First Look at IDW Transformers: Till All Are One

Well, that kinda spoils how All Hail Optimus is going to turn out...and apparently Bruticus might still happen?

Sigma Magnus wrote:Well, that kinda spoils how All Hail Optimus is going to turn out...

Does it? How so?

Well that's a damn good looking cover. Nice artwork!

Starscream's secret police would be cool if actual Transformers were used. All of the secret police look like men in grey clunky suits of armor. IMO the artists are too lazy to design any unnamed character that looks like it could actually Transform.

Look how good Blast Off looks with the QS head when you add a faceplate. That's all Hasbro had to do.


Also, all the Combaticons being in their CW bodies strengthens my suspicion that Swindle might not be dead...

While Scott writes a decent Starscream I am decidedly not a fan of her writing, at all. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but I wish Barber was at least co writing this series.

Star_ling wrote:While Scott writes a decent Starscream I am decidedly not a fan of her writing, at all. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but I wish Barber was at least co writing this series.

Nor am I. Personally I am not a fan of her writing in the slightest. I wish this was a team up book with Barber and Roberts. Let John work out the plots and have James handle personalities. She's not a bad writer but she's not a good transformers writer. Here's the first two Windblade volumes in a nutshell, "Starscream is bad, why? Because. Can you elaborate? No... He's just bad and he needs to be stopped." Sorry, I'm not a Starscream fanboy but he seriously has done nothing really awful to show he wants to build an empire like Windblade accuses him of" he's had the Enigma for a long time now and hasn't used it to build one combiner. Personally I think Starscream has changed. He's still a D-bag but he's not the monster Windblade accuses him to be. I am waiting for him to do something awful but so far he hasn't othe than be jealous of Optimus Prime.

I never believed Swindle was dead, I think Rattrap has him on life support somewhere but hey maybe he is and we'll get a new combaticon like how scoop has filled in for Scrapper. Long shot I know but you never know.

1984forever wrote:Starscream's secret police would be cool if actual Transformers were used. All of the secret police look like men in grey clunky suits of armor. IMO the artists are too lazy to design any unnamed character that looks like it could actually Transform.

Edit: Got rid of the first bit I see their mention in the description my bad.



Your logic makes no sense (it never does) the badgeless are supposed to be you know secret and your not supposed to know who they are I'm pretty sure it's just armor anyways that you can't transform in.


And you think this is lazy but honestly how would you design faceless mooks better then them huh?

Funny how it's Hasbro's Blast Off (plus faceplate) but Takara's Vortex (four rotors) with Hasbro's colors.

Randomhero wrote:
I never believed Swindle was dead, I think Rattrap has him on life support somewhere but hey maybe he is and we'll get a new combaticon like how scoop has filled in for Scrapper. Long shot I know but you never know.

If that ever turns out to be the case how about Hardtop?

You know this guy the brother and repaint of Swindle in Transformers Cybertron



http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hardtop_(Cybertron)

Shuttershock wrote:Funny how it's Hasbro's Blast Off (plus faceplate) but Takara's Vortex (four rotors) with Hasbro's colors.

Best of both worlds I guess?

Dr Va'al wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:Well, that kinda spoils how All Hail Optimus is going to turn out...

Does it? How so?

"Unsurprisingly fragile peace between Autobots and Decepticons"?

Deadput wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream's secret police would be cool if actual Transformers were used. All of the secret police look like men in grey clunky suits of armor. IMO the artists are too lazy to design any unnamed character that looks like it could actually Transform.

Edit: Got rid of the first bit I see their mention in the description my bad.
Your logic makes no sense (it never does) the badgeless are supposed to be you know secret and your not supposed to know who they are I'm pretty sure it's just armor anyways that you can't transform in.


And you think this is lazy but honestly how would you design faceless mooks better then them huh?

you're not supposed to know the secret police exist. It was never stated anywhere that we're not supposed to know who they are! And half the fandom can design secret police better than the blobs of lead IDW is trying to pass off as Transformers.

1984forever wrote:

Deadput wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream's secret police would be cool if actual Transformers were used. All of the secret police look like men in grey clunky suits of armor. IMO the artists are too lazy to design any unnamed character that looks like it could actually Transform.

Edit: Got rid of the first bit I see their mention in the description my bad.
Your logic makes no sense (it never does) the badgeless are supposed to be you know secret and your not supposed to know who they are I'm pretty sure it's just armor anyways that you can't transform in.


And you think this is lazy but honestly how would you design faceless mooks better then them huh?

you're not supposed to know the secret police exist. It was never stated anywhere that we're not supposed to know who they are! And half the fandom can design secret police better than the blobs of lead IDW is trying to pass off as Transformers.

For someone who none stop complains and acts like to troll about IDW you sure do know a lot about it.

Randomhero wrote:

1984forever wrote:

Deadput wrote:

1984forever wrote:Starscream's secret police would be cool if actual Transformers were used. All of the secret police look like men in grey clunky suits of armor. IMO the artists are too lazy to design any unnamed character that looks like it could actually Transform.

Edit: Got rid of the first bit I see their mention in the description my bad.
Your logic makes no sense (it never does) the badgeless are supposed to be you know secret and your not supposed to know who they are I'm pretty sure it's just armor anyways that you can't transform in.


And you think this is lazy but honestly how would you design faceless mooks better then them huh?

you're not supposed to know the secret police exist. It was never stated anywhere that we're not supposed to know who they are! And half the fandom can design secret police better than the blobs of lead IDW is trying to pass off as Transformers.

For someone who none stop complains and acts like to troll about IDW you sure do know a lot about it.

Can't.. breathe... laughing... too.. hard...

Obligatory OT insert....

I certainly hope Scott takes this chance to actually give some story to Screamer and Windblade. There was always a hint, I'd like to see more focus on it.

1984forever wrote: you're not supposed to know the secret police exist. It was never stated anywhere that we're not supposed to know who they are! And half the fandom can design secret police better than the blobs of lead IDW is trying to pass off as Transformers.

But the Badgeless are not secret at all they just do secret deeds thier existence is not secret but what they do is their like a real life Black ops team we know they exist but we don't know everything that they do.

This looks exactly what the fandom would make in fact this design looks a lot better then what one person could make up.





Then again you have a hate boner for everything IDW does and anything that was made after 1985 in fact I wouldn't be surprised if you liked Transformers: Deviations which most people agree is a bunch of turd.

Deadput wrote:

1984forever wrote: you're not supposed to know the secret police exist. It was never stated anywhere that we're not supposed to know who they are! And half the fandom can design secret police better than the blobs of lead IDW is trying to pass off as Transformers.

But the Badgeless are not secret at all they just do secret deeds thier existence is not secret but what they do is their like a real life Black ops team we know they exist but we don't know everything that they do.

This looks exactly what the fandom would make in fact this design looks a lot better then what one person could make up.





Then again you have a hate boner for everything IDW does and anything that was made after 1985 in fact I wouldn't be surprised if you liked Transformers: Deviations which most people agree is a bunch of turd.

Plus literally the first issue they are introduced, Starscream explains that they are badgeless and faceless so they can "enforce the law" without fear of reprisals in their off hours. So this is probably 84ever talking out his aft again.

Shuttershock wrote:Plus literally the first issue they are introduced, Starscream explains that they are badgeless and faceless so they can "enforce the law" without fear of reprisals in their off hours. So this is probably 84ever talking out his aft again.

But why is he here I thought he hates IDW Is he just a troll then?


I hate Beast Wars but I'm not going around every BW thread to say how awful the designs are (Not my actual problem)

Randomhero wrote:Here's the first two Windblade volumes in a nutshell, "Starscream is bad, why? Because. Can you elaborate? No... He's just bad and he needs to be stopped." Sorry, I'm not a Starscream fanboy but he seriously has done nothing really awful to show he wants to build an empire like Windblade accuses him of he's had the Enigma for a long time now and hasn't used it to build one combiner. Personally I think Starscream has changed. He's still a D-bag but he's not the monster Windblade accuses him to be.

...Did we read the same comics, because in the first Windblade volume the big reveal was that Starscream wasn't the bad guy. Yes, most characters generally think he's up to no good (he is infamous, after all), but volume 1 ends with Windblade concluding that it's better to cooperate with him.

As for the empire-building accusation - Starscream is legendarily power-hungry. We've seen it throughout IDW, and volume 1 made a point of Windblade spending much of her time talking to 'bots familiar with that legacy of greed and treachery. While flawed, (story seemed far too compressed - I'd imagine this is related to it being announced as an ongoing then shifting to a miniseries) volume 2 handled the Starsceam / Windblade dynamic quite well - shifting from competitive to tensely cooperative as the situation changed.

(Also, on the note of Starscream and awfulness, remember when he sicced Menasor on Caminus? Added an angry 'con to Menasor to make it more unstable? Tore the place up, killed a lot of innocent natives? 'Scream's still a monster, just less public about it.)

RevTibe wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Here's the first two Windblade volumes in a nutshell, "Starscream is bad, why? Because. Can you elaborate? No... He's just bad and he needs to be stopped." Sorry, I'm not a Starscream fanboy but he seriously has done nothing really awful to show he wants to build an empire like Windblade accuses him of he's had the Enigma for a long time now and hasn't used it to build one combiner. Personally I think Starscream has changed. He's still a D-bag but he's not the monster Windblade accuses him to be.

...Did we read the same comics, because in the first Windblade volume the big reveal was that Starscream wasn't the bad guy. Yes, most characters generally think he's up to no good (he is infamous, after all), but volume 1 ends with Windblade concluding that it's better to cooperate with him.

As for the empire-building accusation - Starscream is legendarily power-hungry. We've seen it throughout IDW, and volume 1 made a point of Windblade spending much of her time talking to 'bots familiar with that legacy of greed and treachery. While flawed, (story seemed far too compressed - I'd imagine this is related to it being announced as an ongoing then shifting to a miniseries) volume 2 handled the Starsceam / Windblade dynamic quite well - shifting from competitive to tensely cooperative as the situation changed.

(Also, on the note of Starscream and awfulness, remember when he sicced Menasor on Caminus? Added an angry 'con to Menasor to make it more unstable? Tore the place up, killed a lot of innocent natives? 'Scream's still a monster, just less public about it.)

Remember the ending of volume one when it was revealed Starscream wasn't the villain of it but Chromia was? She bombed an area of Metroplex, killing a lot of innocent people and then tried to spacebridge Metroplex back to Caminus which would have killed hundreds more Cybertronians and it ended with Winblade just slapping Chromias hands and saying "do it again and we can't be friends" wow...

Seriously the Plot of Windblade was "grrr Starscream is bad, we need to stop him! Why? Because a bunch of people at blurs bar say he is! Grrrr! We have to stop Starscream!" And then it was revealed he wasn't the villain of that series. How did that end? With Windblade making a deal with him to use the spacebridge if they cover up Chromia killing a bunch of people.

Chromia: I killed a bunch of people
Windblade: -GROAN- that's alright I guess just don't do it again please...

Seriously, that series was really bad.

Randomhero wrote:

RevTibe wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Here's the first two Windblade volumes in a nutshell, "Starscream is bad, why? Because. Can you elaborate? No... He's just bad and he needs to be stopped." Sorry, I'm not a Starscream fanboy but he seriously has done nothing really awful to show he wants to build an empire like Windblade accuses him of he's had the Enigma for a long time now and hasn't used it to build one combiner. Personally I think Starscream has changed. He's still a D-bag but he's not the monster Windblade accuses him to be.

...Did we read the same comics, because in the first Windblade volume the big reveal was that Starscream wasn't the bad guy. Yes, most characters generally think he's up to no good (he is infamous, after all), but volume 1 ends with Windblade concluding that it's better to cooperate with him.

As for the empire-building accusation - Starscream is legendarily power-hungry. We've seen it throughout IDW, and volume 1 made a point of Windblade spending much of her time talking to 'bots familiar with that legacy of greed and treachery. While flawed, (story seemed far too compressed - I'd imagine this is related to it being announced as an ongoing then shifting to a miniseries) volume 2 handled the Starsceam / Windblade dynamic quite well - shifting from competitive to tensely cooperative as the situation changed.

(Also, on the note of Starscream and awfulness, remember when he sicced Menasor on Caminus? Added an angry 'con to Menasor to make it more unstable? Tore the place up, killed a lot of innocent natives? 'Scream's still a monster, just less public about it.)

Remember the ending of volume one when it was revealed Starscream wasn't the villain of it but Chromia was? She bombed an area of Metroplex, killing a lot of innocent people and then tried to spacebridge Metroplex back to Caminus which would have killed hundreds more Cybertronians and it ended with Winblade just slapping Chromias hands and saying "do it again and we can't be friends" wow...

Seriously the Plot of Windblade was "grrr Starscream is bad, we need to stop him! Why? Because a bunch of people at blurs bar say he is! Grrrr! We have to stop Starscream!" And then it was revealed he wasn't the villain of that series. How did that end? With Windblade making a deal with him to use the spacebridge if they cover up Chromia killing a bunch of people.

Chromia: I killed a bunch of people
Windblade: -GROAN- that's alright I guess just don't do it again please...

Seriously, that series was really bad.

Yeah, not properly addressing Chromia's bombing in later issues is unquestionably a flaw, but I find it mystifying that you consider the anti-Starscream sentiment unwarranted. He was second in command to a brutal, tyrannical genocidal army that has killed billions, and even other members of that army think he's an untrustworthy lowlife.

Further, the series made it quite clear that the deal she cut with Starscream was not focused on protecting her or Chromia, but on ensuring a route to what Windblade believed a brighter future - the whole arc of the idealistic Windblade having to make severe shortterm moral compromises to support her ideals' longterm goals.

I'm looking forward to the story. Will be nice to have 3 ongoings again. Keep the frontiers different. And Bruticus!!

Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?

Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?

That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.


Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.

RevTibe wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

RevTibe wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Here's the first two Windblade volumes in a nutshell, "Starscream is bad, why? Because. Can you elaborate? No... He's just bad and he needs to be stopped." Sorry, I'm not a Starscream fanboy but he seriously has done nothing really awful to show he wants to build an empire like Windblade accuses him of he's had the Enigma for a long time now and hasn't used it to build one combiner. Personally I think Starscream has changed. He's still a D-bag but he's not the monster Windblade accuses him to be.

...Did we read the same comics, because in the first Windblade volume the big reveal was that Starscream wasn't the bad guy. Yes, most characters generally think he's up to no good (he is infamous, after all), but volume 1 ends with Windblade concluding that it's better to cooperate with him.

As for the empire-building accusation - Starscream is legendarily power-hungry. We've seen it throughout IDW, and volume 1 made a point of Windblade spending much of her time talking to 'bots familiar with that legacy of greed and treachery. While flawed, (story seemed far too compressed - I'd imagine this is related to it being announced as an ongoing then shifting to a miniseries) volume 2 handled the Starsceam / Windblade dynamic quite well - shifting from competitive to tensely cooperative as the situation changed.

(Also, on the note of Starscream and awfulness, remember when he sicced Menasor on Caminus? Added an angry 'con to Menasor to make it more unstable? Tore the place up, killed a lot of innocent natives? 'Scream's still a monster, just less public about it.)

Remember the ending of volume one when it was revealed Starscream wasn't the villain of it but Chromia was? She bombed an area of Metroplex, killing a lot of innocent people and then tried to spacebridge Metroplex back to Caminus which would have killed hundreds more Cybertronians and it ended with Winblade just slapping Chromias hands and saying "do it again and we can't be friends" wow...

Seriously the Plot of Windblade was "grrr Starscream is bad, we need to stop him! Why? Because a bunch of people at blurs bar say he is! Grrrr! We have to stop Starscream!" And then it was revealed he wasn't the villain of that series. How did that end? With Windblade making a deal with him to use the spacebridge if they cover up Chromia killing a bunch of people.

Chromia: I killed a bunch of people
Windblade: -GROAN- that's alright I guess just don't do it again please...

Seriously, that series was really bad.

Yeah, not properly addressing Chromia's bombing in later issues is unquestionably a flaw, but I find it mystifying that you consider the anti-Starscream sentiment unwarranted. He was second in command to a brutal, tyrannical genocidal army that has killed billions, and even other members of that army think he's an untrustworthy lowlife.

Further, the series made it quite clear that the deal she cut with Starscream was not focused on protecting her or Chromia, but on ensuring a route to what Windblade believed a brighter future - the whole arc of the idealistic Windblade having to make severe shortterm moral compromises to support her ideals' longterm goals.

I like you, RevTibe.

Deadput wrote:

Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?

That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.


Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.

And you didn't even answer my question.

Rainmaker wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?

That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.


Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.

And you didn't even answer my question.

What is it with everyone being confrontational in here? Chill out, all of you.


Swindle is allegedly dead. The graffiti SWINDLE LIVES was seen in the final issue. If you read the interview with Sara Pitre-Durocher, she does tease the arrival/return of Bruticus.

As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?

Dr Va'al wrote:

Rainmaker wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?

That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.


Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.

And you didn't even answer my question.

What is it with everyone being confrontational in here? Chill out, all of you.


Swindle is allegedly dead. The graffiti SWINDLE LIVES was seen in the final issue. If you read the interview with Sara Pitre-Durocher, she does tease the arrival/return of Bruticus.

As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?

Kind of looks like an off colored Obsidian, Elita One's second in command on Carcer.

Bounti76 wrote:

Dr Va'al wrote:
As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?

Kind of looks like an off colored Obsidian, Elita One's second in command on Carcer.

DING DING DING.

Thanks!

Dr Va'al wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:

Dr Va'al wrote:
As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?

Kind of looks like an off colored Obsidian, Elita One's second in command on Carcer.

DING DING DING.

Thanks!

To be fair Obsidian has been colored different since the beginning lol. I wasn't a fan of the coloring on Windblade 2. It'd be nice to get josh burcham to color this. I'd say Johana or Josh Perez but buy those two at busy as hell now.

I guess it's not awful, it's not Andrew Dahlhouse or James Brown bad but it's not that great.

Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?

^This is part of my problem... I understand that artists all want to do their own renditions of a character, but when they become unrecognizable (and obviously from above its not just me) that's when I start to lose interest. TF (previously RiD) stayed pretty true to most character designs. But for me MTMTE just went way too far off, which is why, despite it being a fan favorite, I don't really care for it. This new "TAAO" looks interesting as it is basically what TF/RiD used to be prior to Windblade. The Hasbro CW Combaticons are quite obvious as is Starscream, Windblade, Ironhide & Rattrap. But even "I" was a little hard pressed to see the pink fembot as Elita-1 (It would have been my first guess sure, but it still took me longer than average). And the new con next to her...I have no idea who that is... Looks a bit like BM Strika

This looks interesting and hopefully it will last longer than its predecessor. I don't get the hate for the previous series though, I quite liked how starscream was portrayed, as to him not having any combiners, he probably expected to keep superion and he does have the terrorcons around somewhere...

RevTibe wrote:Yeah, not properly addressing Chromia's bombing in later issues is unquestionably a flaw, but I find it mystifying that you consider the anti-Starscream sentiment unwarranted. He was second in command to a brutal, tyrannical genocidal army that has killed billions, and even other members of that army think he's an untrustworthy lowlife.

Further, the series made it quite clear that the deal she cut with Starscream was not focused on protecting her or Chromia, but on ensuring a route to what Windblade believed a brighter future - the whole arc of the idealistic Windblade having to make severe shortterm moral compromises to support her ideals' longterm goals.

To be fair its not that it is unwarranted but that most characters are given a chance to prove themselves and at times Starscream is shown to be an exception (depending on how he is written). I mean Megatron of all people is getting his chance at redemption while having been responsible for far worse.

Plus Windblade is doing the same thing as Starscream, covering up the truth because she feels its for the better good in the long run. If the story actually goes in a interesting direction sure, though I don't know if it will be.

Star_ling wrote:To be fair its not that it is unwarranted but that most characters are given a chance to prove themselves and at times Starscream is shown to be an exception (depending on how he is written). I mean Megatron of all people is getting his chance at redemption while having been responsible for far worse.

Yeah, Starscream's often handled as a stock, static character in fiction - I suppose that's a consequence of characters being polished into a simple archetype as they're handed from continuity to continuity. Still, IDW's King Starscream might be the most thorough exploration the character's received. Despite Windblade Vol. 2's truncated feel, it's been fun seeing him develop from his Vol. 1 self, particularly the "cooperative rivalry" his and Windblade's interactions have become, rather than outright antagonism. As for proving himself; his secret police, threats, black flag operations and hidden prison are certainly proving his character! (Not saying that's somehow a negative - it's part of what's making him an interesting character to read.)

Dr Va'al wrote:I like you, RevTibe.

Appreciated! "We aim to maim please!"

RevTibe wrote:

Star_ling wrote:To be fair its not that it is unwarranted but that most characters are given a chance to prove themselves and at times Starscream is shown to be an exception (depending on how he is written). I mean Megatron of all people is getting his chance at redemption while having been responsible for far worse.

Yeah, Starscream's often handled as a stock, static character in fiction - I suppose that's a consequence of characters being polished into a simple archetype as they're handed from continuity to continuity. Still, IDW's King Starscream might be the most thorough exploration the character's received. Despite Windblade Vol. 2's truncated feel, it's been fun seeing him develop from his Vol. 1 self, particularly the "cooperative rivalry" his and Windblade's interactions have become, rather than outright antagonism. As for proving himself; his secret police, threats, black flag operations and hidden prison are certainly proving his character! (Not saying that's somehow a negative - it's part of what's making him an interesting character to read.)

Dr Va'al wrote:I like you, RevTibe.

Appreciated! "We aim to maim please!"

No I don't see that as a negative either as he is being true to form but I would certainly like to see a version of his character actually successfully maintain leadership. He certainly has been put through the wringer and I want to see them go somewhere else with him besides constant failure. IDW has been doing interesting things with known and beloved TFs (don't know how I feel about where Megatron is going) so I hope they don't waste him.

Star_ling wrote:No I don't see that as a negative either as he is being true to form but I would certainly like to see a version of his character actually successfully maintain leadership. He certainly has been put through the wringer and I want to see them go somewhere else with him besides constant failure. IDW has been doing interesting things with known and beloved TFs (don't know how I feel about where Megatron is going) so I hope they don't waste him.

Totally agree with you there - I hope his political career lasts a good, long time. Love seeing him as the leader, and it means neither the Autobots or Decepticons are dominating the other/totally comfortable, and some 'bots and 'cons can hang out on occasion (Swindle hanging out at Blurr's bar was great).

Who knows, if/when Starscream is removed from leadership, it might be somewhat respectable - choosing to retire after a year or two more of comics, or somesuch. At this point, I think IDW's really cemented that we're not going back to the old "Evil Megatron and his sneaky lieutenant, Starscream," status quo - far too much has changed.

Despite the first issue not being even close to release yet, Comicosity has received an exclusive look from IDW at the upcoming Till All Are One issue 2 covers - including the ROM Spaceknight variant - just before the new solicitations are to hit (expect them within 48 hours of this news post). Check out below where the series intends to go!

Transformers: Till All Are One #2
Mairghread Scott (w) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (a & c)
PANIC ON THE STREETS OF CYBERTRON! As STARSCREAM’S secret police continue on their rampage, IRONHIDE is caught between the BADGLESS and a population looking for retribution!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Transformers: Till All Are One #2—ROM Variant
Mairghread Scott (w) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (a) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (c)
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet points:

• CYBERTRON takes center stage—can STARSCREAM hold on while power slips through his fingers?
• Fan favorite character WINDBLADE tries to keep the peace!
• Part of IDW’s month-long variant cover program, celebrating the return of ROM!
• Variant cover by Carlos Valenzuela!

Yay for Ironhide taking center stage!

Do we even have a date for the first issue yet? I can't recall getting one...

Railbomb wrote:Do we even have a date for the first issue yet? I can't recall getting one...

It was part of the June Solicits

Windblade? Fan favourite?

Genericon #378 wrote:Windblade? Fan favourite?

Just because a few dozen people loudly state their dislike for a character doesn't mean their not popular as a whole Bumblebee is one such example.

I like windblade. I dont think she is always written well, but I can say that for lots of characters.

Optimizzy wrote:I like windblade. I dont think she is always written well, but I can say that for lots of characters.

Written well and Transformers?


For stories maybe but many characters are underdeveloped or are just personality quirks and tropes personified to fill in the story that needs to be told.

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

Deadput wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

I personally don't think she's written well. Her and Chromia both have been around for 2 years in the comics and neither have much character. Nautica has had fewer appearances and she oozing with character and yes, that's because of James Roberts who's strongest writing ability is giving characters unique personalities. I'd even argue Aileron has more personality than Windblade, a character who has had 2 miniseries about her and all we get from those is "I don't like starscream"

Deadput wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

Yeah I was just messing, but seriously though. You bring up a great example in armada starscream. I mean yes. He is a great character, but he also just has a role to fill. Relatively speaking, he's a far better character than say, Huffer, but he still fills a role in the show, one which we've seen in other movies/ shows and in classic Japanese cinema too. Its still "to sell toys". Starscream was just a better nuanced character. Not arguing with you, I see your point and agree. There are just many shades (50?) to that thought.

Relatively, any nuanced character can be boiled down to basic elements. And basic elements can be expanded into nuanced characters. Which, incidentally, is what I think IDW has done a great job doing.

Randomhero wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified

in the end, arent we all?

Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.


Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)

I personally don't think she's written well. Her and Chromia both have been around for 2 years in the comics and neither have much character. Nautica has had fewer appearances and she oozing with character and yes, that's because of James Roberts who's strongest writing ability is giving characters unique personalities. I'd even argue Aileron has more personality than Windblade, a character who has had 2 miniseries about her and all we get from those is "I don't like starscream"

I disagree on that: she's an ambassador, a (relative) pacifist, a diplomat, skilled in battle, clearly caring and trying to understand the multiple cultures and individuals she's encountered so far. The second Windblade series was not really about her at all, as it was slid into Combiner Wars, and fell as the page number shrunk.

So while, yes, there are some flaws in the execution, as I noted at the time in reviews, too, I don't think she's the one that takes the most of the brunt.

But she definitely does not like Starscream.

Genericon #378 wrote:Windblade? Fan favourite?

Yeah, I know right...

She has not lived up to the Hasbro Hype but that might have more to do with Mairghread Scott's mediocre story telling thus far.

A couple months will tell if she's finally stepped her game up.