Confirmation of MP-12+ Sideswipe and Takara Legends Misfire, Sixshot, Broadside & Doublecross

Kurona wrote:As perhaps some companion pieces to the recently revealed MP-39 Sunstreaker and Legends Triggerhappy, Takara seems to have some upcoming products - confirmed by a receipt from Toy Scope and brought to us courtesy of fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath! The Takara Legends line brings us confirmation of Misfire before his American counterpart even gets released; along with Sixshot, Broadside and Doublecross (otherwise known as Twinferno). Of course, we can expect all of these to be redecos and minor retools of the Hasbro products, with Misfire coming with a potentially-new-mold Targetmaster just like Triggerhappy, Kup and Hot Rod before him. And finally, we have MP-12+ Lambor (otherwise known as Sideswipe), giving confirmation that the Animation-Accurate MP+ line is indeed continuing after just Red Alert. Take a look at the receipt below and tell us what you think in the Takara Legends thread below! Or, if you're here for Sideswipe, feel free to peruse and join the MP+ thread instead!

It also says Targetmaster Doublecross. It was another post on their page.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:It also says Targetmaster Doublecross. It was another post on their page.

Thank you very much, article edited!

SIXSHOT!!!!!!

Good to know that Takara is going to do these. Hopefully, some pictures will come out soon to see if there is a major difference between these and their Hasbro counterparts to warrant the higher cost (especially in the case of Sixshot and Broadside).

Relic0037 wrote:Good to know that Takara is going to do these. Hopefully, some pictures will come out soon to see if there is a major difference between these and their Hasbro counterparts to warrant the higher cost (especially in the case of Sixshot and Broadside).

Sixshot I doubt. Decales instead of stickers and will paint up his headmaster to actually be Jack which will make a helluva comic for him.

I can see them tweaking with broadside to do something with his jet but then again they've never modified any triple changers previously. They might just give him a closer deco

Up for preorder at bbts.

So sunstreakers price is $109?
Based off the 12,000 thats by his name.

Deathsaurus1 wrote:So sunstreakers price is $109?
Based off the 12,000 thats by his name.

Yes thats his MSRP, but the only place that will have him at that exact price is Takaratomymall.

Other japanese retailers will have him lower and US based retailers wll have him higher to compensate the import.

Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

It makes sense to me because most of this line is doing the slightly-more-obscure-than-usual characters of G1 from the 1987 line - the Headmasters and Targetmasters from that year almost all represented. So the Monsterbots? Sure, that makes sense.
... but then they just done Doublecross, and not Repugnus (titan master which doesn't count notwithstanding) or Grotusque. It's a very random choice and I can only think it was either pretooling for next line, or someone in Hasbro's design team just really likes Doublecross and didn't have a hard time convincing the higher-ups that kids would love a double-headed fire-breathing dragon that turns into a good guy robot. With his RiD toy, that last one looks a lot more likely.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

Hasbro was looking at the particular era of toys he came out in and he is fondly remembered as a toy by fans. If Hasbro released things based on significant screen time in the G1 show, we wouldnt have a giant Fort Max.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

He was in Maximum Dinobots.

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

Hasbro was looking at the particular era of toys he came out in and he is fondly remembered as a toy by fans. If Hasbro released things based on significant screen time in the G1 show, we wouldnt have a giant Fort Max.

Well, screen time does not necessarily translate to importance. Optimus is in the G1 movie a lot more than Blurr, but his death is the entire catalyst around which Hot Rod's character pathos is formed while Blurr... uh... has the significant contribution of existing.
I didn't notice until Thew brought it up but Blurr does nothing in the movie. It's weird.

Anyway, the point he's trying to make is that Doublecross was never a significant character in anything, so it's weird he's getting a toy. The Headmasters at least featured heavily in all three series (Rebirth, Headmasters, Marvel) that had them and a handful of them continue to be big players in IDW. Doublecross... does not have that.

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

Hasbro was looking at the particular era of toys he came out in and he is fondly remembered as a toy by fans. If Hasbro released things based on significant screen time in the G1 show, we wouldnt have a giant Fort Max.

Well, screen time does not necessarily translate to importance. Optimus is in the G1 movie a lot more than Blurr, but his death is the entire catalyst around which Hot Rod's character pathos is formed while Blurr... uh... has the significant contribution of existing.
I didn't notice until Thew brought it up but Blurr does nothing in the movie. It's weird.

Anyway, the point he's trying to make is that Doublecross was never a significant character in anything, so it's weird he's getting a toy. The Headmasters at least featured heavily in all three series (Rebirth, Headmasters, Marvel) that had them and a handful of them continue to be big players in IDW. Doublecross... does not have that.

I'm pretty sure one impetus for the designers of the titans reurn line is the 1987 catalog, as we're getting quite a few characters from it, and for Doublecross, it has been pointed out a few days ago that he does have a few mold peculiarities that could be used in a remold for a potential Abominus or Predaking component. Next year, I won't be the least bit surprised when we start getting some off the wall 1988 characters revisited. Landmine, Dogfight, Sky High, Bugly wouldn't shock me at all

LE0KING wrote:Up for preorder at bbts.

Unfortunately, they didn't have any pics up last time I checked. Some will probably surface in a week or two.

Kurona wrote:

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:It also says Targetmaster Doublecross. It was another post on their page.

Thank you very much, article edited!

And that has to be a mistake, as Doublecross was a Monsterbot, not a Targetmaster. Me thinks they have him confused with Crosshairs and jumped to conclusions with the "Targetmaster" designation. Let's wait and see.

I enjoy these updated toys of lesser known characters from HasTak, even if I don't buy all of them. And so faithful to the source. The headmaster gimmick is an overkill though.

Doublecross actually seems kind of interesting, Dinobots and cassettes aside, it's usually the Decepticons that transform into beasts. Too bad there's no appropriate Hun-Grrr that he could pose against.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

With this post, I must bring up a ScottyP theory (which I find quite plausible, Mr. Savage)

The way this Headmaster thing works, the space left over for the pilot in both Weirdwolf and Twinferno is about the size of a combiner joint thingy. And Weirdwolf and Twinferno have no re-uses yet. So the ScottyP theory states that they are "pre-tools" for Power of the Primes, where both will have the headmaster hole replaced with a combiner joint, and can be used to make Terrorcons or Predacons or even Seacons (I think he only summized Terrorcons though). So much like how Dead End had his midsection combiner port ripped out and replaced with a cockpit, the reverse may happen with these guys, making a Rippersnapper or that 2-headed 4-legged dragon guy.

so, there may be real reason. And monsterbots are awesome (now where is my frikkin' Grotusque???)

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Still confused as to why Doublecross/Twinferno even got an updated figure in this line. I know he appeared in the japanese G1 episodes but I never saw them so no idea if he was important or not. He certainly wasn't in the west's cartoons or comics and the toy wasn't much good either. LOads of better characters they could have done.

With this post, I must bring up a ScottyP theory (which I find quite plausible, Mr. Savage)

The way this Headmaster thing works, the space left over for the pilot in both Weirdwolf and Twinferno is about the size of a combiner joint thingy. And Weirdwolf and Twinferno have no re-uses yet. So the ScottyP theory states that they are "pre-tools" for Power of the Primes, where both will have the headmaster hole replaced with a combiner joint, and can be used to make Terrorcons or Predacons or even Seacons (I think he only summized Terrorcons though). So much like how Dead End had his midsection combiner port ripped out and replaced with a cockpit, the reverse may happen with these guys, making a Rippersnapper or that 2-headed 4-legged dragon guy.

so, there may be real reason. And monsterbots are awesome (now where is my frikkin' Grotusque???)

I think the theory of some of these being made into combiners is ridiculous and just people who can't comprehend we just didn't get some combiners.

Here's a reason: why not?

Hasbro has always thrown out certain characters out of nowhere. Straxus, Thunderwing, black shadow, a a G1 lugnut. This is just Hasbro saying "who hasn't gotten a toy yet and we can have some fun"

Frankly, the idea that they're done with combiners because we just had some is ridiculous. One of the main recurring trends in this toy line since it's inception is that if something can be retooled or redecoed, it will be. I don't have an issue with it, but it's true. Also, no one said that combiners had to be issued solely under the flag of the combiner wars. There's no way you can look at the legs on the new Godbomber and think that they won't be used on a Road Caesar, or heavily retooled into Abominus or Predaking. It's not wishful thinking, it's simply economically reusing existing molds

Desslok2201 wrote:It's not wishful thinking, it's simply economically reusing existing molds

Or just the connection, which quite frankly doesn't necessarily prove anything. Armada Tidal Wave, Cybertron Optimus Prime, Megatron and Leobreaker all have roughly the same type of connectors, for what purpose?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:It's not wishful thinking, it's simply economically reusing existing molds

Or just the connection, which quite frankly doesn't necessarily prove anything. Armada Tidal Wave, Cybertron Optimus Prime, Megatron and Leobreaker all have roughly the same type of connectors, for what purpose?

I mean hey, at least they acknowledged they can do the thing. Imagine if they done a third release of Tidal Wave in Cybertron just to show off that gimmick... it would have been beautiful. Imagine him double Savage Claw Moding in the anime!

Kurona wrote:I mean hey, at least they acknowledged they can do the thing. Imagine if they done a third release of Tidal Wave in Cybertron just to show off that gimmick... it would have been beautiful. Imagine him double Savage Claw Moding in the anime!

Cybertron is where I jumped off as a toy collector for 10 years, but I did watch the show. Unfortunately because of Cybertron *not really* being part of the Trilogy you had all different Decepticons (save Megatron and Starscream) -So Mirage (Reformatted Tidal Wave) you never got to see again, and if he would have been reformatted yet again, what would it have been?

Also the idea of having 2 Savage Claws was something that I always wanted to see as well. Though I never had any Cybertron toys, something tells me the Engineering of it makes it not possible (either that or the engineering of having Leo Breaker and Cybertron Wing Saber connected to Prime at the same time was not possible...cant remember which)...

On the other hand, I do remember having Energon Optimus Prime, and ALL his extra parts, along with Wing Saber all combined with Omega Supreme! It was a Beautiful Monstrosity I miss to this day.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:It's not wishful thinking, it's simply economically reusing existing molds

Or just the connection, which quite frankly doesn't necessarily prove anything. Armada Tidal Wave, Cybertron Optimus Prime, Megatron and Leobreaker all have roughly the same type of connectors, for what purpose?

I now want to see Cybertron Megatron with tidal wave arms. And tidal wave in savage claw mode

Insurgent wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:It's not wishful thinking, it's simply economically reusing existing molds

Or just the connection, which quite frankly doesn't necessarily prove anything. Armada Tidal Wave, Cybertron Optimus Prime, Megatron and Leobreaker all have roughly the same type of connectors, for what purpose?

I now want to see Cybertron Megatron with tidal wave arms. And tidal wave in savage claw mode

Couldn't find Cybertron Megsy with Tidal Wave arms (though I know an optimus picture is out there somewhere. It's amazing), but very important bonus to keep things recent:

Desslok2201 wrote:Frankly, the idea that they're done with combiners because we just had some is ridiculous. One of the main recurring trends in this toy line since it's inception is that if something can be retooled or redecoed, it will be. I don't have an issue with it, but it's true. Also, no one said that combiners had to be issued solely under the flag of the combiner wars. There's no way you can look at the legs on the new Godbomber and think that they won't be used on a Road Caesar, or heavily retooled into Abominus or Predaking. It's not wishful thinking, it's simply economically reusing existing molds

That's how it goes now though. We're in "theme" and "gimmick" mode now with generations. Combiner Wars gave us Combiners. What were the special box sets? Combiners. Now we're in Titans Return and getting Titan masters. They too have box sets and what are they consisting of? Titan masters and toys that can work with Titan masters. Next up is power of the Primes and while we're still waiting on what the gimmick is we've heard through rumors it's similar to Titan masters where each figure comes with a little guy that will integrate with a weapon or something. More than likely an evolution of powermasters or minicons. I think we can all imagine they too will have box sets and it will consist of the power of the Primes gimmick.


We're looking at a possible 2020 of the end of this Primes trilogy and then who knows but based on a logical sense and how we're seeing things go it's safe to assume they're not going to start making more
Combiners to add to a theme line that's already got its own gimmick and they're certainly not going to create new Combiners as an exclusive to anything when they can create something to go with the current theme.

As for God Bomber that's just them using a tool that works to separate limbs. We've seen Hasbro and Takara use past engineering if it works. They reused G2 Smokescreens entire engineering for energon starscream and that didn't lead to a stealth bomber character for starscream to combine with.

Prologue comic for the forthcoming Legends LG-EX Black Convoy figure - http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2017/05/web.html

Once again, the post-Car Robots saga continues with the Destrongers finally reaching Devil Gigatron, who's currently in the custody of Fire Convoy's Dimensional Patrol aboard Neo Brave Maximus (a virtual redeco of Titan class Fort Max). And the evil counterpart of Ai is named "Dark Ai". And the Axalon-looking ship that the Destrongers use at the beginning is a "Cyber Falcon-type from the end of the G2 War" (and which might be their original ship that they used to get to Earth back when they were protoforms in stasis pods).

Also featured are the Super Spychangers, Dimensional Investigator Skids, and Devil Gigatron's "Devil Ostrich Mode"!

Oh, and we see Black Convoy get turned into his tiny Headmaster form at the end.

Thanks to Takara themselves, we have the preview for the next Legends comic! The new comic, which is set to feature the upcoming Legends LG-EX Black Convoy, is based on a Robots in Disguise/Car Robots universe, where the Destrongers have discovered Devil Gigatron, held in Fire Convoy's Dimensional Patrol aboard Brave Maximus, who is a redeco of the Titans Return Fortress Maximus toy. The preview also involved Legends Skids, Devil Gigatron's "Devil Ostrich" mode, and the very end of the preview sees Black Convoy reduced to his Headmaster form. Check it out below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

I really need to stop calling things like the Devil Ostrich, and giving them ideas!

Looking at the comic closely, it looks like it's not just a new version of Brave Maximus, but rather it's based on the limited Robot Masters release! Master and Zebres are the names used for the smaller components, plus the power source Solitarium gets a call-out.

And it looks like it ties in with another story involving Cloud World and the Zamojin (the EX Deadlock chapter, which accounts for Skids' presence as well). Devil Gigatron either had a run-in with them or heard of them, resulting in a change of heart that Black Convoy is not too happy with. The resulting fight reduced him to a protoform-like state which resembles a Titan Master.

We'll probably see how he gets his new body in the next part.

Am I getting this right? Devil Gigatron joined the Autobots and uses his Devil Ostrich 11th mode to fry Black Convoy which reduces him to just his human portion? The last part was expected, but that first part is quite the unexpected twist.

Emerje

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at the comic closely, it looks like it's not just a new version of Brave Maximus, but rather it's based on the limited Robot Masters release! Master and Zebres are the names used for the smaller components, plus the power source Solitarium gets a call-out.

Master and Zebres are mentioned as being with the original Brave Maximus back on Earth, with Solitarium powering that one. This new one is Neo Brave Maximus, but Plasma in his original design is still present with Fire Convoy's team, which makes this all sound to me like Master and Zebres replaced Plasma and Brave as the original Brave Max's Head On System, while Plasma and Brave got this shiny new Neo Brave Maximus.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at the comic closely, it looks like it's not just a new version of Brave Maximus, but rather it's based on the limited Robot Masters release! Master and Zebres are the names used for the smaller components, plus the power source Solitarium gets a call-out.

Master and Zebres are mentioned as being with the original Brave Maximus back on Earth, with Solitarium powering that one. This new one is Neo Brave Maximus, but Plasma in his original design is still present with Fire Convoy's team, which makes this all sound to me like Master and Zebres replaced Plasma and Brave as the original Brave Max's Head On System, while Plasma and Brave got this shiny new Neo Brave Maximus.

Eh, close enough. So would this be before, during or after Robot Masters?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Looking at the comic closely, it looks like it's not just a new version of Brave Maximus, but rather it's based on the limited Robot Masters release! Master and Zebres are the names used for the smaller components, plus the power source Solitarium gets a call-out.

Master and Zebres are mentioned as being with the original Brave Maximus back on Earth, with Solitarium powering that one. This new one is Neo Brave Maximus, but Plasma in his original design is still present with Fire Convoy's team, which makes this all sound to me like Master and Zebres replaced Plasma and Brave as the original Brave Max's Head On System, while Plasma and Brave got this shiny new Neo Brave Maximus.

Eh, close enough. So would this be before, during or after Robot Masters?

After. The Car Robots cast all came from the future. And the original Brave Maximus went on space-time adventures throughout the multiverse in Kiss Players Position.

YAAAASSSSS LG Misfire! I do hope they're gonna make Aimless more toon/toy accurate than Firebolt, Recoil and Blowpipe are gonna be . As for the others how can you make MP Sideswipe more accurate to the Cartoon he's perfect already and by the time he comes out i'll already have the Standard MP-12. Doublecross and Sixshot could be cool if they're accurate to their screen appearance in Headmasters I think TR Sixshot is Definantly missing a sword or two and i'd appreciate it if Takara actually called out the "submarine" mode as a gun on the box or the instructions as it is defiantly not a Submarine Broadside i'm not sure about cause I'll have the Hasbro version by the time he's released and I actually HATE Broadside's character so we'll see if the stock pics tempt me at all.

Prime Target wrote:YAAAASSSSS LG Misfire! I do hope they're gonna make Aimless more toon/toy accurate than Firebolt, Recoil and Blowpipe are gonna be .

Firebolt and Recoil are actually based on Fracas and Pinpointer respectively. Neither G1 design was used in the anime, but the Fracas one is in the manga.

Wait a minute...
BROADSIDE?!
I'm SURE will ruin the Carrier's homage, RIP
And we still havent had Misfire but... uuuuhhh it's gonna ruin the cockpit on the top of its awesome jet mode like triggerhappy does.

I bet Sixshot still retains the gun form.
Doublecross is very unexpected

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Thanks to Takara themselves, we have the preview for the next Legends comic!

Wait, "preview"? This isn't the pack-in comic that comes with the toy, this is the online prologue comic, a separate thing.

Jeez, these comics always give me a headache trying to look at them and not just cos of all the japanese. They're just so messy.

Sincere apologies for my ignorance but can someone please educate me why fans must endure a long ass period of waiting after a figure is released? What are the reasons involved? We got some great LG figures on the horizon and I think this having to wait needs to end because... .

Nemesis Destron wrote:Sincere apologies for my ignorance but can someone please educate me why fans must endure a long ass period of waiting after a figure is released? What are the reasons involved? We got some great LG figures on the horizon and I think this having to wait needs to end because... .

More than likely, because movie. Takara wanna focus on their TLK line while it's hot and hence are putting Legends on hold for now.

EEEEEEEEEEVIL T-Ai? Devil Ostrich mode? Spychangers looking legitimately cool?

Holy crap this is awesome.

would it be wrong to want a T-AI, and maybe a Dark T-AI action figure? After all, she was a pretty big character in RID 2000.

Also Targetmaster Doublecross has me curious, i wonder if he will simply come with Blurr's Targetmaster

Man, I love the art in these things, even if I can't read em!

I hope this get's translated. I"m guessing the Mini Black Convey there will end up a headmaster.

You know what kinda funny? If one were to shorten Dark Ai's name to emulate how the English dub changed "Ai" to "T-AI", then she'd be "D-AI" (said like "Die").

Nemesis Destron wrote:Sincere apologies for my ignorance but can someone please educate me why fans must endure a long ass period of waiting after a figure is released? What are the reasons involved? We got some great LG figures on the horizon and I think this having to wait needs to end because... .

Best guess, TakTom waits to see what Hasbro does then goes to work on how they can improve upon it (partially to justify the higher price-point).

Like, "Ok, PM Prime looks cool. What can we do to it to make it a $60 toy AND make it appealing to Western fans who'll possibly import it?"

Hey, this Ai chan (narrowly) escaped the horrible fate she was doomed to in the legends universe

grimdragon2001 wrote:would it be wrong to want a T-AI, and maybe a Dark T-AI action figure? After all, she was a pretty big character in RID 2000.

Sooooo, the KT figure wasn't quite what you were looking for, huh???

triKlops wrote:

grimdragon2001 wrote:would it be wrong to want a T-AI, and maybe a Dark T-AI action figure? After all, she was a pretty big character in RID 2000.

Sooooo, the KT figure wasn't quite what you were looking for, huh???

Must we be reminded of this abomination?

Black Hat wrote:

triKlops wrote:

grimdragon2001 wrote:would it be wrong to want a T-AI, and maybe a Dark T-AI action figure? After all, she was a pretty big character in RID 2000.

Sooooo, the KT figure wasn't quite what you were looking for, huh???

Must we be reminded of this abomination?

Sometimes, yes, to remind us how easily it could in a direction that no one was expecting or asking for...