English Summaries to Takara Legends Manga for Decepticon Clones, Windblade and G2 Megatron

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ooooook... Megatron and Noble are a rehash of a Beast Machines plot point. I get that. Even tho it actually succeeded the way it was supposed to, it now makes even less sense:

Beast Machines
- dragon part turned into the dragon Savage
- the technological half was destroyed
- the wolf part was never explained

Legends
- Both halves intact
- Beast part, a T-Rex, turned into a dragon/wolf combo

HOW?!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ooooook... Megatron and Noble are a rehash of a Beast Machines plot point. I get that. Even tho it actually succeeded the way it was supposed to, it now makes even less sense:

Beast Machines
- dragon part turned into the dragon Savage
- the technological half was destroyed
- the wolf part was never explained

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ooooook... Megatron and Noble are a rehash of a Beast Machines plot point. I get that. Even tho it actually succeeded the way it was supposed to, it now makes even less sense:

Beast Machines
- dragon part turned into the dragon Savage
- the technological half was destroyed
- the wolf part was never explained

The wolf part comes from Silver bolt, One of Megatron's servants.That is why once silver bolt comes back, he only has his bird element.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ooooook... Megatron and Noble are a rehash of a Beast Machines plot point. I get that. Even tho it actually succeeded the way it was supposed to, it now makes even less sense:

Beast Machines
- dragon part turned into the dragon Savage
- the technological half was destroyed
- the wolf part was never explained

The wolf part comes from Silver bolt, One of Megatron's servants.That is why once silver bolt comes back, he only has his bird element.

"While "Savage" is clearly Megatron's dragon half, it is unclear where the DNA for the wolf form "Noble" originated. Some fans have speculated a connection to Silverbolt's wolf fuzor form but nothing in the show particularly supports this."

Rodimus Knight wrote:I want to see Old Snake made into a headmaster now.

EmirateXaaron wrote:Oh wow, is that Kiloton from the TV Magazine G2 stories? Never thought I'd see him in anything.

Sabrblade wrote:

EmirateXaaron wrote:Oh wow, is that Kiloton from the TV Magazine G2 stories? Never thought I'd see him in anything.

He was in Metroplex's comic too.

ZeroWolf wrote:There is a certain stereotype that it fits with though, being involved with the anime fandom, I come across it being mentioned all the time. The idea is that all the female characters are good for is being the viewers waifus. Laughably I've heard the idea being tossed around that this phenomenon is solely responsible for Japan's declining birth rate. Despite, you know, all the more plausible reasons.

Michael Alex Kawa wrote:In regards to the most recent Legends Manga stores......
It is nice that there was basically no "fan service", as it proves that Sakamoto can give us a story without half naked girls everywhere.
What sucks about them is the lack of T-AI and Minerva.
I really miss seeing my girls.
But what is sad is it also proves that Sakamoto can't give us a story involving females without showing them half naked.....just saying.
And yes I know that Windblade was one of the recent stories, but I am just referring to the young girls he likes to "showcase" aka "exploit".

Year 3, Class B Big-sensei

A certain high school class is awaiting their new teacher with a variety of expectations: Longrack wants someone disciplined, Cohrada wants someone he can put in his place, and Break doesn't care. When the teacher, Big, arrives, they're all frightened by his massive frame and scary face.. until he suddenly runs out of the classroom, having remembered that new Transformers toys have just been released.


First Lesson First

Big is supposed to teach national history for his first class, but finds this boring and announces to his students that they're going to learn about Transformers history instead. When the teacher goes on about Microman and Diaclone, the ever-serious Longrack notes that none of this is in the textbooks and asks if it'll be on the test, which makes Big happy that he's allowed to test them on the subject.


Very Strange

During a staff meeting with the other teachers, Big asks if they can change the acronym "HR" for "homeroom" on schedules to "TF" for "Transformers". When asked by Principal Magmatron what the class will do during that hour instead, he responds that they'll talk about Transformers, naturally! Magmatron points out that that's what Big already uses homeroom for and considers firing him.


Hooligan Cohrada

Big catches Cohrada shaking Stampy down for his allowance and has a talk with the snake, who says he wanted money for playing around with. Being a nice guy, Big decides to give him a little something... Cyber Keys, which let you play with toys in all kinds of ways! Having expected money, the angry Cohrada calls them worthless and rushes out.


Hot-blooded Break

During sports day, Break shows off his skating prowess and is annoyed when Big awards him with a Cyber Key medal. For the cavalry fight, in which teachers participate, Big picks the rider position and crushes his poor students with the weight of his mammoth body.


Preparatory Reviewer Longrack

During class, Longrack tells Big how hard he's studied Transformers, revealing that he's even neglected any other subjects thanks to his teacher's enthusiasm rubbing off on him. This causes Big to realize he's being a poor influence and he finally begins teaching normally, much to his students' surprise.


When I Awoke One Morning...

Big awakens in the form of a robotic mammoth and is overjoyed when DNAVI diagnoses him with Transformers sickness—he's been actively trying to contract the sickness by exposing himself to Transformers stuff 24/7. When DNAVI proceeds to tell him that there's a cure now, he immediately throws the medicine out a window.


To Fight with...

Caught up in the Quintesson invasion the way home from the doctor, Big runs into a despairing Blitzwing and begins looking for a football coach who can help the Decepticon. Failing to find one, he realizes he himself is a type of "coach" and may be of some use, and decides to disguise himself as a Decepticon strategist and help Blitzwing.

Sabrblade wrote:Summaries for the eight little stories - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/LG59_Blitzwing_Prologue:_Big-sensei

Year 3, Class B Big-sensei

A certain high school class is awaiting their new teacher with a variety of expectations: Longrack wants someone disciplined, Cohrada wants someone he can put in his place, and Break doesn't care. When the teacher, Big, arrives, they're all frightened by his massive frame and scary face.. until he suddenly runs out of the classroom, having remembered that new Transformers toys have just been released.


First Lesson First

Big is supposed to teach national history for his first class, but finds this boring and announces to his students that they're going to learn about Transformers history instead. When the teacher goes on about Microman and Diaclone, the ever-serious Longrack notes that none of this is in the textbooks and asks if it'll be on the test, which makes Big happy that he's allowed to test them on the subject.


Very Strange

During a staff meeting with the other teachers, Big asks if they can change the acronym "HR" for "homeroom" on schedules to "TF" for "Transformers". When asked by Principal Magmatron what the class will do during that hour instead, he responds that they'll talk about Transformers, naturally! Magmatron points out that that's what Big already uses homeroom for and considers firing him.


Hooligan Cohrada

Big catches Cohrada shaking Stampy down for his allowance and has a talk with the snake, who says he wanted money for playing around with. Being a nice guy, Big decides to give him a little something... Cyber Keys, which let you play with toys in all kinds of ways! Having expected money, the angry Cohrada calls them worthless and rushes out.


Hot-blooded Break

During sports day, Break shows off his skating prowess and is annoyed when Big awards him with a Cyber Key medal. For the cavalry fight, in which teachers participate, Big picks the rider position and crushes his poor students with the weight of his mammoth body.


Preparatory Reviewer Longrack

During class, Longrack tells Big how hard he's studied Transformers, revealing that he's even neglected any other subjects thanks to his teacher's enthusiasm rubbing off on him. This causes Big to realize he's being a poor influence and he finally begins teaching normally, much to his students' surprise.


When I Awoke One Morning...

Big awakens in the form of a robotic mammoth and is overjoyed when DNAVI diagnoses him with Transformers sickness—he's been actively trying to contract the sickness by exposing himself to Transformers stuff 24/7. When DNAVI proceeds to tell him that there's a cure now, he immediately throws the medicine out a window.


To Fight with...

Caught up in the Quintesson invasion the way home from the doctor, Big runs into a despairing Blitzwing and begins looking for a football coach who can help the Decepticon. Failing to find one, he realizes he himself is a type of "coach" and may be of some use, and decides to disguise himself as a Decepticon strategist and help Blitzwing.

G1 Warrior Twin Twist

Twin Twist's love for drilling holes often gets him into trouble when he damages the Autobot base, and when Topspin tries to talk him out of his bad habit, he instead asks his brother to keep watch while he keeps drilling. Topspin accepts, reflecting that he's a huge thrillseeker who loves the risk of getting caught.


G1 Warrior Topspin

The Jumpstarters are caught by Red Alert and flee on Topspin's jet mode, but have no regrets as they thoroughly enjoyed the experience. However, Twin Twist's urge emerges and he begins considering drilling holes in his brother's wings, which Topspin protests against despite how thrilling it would be.


Operation: Destroy the Decepticons

Twin Twist's drilling continues causing trouble for the Autobots, but Optimus Prime hits upon the idea of using his habit to their advantage by having him dig pitfall traps for the Decepticons. The plan fails after they remember the Decepticons can fly and Twin Twist ends up digging so many holes that the Autobots themselves fall in them.


The Commander's Good Idea

The Jumpstarters are such a bother that the other Autobots complain to Optimus Prime, who appoints Twin Twist leader of the Jumpstarters so that the responsibilities and duties of the post will keep him too busy to think about his urges... and appoints Topspin commander of the Jumpstarters for that same reason. The brothers begin fighting over who is the real leader, which Prime sees as proof that they've forgotten about the drilling, though Sideswipe protests against this solution.


LG-07 Jetfire Sequel

In the 2000s, Topspin and Twin Twist meet Whirl and Roadbuster who introduce themselves as Wreckers from another world. While the two brothers have never heard of such a group, Springer overhears them and announces his intent to create a Wreckers unit in their own world... because the name sounds cool and might impress girls.


G1 Wreckers Birth Story

Springer recruits the other four and goes to Optimus Prime to ask for his approval in creating the Wreckers, though Prime is unimpressed when he asks for the team's purpose and Springer's response is "doing cool stuff". He only approves on the condition that the Wreckers are responsible for cleaning the area around Mount St. Hilary, which Springer finds so boring and uncool that he leaves for Autobot City, leaving his team members behind.


LG19 Springer Sequel

In the 2030s, Springer returns home from the Legends World in his new body, impressing the Jumpstarters who assume he's now ready to confess his love to Arcee. He argues that he's already been turned down, but Whirl tells him that was a different Arcee and the Wreckers push him over to Arcee where he begins to stammer a confession. How this goes, however, is a story for another time...


LG65 Twin Twist Prologue

Some time later, the Wreckers receive a message from Alpha Trion informing them that the Legends World is under attack by Windblade and the mutant Targetmasters. Given their connections to the dimension, Springer, Whirl, and Roadbuster are ready to head out and defend it, but are surprised when the Jumpstarters ask to come along as well. To explain why they feel obliged to help, the two brothers must reveal a well-kept secret... they too were created in the Legends World!

G1 Warrior Twin Twist

Twin Twist's love for drilling holes often gets him into trouble when he damages the Autobot base, and when Topspin tries to talk him out of his bad habit, he instead asks his brother to keep watch while he keeps drilling. Topspin accepts, reflecting that he's a huge thrillseeker who loves the risk of getting caught.


G1 Warrior Topspin

The Jumpstarters are caught by Red Alert and flee on Topspin's jet mode, but have no regrets as they thoroughly enjoyed the experience. However, Twin Twist's urge emerges and he begins considering drilling holes in his brother's wings, which Topspin protests against despite how thrilling it would be.


Operation: Destroy the Decepticons

Twin Twist's drilling continues causing trouble for the Autobots, but Optimus Prime hits upon the idea of using his habit to their advantage by having him dig pitfall traps for the Decepticons. The plan fails after they remember the Decepticons can fly and Twin Twist ends up digging so many holes that the Autobots themselves fall in them.


The Commander's Good Idea

The Jumpstarters are such a bother that the other Autobots complain to Optimus Prime, who appoints Twin Twist leader of the Jumpstarters so that the responsibilities and duties of the post will keep him too busy to think about his urges... and appoints Topspin commander of the Jumpstarters for that same reason. The brothers begin fighting over who is the real leader, which Prime sees as proof that they've forgotten about the drilling, though Sideswipe protests against this solution.


LG-07 Jetfire Sequel

In the 2000s, Topspin and Twin Twist meet Whirl and Roadbuster who introduce themselves as Wreckers from another world. While the two brothers have never heard of such a group, Springer overhears them and announces his intent to create a Wreckers unit in their own world... because the name sounds cool and might impress girls.


G1 Wreckers Birth Story

Springer recruits the other four and goes to Optimus Prime to ask for his approval in creating the Wreckers, though Prime is unimpressed when he asks for the team's purpose and Springer's response is "doing cool stuff". He only approves on the condition that the Wreckers are responsible for cleaning the area around Mount St. Hilary, which Springer finds so boring and uncool that he leaves for Autobot City, leaving his team members behind.


LG19 Springer Sequel

In the 2030s, Springer returns home from the Legends World in his new body, impressing the Jumpstarters who assume he's now ready to confess his love to Arcee. He argues that he's already been turned down, but Whirl tells him that was a different Arcee and the Wreckers push him over to Arcee where he begins to stammer a confession. How this goes, however, is a story for another time...


LG65 Twin Twist Prologue

Some time later, the Wreckers receive a message from Alpha Trion informing them that the Legends World is under attack by Windblade and the mutant Targetmasters. Given their connections to the dimension, Springer, Whirl, and Roadbuster are ready to head out and defend it, but are surprised when the Jumpstarters ask to come along as well. To explain why they feel obliged to help, the two brothers must reveal a well-kept secret... they too were created in the Legends World!

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.

But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.

But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).

Ummmm....shes bent over practically twerking on top of seaspray. I thought you were from Florida homie?

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.

But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).

fenrir72 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the female human anatomy...........Eeeeeeeeeeew!

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hell yeah !!! Sakamoto is back !!! Those last few cartoons couldn't have been him because his signature sleeze was missing.

But, there's none of that here either. Alana isn't drawn in any compromising or undignified depiction. She's just drawn as her normal self. Sakamoto's treating her with respect (well, with as much respect as the original cartoon's episode did, at least).

Ummmm....shes bent over practically twerking on top of seaspray. I thought you were from Florida homie?

He's a very tiny but speedy watercraft. She has to bend over to hold on to him and not fall off as he moves. She did the same in the episode itself.



And don't mistake the rest of our state for Miami.

ZeroWolf wrote:How many more of these are left now? Won't be long before the mangaka is finished drawing these (since he likes drawing girls maybe he would be better suited sticking to ecchi series instead)

Having lost the war for Beast, Tigerburn returns to the Legends World with his Laser Beast army and attempts a conquest by using the Three Wise Ones' Water Gem to flood the world and turn the inhabitants into Laser Beasts. Rattrap demands to know why the losing side of the war keeps coming to his world, but Tigerburn's explanation, involving the Legends World's Beast Power, is interrupted by an attack from Seaspray and Alana. The Autobot explains that Tlalak is suffering from a major drought, so he and his girlfriend are seeking to restore the planet's water supply using the power of the Water Gem. A voice in Tigerburn's head encourages him to use the gem for benevolent purposes, but he tells it to shut up—as White Lune explains to a confused Chromedome, he's hearing the voice of Lione, whom he has merged with. Tigerburn proceeds to use his head mode to take control of Trypticon, transforming the giant dinosaur into a Laser Beast.

Alana wishes to join the battle and asks Seaspray to blast her with water from the Well of Transformation, turning her into a Transformer again, but the power of the water catches Tigerburn's attention and he grabs the water gun and dumps the contents on himself. That being the last of the well's water, Seaspray apologizes to Alana for causing her to be stuck with her robot body, though she doesn't mind as long as they're together and explains that since Tigerburn's body contains two minds, the water won't affect him the way he thinks it will. Indeed, the desires of Lione's heart overpower those of Tigerburn's and he is able to use the water's transformative properties to separate the Laser Beast from his body. The invaders retreat back to their own dimension, and Seaspray and Alana reflect that where the Laser Beasts' hearts are cold like machines, Lione's actions prove that while the Transformers have machine bodies, their hearts are true. Having recovered the Water Gem, they then discuss taking a vacation on Beast after restoring Tlalak and returning the gem to the Beastformers, leaving the singles Rattrap and Tigatron jealous and annoyed by the happy couple.

ZeroWolf wrote:Kenichi sonada...ah! The mangaka of gunsmith cats and riding bean. Thought the name was familiar. Also don't mistake my comment for "2d girl = bad" i just said I think his style would fit an ecchi series, then he could have free reign to go even more over the top! I mean have you seen to love ru?

Though what we really need is studio trigger to step in with another tf anime it's been twelve-thirteen years since transformers cybertron, it think it's over due them being allowed a cracking at it.

Black Hat wrote:(Massive essay on Sakamoto and the comics industry in general below)
The thing with Sakamoto is he's actually pretty tame in comparison to most "fanservicey" comic/manga artists (on both sides of the world). Most of his fanservice is played for comedy as much as anything, and at the very least makes anatomical sense, as opposed to some artists (Rob "What is a foot" Liefeld, Masami "Master of Mecha, Woeful at Women" Obari, etc) and when it doesn't it's usually done in a silly enough style that it doesn't stand out too much. And compared to other "ecchi" comics (regardless of global hemisphere) his stuff is borderline prudish. Look at the Gunsmith Cats manga (which is absolutely excellent but very sleazy, albeit intentionally as the series is set in 90s Chicago, is about crime and follows a cast of characters who range from scummy to psychotic) or on the other end of the scale of "actually good", Eiken.

Sure, he has drawn some pretty cringeworthy porn in his off time, but so has literally every comic artist ever. After all, David Willis/ItsWalky/The Wikifuhrer does a fair bit of truly ghastly porn and he's still a fandom darling. Though I have a feeling if he didn't run the wiki and if he wasn't surrounded by cronies in an echo chamber he'd be pretty universally hated, because seriously he is a lunatic.

I think the problem is that outside of Kiss Players (which went too far the other way), Transformers has been almost weirdly asexual, even in Japan- and most of the stuff that does have it in to any degree is pretty obscure. I don't even mean anything explicit or massively ecchi, but there's barely even any hints that romance exists in the Transformers franchise half the time, let alone anything remotely sexual- the result being that TF fans are often very oversensitive to such things from lack of exposure. Like, Sailor Moon is more risque than Transformers, and that was primarily a young girls' show! Outside of Kiss Players (because seriously that was weird) and the Legends manga (because that's been discussed to death already) there's very little in the way of even love themes, let alone fanservice. Off the top of my head, I can think of:
>Octane trying to tune in to "G-rated porn" in G1 for a few seconds
>The occasional sly innuendo in Beast Wars, and a few romantic relationships such as Silverbolt/Blackarachnia and Tigatron/Airrazor.
>Cain and Akira (was that his name?) from Zone being blatant fujoshi bait uh I mean, the first GLBT representation in the brand.
>BWII having the Scuba/Bighorn/Scylla triangle of hilarity.
>Thunderblast's tits in Cybertron.
>A fair bit of human "fanservice" in the movies (which barely counts as it's more or less generic teenage boy bait you'd see in any similar movie, and the Transformers themselves never show anything even remotely approaching personality romantic attraction or sexuality outside of Devastator's scrotum. Which to be fair, made me and my mother laugh quite a bit, even if only because of John Tuturro's line delivery.)
>Elita and Optimus in Animated, along with occasional very well disguised dirty jokes (more reasons Animated is the best cartoon ever).
>Whatever the hell is going on with IDW, which is less fanservice and more a mix of melodramatic angsty romance fangirl bait and "Look how progressive we are" virtue signalling.
>That one BotCon comic that Sakamoto helped with that upset the Tumblrites.

And...that's really about it. I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can recall off the top of my head. It sounds like a lot but when you consider the brand is 34 years old and made of countless continuities and sub-continuities by a variety of creators, it's pretty minuscule.

Now obviously fanservice and romantic or sexual themes don't automatically make something better (though they don't make it automatically worse either) but the relative dearth of it in the brand compared even to other kid's shows (and definitely to other anime/manga) would go some way to explaining why the fandom has such a knee-jerk reaction to its inclusion in Transformers media- that is, they're relatively unused to it and so even the tamest content raises eyebrows when in other fandoms it probably wouldn't even be noticed.

Now I'm not saying that what the world needs is for every Transformers series to become softcore porn, that would be very silly. But I for one would like to see more "proper" Transformers series, Japanese or Western, that actually features romantic themes and yes, even subtle hints of sexuality, preferably kept fairly tame if it's a kid's show, though obviously something made for more mature audiences could get away with more. Other shows on both sides of the globe have made cartoon or comic series (for kids and adults) that handle such themes maturely and tastefully, or in the case of "fanservice" at least do it in good humour or make it genuinely appealing. Why shouldn't Transformers? In the case of handling themes with care and respect, look at Cardcaptor Sakura, which is extremely kid-friendly and a lovely show but does handle more mature themes. On the other end of the spectrum, look at Animaniacs, which was positively filled with innuendo but was absolutely hilarious. And for a combination of both look at Sailor Moon, a timeless classic anyone can enjoy that includes mature, well-executed romance and tension, appealing characters and the occasional bit of ever so slightly ecchi (but no less funny) humour. And if a series about cute girls fighting monsters in sailor suit-themed ballet outfits can do it then by God, so can a series about robots that turn into cars.

TLDR: The Legends manga, whilst not exactly high art, isn't actually that bad, it's just that the Transformers fandom is possibly oversensitive to fanservice.

On topic, yeah Kenichi Sonoda is a goddamn good artist, and an absolute madman to boot. Also good to see someone else who actually knows Riding Bean exists, ZeroWolf. I need to watch it, I hear it makes the Gunsmith Cats OVA pale in comparison- and that was fantastic. Bubblegum Crisis is still my favourite thing of his though.

Who else would make for a good mangaka/creative director for Transformers (aside from Trigger/Imaishi because that's easy mode)? Mika Akitaka (the Galaxy Fraulein Yuna guy) would be pretty great IMO, he's a really good artist both for characters and machines.