First Image of MP-49 Shows a Black Prime Redeco and Price Revealed to be $255
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As anyone and their grandma could have guessed, MP-49 Masterpiece Black Convoy will be a redeco of MP-44 Optimus Prime 3.0. An image has surfaced on the weibo account Momo. The price was also revealed to be 28000 yen, which is around $255 USD. This is much cheaper than the original version because, as the image shows, there is no trailer accessory. The image itself seems to have been cut out of its background since some parts have been shaved off, making it a terrible first look at the figure. But at least it gives us an idea of what we will get, which is your standard black redeco with teal highlights and red windows. Unlike the previous black prime MP, this might not be an exclusive, so it could be available from Japanese sellers such as Amazon Japan who tend to sell it for less than MSRP. We first heard of this toy through a listing from site sponsor BBTS.
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Posted by SkyFire Prime on November 29th, 2019 @ 11:49pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 30th, 2019 @ 12:13am CST
Posted by Randomhero on November 30th, 2019 @ 12:21am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is that a on his shoulder? If so, it's simply Optimus Prime in black, not Nemesis Prime.
Yeah. That’s why it’s called black convoy. Not nemesis prime or scourge. It’s black convoy. He’s a thing that exists.
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on November 30th, 2019 @ 12:47am CST
Randomhero wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is that a on his shoulder? If so, it's simply Optimus Prime in black, not Nemesis Prime.
Yeah. That’s why it’s called black convoy. Not nemesis prime or scourge. It’s black convoy. He’s a thing that exists.
...Black Convoy is a frequent Japanese name for Nemesis Prime though (and RID Scourge).
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 30th, 2019 @ 5:15am CST
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Randomhero wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is that a on his shoulder? If so, it's simply Optimus Prime in black, not Nemesis Prime.
Yeah. That’s why it’s called black convoy. Not nemesis prime or scourge. It’s black convoy. He’s a thing that exists.
...Black Convoy is a frequent Japanese name for Nemesis Prime though (and RID Scourge).
It's confusing but there has been Japanese repaints of prime that are just Optimus in a black paint job as a (terrible) disguise so he can infiltrate the cons. Nucleon Quest Convoy for example, a black repaint of God Ginrai. If that symbol is a con in the final release then it's just Nemesis/Scourge, if it stays a Bot one, then it's just Optimus.
Posted by frogbat on November 30th, 2019 @ 5:24am CST
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on November 30th, 2019 @ 5:57am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Randomhero wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is that a on his shoulder? If so, it's simply Optimus Prime in black, not Nemesis Prime.
Yeah. That’s why it’s called black convoy. Not nemesis prime or scourge. It’s black convoy. He’s a thing that exists.
...Black Convoy is a frequent Japanese name for Nemesis Prime though (and RID Scourge).
It's confusing but there has been Japanese repaints of prime that are just Optimus in a black paint job as a (terrible) disguise so he can infiltrate the cons. Nucleon Quest Convoy for example, a black repaint of God Ginrai. If that symbol is a con in the final release then it's just Nemesis/Scourge, if it stays a Bot one, then it's just Optimus.
What I meant was, until recently, Black Convoy was one of the main Japanese names for Nemesis Prime/Scourge characters, so this fits right in with that. And yeah, Optimus himself has donned a black paint job to infiltrate the Decepticons before, but when he's doing that, he's also usually wearing Decepticon insignia, like with the United Black Optimus Prime figure. Plus, RID Scourge had upside-down blacked-out G2 Autobot emblems, so it's not like Nemesis Primes haven't worn Autobot emblems before (without going out and searching every black repaint of Optimus Prime, I'm sure there are other examples). Taking all that into account, I don't really think the insignia is gonna have much bearing on what specific character this is supposed to be.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 30th, 2019 @ 7:01am CST
Posted by william-james88 on November 30th, 2019 @ 7:20am CST
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Taking all that into account, I don't really think the insignia is gonna have much bearing on what specific character this is supposed to be.
Does any of it truly matter though? In the end nomatter what he's called, it will be a typical black prime redeco with teal and red windows. He can be whatever character anyone wants. And if the symbol is an issue, just put a sticker to change it.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 30th, 2019 @ 9:04am CST
Strictly asking about Takara releases, not Hasbro or Fun Pub.
Posted by Evil Eye on November 30th, 2019 @ 10:22am CST
Posted by william-james88 on November 30th, 2019 @ 10:47am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Have there been that many black Optimus redecos from Takara lately that weren't some version of Nemesis Prime, though? I mean, yeah, they did release a lot of "good guy Optimus but in black" toys in years past, but have they continued that trend as of late?
Strictly asking about Takara releases, not Hasbro or Fun Pub.
How does this matter in any way?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:37am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Randomhero wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is that a on his shoulder? If so, it's simply Optimus Prime in black, not Nemesis Prime.
Yeah. That’s why it’s called black convoy. Not nemesis prime or scourge. It’s black convoy. He’s a thing that exists.
...Black Convoy is a frequent Japanese name for Nemesis Prime though (and RID Scourge).
It's confusing but there has been Japanese repaints of prime that are just Optimus in a black paint job as a (terrible) disguise so he can infiltrate the cons. Nucleon Quest Convoy for example, a black repaint of God Ginrai. If that symbol is a con in the final release then it's just Nemesis/Scourge, if it stays a Bot one, then it's just Optimus.
That happened only once, with the United release. Other black Optimuses had different backstories, usually tying into some mysterious property of the color.
Sabrblade wrote:Have there been that many black Optimus redecos from Takara lately that weren't some version of Nemesis Prime, though? I mean, yeah, they did release a lot of "good guy Optimus but in black" toys in years past, but have they continued that trend as of late?
Strictly asking about Takara releases, not Hasbro or Fun Pub.
Just a few actually:
- JAFCon Convoy
- Nucleon Quest Super Convoy: special coating that allows him to travel into Black Holes to obtain Nucleon
- MP-1B Convoy Black Ver.: Eldedroid or remote-controlled robotic double
- Alternity Convoy Super Black: reformed Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime
- Black Super Fire Convoy
- Animated Optimus Prime Black Version: despite being repurposed into a Nemesis, he has
- Prime Dark Guard Optimus Prime: reverse-engineered MECH alloys
- Darkside Moon Jetwing Optimus Prime Black ver.
- Lost Age Black Knight Optimus Prime
william-james88 wrote:How does this matter in any way?
Even a small change in food makes one eat. It'd be the first black redeco with since 2015's Black Knight if memory serves me right.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:55am CST
So, none, then (see bolded text).JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Have there been that many black Optimus redecos from Takara lately that weren't some version of Nemesis Prime, though? I mean, yeah, they did release a lot of "good guy Optimus but in black" toys in years past, but have they continued that trend as of late?
Strictly asking about Takara releases, not Hasbro or Fun Pub.
Just a few actually:
- JAFCon Convoy
- Nucleon Quest Super Convoy: special coating that allows him to travel into Black Holes to obtain Nucleon
- MP-1B Convoy Black Ver.: Eldedroid or remote-controlled robotic double
- Alternity Convoy Super Black: reformed Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime
- Black Super Fire Convoy
- Animated Optimus Prime Black Version: despite being repurposed into a Nemesis, he has
- Prime Dark Guard Optimus Prime: reverse-engineered MECH alloys
- Darkside Moon Jetwing Optimus Prime Black ver.
- Lost Age Black Knight Optimus Prime
Posted by Sabrblade on November 30th, 2019 @ 5:38pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 30th, 2019 @ 5:42pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:It's been pointed out that the headsculpt looks a little different from that of MP-44.
Could very well be artifacting. We'll know more with the official announcement and pics.
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on November 30th, 2019 @ 8:26pm CST
Posted by Torneira on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:10pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Is that a on his shoulder? If so, it's simply Optimus Prime in black, not Nemesis Prime.
I don't know for sure, because I'm looking with my 5 inch cellphone, but I think I see the symbol instead...
Posted by william-james88 on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:42pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
Also with the idea of G1 being so prevalent right now, I get that the repaint would be a G1 black convoy homage.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:45pm CST
MP-1B wasn't named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
Posted by william-james88 on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:50pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:MP-1B wasn't named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
So what? The G1 black convoy was a black redeco with an autobot symbol anyways, no? Now you have double precedent. One for the name and another for the MP line.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:53pm CST
What "G1 Black Convoy"?william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:MP-1B wasn't named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
So what? The G1 black convoy was a black redeco with an autobot symbol anyways, no? Now you have double precedent. One for the name and another for the MP line.
Posted by william-james88 on November 30th, 2019 @ 11:56pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:What "G1 Black Convoy"?william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:MP-1B wasn't named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
So what? The G1 black convoy was a black redeco with an autobot symbol anyways, no? Now you have double precedent. One for the name and another for the MP line.
This one
He's a black Convoy
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 1st, 2019 @ 12:03am CST
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:MP-1B wasn't named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
So what? The G1 black convoy was a black redeco with an autobot symbol anyways, no? Now you have double precedent. One for the name and another for the MP line.
Nor was the JAFCon one you linked to, that too was called "Convoy Black Version". I understand "Black Convoy" is often used for short informally, but that's still the official name for the evil doubles, not the Autobot Commander clad in black.
Again, let's just all wait until the official announcement and pics before the whole argument spirals out of control.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 1st, 2019 @ 12:06am CST
But not named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:What "G1 Black Convoy"?william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:MP-1B wasn't named "Black Convoy".william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So, none, then (see bolded text).
Why does it matter exactly when the last time they put an autobot symbol? The fact that one of the MP Primes already went that route is precedent enough.
So what? The G1 black convoy was a black redeco with an autobot symbol anyways, no? Now you have double precedent. One for the name and another for the MP line.
This one
He's a black Convoy
コンボイ = "Convoy" without a prefix.
Posted by DMSL on December 1st, 2019 @ 5:01am CST
Posted by Blackstreak on December 2nd, 2019 @ 3:28pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 2nd, 2019 @ 8:19pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 4th, 2019 @ 11:29am CST
He comes with a limited set of accessories is priced at ¥ 21,853 plus taxes (where applicable) on the website. The description seems to indicate that the voice chip has been removed for this release. Which, if true, would mean that you get all that backpack and nothing to show for it.
Below is a translation of the description found in the listing along with some images. You can click the link for more.
Black convoy popular with jet black body has appeared in Transformers highest peak brand "Masterpiece Series"!
Specifications with black convoy coloring based on "MP-44 Convoy Ver3.0".
All the cool poses possible with excellent joint movement!
Detachable matrix is also possible! Produce a battle scene with a powerful convoy!
* Container is not included.
* Sound gimmick function is not installed.
[Set Contents] Black Convoy Body (1), Round Head (1), Beam Effect (1), Energy Ax (1), Matrix (1), Laser Rifle (1), Character Card (1), Instruction Manual ( 1)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2019 @ 11:35am CST
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on December 4th, 2019 @ 11:40am CST
The teal blast part is a little weird, would've preferred purple.
Also a real bummer on the loss of the voice chip. It makes it cheaper, no doubt, but it also means the backpack will be less justified on this release.
Otherwise, it's a great MP44 alternative
Posted by angtre on December 4th, 2019 @ 2:10pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 4th, 2019 @ 2:13pm CST
mentre83 wrote:Sorry but I see no reason to upgrade my MP-10B.
But what about the major improvement to cartoon accuracy?
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on December 4th, 2019 @ 2:36pm CST
Posted by Bounti76 on December 4th, 2019 @ 2:49pm CST
william-james88 wrote:mentre83 wrote:Sorry but I see no reason to upgrade my MP-10B.
But what about the major improvement to cartoon accuracy?
You mean the cartoon accurate body that Nemesis Prime and/or Black Convoy never appeared in?
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on December 4th, 2019 @ 2:51pm CST
Bounti76 wrote:william-james88 wrote:mentre83 wrote:Sorry but I see no reason to upgrade my MP-10B.
But what about the major improvement to cartoon accuracy?
You mean the cartoon accurate body that Nemesis Prime and/or Black Convoy never appeared in?
I think that's the joke.
Posted by william-james88 on December 4th, 2019 @ 2:59pm CST
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Bounti76 wrote:william-james88 wrote:mentre83 wrote:Sorry but I see no reason to upgrade my MP-10B.
But what about the major improvement to cartoon accuracy?
You mean the cartoon accurate body that Nemesis Prime and/or Black Convoy never appeared in?
I think that's the joke.
Yup,
Also, to answer your question, the best place is amazon japan, the lunk is in the article. You'll have to wait a bit for that price to drop though. But if you order now, you'll get the lowest price once it drops.
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on December 4th, 2019 @ 3:07pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Bounti76 wrote:william-james88 wrote:mentre83 wrote:Sorry but I see no reason to upgrade my MP-10B.
But what about the major improvement to cartoon accuracy?
You mean the cartoon accurate body that Nemesis Prime and/or Black Convoy never appeared in?
I think that's the joke.
Yup,
Also, to answer your question, the best place is amazon japan, the lunk is in the article. You'll have to wait a bit for that price to drop though. But if you order now, you'll get the lowest price once it drops.
Ah, thanks.
EDIT: ok, just successfully made an Amazon Japan account, but when trying to order the figure, it says it won't deliver to my address. Do y'all usually have it shipped to someone in Japan and then they ship it to you, or did i just probably do something wrong putting in my address?
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2019 @ 5:24pm CST
What's more, using MP-10B as Nemesis while using MP-44 as Optimus allows Nemesis to have his own unique silhouette while still sharing Optimus's basic appearance. Plus, the MP-10 mold gives Nemesis a more aggressive, muscular shape compared to the MP-44 mold's more docile, leaner shape that suits Optimus way more than it suits Nemesis.
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on December 4th, 2019 @ 5:30pm CST
Does it matter which seller I choose, or will it still give me the cheapest price any seller has it for between ordering and shipping?
EDIT: Never mind, I've now ordered and the listing I got noted the "guaranteed minimum price on pre-orders" thing so I think I'm set.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 4th, 2019 @ 5:33pm CST
Kinda sad that he doesn't have a different toy head though
Posted by william-james88 on December 4th, 2019 @ 7:58pm CST
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ok, nevermind about the shipping address thing, it just turns out the current cheapest seller doesn't ship overseas.
Does it matter which seller I choose, or will it still give me the cheapest price any seller has it for between ordering and shipping?
EDIT: Never mind, I've now ordered and the listing I got noted the "guaranteed minimum price on pre-orders" thing so I think I'm set.
Yes you are set. And only Amazon Japan themselves is sure to ship to a US adress.
Also, the amazon japan listing confirms that for now, a new number can be given to a redeco if its a wide release (though it is probably a coincidence anyway)
And Sabr, does the name wirk now that its a decepticon symbol? Or no?
Posted by Mindmaster on December 4th, 2019 @ 8:40pm CST
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on December 4th, 2019 @ 10:12pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 4th, 2019 @ 10:54pm CST
Sure does. This Black Convoy is Nemesis Prime, alright.william-james88 wrote:And Sabr, does the name wirk now that its a decepticon symbol? Or no?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 6th, 2019 @ 4:47am CST
So the big question is, how much will this be? Because it would be a chance to own the MP-44 mold at a relatively reasonable price.
Posted by william-james88 on December 6th, 2019 @ 9:08am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:So no electronics and no trailer. Maybe no human figures too.
So the big question is, how much will this be? Because it would be a chance to own the MP-44 mold at a relatively reasonable price.
We know all the answers. It will be 200$ and there are no human figures, the list of accessories is in the article.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 6th, 2019 @ 9:15am CST
Eh.... I'm not that exited at that price. Because when factoring the exchange rate, shipping, and sureshot custom fees, this will be a 400 Leaf Dollars figure.
Posted by william-james88 on December 6th, 2019 @ 2:13pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:200$ as in 200$ US of course.
Eh.... I'm not that exited at that price. Because when factoring the exchange rate, shipping, and sureshot custom fees, this will be a 400 Leaf Dollars figure.
If you order from Amazon Japan, it will probably come out closer to 200$ leaf dollars when all is said and done than 400. This isnt an exclusive this time so you'll get that MSRP discount.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 6th, 2019 @ 4:29pm CST
william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:200$ as in 200$ US of course.
Eh.... I'm not that exited at that price. Because when factoring the exchange rate, shipping, and sureshot custom fees, this will be a 400 Leaf Dollars figure.
If you order from Amazon Japan, it will probably come out closer to 200$ leaf dollars when all is said and done than 400. This isnt an exclusive this time so you'll get that MSRP discount.
Even at that price, my current credit card bill is glaring at me...