Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9
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Courtesy of Multiversity Comics once more, we have the full preview of this week's issue of IDW Publishing's Transformers: Lost Light #9 - featuring the end of the mini-arc on Troja Major, and more than one twist ahead. Check it out below along with its variant covers not seen so far, and come back to Seibertron.com for a review later this week!
All sides converge on Troja Major as the race to unlock the secrets of a unique Cybertronian reaches its desperate, violent conclusion. As old secrets are revealed, Nautica must pay the ultimate price—by resorting to the ultimate currency.
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Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910259)
Posted by WreckerJack on September 11th, 2017 @ 4:45pm CDT
Posted by WreckerJack on September 11th, 2017 @ 4:45pm CDT
POW! Right in the kisser! I'm so ready to watch her kick some aft!
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910262)
Posted by ricemazter on September 11th, 2017 @ 4:48pm CDT
Posted by ricemazter on September 11th, 2017 @ 4:48pm CDT
Ok, that's the first time Anode has ever made me smile. I love that Flame actually falls for something that dumb.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910292)
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:39pm CDT
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 11th, 2017 @ 7:39pm CDT
Anode continues to be amazing.
That cover has really thrown me off though, seriously gorgeous as it is it seems an odd choice? We've had unrelated covers before but I don't remember any that *were* directly related, just Tina *different* title. Honestly, my guess is that it was commissioned by IDW and completed before the confirmation that taao would end, and hence using it now so as not to let it go to waste. Can't say in complaining- as I said, it's seriously gorgeous!
That cover has really thrown me off though, seriously gorgeous as it is it seems an odd choice? We've had unrelated covers before but I don't remember any that *were* directly related, just Tina *different* title. Honestly, my guess is that it was commissioned by IDW and completed before the confirmation that taao would end, and hence using it now so as not to let it go to waste. Can't say in complaining- as I said, it's seriously gorgeous!
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910301)
Posted by Targetmaster Kup on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:22pm CDT
Posted by Targetmaster Kup on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:22pm CDT
Ok, that Combaticons cover has to be a leftover from TAAO, right?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910311)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:59pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 11th, 2017 @ 9:59pm CDT
I wish it wasn't. As bad as Roberts is, even he could do more with them than Scott did.Nik Hero wrote:Ok, that Combaticons cover has to be a leeftover from TAAO, right?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910440)
Posted by Kurona on September 12th, 2017 @ 11:08am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 12th, 2017 @ 11:08am CDT
It is strange. Excellent as these characters and this arc were, they don't have anything to do with Lost Light; it's been a few months now and it's not even part of a crossover. I suppose maybe just a tribute to one of the best parts of IDW Transformers this year? 
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910578)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 1:46am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 1:46am CDT
Here's a crazy idea out of left field: way back in the G1 comics, the Combaticons were the Decepticons' answer to the Protectobots. So they're kind of each others' nemeses. I know Defensor will be showing up in Lost Light here soon, so is it really impossible to have the Combaticons "somehow" be involved in the story as well? I mean, I know they're far far away on Cybertron, but stranger things have been done in comics before.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910584)
Posted by Va'al on September 13th, 2017 @ 4:07am CDT
Posted by Va'al on September 13th, 2017 @ 4:07am CDT
The artist pointed out on Twitter that the cover was initially a variant for TAAO.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910636)
Posted by ScottyP on September 13th, 2017 @ 9:31am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 13th, 2017 @ 9:31am CDT
9 was good and I enjoyed it a great deal. Some things resolved that I was afraid would get dragged out too long, so that was nice. Also holy crud that last page :O Curious if that'll have as much impact for newer readers that skipped the Furman IDW stuff as it did for folks like me that have been clinging to this train for ages.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910638)
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 9:37am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 9:37am CDT
I lost my shit at the last page. Needless to say I am very, very excited for where this is going 
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910645)
Posted by Insurgent on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:00am CDT
Posted by Insurgent on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:00am CDT
Haven't picked it up yet, so trying to avoid spoilers for 9.
But just wondering, I'm gonna make a custom Lug and Anode. Can someone who isn't colourblind tell me what colours those two are please?
But just wondering, I'm gonna make a custom Lug and Anode. Can someone who isn't colourblind tell me what colours those two are please?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910646)
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:04am CDT
Anode's colour scheme mainly consists of green and grey; with accents of brown and a couple bits of yellow here and there. Her eyes are bright blue.
Lug's colour scheme mainly consists of dark grey and red; with blue highlights and eyes. Her face is white.
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:04am CDT
Insurgent wrote:Haven't picked it up yet, so trying to avoid spoilers for 9.
But just wondering, I'm gonna make a custom Lug and Anode. Can someone who isn't colourblind tell me what colours those two are please?
Anode's colour scheme mainly consists of green and grey; with accents of brown and a couple bits of yellow here and there. Her eyes are bright blue.
Lug's colour scheme mainly consists of dark grey and red; with blue highlights and eyes. Her face is white.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910651)
Posted by Insurgent on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:28am CDT
Posted by Insurgent on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:28am CDT
Thanks. I can switch the grey to silver, and then I only need to get the green paint.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910655)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:33am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:33am CDT
What happened on the last page? 
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910657)
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:36am CDT
Scorponok is revealed to be the one leading Flame etc., and the 'resus cradle' he stole from Mengel turns out to be The Magnificence.
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:36am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:What happened on the last page?
Scorponok is revealed to be the one leading Flame etc., and the 'resus cradle' he stole from Mengel turns out to be The Magnificence.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910661)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 11:00am CDT
. But at least 1 of my favorite characters is back. Hopefully he will be written in a good way.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 11:00am CDT
Thank you. Other than Scorponok nothing else in that sentence is familiar to me.Kurona wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:What happened on the last page?
Scorponok is revealed to be the one leading Flame etc., and the 'resus cradle' he stole from Mengel turns out to be The Magnificence.
. But at least 1 of my favorite characters is back. Hopefully he will be written in a good way.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910707)
Posted by Va'al on September 13th, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT
Synopsis
All sides converge on Troja Major as the race to unlock the secrets of a unique Cybertronian reaches its desperate, violent conclusion. As old secrets are revealed, Nautica must pay the ultimate price—by resorting to the ultimate currency.
Not sure Ursula looks good as a robot
Story
The other comic released today by IDW Publishing - after the onslaught of news from the weekend, still brimming my newsing cup - is the second part to this interlude arc before we return to the ship proper, with Lost Light #9 ending the stay on Troja Major and opening some proverbial cans of cyberworms, by digging into old soil.
and also death
At the end of last issue, we had split the party in two, with Velocity and Nautica dealing on one side with a more emotional issue for practical gain - and that is pretty much still the case, with some severe manipulation of grief, friendship, and overall being an asshole dragged into looking for solutions, while also enabling bad, even (self)abusive behaviour.
SADISTS I TELL YOU
On the other, we return to new!Lug and Anode, as they face one of the Clans that might finally be driving the story forwards again from before we were stuck in the Functionist universe. That old soil I mentioned? We're going back to Garrus 9, among other things, and the connections you can draw are many, except perhaps where the story ends up leading.
How about The One Perfect Summer kind of old..?
My biggest gripe about the issue, though? The overall story gets shoved forward in the conclusion, with the almost entirety of everything else ending very abruptly for the constraints of the page or the book itself. Plot revolving around any of the four characters was teased, and nothing (allow me the hyperbole) happened. We got character beats, we got some development of relations, but no plot until the last pages. More on this below.
Art
With all that said about the story as writing, I cannot fault the return of Priscilla Tramontano on art to conclude this mini-arc with visual consistency. If there is a particularly heavy reliance of the plot on the emotional side of bargains and grief, Tramontano's art excels in conveying how those operate for the characters personally, and brings the full force of the feeling to the reader - while never losing sight of the composition of the page.
Look at that transformation composition line headed forwards!
Equally, Joana Lafuente helps push what might otherwise be slower action forward, by adding the right touches of accent to the expressions and body language - while keeping coherent and consistent lighting angles, too - for a more rounded and full effect for the readers.
Smashing!
As shown in the image above, the lettering of Tom B. Long is also still at its full dynamic force, working perfectly with the art and incorporating the script nicely into the panels, without ever reducing the space unnecessarily - and rightly so. All covers have been uploaded to our database page for the issue - including the originally TAAO-intended variant by Zero B - and we're re-using the Jack Lawrence / Lafuente main variant for the thumbnail.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
Thinking back on my negative reading of Lost Light #9, I was conferring with other Seibertron.com readers, and we shared some points: the plot that deals with Nautica felt particularly exploitative, of character and reader alike; the conclusion of the issue is where the story picks up again, only to go into entirely unknown (but still anticipated, don't get me wrong) territory next month. It felt jarring, and as if we could've had more space for any of the threads seeded in the past two months.
...I mean..
The emotional tugging that was obviously present in the script is very well handled by Tramontano and Lafuente, of course, as I say above, but in this particular instance it was not enough for me to fully enjoy the book, overwhelmed by the frustration of a recurring writing device in Roberts' approach to 'overstory', if you will. Let's see how he'll Get Away with this one, next month.
Posted by Va'al on September 13th, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT
Flamin' Magnificent
(Spoiler free-ish)
(Spoiler free-ish)
Synopsis
All sides converge on Troja Major as the race to unlock the secrets of a unique Cybertronian reaches its desperate, violent conclusion. As old secrets are revealed, Nautica must pay the ultimate price—by resorting to the ultimate currency.
Not sure Ursula looks good as a robot
Story
The other comic released today by IDW Publishing - after the onslaught of news from the weekend, still brimming my newsing cup - is the second part to this interlude arc before we return to the ship proper, with Lost Light #9 ending the stay on Troja Major and opening some proverbial cans of cyberworms, by digging into old soil.
and also death
At the end of last issue, we had split the party in two, with Velocity and Nautica dealing on one side with a more emotional issue for practical gain - and that is pretty much still the case, with some severe manipulation of grief, friendship, and overall being an asshole dragged into looking for solutions, while also enabling bad, even (self)abusive behaviour.
SADISTS I TELL YOU
On the other, we return to new!Lug and Anode, as they face one of the Clans that might finally be driving the story forwards again from before we were stuck in the Functionist universe. That old soil I mentioned? We're going back to Garrus 9, among other things, and the connections you can draw are many, except perhaps where the story ends up leading.
How about The One Perfect Summer kind of old..?
My biggest gripe about the issue, though? The overall story gets shoved forward in the conclusion, with the almost entirety of everything else ending very abruptly for the constraints of the page or the book itself. Plot revolving around any of the four characters was teased, and nothing (allow me the hyperbole) happened. We got character beats, we got some development of relations, but no plot until the last pages. More on this below.
Art
With all that said about the story as writing, I cannot fault the return of Priscilla Tramontano on art to conclude this mini-arc with visual consistency. If there is a particularly heavy reliance of the plot on the emotional side of bargains and grief, Tramontano's art excels in conveying how those operate for the characters personally, and brings the full force of the feeling to the reader - while never losing sight of the composition of the page.
Look at that transformation composition line headed forwards!
Equally, Joana Lafuente helps push what might otherwise be slower action forward, by adding the right touches of accent to the expressions and body language - while keeping coherent and consistent lighting angles, too - for a more rounded and full effect for the readers.
Smashing!
As shown in the image above, the lettering of Tom B. Long is also still at its full dynamic force, working perfectly with the art and incorporating the script nicely into the panels, without ever reducing the space unnecessarily - and rightly so. All covers have been uploaded to our database page for the issue - including the originally TAAO-intended variant by Zero B - and we're re-using the Jack Lawrence / Lafuente main variant for the thumbnail.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
Thinking back on my negative reading of Lost Light #9, I was conferring with other Seibertron.com readers, and we shared some points: the plot that deals with Nautica felt particularly exploitative, of character and reader alike; the conclusion of the issue is where the story picks up again, only to go into entirely unknown (but still anticipated, don't get me wrong) territory next month. It felt jarring, and as if we could've had more space for any of the threads seeded in the past two months.
...I mean..
The emotional tugging that was obviously present in the script is very well handled by Tramontano and Lafuente, of course, as I say above, but in this particular instance it was not enough for me to fully enjoy the book, overwhelmed by the frustration of a recurring writing device in Roberts' approach to 'overstory', if you will. Let's see how he'll Get Away with this one, next month.
. 
½ out of
½ out of
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910715)
Posted by Randomhero on September 13th, 2017 @ 2:06pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on September 13th, 2017 @ 2:06pm CDT
This is once again a red dwarf/Star Trek knock off story. This is Star Trek 5. It's freaking Star Trek 5!!! A machine(Sybock) that can literally take away your grief and pain.
Seriously a scene jumps with the corner saying "one brisk getaway later" yeah because it wasn't like the scene where they were escaping wasn't anything big. It certainly wasn't a secret cybertronian faction nobody has ever seen before under orders to track down and kill a couple characters that they were able to track and find at a bar in a heavily populated city so honestly tracking them to a space port would be nothing.
This is stupid. This is utterly stupid.
Nice to see scorponok back though. But it wasn't like it was too difficult to figure out it was him.
And the moment they said "we left Skids brain module" it was straight up: okay well skids will be back in a year or two either by the Cog faction or by that chick but Skids will be back
Seriously a scene jumps with the corner saying "one brisk getaway later" yeah because it wasn't like the scene where they were escaping wasn't anything big. It certainly wasn't a secret cybertronian faction nobody has ever seen before under orders to track down and kill a couple characters that they were able to track and find at a bar in a heavily populated city so honestly tracking them to a space port would be nothing.
This is stupid. This is utterly stupid.
Nice to see scorponok back though. But it wasn't like it was too difficult to figure out it was him.
And the moment they said "we left Skids brain module" it was straight up: okay well skids will be back in a year or two either by the Cog faction or by that chick but Skids will be back
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910725)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 3:22pm CDT
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on September 13th, 2017 @ 3:22pm CDT
So it looks like the Skid's revival plot is over for a good while. With the 3 parter coming up on the Lost Light itself I doubt we'll see much of Team Rodimus.
But what the hell where did Scorponok come from? Either way, I'm glad that he's there. I feellike he had a lot of story left after not seeing him like 8 years. His role makes a lot of sense considering what we've seen in MTMTE
But what the hell where did Scorponok come from? Either way, I'm glad that he's there. I feellike he had a lot of story left after not seeing him like 8 years. His role makes a lot of sense considering what we've seen in MTMTE
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910740)
Posted by SureShot18 on September 13th, 2017 @ 5:45pm CDT
Posted by SureShot18 on September 13th, 2017 @ 5:45pm CDT
I liked this issue quite a bit. It had some of the character stuff I love in this comic and it was entertaining. I will say that it felt like the issue ended way too abruptly though.
About that last page, I've only read MTMTE and Lost Light so it didn't have much weight besides "Oh that's Scorponok, I've heard people say that he's been gone awhile. I'd like to see him appear more in Lost Light for sure.
About that last page, I've only read MTMTE and Lost Light so it didn't have much weight besides "Oh that's Scorponok, I've heard people say that he's been gone awhile. I'd like to see him appear more in Lost Light for sure.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910749)
Posted by Soundwave902 on September 13th, 2017 @ 6:56pm CDT
Posted by Soundwave902 on September 13th, 2017 @ 6:56pm CDT
My theory for Scorponok is that just before his spark extraction, Overlord invaded and let him out. Afterwards, he fights in the gladiatorial combat arena until his second-to-last bout where he realizes no-one who faces Overlord comes. Scorponok then stole Skyquake's Worldburner (taking Grimlock with him to experiment on a 0.1 Percenter) which brought him to a hub which he has maintained. After becoming brainwashed, Grimlock is shot into space aboard a Worldburner aimed at Clemency, a presumed dead world, to serve as the Infinite's protector.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910750)
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 7:00pm CDT
In the original plans for LSotW, Scorponok was originally meant to be Overlord's right-hand man -- this was axed because they wanted to keep a bigger focus on lesser-known characters.
Regardless, I've no doubt his appearance here spins off from a revamped version of those plans or at least has something to do with Garrus-9
Posted by Kurona on September 13th, 2017 @ 7:00pm CDT
Soundwave902 wrote:My theory for Scorponok is that just before his spark extraction, Overlord invaded and let him out. Afterwards, he fights in the gladiatorial combat arena until his second-to-last bout where he realizes no-one who faces Overlord comes. Scorponok then stole Skyquake's Worldburner (taking Grimlock with him to experiment on a 0.1 Percenter) which brought him to a hub which he has maintained. After becoming brainwashed, Grimlock is shot into space aboard a Worldburner aimed at Clemency, a presumed dead world, to serve as the Infinite's protector.
In the original plans for LSotW, Scorponok was originally meant to be Overlord's right-hand man -- this was axed because they wanted to keep a bigger focus on lesser-known characters.
Regardless, I've no doubt his appearance here spins off from a revamped version of those plans or at least has something to do with Garrus-9
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910761)
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 13th, 2017 @ 8:31pm CDT
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 13th, 2017 @ 8:31pm CDT
Ooohh we are BACK baby! I defy anyone to read this issue and hark on about "mtmte not being like it used to" 
The reveals- both of them- on the final page are very exciting, even if I don't know too much about their backstory having only really read from DOOP onwards
I do feel that wipe-outs line on the last panel in which the main cast feature could have been given a moment to settle. A blank (non-dialogue) panel or something, just to have a beat after it. As it was, I was already reading the next scene before the emotional impact of the line hit me.
Also, given the unique nature of our new friend, this confirms the idea that the symbols reference the Guiding Hand (another one looks exactly like mortilus' face) and cements our current group as those following Adaptus, right? I do so love it when a theory comes together.
An odd choice of faction leader but then I don't know his IDW background much...
The reveals- both of them- on the final page are very exciting, even if I don't know too much about their backstory having only really read from DOOP onwards
I do feel that wipe-outs line on the last panel in which the main cast feature could have been given a moment to settle. A blank (non-dialogue) panel or something, just to have a beat after it. As it was, I was already reading the next scene before the emotional impact of the line hit me.
Also, given the unique nature of our new friend, this confirms the idea that the symbols reference the Guiding Hand (another one looks exactly like mortilus' face) and cements our current group as those following Adaptus, right? I do so love it when a theory comes together.
An odd choice of faction leader but then I don't know his IDW background much...
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910766)
Posted by Burn on September 13th, 2017 @ 8:55pm CDT
Posted by Burn on September 13th, 2017 @ 8:55pm CDT
So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910785)
Posted by Daniel Adkins on September 13th, 2017 @ 9:35pm CDT
WELCOME TO COMICS!
Posted by Daniel Adkins on September 13th, 2017 @ 9:35pm CDT
Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
WELCOME TO COMICS!
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910798)
Posted by ScottyP on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:30pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:30pm CDT
The good part about this one is that there's very little to remember. It was one of Furman's plots that got destroyed by AHM so it wouldn't shock me to see Roberts re-explain it or thoroughly retcon it to seem different than past perception would have allowed.Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910800)
Posted by Burn on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:40pm CDT
I'm well aware of how comics work thank you.
I just find these Transformer comics seem to like to throw back to some small plot point from years ago and we're expected to remember them.
Posted by Burn on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:40pm CDT
Daniel Adkins wrote:Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
WELCOME TO COMICS!
I'm well aware of how comics work thank you.
I just find these Transformer comics seem to like to throw back to some small plot point from years ago and we're expected to remember them.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910818)
Posted by Randomhero on September 14th, 2017 @ 12:13am CDT
Yes Scorponok certainly was just a small plot point years ago. He totally wasn't the dude who first introduced headmasters in IDW and was the mastermind behind the Machination an organization that was the behind a half the stuff going in the first 5 years of IDWs universe and wasn't the main villain in Maximum dinobots and certainty didn't play the main villain in monstrocity a couple years ago.
Such a nothing character to be forced to remember.
Real reason:
Because he's getting a new toy in a year or two and it's time to bring him back to build on it. There's your actual explanation.
Posted by Randomhero on September 14th, 2017 @ 12:13am CDT
Burn wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
WELCOME TO COMICS!
I'm well aware of how comics work thank you.
I just find these Transformer comics seem to like to throw back to some small plot point from years ago and we're expected to remember them.
Yes Scorponok certainly was just a small plot point years ago. He totally wasn't the dude who first introduced headmasters in IDW and was the mastermind behind the Machination an organization that was the behind a half the stuff going in the first 5 years of IDWs universe and wasn't the main villain in Maximum dinobots and certainty didn't play the main villain in monstrocity a couple years ago.
Such a nothing character to be forced to remember.
Real reason:
Because he's getting a new toy in a year or two and it's time to bring him back to build on it. There's your actual explanation.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910844)
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 6:37am CDT
Heck, is there anything to remember? We learned little to nothing about the Magnificence during Furman's run, nor did we see Scorponok having any interest in it; only focusing on his Headmaster stuff. This is just bringing in past elements in a new way that doesn't actually require you to remember anything but is a great nod to fans who have followed this long nonetheless. If anything, so far it's looking like a perfect example of how to bring something back.
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 6:37am CDT
ScottyP wrote:The good part about this one is that there's very little to remember. It was one of Furman's plots that got destroyed by AHM so it wouldn't shock me to see Roberts re-explain it or thoroughly retcon it to seem different than past perception would have allowed.Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
Heck, is there anything to remember? We learned little to nothing about the Magnificence during Furman's run, nor did we see Scorponok having any interest in it; only focusing on his Headmaster stuff. This is just bringing in past elements in a new way that doesn't actually require you to remember anything but is a great nod to fans who have followed this long nonetheless. If anything, so far it's looking like a perfect example of how to bring something back.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910853)
Posted by Va'al on September 14th, 2017 @ 7:19am CDT
All of that happened, at the latest, in 2009. That's 8 years ago.
Burn's complaint here is legitimate, and I don't understand why people are so annoyed about it.
I share the exact same thoughts as him on this issue, and I've been conductin research with non-TF readers to confirm my suspicions - and lo! if you weren't in at the ground floor, you simply don't care for most 'twists' or 'reveals'. I understand this is how comics work, I know IDW TF is not the only narrative that does it, but
It's A Legitimate Complaint.
Posted by Va'al on September 14th, 2017 @ 7:19am CDT
Randomhero wrote:Burn wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
WELCOME TO COMICS!
I'm well aware of how comics work thank you.
I just find these Transformer comics seem to like to throw back to some small plot point from years ago and we're expected to remember them.
Yes Scorponok certainly was just a small plot point years ago. He totally wasn't the dude who first introduced headmasters in IDW and was the mastermind behind the Machination an organization that was the behind a half the stuff going in the first 5 years of IDWs universe and wasn't the main villain in Maximum dinobots and certainty didn't play the main villain in monstrocity a couple years ago.
Such a nothing character to be forced to remember.
Real reason:
Because he's getting a new toy in a year or two and it's time to bring him back to build on it. There's your actual explanation.
All of that happened, at the latest, in 2009. That's 8 years ago.
Burn's complaint here is legitimate, and I don't understand why people are so annoyed about it.
I share the exact same thoughts as him on this issue, and I've been conductin research with non-TF readers to confirm my suspicions - and lo! if you weren't in at the ground floor, you simply don't care for most 'twists' or 'reveals'. I understand this is how comics work, I know IDW TF is not the only narrative that does it, but
It's A Legitimate Complaint.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910885)
Posted by ricemazter on September 14th, 2017 @ 8:59am CDT
Well, since AHM happened and forced everything Furman had built up to that point on the back burner, I can't blame anyone who doesn't remember him or care. (Even the whole introduction of headmasters thing has been retconned) I'd wager a sizeable portion of readers have only been reading since the beginning of phase 2, so they might only remember Scorponok from Monstrosity.
I haven't read the last two issues, but isn't this the second in a row that has ended on the reveal of a somewhat well known character we haven't seen in years being revealed as a big gasp moment?
Posted by ricemazter on September 14th, 2017 @ 8:59am CDT
Randomhero wrote:Burn wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
WELCOME TO COMICS!
I'm well aware of how comics work thank you.
I just find these Transformer comics seem to like to throw back to some small plot point from years ago and we're expected to remember them.
Yes Scorponok certainly was just a small plot point years ago. He totally wasn't the dude who first introduced headmasters in IDW and was the mastermind behind the Machination an organization that was the behind a half the stuff going in the first 5 years of IDWs universe and wasn't the main villain in Maximum dinobots and certainty didn't play the main villain in monstrocity a couple years ago.
Such a nothing character to be forced to remember.
Real reason:
Because he's getting a new toy in a year or two and it's time to bring him back to build on it. There's your actual explanation.
Well, since AHM happened and forced everything Furman had built up to that point on the back burner, I can't blame anyone who doesn't remember him or care. (Even the whole introduction of headmasters thing has been retconned) I'd wager a sizeable portion of readers have only been reading since the beginning of phase 2, so they might only remember Scorponok from Monstrosity.
I haven't read the last two issues, but isn't this the second in a row that has ended on the reveal of a somewhat well known character we haven't seen in years being revealed as a big gasp moment?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910888)
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 9:02am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 9:02am CDT
Nah. Flame showed up last issue as a sort-of-kind-of gasp moment, but only a few pages before the end and in a way that there was more going on to gasp about than just his being there. Instead, last issue ended on the revelation that Nautica had Skids' brain.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910890)
Posted by ScottyP on September 14th, 2017 @ 9:08am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 14th, 2017 @ 9:08am CDT
Not to mention Flame and Scorponok are miles apart on a scale of being recognizable to the average TF reader, even for Marvel UK fans that would more readily even know who the hell Flame is.
Wrestling analogy: LL 8 had Sandman return at the end, LL 9 had Kevin Nash show up.
If that doesn't register, Marvel analogy: LL 8 had Mr. Sinister show up, LL 9 had Juggernaut
Wrestling analogy: LL 8 had Sandman return at the end, LL 9 had Kevin Nash show up.
If that doesn't register, Marvel analogy: LL 8 had Mr. Sinister show up, LL 9 had Juggernaut
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910891)
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 9:18am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 9:18am CDT
Ooh, this game is fun!
Doctor Who analogy:-
LL8 had the Macra, LL9 had The Rani.
Either way, yeah, I totally get ya. Anyone who only read post-DOOP - heck, that's where I recommend to start reading - will have no clue who this is unless they're at least Level 2 of Transformers nerdery. I'm really looking forward to him running into Rodimus, Ultra Magnus and Grimlock again though Now, where the hell is Sixshot?
Doctor Who analogy:-
LL8 had the Macra, LL9 had The Rani.
Either way, yeah, I totally get ya. Anyone who only read post-DOOP - heck, that's where I recommend to start reading - will have no clue who this is unless they're at least Level 2 of Transformers nerdery. I'm really looking forward to him running into Rodimus, Ultra Magnus and Grimlock again though
Now, where the hell is Sixshot?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910908)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 14th, 2017 @ 10:44am CDT
I would love to see a Maximus-Scorponok story.
And yes, where is Sixshot?
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 14th, 2017 @ 10:44am CDT
That's not what Burn was talking about. Of course it's easy to remember Scorponok. But like Va'al said, the last time he was in IDW was nearly a decade ago. That's a long time in the comics world and we can't be expected to remember every little detail regarding the character, especially if the last main story he was in got just kinda pushed to the side by AHM. So just because you remember better than others, doesn't mean you should be condescending.Randomhero wrote:Burn wrote:Daniel Adkins wrote:Burn wrote:So once again I am expected to remember stuff that happened years ago?
WELCOME TO COMICS!
I'm well aware of how comics work thank you.
I just find these Transformer comics seem to like to throw back to some small plot point from years ago and we're expected to remember them.
Yes Scorponok certainly was just a small plot point years ago. He totally wasn't the dude who first introduced headmasters in IDW and was the mastermind behind the Machination an organization that was the behind a half the stuff going in the first 5 years of IDWs universe and wasn't the main villain in Maximum dinobots and certainty didn't play the main villain in monstrocity a couple years ago.
Such a nothing character to be forced to remember.
I agree with this 100%.Real reason:
Because he's getting a new toy in a year or two and it's time to bring him back to build on it. There's your actual explanation.
I would love to see a Maximus-Scorponok story.
And yes, where is Sixshot?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910927)
Posted by ScottyP on September 14th, 2017 @ 12:01pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 14th, 2017 @ 12:01pm CDT
With the Throttlebots set to return in Optimus Prime #13, I imagine we'll get at least some hint of this soon!Rodimus Prime wrote:And yes, where is Sixshot?
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910935)
Posted by Chibi Starscream on September 14th, 2017 @ 12:52pm CDT
Posted by Chibi Starscream on September 14th, 2017 @ 12:52pm CDT
I just started reading this and I'm really enjoying it.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910939)
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 14th, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 14th, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT
Very much agree with Rod that a max/scorp story would be delightful
Those two as faction leaders makes me nostalgic for the good old days of... reading marvel TBPs in the local library, over a decade after the issues were first published
Those two as faction leaders makes me nostalgic for the good old days of... reading marvel TBPs in the local library, over a decade after the issues were first published
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910941)
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 1:29pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 14th, 2017 @ 1:29pm CDT
Considering Maximus' rival in this is Overlord and considering we've now got the expanded universe going... throw Ginrai into MASK, give him an Optimus Prime suit and shoot him into space to kick Scorponok's ass!
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910967)
Posted by ScottyP on September 14th, 2017 @ 4:51pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 14th, 2017 @ 4:51pm CDT
Masterforce is such a natural fit for the Hasbroverse at this point, the lack of it could make you think it was Funpub writing these books.Kurona wrote:Considering Maximus' rival in this is Overlord and considering we've now got the expanded universe going... throw Ginrai into MASK, give him an Optimus Prime suit and shoot him into space to kick Scorponok's ass!
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910968)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 14th, 2017 @ 4:57pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 14th, 2017 @ 4:57pm CDT
Maximus/Overlord never felt right to me. Especially since it's been so one-sided. In LSoTW Overlord tortured and mutilated Maximus, and Max has never gotten revenge, even though it's been 6 years. Yeah, he got a couple of shots in on the Lost Light when Overlord escaped, but it nowhere near what Overlord did to him. So unless Max gets to rip Overlord apart (which I don't see happening, unless Max gets a huge upgrade, due to Overlord being a Phase 6-er) it's not a rivalry. Maximus and Scorponok go together much better.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1910973)
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 14th, 2017 @ 5:10pm CDT
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 14th, 2017 @ 5:10pm CDT
A huge upgrade you say? 
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911011)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 14th, 2017 @ 7:05pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on September 14th, 2017 @ 7:05pm CDT
Yeah, but that was temporary. 
It would be pretty cool to see Overlord take on a Maximus-driven Titan, even if the fight made Overlord look like the ultimate badass. But I guess it would be fair, since Overlord is a Phase-6-er.
It would be pretty cool to see Overlord take on a Maximus-driven Titan, even if the fight made Overlord look like the ultimate badass. But I guess it would be fair, since Overlord is a Phase-6-er.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911086)
Posted by Va'al on September 15th, 2017 @ 9:21am CDT
Posted by Va'al on September 15th, 2017 @ 9:21am CDT
Some fanning:
http://chrismcfeely.tumblr.com/post/165 ... at-tfcon-i
Original Milne sketch:
Final version:
http://chrismcfeely.tumblr.com/post/165 ... at-tfcon-i
Original Milne sketch:
Final version:
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911088)
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 15th, 2017 @ 9:28am CDT
Posted by ArmadaPrime on September 15th, 2017 @ 9:28am CDT
Ooh Va'al you do know how to spoil a man.
Honestly though I'd be almost tempted not to think too much into it. I feel like the symbols/guiding hand/clans thing has been a long-term plan of Roberts', in this case he likely just said "draw a mysterious faction symbol" without giving much detail until later in the process.
Which, now that I say it, doesnt at all sound like Roberts' MO, he's well known for having intricately detailed scripts. The thick plottens...
Honestly though I'd be almost tempted not to think too much into it. I feel like the symbols/guiding hand/clans thing has been a long-term plan of Roberts', in this case he likely just said "draw a mysterious faction symbol" without giving much detail until later in the process.
Which, now that I say it, doesnt at all sound like Roberts' MO, he's well known for having intricately detailed scripts. The thick plottens...
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911090)
Posted by Kurona on September 15th, 2017 @ 9:31am CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 15th, 2017 @ 9:31am CDT
Could also easily be early plans before he decided on something else.
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911117)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 15th, 2017 @ 11:04am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 15th, 2017 @ 11:04am CDT
Ok, so first, a recap of the stuff I had dug up on the mystery bots I posted last week (Skip through if you've already read)
And now, updated with the stuff we learned this issue, complete with thoughts:
Well, ok, so this issue has me torn in 2 very different fronts. For one thing, I have similar complaints to when we were dealing with the personality ticks: we are dealing with very outlandish stuff that to me really didn't work. That whole process felt sort of half-hearted and I wasn't that impressed with the whole bring Skids back to life thing. And then now Nautica doesn't even care about him, which kinda really sucks. It felt like yet another filler issue, and the same was said for Anode and Lugs part. There really wasn't too much weight behind it, and I felt like we got very little for what could have been.
Now mind you, the last 2 pages are where things really hit. At first, it was like the end of Sweath, where there is a huge reveal calling back to something really far back in IDW that elevated an otherwise lackluster story. But then, this is more than that. Think about it related to that large "overall bad guys post" that I posted in the LL thread last week. This isn't just finding the Necrobot, this is tying in a story that could be said to start back in Devastation era times. And it makes so much more sense that Scorponok, who was really missing and it was weird he was, being in G9 with all that stuff, and now he is the glue holding this entire story together. His rivalry with Grimlock is why Grim is involved. Scorp knew of Flame and his moral ambiguity and thus employed him. Scorponok has always tampered with life, and the Magnificence being involved with a story that has Hot Rod/Rodimus in it again, and it having been missing and being so much more than was thought. That last page was Swearth done right. It was a reveal that really sets things up for the rest of the series, tied so many over-arcing things together, and pulls strings dating back what 10,12 years? This is what Roberts is good at, and it is finally showing through. The last page got me back, pulled me back into that story. We are finally getting the payoff with thousands of clues that have been riddled in for over a decade.
IN SHORT OF LONG ASS POST
Things are falling in place, this is the sort of thing I like, Lost Light may be getting back on track. It just needs to stop the really strange stuff distracting us from the major things that only get a page or 2 dedicated to them
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:So I wanted to make this post in regards to the mysterious bots from issue 46 of MTMTE and that showed up again in LL #8. It's sort of a "track them through the issues" thing.
So:
First little thing was MTMTE 19's reveal of the constructed cold trials with Tyrest. Flame is on trial, and includes the desecration of bodies and other related crimes.
Story first really starts in Last Stand of the Wreckers. Overlord takes over the prison for over 3 years, and during that time Grimlock disappears and Flame must've disappeared too, as he was an Autobot and Overlord ordered all bots to be killed at the end (and they were), so he had to have been spirited away too. MTMTE issue 6 would also state that when Overlord was interrogating Fort Max, he stated that he didn't want Aequitus, he wanted what it was built to hide. We thought nothing of it at the time, but what if there was something, and that's where Grimlock and Flame went?
Forward to MTMTE 7 and 8 with the Scavengers. They find a symbol ship with aborted protoforms and a wooden robot (sound familiar LL 8 coffin bot?) along with Grimlock, who is brain damaged and basically doesn't even know who he is. He was used for something that damaged him internally, whether it be by actual surgical procedures or a case of Skids where his experiences damaged him emotionally/psychologically.
Potentially related but uncertain at this point: MTMTE 21. Skids sees through Tyrest's portal to cyberutopia. A spark that speaks in pictures, and the pictures include a bot and con symbol and the Lost Light, along with the "symbol" and 5 planets/moons, and the setting of cyberutopia is even 5 planets/moons. Pharma, who was already found by Tyrest, has his headless corpse pulled through by tentacles before it closes. Tyrest also disappears ala Magnus hand trick style. Star Saber teleports away half blinded and hasn't been seen or heard from since.
MTMTE 42 shows Thunderclash's map and the "symbol" again, and as it uses plug outlets for the symbol, it would appear to indicate that this is something related to power potentially.
MTMTE 46 shows the mysterious bots for the first time. More protoforms hidden by standard transformers practice who are protected by the mystery bots in exchange for hiding whatever operation is happening. Mention is made of another location, which is visited by the bots in issues 8 and 9 of LL. Also shows Grimlock drawing the symbol and writing a phrase that Drift would later see in his LL1 vision.
MTMTE 50 shows the bots discussing the symbol and the things they have learned about their quest. Indication is made that these symbol guys are part of one of the 5 clans of the Knights. we have also seen 5 planets/moons related to the symbol that is most prevalent.
MTMTE 54: Skids, the one bot who saw the other side of the portal and thus what the spark said, dies.
LL1: Drift has his vision that includes himself, Rodimus, and Grimlock facing off against Pharma and an army of Sparkeaters and symbol ships, with the message Grim was writing etched into the ground and it is raining those crystal things that in
LL5: we find out Rung's true purpose is to create these crystals, which is crucial in the process of birthing new cybertronians.
LL6: Anode is shown to be a blacksmith who crafts the crystals from Rung to allow for new cybertronians to be born.
LL8: mystery bots show up again, led by Flame, and they are still using a symbol ship and they are after blacksmiths who craft life while they are at a location where protoforms are being grown. There is also a robot who turns into a wooden coffin, killed by the black block consortia.
If I missed anything, please add to this!
And now, updated with the stuff we learned this issue, complete with thoughts:
Well, ok, so this issue has me torn in 2 very different fronts. For one thing, I have similar complaints to when we were dealing with the personality ticks: we are dealing with very outlandish stuff that to me really didn't work. That whole process felt sort of half-hearted and I wasn't that impressed with the whole bring Skids back to life thing. And then now Nautica doesn't even care about him, which kinda really sucks. It felt like yet another filler issue, and the same was said for Anode and Lugs part. There really wasn't too much weight behind it, and I felt like we got very little for what could have been.
Now mind you, the last 2 pages are where things really hit. At first, it was like the end of Sweath, where there is a huge reveal calling back to something really far back in IDW that elevated an otherwise lackluster story. But then, this is more than that. Think about it related to that large "overall bad guys post" that I posted in the LL thread last week. This isn't just finding the Necrobot, this is tying in a story that could be said to start back in Devastation era times. And it makes so much more sense that Scorponok, who was really missing and it was weird he was, being in G9 with all that stuff, and now he is the glue holding this entire story together. His rivalry with Grimlock is why Grim is involved. Scorp knew of Flame and his moral ambiguity and thus employed him. Scorponok has always tampered with life, and the Magnificence being involved with a story that has Hot Rod/Rodimus in it again, and it having been missing and being so much more than was thought. That last page was Swearth done right. It was a reveal that really sets things up for the rest of the series, tied so many over-arcing things together, and pulls strings dating back what 10,12 years? This is what Roberts is good at, and it is finally showing through. The last page got me back, pulled me back into that story. We are finally getting the payoff with thousands of clues that have been riddled in for over a decade.
IN SHORT OF LONG ASS POST
Things are falling in place, this is the sort of thing I like, Lost Light may be getting back on track. It just needs to stop the really strange stuff distracting us from the major things that only get a page or 2 dedicated to them
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911155)
Posted by snavej on September 15th, 2017 @ 12:44pm CDT
Posted by snavej on September 15th, 2017 @ 12:44pm CDT
So, if Mengel removed most or all of Nautica's feelings for Skids, surely that will have a knock-on effect in her mind. All thoughts in a mind are connected, sometimes in obvious ways and sometimes more subtly. I reckon that Nautica will be faced with further problems due to this memory deletion: a slow unravelling of the mind. She may find it harder to feel love/friendship for others in her circle. Of course, that will affect some characters around her. It all depends how much effect Mengel's machine had on her brain: how deep were the cuts, so to speak. 
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911835)
Posted by Big Grim on September 19th, 2017 @ 12:33pm CDT
That is a bitchin' idea! Love it!
Posted by Big Grim on September 19th, 2017 @ 12:33pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Considering Maximus' rival in this is Overlord and considering we've now got the expanded universe going... throw Ginrai into MASK, give him an Optimus Prime suit and shoot him into space to kick Scorponok's ass!
That is a bitchin' idea! Love it!
Re: Full Preview of IDW Transformers: Lost Light #9 (1911908)
Posted by ScottyP on September 19th, 2017 @ 10:14pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 19th, 2017 @ 10:14pm CDT
Rounding out the new covers seen on PreviewsWorld today are three covers for the upcoming and presumably delayed until October Lost Light #10. This first chapter in "The Mutineers Trilogy" will have a main cover available by Jack Lawrence, being seen here in color for the first time. Additionally, variant covers by Nick Roche and Marcelo Matere will also be available, the latter being a 10-copy Retailer Incentive cover. While covers don't always indicate the events to come, some readers may not be surprised by one of these new covers' depictions of the latest captain of the Lost Light as he deals with another famous Autobot! Check them all out mirrored below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest news on IDW's Transformers and Hasbro Universe comics.
(W) James Roberts (A/CA) Jack Lawrence
HOMECOMING! FIRST AID, the Autobots' Chief Medical Officer, returns to the Lost Light to find that everything has changed: the ship is now under the command of the treacherous GETAWAY, half of his closest friends are missing, and - most shocking of all - the crew is actually making progress...
