First Look at Transformers Titans Return Titan Master Loudmouth Transformation
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:12am CDT
Posted by Kurona on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:55am CDT
Was planning on picking the Titan Masters guys up anyway, but now I'm wondering if I could use their vehicles as substitute Targetmasters...
Posted by SG Roadbuster on June 3rd, 2016 @ 9:57am CDT
Posted by Collector Canine on June 3rd, 2016 @ 10:42am CDT
Kurona wrote:Hmmm.
Was planning on picking the Titan Masters guys up anyway, but now I'm wondering if I could use their vehicles as substitute Targetmasters...
I was too, but now I want the Titanmasters even more! Only because I love the massive amount of playability they give to the Titans Return toyline as a whole.
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 3rd, 2016 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by Overcracker on June 3rd, 2016 @ 2:53pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on June 3rd, 2016 @ 4:27pm CDT
DigitalBrave3 wrote:Kurona wrote:Hmmm.
Was planning on picking the Titan Masters guys up anyway, but now I'm wondering if I could use their vehicles as substitute Targetmasters...
I was too, but now I want the Titanmasters even more! Only because I love the massive amount of playability they give to the Titans Return toyline as a whole.
I know right? You don't even need one of the bases; just get a Deluxe and a Titan Master and already you've expanded playability. I really like this.
Posted by Brokebot on June 3rd, 2016 @ 6:49pm CDT
I guess it woulda been cool if the car transformed into a helmet that made the smaller head fit a larger class bot.
Posted by RiddlerJ on June 3rd, 2016 @ 7:17pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:24pm CDT
I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:42pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:45pm CDT
If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:49pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes
I don't know anything about the japanese stuff, I was just going by the logic that the brain would be in the head, so, swap the heads and swap personalities - or does the spark in the body contain the personality?
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 3rd, 2016 @ 8:51pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2016 @ 9:02pm CDT
In "The Rebirth", Brainstorm instructed his fellow Autobot pre-Headmasters to download their memories and personalities into the auxiliary memory circuits in their chests, so as to maintain them whenever their heads would be detached from their bodies.Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If going by the Japanese portrayal of Headmasters, then yes (which is what Option A would be). Option B would be like how The Rebirth had the bodies as the main robot mode identities, but that story never got to show what would happen if the characters ever swapped their heads around.Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think it might be that either A) the Titan Master class figures don't have a distinction between the identity of the robot and head modes (like, both the robot and head are Loudmouth, unlike the partnered Titan Masters like Hyperfire turning into Blurr's head), or B) the body's identity overrules any of the head identities (like, if you were to put Loudmouth on Blurr's body, the result would still be Blurr with a new head, even if it looks different from the head formed by Hyperfire).RiddlerJ wrote:I still don't understand these size class figures. So is Loud Mouth the name of the head mode or the little robot mode? Like Hyperfire is the name of the figure who forms Blurr's headmode.
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Like it's only blurr if the head that looks like blurr is on the body? Otherwise if you put loudmouth's head on blurrs body, it would be loudmouth, right? God, this is why we need solid fiction, at least on the boxes
I don't know anything about the japanese stuff, I was just going by the logic that the brain would be in the head, so, swap the heads and swap personalities - or does the spark in the body contain the personality?
In the Japanese fiction, the bodies were never alive, built as lifeless constructs for the smaller -bodied Autobots to transform into heads that would attach to and control.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 9:03pm CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.
I can handle it, if there's at least an explanation to the convoluted stuff, it's when there isn't any, that I get irritated
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 9:31pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.
I can handle it, if there's at least an explanation to the convoluted stuff, it's when there isn't any, that I get irritated
Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.
Also, we have had tons of English reviews for Fort Max, but theyw ere relegated to the review section of the site, so any further review can be posted there instead. I eprsonally really liked this one: titans-return-fortress-maximus-review-by-kathleen-s-klutter-t107070.php
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 11:02pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.
So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 11:09pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.
So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro
Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 11:12pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.
So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro
Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.
Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction
Posted by william-james88 on June 3rd, 2016 @ 11:13pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.
So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro
Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.
Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction
No no, they do, but there is no such thing as a headless body. If its headless, its in vehicle mode. That is different from the japanese fiction where headless bodies exist and are just husks.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 4th, 2016 @ 12:11am CDT
Posted by Wolfman Jake on June 4th, 2016 @ 12:59am CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 4th, 2016 @ 1:11am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.
And that's why we have the Titan Master Class: spare heads, should you lose one.
Posted by Railbomb on June 4th, 2016 @ 1:15am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Wouldn't Blurr or anyone else who needs a Titan Master to give them a complete robot mode be S.O.O.L. if none are around? They'd be "trapped" in alt mode. It's too bad they didn't just incorporate regular heads into the deluxe, voyager, and leader figures outright. You can hide them away and use the Titan Masters instead for the playability angle, but if you lose Titan Master, at least you would still have a toy that can form a full humanoid robot on its own. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is why Hasbro had been so hesitant until now to revisit the Headmaster idea.
You know, now that you say that I think the individual Titan Master packs are kind of their answer to losing heads. You lose one, you buy one. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up getting some of the alternate Japanese headsculpts early next year, giving kids just enough time to lose them, then offering a slightly different replacement.
EDIT: Of course someone else says this while I'm typing it out.
Posted by Hero Alpha on June 4th, 2016 @ 1:43am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Just so everyone is clear, Hasbro has stated in interviews that it is not using the Japanese transector fiction. The little headmaster is its own character, but the the robot mode for the full robot always includes its head. Meaning that there is no such thing as a transector. Its just Blurr with the headmaster giving him a stat boost. And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.
So, despite their attempt at play-style, the fiction directly contradicts that - dumb move hasbro
Not at all. Each head can give a headmaster better stats, they just always need to have a head in robot mode.
Oh, I thought this: 'And when he removes the head, he is in vehicle mode. There is no in between for Hasbro.' was literal, in that they weren't incorporating head-swapping into the fiction
No no, they do, but there is no such thing as a headless body. If its headless, its in vehicle mode. That is different from the japanese fiction where headless bodies exist and are just husks.
I think the way it works with Titanmasters is more like the head is a symbiote like Venom or Carnage in Marvel. They can move to different bodies and form a symbiotic bond where both personalities use the same body, kinda like Rebirth if they ever got around to switching heads.
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 4th, 2016 @ 3:09am CDT
What I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2016 @ 7:14am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?
I doubt it, Hasbro said not everything is connected to the comics. They are telling a story but through a toyline and surounding media can support aspects of it (but not all). The reason why they are titan masters is to differentiate the smaller robot from the larger robot. In G1 the headmaster both referrs to the small head robot and the toy in general. For example in G1: Horribul is a headmaster and he has a headmaster... wait what?
But now Blurr is a headmaster because he has a little titan master that becomes his head. And I guess them being small means they see the larger TFs as titans. Thats how I reasoned it. Especially if the leader size class can turn into cities for these little guys, just as titans like Metroplex would turn into cities for regular tfs.
Posted by bluecatcinema on June 4th, 2016 @ 7:25am CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.
Weren't the Americans the ones who actually came up with the concept, and it was the Japanese who "interpeted" it in their series?
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on June 4th, 2016 @ 7:42am CDT
bluecatcinema wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:This is why I never liked the American interpretation of headmasters.
Weren't the Americans the ones who actually came up with the concept, and it was the Japanese who "interpeted" it in their series?
Doesn't mean that the Japanese transtector ideas didn't work better
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2016 @ 8:11am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So... Put short and easy, this is Armada's Mini-Cons all over again. The main body provides the base stats, the head provides the boosts, and each is its own entity. Gotcha.
That is precisely how Hasbro sees it. Its a very toy driven line and uses these more oldschool concepts which I find quite fun. I dont mind a toy's fiction being relegated to elements only applicable to the toys themselves.
Posted by Batfan007 on June 4th, 2016 @ 8:16am CDT
I'm gonna buy Me a headmaster lose his head on purpose and dress him up as a headless robot zombie and he'll live forever with no personality to speak of.
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 4th, 2016 @ 8:29am CDT
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I would like to know though is why they are called titan masters. What is their connection to titans? Are IDW going to provide answers?
I doubt it, Hasbro said not everything is connected to the comics. They are telling a story but through a toyline and surounding media can support aspects of it (but not all). The reason why they are titan masters is to differentiate the smaller robot from the larger robot. In G1 the headmaster both referrs to the small head robot and the toy in general. For example in G1: Horribul is a headmaster and he has a headmaster... wait what?
But now Blurr is a headmaster because he has a little titan master that becomes his head. And I guess them being small means they see the larger TFs as titans. Thats how I reasoned it. Especially if the leader size class can turn into cities for these little guys, just as titans like Metroplex would turn into cities for regular tfs.
But what would the titan masters think about metroplex
Batfan@ Also we're allowed to go on a headmaster/titan master tangent here, this is the titans return thread
Posted by RiddlerJ on June 4th, 2016 @ 3:00pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 4th, 2016 @ 3:06pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?
Yes. It would still be Blurr, but with a special boost from whoever is his head. That actually works better than the transtector thing, because or else Blurr would just be a lifeless body, or he would be a small head giving life to a larger body. And thus he would never really be Blurr. The idea is Hasbro still wants these characters to be themselves. You can see that from the bios they give these toys:
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 4th, 2016 @ 3:26pm CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?
In a sense, the US and Japan are opposites when it comes to naming the complete bots:
US: Name depends on body
Japan: Name depends on head but carries the name of the larger bot in-fiction
Example: In the US, Chromedome with Arcana instead of Stylor would still be called Chromedome. But in Japan, the whole would be named Brainstorm, piloting Chromedome's body.
Posted by Ultra Mad on June 4th, 2016 @ 3:32pm CDT
Posted by SpacerAM2 on June 4th, 2016 @ 4:22pm CDT
Ultra Mad wrote:Do we have an idea of what will be the price range for Fortress Maximus at retail? I wonder if he will have a similar price to Metroplex (with inflation) a few years ago or just be a lot more expensive? I'm not really interested in paying twice as much as I did for Metroplex.
Fortress Maximus will retail for 179.99 in Toysrus. Keep in mind that Toysrus likes to raise the price within a week or so.
Posted by Ultra Mad on June 4th, 2016 @ 4:30pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on June 4th, 2016 @ 9:56pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?
Yes. It would still be Blurr, but with a special boost from whoever is his head. That actually works better than the transtector thing, because or else Blurr would just be a lifeless body, or he would be a small head giving life to a larger body. And thus he would never really be Blurr. The idea is Hasbro still wants these characters to be themselves. You can see that from the bios they give these toys:
It was the naming for the smaller figures that was throwing me off. So I guess Nightbeat is shrunk down to a little guy now.
Posted by Kurona on June 5th, 2016 @ 6:30am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:william-james88 wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?
Yes. It would still be Blurr, but with a special boost from whoever is his head. That actually works better than the transtector thing, because or else Blurr would just be a lifeless body, or he would be a small head giving life to a larger body. And thus he would never really be Blurr. The idea is Hasbro still wants these characters to be themselves. You can see that from the bios they give these toys:
It was the naming for the smaller figures that was throwing me off. So I guess Nightbeat is shrunk down to a little guy now.
Apparently that's what Hasbro is going for, yeah. Doesn't have to be though; this is just for the toyline, so you can easily go by your own... Headcanon
runs off into distance giggling inanely
Posted by Collector Canine on June 5th, 2016 @ 4:27pm CDT
Kurona wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:william-james88 wrote:RiddlerJ wrote:So, for example, Blurr is just the name of the body. Hyperfire and Nightbeat are the names of the heads. If either one would plug in, it would still be Blurr. Is that the idea?
Yes. It would still be Blurr, but with a special boost from whoever is his head. That actually works better than the transtector thing, because or else Blurr would just be a lifeless body, or he would be a small head giving life to a larger body. And thus he would never really be Blurr. The idea is Hasbro still wants these characters to be themselves. You can see that from the bios they give these toys:
It was the naming for the smaller figures that was throwing me off. So I guess Nightbeat is shrunk down to a little guy now.
Apparently that's what Hasbro is going for, yeah. Doesn't have to be though; this is just for the toyline, so you can easily go by your own... Headcanon
runs off into distance giggling inanely
That pun was painful. That aside, I will definitely be pretending these work like the Japanese fiction.
Posted by Va'al on June 6th, 2016 @ 6:04am CDT
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 6th, 2016 @ 6:08am CDT
Posted by Kurona on June 6th, 2016 @ 6:09am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 6th, 2016 @ 7:14am CDT
I like crash bash, his vehicle/Dino form/ gun looks really fun to play with. I still love the way the titan master forms the lower jaw and arms of the Dino. Wonder if clobber will come with a repainted version...
Posted by steals_your_goats on June 6th, 2016 @ 7:32am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I like crash bash, his vehicle/Dino form/ gun looks really fun to play with. I still love the way the titan master forms the lower jaw and arms of the Dino. Wonder if clobber will come with a repainted version...
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 6th, 2016 @ 7:35am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2016 @ 8:10am CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:That little Crash bash is very adorable. I'll probably skip over him and wait for Clobber, but that is a nice little mold
While i am very excited to own a bunch of titan masters, I think I will wait as well for Clobber. It a more fun head to toss around on bots and I wontbe getting 2 of each triple changer (unless prices drop like crazy again).
Posted by Noideaforaname on June 6th, 2016 @ 9:25am CDT
I wonder... how easy would it be to swap actual faces around on these things? I've decided to repurpose this guy as Vos, but Apeface has a far more appropriate, er, face. It *looks* like it might be a simple matter of undoing a single screw, so maaaybe? (if not, it's not like I was going to buy a larger figure to go all "wear my faaace" on anyways...)