GI Joe: Rise of Cobra to be better than Transformers ROTF?

Last time someone said " lets make it a cartoon" we Joel Schumacher's Batman e Robin.

I was all for the GI Joe movie until the adds with the goofy looking power armor. Maybe I haven't seen enough of it, but it just looks hokey to me.

It does look like a very good movie.

But about it being better than ROTF, won't believe it till I see it.

People may enjoy it, and since it is an action movie, I'll probably fall in love with it. But, 'enjoyment factor' is hardly something that will be able to kick ROTF from a highspot.

Meh, Don't think this article was really worth being news. Oh well, I'm not in charge.

If GI Joe is better in people's opinion, all power to them.

I actually can't wait to see it. I'm not a big fan of GI Joe but after seeing the trailers it looks good and being better than transformers ROTF is something i will decide when leaving the theaters.

Why people always look for comparisons?

TulioDude wrote:Why people always look for comparisons?

Exactly. other than the orignals being cartoons, there two completly different movies.
Either way i'm not sure if how i feel about what i've seen so far. Not impressed with the vehicles i've seen. And this power up suits aren't really doing it for me either. I don't recall seeing these in the orignal cartoon. Were they ever a part in other GI Joe series? So far nothing really screams "GI Joe" from what i've seen in previews and toys. But i might be out of touch since i only saw the oringal series up to the 90's. (the latest episode i remember seeing was when the Joe's and Cobra teamed up to fight a drug cartelle)
Even if it does end up being better than ROTF who cares? Does that mean GI Joe is better than TF? Nope. Nor does it mean the opisite.

TulioDude wrote:Why people always look for comparisons?

It's the easiest way to judge or explain something.

As for the suits, they referred to them as "Delta Six Accelerator Suits" in the trailer. "Sigma Six" would have been a better choice, but that's just me.

5150 Cruiser wrote:And this power up suits aren't really doing it for me either. I don't recall seeing these in the orignal cartoon. Were they ever a part in other GI Joe series?

G.I.Joe: Sigma 6 had similar enhancer suits called "Sigma Suits".

I'm really happy to hear it doesn't suck. Now let's do the crossover flick! Seriously.

First Gen wrote:Seibertron.com member skywarp-2 has informed us of a movie review posted on Ain't it Cool News covering the newest Hasbro franchise to hit the silverscreen in a live action film, G.I Joe: The Rise of Cobra.

Wow! thanks for the News credits!

yeah I don't know, I still think ROTF is a great movie.. I will have to see Gi Joe to determine if the Gi Joe movie is perhaps better structured then the ROTF movie..

However, if Michael Bay were to release the 1st Transformers movie and ROTF as a special extended cut incorporating new footage that closes plot holes, then I would have to say that Transformers is a win..

Let us all hope that fans request or suggest such "band aides" for the current Transformer movies..

Bravo, skywarp2. Congrats for the front page news!

Real Devastator wrote:Bravo, skywarp2. Congrats for the front page news!

Thanks RD! I have to pretty much scour the net almost all the time to keep up with you, and your skills!

skywarp-2 wrote:

Real Devastator wrote:Bravo, skywarp2. Congrats for the front page news!

Thanks RD! I have to pretty much scour the net almost all the time to keep up with you, and your skills!

Haha.... Thats my purpose.... Would like to encourage and see all members searching for new things and post it here.
Each member contribute one news will make Seibertron one news better!
Keep it up, Skywarp2.

Am i the ONLY person who had no trouble at all following the plot in RotF?
I mean, it had big holes but every review seems to paint it as super confusing, but I was never lost or confused...

Also, the Accelerator Suits in GIJoe make the big action scenes look like NOT the kind of action I want from GIJoe.

This is good news. Leaves me hopeful.

On the plus side: The last trailer I saw (when I watched ROTF the 2nd time) was actually quite good, made me want to see it.

Minus side: A friend of mine who worked on the movie (& is diehard Joe comic fan) said he didn't think the film will be that good. Don't know what his opinion is now though. Rumor has it that director Stephen Sommers was kicked out of the editing room & a new editors were brought in -things got so heated. Unfortunately the studio/money men get final say.

I'm having trouble getting past the really shitty-looking Cobra Commander they went with in the film. Totally screwing up an iconic character can be a dealbreaker.

DetectiveFork wrote:I'm having trouble getting past the really shitty-looking Cobra Commander they went with in the film. Totally screwing up an iconic character can be a dealbreaker.

Can you point me in the direction of a pic of this new Cobrs Commander? I've been dying to see what he looks like.

NuclearConvoy wrote:Am i the ONLY person who had no trouble at all following the plot in RotF?

No, I followed it easily as well.

vectorA3 wrote:Minus side: A friend of mine who worked on the movie (& is diehard Joe comic fan) said he didn't think the film will be that good. Don't know what his opinion is now though.

He was an extra, he hasn't seen the final product, which as we've seen includes heavy CGI. That's like criticizing a comic even though you've only seen the pencils, not the inks, colors, or even text.

vectorA3 wrote:Rumor has it that director Stephen Sommers was kicked out of the editing room & a new editors were brought in -things got so heated. Unfortunately the studio/money men get final say.

It never happened, it was just a rumor that got out of hand. Sommers never got fired or kicked out of anything.

Sabrblade wrote:

DetectiveFork wrote:I'm having trouble getting past the really shitty-looking Cobra Commander they went with in the film. Totally screwing up an iconic character can be a dealbreaker.

Can you point me in the direction of a pic of this new Cobrs Commander? I've been dying to see what he looks like.

Right here. Sorry it's so small, could soemone find a bigger pic?

The good news, that's Destro wearing that mask. Bad news, that's Cobra Commander on the far right.

I don't want to sound like a jerk but I believe this article was written by someone who hated ROTF and wants to attack it.
And yeah ROFT was also similar to the TF cartoon so he is a real jerk.

Seriously, Power Suits, I didn't even like Sigma Six that much.

Marcdachamp wrote:I'm really happy to hear it doesn't suck. Now let's do the crossover flick! Seriously.

Let's not.

Here's Cobra Commander's toy:
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/pr ... S17405.jpg

But yeah, at least Destro seems spot-on.

Look, I'm a Transformers fan, not a GI Joe fan when it comes to toys and collecting.

All I can say is, ROC can't be worse than ROTF

Shadowman...

The movie poster you put a link up to does NOT show Destro.....The black-masked guy between the Baroness and CC is a Neo Viper.....there have been no released photos of Destro actually in his mask....Hes unmasked for almost the whole movie from what Ive read.......

dablues7 wrote:Shadowman...

The movie poster you put a link up to does NOT show Destro.....The black-masked guy between the Baroness and CC is a Neo Viper.....there have been no released photos of Destro actually in his mask....Hes unmasked for almost the whole movie from what Ive read.......

You are SPOT ON about the Viper, but I don't think it is a "Neo Viper", the toys just call him Viper.
I am not certain whether or not Destro is masked early on or not, but I hear there is enough of it in mask to enjoy it.

Shadowman wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Am i the ONLY person who had no trouble at all following the plot in RotF?

No, I followed it easily as well.

vectorA3 wrote:Minus side: A friend of mine who worked on the movie (& is diehard Joe comic fan) said he didn't think the film will be that good. Don't know what his opinion is now though.

He was an extra, he hasn't seen the final product, which as we've seen includes heavy CGI. That's like criticizing a comic even though you've only seen the pencils, not the inks, colors, or even text.

vectorA3 wrote:Rumor has it that director Stephen Sommers was kicked out of the editing room & a new editors were brought in -things got so heated. Unfortunately the studio/money men get final say.

It never happened, it was just a rumor that got out of hand. Sommers never got fired or kicked out of anything.

Sabrblade wrote:

DetectiveFork wrote:I'm having trouble getting past the really shitty-looking Cobra Commander they went with in the film. Totally screwing up an iconic character can be a dealbreaker.

Can you point me in the direction of a pic of this new Cobrs Commander? I've been dying to see what he looks like.

Right here. Sorry it's so small, could soemone find a bigger pic?

The good news, that's Destro wearing that mask. Bad news, that's Cobra Commander on the far right.

Major assumptions you made. First, my friend wasn't an extra he worked in the assistant directing department for the run of the film. Not some schmuck dayplaying extra. Second, I heard the Sommers rumor from 3 different people -one of whom works on the Paramount lot. I didn't say he got fired -just kicked out of the editing room. This doesn't happen very often, but it happens & as I said, the moneymen have the final say & they have carte blanche.

Heres the thing with critics if they hate a movie it's proberly awesome the more they hate it the better it is. this doesn't always happen but 95% of the time it is true. I don't think the G.I. Joe will be better than ROTF. for me the new transformers movie was awesome the story was good for me. to be honest when has a movie or show of transformers really have a deep story it's always the same, big ass robots kicking the shit out of each other. i love it and i will always love it.

Sabrblade wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:And this power up suits aren't really doing it for me either. I don't recall seeing these in the orignal cartoon. Were they ever a part in other GI Joe series?

G.I.Joe: Sigma 6 had similar enhancer suits called "Sigma Suits".

Shadowman wrote:
As for the suits, they referred to them as "Delta Six Accelerator Suits" in the trailer. "Sigma Six" would have been a better choice, but that's just me.

Ahh. Ok. Thanks guys.

NuclearConvoy wrote:Am i the ONLY person who had no trouble at all following the plot in RotF?

Nope. I followed it just fine as well.

vectorA3 wrote:Second, I heard the Sommers rumor from 3 different people -one of whom works on the Paramount lot. I didn't say he got fired -just kicked out of the editing room. This doesn't happen very often, but it happens & as I said, the moneymen have the final say & they have carte blanche.

Well it wasn't true anyway.

I remenber when i knew nothing about Gi Joe i asked"who is Joe from Gi joe?"Ha ha!

NuclearConvoy wrote:Am i the ONLY person who had no trouble at all following the plot in RotF?

I followed ROTF just fine. Just didn't like it between The Fallen landing on Earth and the Egypt fight.

i actually wanna see r o c
unlike rotf

I was just commenting to a friend the other day that after being somewhat disappointed by ROTF (did like it better the second time though), GI Joe just could be the sleeper action movie of the summer.
Most people expect it to suck so it'll probably be pretty good. Guess we'll know in a few weeks.

Every time I see a preview for Joe, it just reminds me how there's always something about it I dislike. The first trailer had the pretty badly CG Snake-Eyes doing a backflip over the car. Personally, I was looking forward to seeing Ray Park as Snake-Eyes, not a bad looking computer effect. I'll admit though I am a bit biased on the real vs CG argument. 99% of hte time I can spot CG, and this time especially I think doing it real, or even mixed (real backflip compositied into the shot) would have looked better.

But I decided to wait before making up my mind. And then we got the accelerator suits. And the really bad looking Cobra Commander. And the fact that Marlon Wayans is in every fricking promo for the movie. I mean seriously, whoever casted him really should have taken a look at Dungeons & Dragons and figured out he's not appropriate for an action film.

Still, part of me wants to see it, but not enough to see it theatrically. I might wait and see some of the comments after it comes out (No critics though. Many of them don't know a fun film from a hole in the ground.)

I'm not surprised, aintitcool.com has so many Michael Bay haters it was nothing but inevitable.

Hrmm, well well well, just saw a tv spot for G.I. Joe... I say that Joe looks good--though it's not out yet, Joe and Formers in my opinion will be both good. but yes that site must be filled with bay haters, sure his humor is.. immature, but I say to the bay haters... "piss--OFF".










I'm a fan of both. though wasn't impressed with Sigma Six, but that's only because of my dislike towards the Anime style.

I don't think it would be hard to make a movie better than ROTF, that being said I don't think GI Joe is it. I was psyched about GI Joe till I saw the "Exo-suits". exo-suit = epic fail IMO

When I first saw the G.I. Joe Trailer (the one that begins with the Eiffel tower's destruction) I thought it was awesome. I had some doubts about it since it was directed by the guy who made the crappy Mummy films, and the "accelerator" suits bear a powerful resemblance to the Nano suits in the PC game Crysis I almost thought it was a direct, blatant, in-your-face plagiarization.

Oh what the heck, it still looks cool. I'll go watch it sometime after the release when the cinemas won't be so crowded.

Do people really think ROTF doesn't have a clear story line? I didn't think it coul be much clearer.

How can ROC be better than ROTF when ROC doesn't have any Transformers in?!

Here's hoping Cobra Commander turns out awesome.

one thing i don't like about G.I. Joe is that i probably can't relate with their Real American Heroes.(truth be told I'M ASIAN).

besides: NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, I STILL BUY TRANSFORMERS TOYS!!!!!!!!

Shadowman wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:Second, I heard the Sommers rumor from 3 different people -one of whom works on the Paramount lot. I didn't say he got fired -just kicked out of the editing room. This doesn't happen very often, but it happens & as I said, the moneymen have the final say & they have carte blanche.

Well it wasn't true anyway.

Alright -the editing room rumor was false, but you shouldn't tell me what capacity people I know worked on the movie. That's a huge assumption as well as insulting.

I've been wrong before, but I was looking forward to G.I. Joe until I saw the trailers. It might be good, but I don't know.

I think that G.I. Joe has its work cut out for it to top Revenge Of The Fallen. I'm not going to pass judgement just yet. And even then, I wouldn't really try to make a comparison because they're two different movies. I really want to see it. Although, I think the suits do look a little over the top, but we'll see how it all works out. This is the only other movie this year that I really want to see.

I'm not a G.I. JOE fanatic, but I'm excited about the film because it has Christopher Eccleston in it!

And he's coupled with Dennis Quad and Ray Park! The film already has a damn-sight more talent than ROTF!

(Before you nitpick, Park is trained in WuShu; it's a talent! Darth Maul? That was all him...Except the voice, obviously... )

Paradox Factor wrote:Every time I see a preview for Joe, it just reminds me how there's always something about it I dislike. The first trailer had the pretty badly CG Snake-Eyes doing a backflip over the car. Personally, I was looking forward to seeing Ray Park as Snake-Eyes, not a bad looking computer effect. I'll admit though I am a bit biased on the real vs CG argument. 99% of hte time I can spot CG, and this time especially I think doing it real, or even mixed (real backflip compositied into the shot) would have looked better.

Likewise. I think that people should always be real stuntmen unless absolutely impossible in a film. CGI humans, 90% of the time, just do not move the way a real person does. Look at Blade II, with the fight infront of the big UV Lamps, or the Matrix II, with Neo vs a million Smiths...both look bad.

In fact, some of the film is quite good.

:slaps forehead:

What's with the Bay-bashing these days ?

Transformers 2 didn't live up to the good things we saw in TF 1. But there's no need to compare GIJoe to TF2; if GIJoe is gonna be any good it has to be good on its own merits.

I'm probably not going to see GIJoe because i wasn't a fan of the series, that's the only reason. If i go i'll go with friends to see The Baroness.

Now Avatar: that is gonna be better than Revenge of The Fallen.

You still could pay me enough to see this movie

I would rather for it to hit cable next year

Erm well it could possibly do better opening than ROTF in the US as america does have it fixation with the military and liking to think its the worlds police, but when your talking number you have to remember the box office total will be for world wide numbers which is the one to bet. Studios are a bit too domestic centric.

Sadly I do not think that the take will be that great in non US teritories, GI Joes as a world wide brand is just not that big,. Large parts of Asia, the middle east hell even Europe havent had GI Joe toys since the early 90's let alone any thing else.

Im hard pressed to think of many comic shops that stock the nontransformer comics for the Joes.

Im also guessing it may get limited releaes in coutries such as Latvia, Lituania, Macedonia and certain other ex soviet block countries and it may not get released at all in other less than friendly to the US countries.

I personally will go see it as will my Russian girl friend (she loves trashy blow stuff up American pop corn flicks, she loved ROTF). Trying to get her to come to botcon next year.