First Look at Legacy Motormaster Robot Mode and Menasor Combiner Frame

I'm actually impressed, this toy looks awesome. I get that it doesn't fit the standards of a combiner to all, but I don't see it that way. I see it as Hasbro having a clear goal of reproducing the cartoon look in a new toy and acing that mission. And it will be more affordable than any 3p option.

Glorious. Just glorious. I'm as excited for this as I was for Rodimus last year.

I am actually impressed. and hay look, it still has combiner wars ports on it too. looks like on the legs, so maybe you can have some cross play there. defiantly Definitely going to have to get this one

Wait a sec, are those combiner port I see on the legs?

So he'd actually be compatible with the CW system.

william-james88 wrote:Wait a sec, are those combiner port I see on the legs?

So he'd actually be compatible with the CW system.

I immediately noticed that too. Based on where those are actually located in comparison to the torso mode I would say they appear like they could be. But those ports may be a bit smaller too.
I'm definitely intrigued by the possibility

It could be something similar to TT God Bomber. He came with CW ports on his legs, no real reason, but it definitely brought more fun and playability to the toy.

william-james88 wrote:Wait a sec, are those combiner port I see on the legs?

So he'd actually be compatible with the CW system.

I was hoping for that from the start since MM is the weakest part of the old Menasor set. Him I'd be tempted to replace.

Well, having savings was nice for a while, but Legacy Menasor looks shelf worthy....

... I don't mind the way Menasor combines, or even the whole Motormaster just being the cab. However I can't help but feel that the trailer proportions are just... Off for me. it's something Hasbro have a habit of doing, of note Earthrise Prime's trailer.
It's not something that'll bother everyone, but it's just something I'm not keen on.

If it does turn out to be truly CW compatible, then darn ya Hasbro, you got me. I creatively found a way to have 3 Scattershots anyway (I have the single CW release for Modulus, The CW set is "Betatron", and the UW version is the true Computron)

So I could have the Legacy Stunticons be the Autobots in Disguise

A point of persuasion for me is the solid looking hip/pelvis setup for the gestalt. It seems to be an actual oversized pelvis, not just two flimsy hinges covered with a little flap, cut in the shape of a pair of "underoos". This one looks like it's built to put into poses, and HOLD those poses. Which puts it far ahead of most of the CW gestalts.


Seriously, since G1, haven't we all been kind of embarrassed by the Menasor figures? G1 Menasor was tiny, and a study of cartoon IN-accuracy. And CW Menasor - see above, and still cartoon inaccurate. With Legacy, it looks like we may finally be getting a Menasor that won't stink up the joint.

They're just knocking it out of the park with the Stunticons. They were usually my second least favorite combiner team, but now I want them. I also don't mind the way they combine at all. I see it as a very smart way to manage combiner kibble.

The only thing that concerns me is the CW style connecting ports at the 'knees'. While I admit, having cross-line compatibility with CW figures sounds like a neat idea, the ratchets for the knee joints of the CW combiners were notoriously weak. They slide out of position and bend very easily when you put any degree of weight on them, which is one of the primary reasons why the CW combiners are always falling over.

I hope they do something to beef up those hinges/ratchets. Otherwise, for all the other things that would be good about this Legacy Menasor, he could still wind up falling on his face like a Jenga tower whenever you try to pose him.

I love it. I know the naysayers are going to say "that's a full robot without the cars!" and "that's not a real combiner because you're just putting cars on a frame!", but that all just feels like reaching. That is not a full bot, those arms are far too flimsy and the legs have gaping holes in them that I think can be covered with panels, but they're still way too thin to be convincing. I don't see how anyone can call that Menasor "frame" complete without the other four cars and that makes it a proper combiner in my book. The only argument I can really understand is that the leg cars attack to the back of the leg instead of the front with the car facing forward which is an aesthetic choice that I can't really argue against, I'm fine either way, but there was more than a few people displaying their CW Menasors with the leg cars (and the knees) backwards.

My only have two real complaints, one is dumb and one I think is legitimate. First, I don't like the gun, would have preferred single barreled. It looks like it can fold up, but I don't think that's just for storage. More legit concern is I think his thighs could be just a little thicker, they seem to small for such bulky lower legs (when the cars are attached).

Man, they sure are being stingy with the full on Menasor pictures, the box only showing the two figures that would be available at release.

Emerje

I saw a picture of Dragstrip transformed into an arm without the Motormaster frame, and seemingly attached to Combiner Wars Motormaster. This has made me wonder if the Legacy Stunticons (ALL the Legacy Stunticons) are retro compatible, and using the trailer for the G1 look is essentially optional.

Edit: I see female ports on the trailer as well as male ports, so I imagine Motormaster himself is not retrocompatible without it.

The Fan First Tuesday Panel is underway and we will be updating this post with images and reveals.

For now, we have a WFC artbook that will be coming out.







And a look at the making of Legacy Arcee



Deluxe Wave 2 toys: Wild Rider, Knockout, Tarantulas and Elita 1















































Legacy wave 2 Voyagers Jihaxus and Siege Soundwave without battle damage











Legacy wave 2 Leader class Blitzwing





Legacy Commander Class Motormaster (Menasor)

We recommend you watch the video since it shows something truly unique with the arm transformation. You do not separate the car mode before plugging it in, it separates after being snapped on as part of the arm transformation. The legs also have an automorph gimmick where pluging in the cars into the back of the leg close a panel to make it look like the underside of the car in grey, just like the cartoon did.



















Shaterred Glass Ultra Magnus / Delta Magnus

This acts as two characters in one since it comes with two heads, one being a skull for SG magnus and another being the actual Delta Magnus head. Hasbro really stepped it up a notch with this release to give fans what they want.











Preorders are up in an hour.

I must have that book.

I'm impressed with those deluxes. Looking good. And yeah, Motormaster will also be a purchase.

While I'm still not a fan of the combination...hot damn that is a GOOD looking Motormaster, leagues above the CW version in sculpt and articulation. And...honestly, the Menasor frame make a good looking base that matches Laser Prime's and Roddy Prime's trailer bases, so I actually genuinely like how this came out.
Those CW ports do seem to possibly imply that maaaaaaybe we might be able to have proper integration of Stunticon limbs, if we still have their CW versions! (I know I do)
Seems rather clever, if that is indeed what it's implying, that way fans probably won't have to truly replace their CW stunt boys - maybe this helps with wanting to display Menasor and the Stunticons all together, heheh!

Soundwave is the Siege version after all! I heard a thousand groans, cries, and curses from around the world when they did the reveal.

Also wowza, those upcoming deluxes look really nice too, I actually was afraid Knock Out would turn out ugly, but it looks really neat as a "G1-ified" version. Tarantulas likewise is going to be a very nice addition to my collection...plus Elita-1's vehicle mode looks adorable.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Soundwave is the Siege version after all! I heard a thousand groans, cries, and curses from around the world when they did the reveal.

lol I was one of them. Why the hell?? (And I don't even need it)

Interesting point they mentioned about Legacy is that John Warden was involved in its creation as designs go back to 2019 (as you can see in the art for Arcee that Will posted above).

Knock Out is what we expected and it is said that he's indeed a retool of SS Jazz.

Tarantulas looks incredible! I'm super excited about him!

Elita 1 is probably the best version yet. They describe her as being a sort of dune buggy. It's obvious how Minerva will be made out of her, especially after they revealed the extended shoulder option from her backpack.

Voyager Jhiaxus is basically perfect, all the way down to the wings on his legs and G2 symbol! I was eyeing him in the background as soon as the stream started.

Soundwave is a refresh from the WFC Netflix figure as expected, not the Prime character, but they removed the battle damage like they did Galvatron. I'll probably get him since my original Netflix figure has a bum foot.

Nothing new with Blitzwing, but I didn't realize the Hulk Hands pop off the arm with a 5mm peg so there's some interesting things that can be done there.

Menasor looks sooooo good with the arm and leg cars connected. Also there is no way to shut the panels on the lower legs without the car attached so the frame remains open. The arm transformation is really cool, it's very involved. Love it!

What a Decepticon heave reveal!

Emerje

Elita, Tarantulus, and Jhiaxus look awesome

The Legacy Stunticons will be a genuine mini MP without having to spend a zillion roubles in 3P toys. Plus with that principle, he shouldn't be a floppy mess like the old CW.

Can't wait!

Love the G1 accurate Elita 1! I really didn't expect that.
I'm really liking Tarantulas, although his proportions seem a tad off. What surprised me is that he's an entirely new mold! I fully expected him to be just a Blackarachnia retool. They're taking the whole "realistic altmodes" thing quite seriously, love it.
JHIAXUS IS AMAZING! I love him! I can't believe he exists!
And the Stunticons are just perfect

Tarantulus looks OK. Yes, the proportions are a little off. But look at Kingdom Scorponok and say that HE was any better .

Looking forward to trying to corral the Legacy Stunticons.

Will Knockout be compatible with the Legacy Menasor frame?

DeathReviews wrote:Will Knockout be compatible with the Legacy Menasor frame?

What? Why would he? He's a retool of Jazz.

DeathReviews wrote:Will Knockout be compatible with the Legacy Menasor frame?

no

That arm transformation for menasor really impressed me. That's like a step higher for a combiner, integrating two components to then transform them together as one. They asked if that's a first for transformers and it is not, since Tidal Wave also had that. But it is hard to do and really cool.

Loving that Tarantulus figure.

DeathReviews wrote:Will Knockout be compatible with the Legacy Menasor frame?

Doubtful. He's supposed to be a retool of Jazz. The Stunticons are all-new molds.

Elita looks alright, the vehicle mode made me chuckle. Looks a bit derpy.

I'm looking forward to Tarantulas, looks like they got the mold right, but he should be a bit darker shade of purple. No Inferno?

I knew Soundwave was coming, but it still irks me just a bit we didn't get the 'clean' version right away.

Delta Magnus: YES! Jhiaxus: HELL YES!

AcademyofDrX wrote:Soundwave is the Siege version after all! I heard a thousand groans, cries, and curses from around the world when they did the reveal.

haha, I heard that groan too.

Granted, that is exactly what the description said it would be, a package refresh of the soundwave and so the only option was that siege one.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I knew Soundwave was coming, but it still irks me just a bit we didn't get the 'clean' version right away.

Delta Magnus: YES! Jhiaxus: HELL YES!

Why it wouldn't be the Earthrise version vexes me (not that I need it).

TRIPLE YES on the other two! 1 o'clock can't get here fast enough.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:Will Knockout be compatible with the Legacy Menasor frame?

Doubtful. He's supposed to be a retool of Jazz. The Stunticons are all-new molds.

Elita looks alright, the vehicle mode made me chuckle. Looks a bit derpy.

I'm looking forward to Tarantulas, looks like they got the mold right, but he should be a bit darker shade of purple. No Inferno?

I knew Soundwave was coming, but it still irks me just a bit we didn't get the 'clean' version right away.

Delta Magnus: YES! Jhiaxus: HELL YES!

Inferno and Dragon Megatron are wave three.

Tarantulus looks great, just makes it more a pity they didnt give blackarachnia her spider face bits. Tarsantulus really wouldnt suit a toy/black arachnia redeco but i'd be tempted just to have blackarachnia.

Knock out looks great, cthru plastic headlights? YAY going back to being more genertations feel of figures and yet another great car mode which can't often be said.

Elita 1, meh. Might be more interested in the retool/minerva. It's not bad by any means just really superfluos at this point. Would prefer a RID strongarm or something.

Jiaxhus, looks Ugly in all the right ways. Picking him up but i'm kind of at a blank on his reuse or retooling down the line.

Shattered Glass Magnus, nope. Its a badly overpriced figure in the first place and doesnt really cut it as delta magnus with the head option if his shattered glass symbol cant be replaced.

Motormaster does well to hide how ugly dragstrip is with out having to pose hime awkwardly. Not sure if it showed the base have any kind of connectivity to anything and lack of a ramp is kinda disapointing. shame no optional little car with him for his chest. I'll likely pick him up if he goes cheap at some point.

Siege soundwave...yikes. even netflix mold is pretty bad but hey ho. Easiest pass of the line.

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I knew Soundwave was coming, but it still irks me just a bit we didn't get the 'clean' version right away.

Delta Magnus: YES! Jhiaxus: HELL YES!

Why it wouldn't be the Earthrise version vexes me (not that I need it).

Yeah I wish it was that mold in these colors. That figure was better repping the toy while the Siege version's dark blue legs are closer to the G1 comic. Now we just need a purple version in Selects

TRIPLE YES on the other two! 1 o'clock can't get here fast enough.

Yeah I'm waiting on that as well.

Yes to freaking all of those. Other than Soundwave as a re-release

Jehaxius lo9ks incredible.

Knockout is not as svelte as I would like but the car mode is spot on and all the bot mode details are there, so it's still a home run. Need a proper Breakdown for him as I don't th8nk he will work with the Prime one asthetically?

Elita is not be any means a perfect figure but this may be the first truly good G1 fembot in Generations now. With proper alt mode integration and a tolerable backpack. And it gives me hope now for the rumored Override.

On the whole I prefer integrated combines but they did a fantastic job with the menasor sculpt and the Motormaster trailer looks fun as all get out. Easily worth the trade off.

Will be going with Delta Magnus, and giving the other head to SG Prime to do the "Alas poor Uric... I really hated him" thing with.

Trantulas was an easy sell for me as well.

blackeyedprime wrote:
Shattered Glass Magnus, nope. Its a badly overpriced figure in the first place and doesnt really cut it as delta magnus with the head option if his shattered glass symbol cant be replaced.

The symbol is easily replaced, but I did notice that as well. The Kingdom version required me to buy a symbol.

It's a shame Soundwave isn't a repackage of the Netflix version, I think a lot of people would be happier with that. Instead, it's the Siege version without the battle damage and at the now higher price that Voyagers retail at... I imagine he'll be a bit of a shelf warmer tbh.

Jhiaxus looks good, little bit chunky in alt mode but robot mode looks great.

Menasor definitely looks good. I do feel his trailer seems a little short in alt mode but it more than makes up for it when in combined mode. I really like the way the rest of the stunticons connect to it and the added versatility of it as a toy by having CW ports on there too. Hopefully though, the ones on Menasor are stronger so we won't have any loose joint issues like most CW ones did

There were no reveals for Legacy Wave 2 Core Class, but I think it’s just repacks of Optimus Prime, Iguanus, and Megatron in G2 green and purple colors. Not an exciting line-up, so I get why they didn’t bother.

I’m very impressed with the Deluxe assortment for Legacy Wave 2, though! Elita One looks excellent. I appreciate the work that went into her design, even though they gave her an Earth mode instead of a more obviously Cybertronian vehicle. All of the color details are in the right spots, evoking a sense that Elita would have looked like this if she had come to Earth in the original cartoon. It’s also a nice touch that the (faux) helmet detail on the vehicle mode is removable, so you can have the G1 kibble or leave it off for a cleaner vehicle mode. The customizable backpack kibble is also welcome. I hope we do get another accessory pack in the future to provide her classic pistol weapon.

Tarantulas looks like a “Mini Masterpiece.” Enough said! I can’t wait to add him to my Predacon display. Wildrider looks very nice, especially in vehicle mode. Though not mentioned in the reveal, I suspect the backpack kibble in robot mode has multiple display options, like Elita One. It looks like you can opt not to split the fenders off from the hood to put the front car tires higher up, right behind the shoulders, for a more cartoon accurate look. Are his guns the same tooling from Dragstrip? It sure seems like it.

Knock Out looks great! The paintwork on the vehicle mode is the best we’ve ever had on a Knock Out figure. Again, like Bulkhead and Arcee, he’s been “Generations G1-ified,” which I’m all for. I love having iconic breakout characters from later Transformers series retro-fitted to the G1 design philosophy, to create a cohesive collection of a cast of Transformers characters. I know that’s not what everyone was looking for, but I’m loving it (and I can’t wait to see how Armada Starscream has turned out!). The robot mode doesn’t have all the shapes, flourishes, and details of the Prime character model, but he still exudes the same Knock Out personality of a vain and self-obsessed cosmetic surgeon turned field medic.

I’ll save my thoughts on the Voyager, Leader, and Commander reveals for another post, as this one is already a wall of text.

And here I thought I was going to be able to avoid most of the legacy line and save some money this year. But nooooooo. gotta give me too much awesome and force me to chuck my cash at them.

Honestly for me the best of the line falls to Tarantulus and Jhiaxus. Color me impressed that they didn't do Jhiaxus as a mold mate with armada Starscream again.

Something nobody has brought up yet that was mentioned in the stream is that the new SG figure is actually THREE characters in one!

Not just SG Ultra Magnus and Diaclone Delta Magnus, but also Magna Convoy as well!

Immortal Starscream wrote:Honestly for me the best of the line falls to Tarantulus and Jhiaxus. Color me impressed that they didn't do Jhiaxus as a mold mate with armada Starscream again.

That will only be confirmed when they reveal armada Starscream later this year.

Successfully pre-ordered MotorMaster, Wildrider and Blitzwing.

All of these new reveals appear to be available: https://hasbropulse.com/collections/new

So nab your faves before that horrible red "Sold Out" button appears...

Man that order hurt, and I didn't have to pay for anything. 2 Motormaster (on separate orders), 2 Delta Magnus on one order, 1 Wildrider, 1 Jhiaxus and 1 Elita-1. Deluxes generally don't require pre-order, but I may go back for a third just to secure them.

william-james88 wrote:

Immortal Starscream wrote:Honestly for me the best of the line falls to Tarantulus and Jhiaxus. Color me impressed that they didn't do Jhiaxus as a mold mate with armada Starscream again.

That will only be confirmed when they reveal armada Starscream later this year.

well he specifically mentioned it in the video, but anything is possible I suppose

Elita looks really nice. I may replace my 3P version with her. I think this is the first time I've thought an official version of her was done very well.

I may also get Tarantulus just to have. This one looks very nice.

william-james88 wrote:

Immortal Starscream wrote:Honestly for me the best of the line falls to Tarantulus and Jhiaxus. Color me impressed that they didn't do Jhiaxus as a mold mate with armada Starscream again.

That will only be confirmed when they reveal armada Starscream later this year.

We'll see. In the stream, Mark mentioned how the last Jhiaxus they did back in Thrilling 30 was a "partial" of Armada Starscream, and did so to contrast how this mold is purely Jhiaxus on his own, as if to say that they didn't want to repeat the history of Jhiaxus and Armada Starscream as mold-mates. But it's possible that that was a bit of misdirection on his part to try to throw us off on expecting another Jhiaxus/Starscream shared mold.

Jhiaxus! FINALLY!