoroughly enjoyable, fun, movie, and well-regarded by the fandom. So, I suggest everyone pump the brakes a bit and wait to see what the new directors (and Hasbro) can come up with for further Transformers movies before stringing him up in a noose.

.........Was this suppose to change my opinion, because my post wasn't meant to change yours or anyone else's. So support him as much as you want. For me I'm sure I'll be busy watching paint dry when this next project releases. ;)^


Only trying to point out that the guys has had hits and misses. A lot of peeps here automatically discounting any future movies simply because of his name. I'm pointing out that there are really good movies under his name too.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096703)
Posted by First-Aid on February 27th, 2021 @ 6:41pm CST
I hate posting on my phone sometimes. Damn triple post
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096717)
Posted by Hero Alpha on February 27th, 2021 @ 10:41pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:
This, he's like Kathleen Kennedy...


She did eventually give us the very best Star wars we have ever gotten since the originals. It just took 4 years.


I hope ur not talking about the Mandalorian, which is the only decent thing Disney has ever done as "Star Wars". She had virtually nothing to do with it creatively, that is why it is decent. Everything Star Wars that has been done under Disney has been tainted/ruined by her PC/sjw/feminist crap, with the slight exception of the Mandalorian, which was Favreu and mainly Dave Filoni.

I have no hope for these new movies. However I will wait and if they are good, I will be pleasantly surprised.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096722)
Posted by william-james88 on February 27th, 2021 @ 11:06pm CST
Moonshot wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:
This, he's like Kathleen Kennedy...


She did eventually give us the very best Star wars we have ever gotten since the originals. It just took 4 years.


I hope ur not talking about the Mandalorian, which is the only decent thing Disney has ever done as "Star Wars". She had virtually nothing to do with it creatively, that is why it is decent.


Doesn't matter, she's still the producer of, as you say, the only decent thing Disney has ever done as Star Wars.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096726)
Posted by First-Aid on February 27th, 2021 @ 11:56pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
Moonshot wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:
This, he's like Kathleen Kennedy...


She did eventually give us the very best Star wars we have ever gotten since the originals. It just took 4 years.


I hope ur not talking about the Mandalorian, which is the only decent thing Disney has ever done as "Star Wars". She had virtually nothing to do with it creatively, that is why it is decent.


Doesn't matter, she's still the producer of, as you say, the only decent thing Disney has ever done as Star Wars.


Bingo.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096736)
Posted by noctorro on February 28th, 2021 @ 9:41am CST
Yeah, one glimpse of hope aaaaaaaaannnnndddddd we're back to where we started.

I'll turn my expectations and excitement to 0 untill a trailer drops. Summer 2022 yeah, no, more 2024.

On the Kathleen Kennedy part, the thing that felt familiar in The Last Jedi, you know the massacre of Luke Skywalker, was what we TF fans got from TF2 and onward. A raging psychopath, murdering decepticons left right and center. I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Good thing us Transformers fans have. ... have...

I really enjoyed Cyberverse and thought it was a decent to good show. So that's where I'm at.
Now repaint Warrior Prowl 3 times and I'm happy.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096749)
Posted by ZeroWolf on February 28th, 2021 @ 11:56am CST
noctorro wrote:Yeah, one glimpse of hope aaaaaaaaannnnndddddd we're back to where we started.

I'll turn my expectations and excitement to 0 untill a trailer drops. Summer 2022 yeah, no, more 2024.

On the Kathleen Kennedy part, the thing that felt familiar in The Last Jedi, you know the massacre of Luke Skywalker, was what we TF fans got from TF2 and onward. A raging psychopath, murdering decepticons left right and center. I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Good thing us Transformers fans have. ... have...

I really enjoyed Cyberverse and thought it was a decent to good show. So that's where I'm at.
Now repaint Warrior Prowl 3 times and I'm happy.

So you didn't like Bumblebee? He was a producer on that as well. Plus we have a very different writer/ director team on this one which I think will have more impact then who has a producer credit.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096756)
Posted by Hero Alpha on February 28th, 2021 @ 12:53pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
Moonshot wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
SkyFire Prime wrote:
This, he's like Kathleen Kennedy...


She did eventually give us the very best Star wars we have ever gotten since the originals. It just took 4 years.


I hope ur not talking about the Mandalorian, which is the only decent thing Disney has ever done as "Star Wars". She had virtually nothing to do with it creatively, that is why it is decent.


Doesn't matter, she's still the producer of, as you say, the only decent thing Disney has ever done as Star Wars.



Looks like that is going over really well for her right now, lol. Also pretty sure its not just me saying that.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096758)
Posted by First-Aid on February 28th, 2021 @ 1:05pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:
noctorro wrote:Yeah, one glimpse of hope aaaaaaaaannnnndddddd we're back to where we started.

I'll turn my expectations and excitement to 0 untill a trailer drops. Summer 2022 yeah, no, more 2024.

On the Kathleen Kennedy part, the thing that felt familiar in The Last Jedi, you know the massacre of Luke Skywalker, was what we TF fans got from TF2 and onward. A raging psychopath, murdering decepticons left right and center. I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Good thing us Transformers fans have. ... have...

I really enjoyed Cyberverse and thought it was a decent to good show. So that's where I'm at.
Now repaint Warrior Prowl 3 times and I'm happy.

So you didn't like Bumblebee? He was a producer on that as well. Plus we have a very different writer/ director team on this one which I think will have more impact then who has a producer credit.


Don't bother using logic, dude. Logic escapes them...it's nothing but hate no matter what.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096768)
Posted by TulioDude on February 28th, 2021 @ 5:00pm CST
I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Source?
First-Aid wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
noctorro wrote:Yeah, one glimpse of hope aaaaaaaaannnnndddddd we're back to where we started.

I'll turn my expectations and excitement to 0 untill a trailer drops. Summer 2022 yeah, no, more 2024.

On the Kathleen Kennedy part, the thing that felt familiar in The Last Jedi, you know the massacre of Luke Skywalker, was what we TF fans got from TF2 and onward. A raging psychopath, murdering decepticons left right and center.I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Good thing us Transformers fans have. ... have...

I really enjoyed Cyberverse and thought it was a decent to good show. So that's where I'm at.
Now repaint Warrior Prowl 3 times and I'm happy.

So you didn't like Bumblebee? He was a producer on that as well. Plus we have a very different writer/ director team on this one which I think will have more impact then who has a producer credit.


Don't bother using logic, dude. Logic escapes them...it's nothing but hate no matter what.


Pretty much.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096811)
Posted by Dead Metal on March 1st, 2021 @ 2:44am CST
TulioDude wrote:
I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Source?

I think he's reffereing to this. The video should start at the question being asked, they start of talking about the Netflix show and Cullen then adds to the BB movie. If it doesn't start at where it should, skip to 31:12
[youtube]https://youtu.be/tqEOlsH9AtI?t=1872[/youtube]
First-Aid wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
noctorro wrote:Yeah, one glimpse of hope aaaaaaaaannnnndddddd we're back to where we started.

I'll turn my expectations and excitement to 0 untill a trailer drops. Summer 2022 yeah, no, more 2024.

On the Kathleen Kennedy part, the thing that felt familiar in The Last Jedi, you know the massacre of Luke Skywalker, was what we TF fans got from TF2 and onward. A raging psychopath, murdering decepticons left right and center.I read somewhere that Peter Cullen hated reading some lines.

Good thing us Transformers fans have. ... have...

I really enjoyed Cyberverse and thought it was a decent to good show. So that's where I'm at.
Now repaint Warrior Prowl 3 times and I'm happy.

So you didn't like Bumblebee? He was a producer on that as well. Plus we have a very different writer/ director team on this one which I think will have more impact then who has a producer credit.


Don't bother using logic, dude. Logic escapes them...it's nothing but hate no matter what.


Pretty much.

Eh, If you look at the list that was posted of all his movie credits, there are way more stinkers than good ones, and the majority of the "geek" ones are all infamous for "disrespecting" the source material.

Producers don't have total control over a movie, but they do have influence and there are many examples where they override decisions because they're convinced the movie should would otherwise fail.
Famous examples are for instance Alien 3, Dune, Bladerunner, and Spider-Man 3.
The Bumblebee movie started out as a prequel to the original Live Action series, which is why both are attached as Producers. The studio ordered reshoots after the test screening, adding the Cybertron scene, removing the majority of the stuff that lead into the Live action continuity, rewriting characters (John Cena was originally a straight up badguy).
It also originally included more slapstick.
It could be that he made the decision to do reshoots and the changes, could be that someone higher up made the decision for him.
Claiming that Bumblebee is proof that he's good just ignores how the movie was not only changed from it's original form, but also the entirety of the previous movies. He was also always the most outspoken against criticism of the movies he was a producer on. Bay would usually go "whatever, people are still going to see this" while he would question people's taste. He's also one of the guys who claims that Hollywood is ignoring young males as it's audience and isn't producing enough content to cater to them, which is flat-out wrong.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096816)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 1st, 2021 @ 3:57am CST
The Bumblebee movie still works as a prequel though, there's not enough to completely disconnect it that couldn't be changed (heck it actually improves the older movies to some respect as it explains more!) Also Megatron is still frozen in ice under the hoover dam according to the extras)

Now the upcoming Transformers movie on the other hand, will be the reboot in terms of what it's going to change. In a sense Bumblebee becomes on of those ink blot cards, allowing you to see whatever you want in it :lol:

But overall, the message remains the same, let's not lose our heads over a name, and let's just hold judgment till a teaser trailer lands, if not the full trailer.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2096852)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on March 1st, 2021 @ 12:59pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Burn wrote:Producers don't really do much. Just look at Don Murphy.


Producers are responsible for the financial backing and distribution of the product. That's about it.

Not true, not in the least bit. If producers had nothing to do with the final product content wise, then there would be no such thing as a director's cut.


There’s a reason producers get the Oscar statue when a film wins best picture. They’re the overall boss of the film and make most of the major decisions on a project.

“Executive producer” however is more often than not a courtesy credit.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2097150)
Posted by mcfmullen on March 3rd, 2021 @ 9:11pm CST
Dead Metal wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?

He and Bay were attached as Producers, from when the Movie was still supposed to be a Prequel to the previous Live Action Movie franchise and before the reshoots and new direction.
Most of the stuff that made the movie good are actually reshoots and changes included after the test screening and Paramount getting scared of another flop.
So it's unlikely that he had anything to do with why it's liked.


The Bumblebee movie still IS a prequel to the original trilogy. Nothing in it invalidates the bay films as being part of its chronology.

Only Bumblebee 2 could possibly change this.
Re: Hasbro 2021 Investors Presentation On Now (2097163)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 4th, 2021 @ 1:57am CST
mcfmullen wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?

He and Bay were attached as Producers, from when the Movie was still supposed to be a Prequel to the previous Live Action Movie franchise and before the reshoots and new direction.
Most of the stuff that made the movie good are actually reshoots and changes included after the test screening and Paramount getting scared of another flop.
So it's unlikely that he had anything to do with why it's liked.


The Bumblebee movie still IS a prequel to the original trilogy. Nothing in it invalidates the bay films as being part of its chronology.

Only Bumblebee 2 could possibly change this.

This ^
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Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on March 4th, 2021 @ 2:50am CST
mcfmullen wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?

He and Bay were attached as Producers, from when the Movie was still supposed to be a Prequel to the previous Live Action Movie franchise and before the reshoots and new direction.
Most of the stuff that made the movie good are actually reshoots and changes included after the test screening and Paramount getting scared of another flop.
So it's unlikely that he had anything to do with why it's liked.


The Bumblebee movie still IS a prequel to the original trilogy. Nothing in it invalidates the bay films as being part of its chronology.

Only Bumblebee 2 could possibly change this.



…there were five films.
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Posted by Dead Metal on March 4th, 2021 @ 1:44pm CST
mcfmullen wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I see a lot of hate for poor Lorenzo but wasn't he also the producer for Bumblebee? The best regarded Transformers film?

He and Bay were attached as Producers, from when the Movie was still supposed to be a Prequel to the previous Live Action Movie franchise and before the reshoots and new direction.
Most of the stuff that made the movie good are actually reshoots and changes included after the test screening and Paramount getting scared of another flop.
So it's unlikely that he had anything to do with why it's liked.


The Bumblebee movie still IS a prequel to the original trilogy. Nothing in it invalidates the bay films as being part of its chronology.

Only Bumblebee 2 could possibly change this.


It can still work as a prequel, but that's only because the movies have always been really loose with their continuity.

The first movie sets up that The Autobots first arrive to Earth, BB arrived earlier because he was sent out as a scout. Sector 7 treated the events like these were the first time they encountered the TFs and had actual contact with them, they also hunt BB for the same reason.

Later it's revealed that some Transformers have arrived earlier and have lived in hiding.

Then it's revealed that the TFs were always there, established King Arthur's court, etc.
Bumblebee and other Autobots worked alongside the Allied forces in WW2.

But the Bumblebee movie has Optimus send BB directly to Earth in the 80s, because it's a secret planet the Cons don't know about and they can use it as a base for the Autobots. This contradicts previous continuity where BB traveled to Earth later, because he was scouting for the Allspark. And TLK events where it's revealed that he's been allied with America since WW2.
Blitzwing is the one to damage BB's voice box, while in the old movies it was Megatron.

Sector 7 refers to Shatter and Dropkick as being first contact with Transformers, which invalidates the Last Knight set up of BB and others being on Earth for ages and cooperating with them.

On top of that are the estetics. Everything is more G1, save for Shatter and Dropkick. BB's Camaro body is the same as his VW by, just with Camaro parts, instead of his 2007 body.

It was clearly indented to be a prequel, but the changes don't really make it fit that well, and only if you ignore The Last Knight. Which is hilarious seeing how this was originally made to further cement TLK's continuity.
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Posted by ZeroWolf on March 4th, 2021 @ 1:55pm CST
Actually the movies never stated it was megatron who took bee's voice, all Ratchet says is it was damaged in battle. It ws the auxiliary media that said was Megatron (fyi the auxiliary media for the bee movie also contradicts things saying that bee first fought Blitzwing while helping a spy I the 1950s-60s in a delicious spy send up. The comic on the home release also features Megs in ice at S7 just like the 07 movie.

But again, as you can easily hand wave these inconsistencies (no more then the ones with the other movies :lol:), that's why this is Schrödinger's Bumblebee, where it is both a prequel and a reboot, needing another film to pull it firmly into either camp.

Personally I wish they never used the g1 designs, but what can you do?

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