Concept Art for Transformers Power of the Primes Elita-1 by Ken Christiansen

There has always been an arguement of whose fault poor distribution is. There answer probably varies with each situation, but based on all of my observations, the blame for PotP's distribution woes seems to sit squarely on Hasbro's shoulders. The Walmarts in my area have had empty spots for PotP Deluxes for weeks if not months. I chalked this up to them not wanting to order new stock. However, we just had a brand new store open in my area, and I went in there day one. Conspicuously, everything was nice and stocked except those Deluxes. It does not behoove a store to open up with empty shelves. This makes it very likely even Walmart just can't get these toys right now.

It dawns on me that I am buying my new figures... just like vintage ones. Scrounging for sellers and paying disheartening markups... never seeing them on the shelves. The more I think about it, the weirder it gets.

What kind of Shattered Glass dystopia is this??

gothsaurus wrote:It dawns on me that I am buying my new figures... just like vintage ones. Scrounging for sellers and paying disheartening markups... never seeing them on the shelves. The more I think about it, the weirder it gets.

What kind of Shattered Glass dystopia is this??

If only this were Shattered Glass. At least then the vintage figures would be cheap.

I still can't figure out why they do this wave system at all. Release the whole line in one wave. More variety means less shelfwarmers and they stores will reorder as the figures run out. Putting things out in waves makes no sense because retailers don't pay attention to the wave numbers. If figures are shelfwarming, they will not order the next wave even if it counts as different product.

Lore Keeper wrote:Conspicuously, everything was nice and stocked except those Deluxes. It does not behoove a store to open up with empty shelves. This makes it very likely even Walmart just can't get these toys right now.

Yeah that should never happen, you are correct. I remember a Walmart store that opened in the summer of 2003. I walked right in with no problem.(not knowing it wasn't officially open, all people in the store were not dressed like employees, so I thought they were shoppers). I saw the pristine look of a brand new toy aisle, clean and fully stocked. Also it was the first time I saw Armada Unicron! Of course when I went to check out and pay for it, security bombarded me, and I was unable to purchase the item. Unfortunately Walmart employee intelligence has not improved over the past 15 years, which is why occasionally going there will bring me the joy of seeing something new, but more often it brings disappointment.

This is one of the major drawbacks of not having a dedicated toy store. Walmart and Target employee usually for the most part, just don't care.

DeathReviews wrote:

YoungPrime wrote:So in other words people who already have Wave 2's and are looking for Wave 3's will have to put up with Wave 2's shelf-warming since wave 2's still won't go to the places that missed them back in Feb. and the same will happen with wave 3's now which is why at this point I'm almost glad this line was short since, between the poor quality of Voyagers, Leaders and Titan's caused by stupid gimmicks no one asked for and that annoying Studio Series crap taking up Generations space (Shelf Warming of course), I'm just about done with TF collecting this year anyway....

Not until I get my Abominus!

Quality wise, the Terrorcon Limbs (Deluxe's) are the highlights of this current line IMO. Which is saying a lot considering that the more popular Dinobots and Predacon's are part of this line to.

I work at Target, and I personally stock all Transfomers at my store. We had two cases of Wave 2 deluxes, with just two Wave 1 Dreadwinds staying put. Never saw Hun-Grr and Elita-1, got an Inferno (skipping that one), and more Grimlocks and Starscreams. And we have several Liege Maximos, no other Prime Masters! The distribution is HORRIBLE. I may have to hunt Hun-Grr online, the skipping waves thing is painful. And I did have to order Misfire online. Found two Slugslingers though, one for me and the other for a friend. Felt like a lottery win.
I’ve told plenty of parents about collecting Volcanicus, and only have Grimlock to offer.
Whether it’s the retailers or Hasbro they need to get their crap together. How long does this go on?

We have sighting from the UK - thanks to our fellow Seibertronian Crankcase79 and the UK Sightings thread - for the second wave of the Transformers: Power of the Primes figures! Deluxe class Moonracer, Sludge, Rippersnapper and Blackwing are the ones in the image below, which hails from the Smyths toy store in Leeds Crown Point and shows the £16.99 price point for each, but there are reports of Voyagers making their way across the country too.

If you find these or any other Transformers figures, why not help fellow fans and collectors out by marking it down in our Sightings Database right here?

Sweet, time to head to Crown Point Thanks!

After Onyx Prime/Predaking, there are still 5 more Primes of the 13. 5 more "pretenders" to be released? Or 5 more figures with no shells? What of the upcoming Cybertron watchamacalit line?

Masterpiece Starsabre arrived this morning and there is no need for hasbro to do a new POTP version at all, I was using the distribution lulls to fill in my huge backlog of MPs that I am missing. The torso combine gimmick just feels like a POTP leader prequel figure and the way the deluxe robots hands cleverly extend leaving hollows seems to be mechanics they have used to effect in titans return figures. Looking forward to the wave 3 deluxes if/when they arrive over here tho I wish hasbro used takaras plastic tie less packaging like the legends line.

fenrir72 wrote:After Onyx Prime/Predaking, there are still 5 more Primes of the 13. 5 more "pretenders" to be released? Or 5 more figures with no shells? What of the upcoming Cybertron watchamacalit line?

At least one will be Waverider, retooled from Cloudburst. Predaking had a list of all 12 Prime Masters (The Arisen is not taken with the count, as he's represented by any Evolution Leader), the one coupled with Waverider should be black and off-white to grey:



Prima seems to be closest match, so that leaves Amalgamous and Nexus.

Amazon.com updated their Transformers Power of the Primes Counterpunch listing with not only a descritpion of the toy but a new name for the listing itself: Transformers Power of the Primes Punch-Counterpunch and Prima Prime

That right there gives us two solid new bits of info where we learn that the Prime Master the toy will come with is Prima Prime and that the toy can turn into both Punch and Counterpunch. The description states that this toy is meant to reflect the G1 toy and that it will be a premium release similar to the previous Arcee and Grotusque special releases.

Below is all the Amazon listings gives us for the descprition. It seems to be a completely new mold for it to achieve what is described.

Special Edition Transformers Generations Power of the Primes Figures
Deluxe Class Punch-Counterpunch figure converts between Autobot, Decepticon, and sports car modes
Punch-Counterpunch figure is designed to reflect the G1 release with 2 distinct robot modes and features premium details
Includes a special edition Prima Prime Master and comes in special edition packaging
Includes Deluxe Class Punch-Counterpunch figure, special edition Prima Prime Master figure, 2 accessories, and instructions. Ages 8 and up.

Celebrate the Prime Wars Trilogy with this special edition Power of the Primes Punch-Counterpunch figure. Featuring 2 robot modes (both Autobot and Decepticon) and a vehicle mode, the Autobot double agent was a huge hit when he was originally released in 1987. This version has been faithfully designed to reflect the original G1 figure. Plus, it comes with the special edition clear ice blue Prima Prime Master figure. The 5.5-inch scale Deluxe Class figure comes with a 1.5-scale Prima Prime Master figure and a Prime Armor accessory. Insert the Prime Master figure into the accessory, attach it to the figure's chest, and imagine Punch wields the power of a Prime. The Punch-Counterpunch figure converts from Decepticon to Autobot in 9 steps and from robot to sports car in 13 or 18 steps. The Prime Master figure converts between robot and spark modes in 1 step. Transformers all related characters are trademarks of Hasbro.

Of note, this will be the second of the "lost" Prime Masters released, after Onyx. Better, the Prime Armor is included! Calling Waverider right here and now!

YES! Now I'll never have to buy that tiny headed over priced exclusive to complete my rebirth cast!

Looks like Punch/Counterpunch is only going to have one blaster between both modes since one of the accessories has to be the Prime Master papoose.

O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

Oh crap, I misread that, too. Puch/Counterpunch is going to be one complicated figure basically having five modes: Punch, Counterpuch, car, arm, and leg. I was happier thinking he wasn't going to be a combiner and they'd be able to do something more G1 with the figure like giving it proper four arms. But either way I'm buying two.

So that's all of the exclusives counted for, right? I wonder what the plan will be for the last two and if they regret including Megatronus a second time with Blast Off?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

Oh crap, I misread that, too. Puch/Counterpunch is going to be one complicated figure basically having five modes: Punch, Counterpuch, car, arm, and leg. I was happier thinking he wasn't going to be a combiner and they'd be able to do something more G1 with the figure like giving it proper four arms. But either way I'm buying two.

So that's all of the exclusives counted for, right? I wonder what the plan will be for the last two and if they regret including Megatronus a second time with Blast Off?

Emerje

Repugnus, in addition to Titan Master Dastard (drat and double drat), will come with Solus Prime, who's normally available with Octopunch in Wave 3. So count a second one for the "regret"

so is this one of the $5 figs?

I can't wait until this comes out! I never thought we would ever see a G1 accurate Punch any time soon. The collectors club one is nice, but expensive, and I would like something better than that.

Wireless_Phantom wrote:YES! Now I'll never have to buy that tiny headed over priced exclusive to complete my rebirth cast!

Plot Twist: its that over priced Tiny Headed exclusive and he gets scalped so you have to pay more for him anyway.

(No, we dont know that this is who that is. Then again, we dont know its not who that is

I just want to know how we'll be getting Nexus and Amalgamous Primes.

Bounti76 wrote:I just want to know how we'll be getting Nexus and Amalgamous Primes.

Nexus Prime: gift set with redecos/retools of Inferno, Rook or Brawl, Vortex/Blades, Firefly/Quickslinger and Air Raid/Thrust or Skydive/Starscream.
Amalgamous: Great Shot

Is Punch/Counterpunch a combiner? Or a Titans Return figure? Or something new?

Broadside27 wrote:Is Punch/Counterpunch a combiner? Or a Titans Return figure? Or something new?

Most likely a new mold(with two robot modes) and combiner(as he comes with a prime armor).

What if Punch/Counterpunch is a retool of Jazz, with the head flipped around to go between chest and roof chests? And maybe actual rotating fists, since Jazz does have wrist joints even if they are useless, but this time they will be more useful?

Either way, stoked for Punch. Now I gotta hope that when Nemesis, Punch/Counterpunch, Blastoff, and Repugnus come in stock, I can scoop them up.

As for the final 2 Prime Masters, what if towards the end of the year we get 2 new boxsets, one with Monstructor and one with Dinoking, and they come with the final 2?

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

Oh crap, I misread that, too. Puch/Counterpunch is going to be one complicated figure basically having five modes: Punch, Counterpuch, car, arm, and leg. I was happier thinking he wasn't going to be a combiner and they'd be able to do something more G1 with the figure like giving it proper four arms. But either way I'm buying two.
Emerje

You know, what if this is a new mold or a heavy retool and the tradeoff for making 2 separate robot modes was ditching the combiner peg? The prime armor might be just that (armor) in this case.

8 steps to go from autobot to decepticon sounds like a little more than just a simple retool of an existing mold.

Confirmation that Prima is evil in new canon.

Also, retool for Shockwave/Onyx Prime when?

Thanks to a sighting reported on Ozformers by user Starshine, we have news that the newest leader class figure for Power of the Primes, Optimus Primal and Optimal Optimus, have been found at Australian retail! The figure was found at a Big W in Warringah Mall. It was the only Optimal Optimus available at that store, though it did have also have the other 3 leader figures currently available there as well. This release is set to correspond with the Australia Mid-Year Toy Sale, with the leader class deals beginning on June 21st.

Check out the image of Optimal below, and let us know if you plan to pick up this new Leader class figure! And when this guy shows up in the other regions of the world, let us know!

Good to see he's made it down here (along with Rodimus Unicronus apparently, whom I hadn't realised was in Australia yet either). If he's around during Big W's toy sale I may have to pick him up after all; he's not the most appealing to me but for under $70 it's hard to say no to such a unique figure.

Now all I need is for the Wave 2 Deluxes and Wave 3 Prime Masters to turn up around here, and I'll be all set for "needs" from this line... it's weirdly refreshing not feeling a compulsion to buy every single toy like I was doing during TR

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:What if Punch/Counterpunch is a retool of Jazz, with the head flipped around to go between chest and roof chests? And maybe actual rotating fists, since Jazz does have wrist joints even if they are useless, but this time they will be more useful?

Either way, stoked for Punch. Now I gotta hope that when Nemesis, Punch/Counterpunch, Blastoff, and Repugnus come in stock, I can scoop them up.

As for the final 2 Prime Masters, what if towards the end of the year we get 2 new boxsets, one with Monstructor and one with Dinoking, and they come with the final 2?

I spent about half the day trying to figure out what mold they might use (since I HIIIIIIIIIGHLY doubt they would use an entirely new mold) and the one that I thought would fit best is Jazz. Especially considering that, apart from sharing his combiner joint with Drag Strip, he is one of the VERY few to not get a repaint/remold/retool.

As for Prime Masters, I'm still not convinced that there will just be another wave. Given that SO MUCH of Power of the Primes was (unintentionally) leaked, I could see Hasbro withholding a wave of toys to be a surprise.

Thannak wrote:Confirmation that Prima is evil in new canon.

What!?

I'm confused as to how anyone could say prima is evil when it comes with an autobot who pretends to be a decepticon. Also the primes aren't overtly evil in this toyline as any faction can use any prime master for the abilities. Actually the only one that can be confirmed to be evil is megatronus.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

Oh crap, I misread that, too. Puch/Counterpunch is going to be one complicated figure basically having five modes: Punch, Counterpuch, car, arm, and leg. I was happier thinking he wasn't

going to be a combiner and they'd be able to do something more G1 with the figure like giving it proper four arms. But either way I'm buying two.
Emerje

You know, what if this is a new mold or a heavy retool and the tradeoff for making 2 separate robot modes was ditching the combiner peg? The prime armor might be just that (armor) in this case.

8 steps to go from autobot to decepticon sounds like a little more than just a simple retool of an existing mold.

It does to me too. But.... has there ever been an exclusive that has an all new mold before?...I can't remember if there has been. I've always known one to be a retool a just repaint of a previous mold.

I watched Emgo's review of Optimal Optimus yesterday, and I was a teensy bit disappointed. I mean, he only looks great in bot and munky modes, ok in "jet" mode(it gets a pass because that's what the original toy did), but I was most disappointed with Optimus Primal. I was willing to forgive the lack of munky mode for him because I thought he'd look good in spaceship/surfboard/slab mode, but no. It was just Primal folded up, with his giant backpack forming the front half. I was then willing to forgive THAT if Primal himself looked great and integrated into OPOP more, but double whoopsie. Primal only looks good in front,nowhere else, and he is only just a backpack for basically all modes. The cockpit can't fit a Titan/Prime Master, his weapons look awkward, and Optimal Optimus' munky mode only looks great with Primal integrated to it.

All that said, he's not a bad figure. He is definitely not perfect, but good. I like him. Is he worth retail price? For me, no. I might get him if he goes on sale though. For extreme BW fans though, I guess you'd probably like him.

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I watched Emgo's review of Optimal Optimus yesterday, and I was a teensy bit disappointed. I mean, he only looks great in bot and munky modes, ok in "jet" mode(it gets a pass because that's what the original toy did), but I was most disappointed with Optimus Primal. I was willing to forgive the lack of munky mode for him because I thought he'd look good in spaceship/surfboard/slab mode, but no. It was just Primal folded up, with his giant backpack forming the front half. I was then willing to forgive THAT if Primal himself looked great and integrated into OPOP more, but double whoopsie. Primal only looks good in front,nowhere else, and he is only just a backpack for basically all modes. The cockpit can't fit a Titan/Prime Master, his weapons look awkward, and Optimal Optimus' munky mode only looks great with Primal integrated to it.

All that said, he's not a bad figure. He is definitely not perfect, but good. I like him. Is he worth retail price? For me, no. I might get him if he goes on sale though. For extreme BW fans though, I guess you'd probably like him.

I want that Optimal Optimus because with a very slight mod, it turn into something AMAZING. Just click on that link below to see what I'm talking about, a few pages back:

transformers-power-of-the-primes-leaks-rumours-reveals-and-more-t108761s8450.php#p1964182

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I watched Emgo's review of Optimal Optimus yesterday, and I was a teensy bit disappointed. I mean, he only looks great in bot and munky modes, ok in "jet" mode(it gets a pass because that's what the original toy did), but I was most disappointed with Optimus Primal. I was willing to forgive the lack of munky mode for him because I thought he'd look good in spaceship/surfboard/slab mode, but no. It was just Primal folded up, with his giant backpack forming the front half. I was then willing to forgive THAT if Primal himself looked great and integrated into OPOP more, but double whoopsie. Primal only looks good in front,nowhere else, and he is only just a backpack for basically all modes. The cockpit can't fit a Titan/Prime Master, his weapons look awkward, and Optimal Optimus' munky mode only looks great with Primal integrated to it.

All that said, he's not a bad figure. He is definitely not perfect, but good. I like him. Is he worth retail price? For me, no. I might get him if he goes on sale though. For extreme BW fans though, I guess you'd probably like him.

I am not a BW fan. But will still get him. Btw bro, almost ALL TFs look like slag at the back and still look kick azz(and have awesome game play too)

Once you get them in hand, your perspective of him will change. Take PotP Optimus, don't even look at his back but Orion Pax as an individual is an awesome figure(just don't look behind , same with the "evolved" mode., just avoid putting too much looking behind.

I'd imagine the same too for this munkee jet.

several visible stress mark lines formed around the port when I put on abonimus' hand for the first time. don't know if it is just my copy of rippersnapper?

Cant wait to get my hands on that Optimus Primal. But I am even more excited that finally after all this time, I can replace my original G1 Punch/CP in my CHUG collection with a new figure. Really hoping that he turns out way cool. I would like no combiner or titan gimmick, but guess we have to wait and see. This will almost be all my B/C list character wants in Generations form. If I am lucky Punch/CP will have his TF: Headmasters head sculpt. Please, please.

Btw I find it interesting he's got a Maximal sigil on the box, rather than being 'retconned' into an Autobot for that line.

NTESHFT wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

Oh crap, I misread that, too. Puch/Counterpunch is going to be one complicated figure basically having five modes: Punch, Counterpuch, car, arm, and leg. I was happier thinking he wasn't

going to be a combiner and they'd be able to do something more G1 with the figure like giving it proper four arms. But either way I'm buying two.
Emerje

You know, what if this is a new mold or a heavy retool and the tradeoff for making 2 separate robot modes was ditching the combiner peg? The prime armor might be just that (armor) in this case.

8 steps to go from autobot to decepticon sounds like a little more than just a simple retool of an existing mold.

It does to me too. But.... has there ever been an exclusive that has an all new mold before?...I can't remember if there has been. I've always known one to be a retool a just repaint of a previous mold.

There have been new-mold exclusives, but only the animated stuff are coming to mind.

Nicorange wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O crap, misread. No Decoy Armor, but Prime Armor, the Hand kind... Still calling Micronus/Cloudburst retool.

Oh crap, I misread that, too. Puch/Counterpunch is going to be one complicated figure basically having five modes: Punch, Counterpuch, car, arm, and leg. I was happier thinking he wasn't

going to be a combiner and they'd be able to do something more G1 with the figure like giving it proper four arms. But either way I'm buying two.
Emerje

You know, what if this is a new mold or a heavy retool and the tradeoff for making 2 separate robot modes was ditching the combiner peg? The prime armor might be just that (armor) in this case.

8 steps to go from autobot to decepticon sounds like a little more than just a simple retool of an existing mold.

It does to me too. But.... has there ever been an exclusive that has an all new mold before?...I can't remember if there has been. I've always known one to be a retool a just repaint of a previous mold.

There have been new-mold exclusives, but only the animated stuff are coming to mind.

Just riffing here but do the Clones from TR count? Or Deluxe CW Groove? Even Shuttle Blast off? The last two weren't really "new" but new to the Western market.

All that counts, as does RID legion Megatronus who was a tRU exclusive as well as all those TLK Hot Rod toys which were Walmart exclusives. We have gotten lots of new mold exclusives in the past 3 years

Skritz wrote:Btw I find it interesting he's got a Maximal sigil on the box, rather than being 'retconned' into an Autobot for that line.

Like they did for the Universe repaints.
Got Depth Charge and he's awesome. But his on top of his head have been changed for a . Like all the other Beast Wars repaints in Universe. Still, the molded under his wings remain, but they are not painted.

william-james88 wrote:All that counts, as well as all those TLK Hot Rod toys which were Walmart exclusives.

I thought most of the TLK Hot Rod figures were actually remolds of AOE Lockdown.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:All that counts, as well as all those TLK Hot Rod toys which were Walmart exclusives.

I thought most of the TLK Hot Rod figures were actually remolds of AOE Lockdown.

The Deluxe certainly was I'm not sure about the little Legends/Cyberverse/whatever version. I imagine P/C will be the same way. I'm thinking he'll be a massive retool in the same way as Grotusque out of Twinferno where the only recognizable parts were the legs. Jazz could work, but as he is his windshield will be in the way of his Counterpunch head and the hood coming down over Punch's chest would be very inaccurate. Maybe they could use the hood to make Punch's arms and then the existing Jazz arms for Counterpuch with the hood forming shoulder pads. Could work, but they'd have to be very creative.

Emerje

Can't wait to get my hands on that Optimal Optimus. Not sure how easy it will be. I do know the transformers section of the toy aisles for all the Target's and Walmart's have gotten really slender since the last of the movie toys are pretty much all gone. They are pushing the Studio Series pretty hard but not stocking new POTP stuff or even restocking what they had.

fenrir72 wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I watched Emgo's review of Optimal Optimus yesterday, and I was a teensy bit disappointed. I mean, he only looks great in bot and munky modes, ok in "jet" mode(it gets a pass because that's what the original toy did), but I was most disappointed with Optimus Primal. I was willing to forgive the lack of munky mode for him because I thought he'd look good in spaceship/surfboard/slab mode, but no. It was just Primal folded up, with his giant backpack forming the front half. I was then willing to forgive THAT if Primal himself looked great and integrated into OPOP more, but double whoopsie. Primal only looks good in front,nowhere else, and he is only just a backpack for basically all modes. The cockpit can't fit a Titan/Prime Master, his weapons look awkward, and Optimal Optimus' munky mode only looks great with Primal integrated to it.

All that said, he's not a bad figure. He is definitely not perfect, but good. I like him. Is he worth retail price? For me, no. I might get him if he goes on sale though. For extreme BW fans though, I guess you'd probably like him.

I am not a BW fan. But will still get him. Btw bro, almost ALL TFs look like slag at the back and still look kick azz(and have awesome game play too)

Once you get them in hand, your perspective of him will change. Take PotP Optimus, don't even look at his back but Orion Pax as an individual is an awesome figure(just don't look behind , same with the "evolved" mode., just avoid putting too much looking behind.

I'd imagine the same too for this munkee jet.

I agree with you completely. I mean, I don't even mind POTP Rodimus' backpack for Primus sake! I really like Optimal Optimus, he's cool looking and to have waist articulation on a gimmick filled Hasbro retail figure is unheard of. It's just Optimus Primal himself. That backpack is way too big for me. Everything else though, is fine except that I can't put a Titan/Prime Master in the cockpit. Now, I thought about it, and I might actually get him at full retail price. He's still the best Leader of this line, so I think he's worth it now. That should mean something because I'm not a BW fan

Nathaniel Prime wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I watched Emgo's review of Optimal Optimus yesterday, and I was a teensy bit disappointed. I mean, he only looks great in bot and munky modes, ok in "jet" mode(it gets a pass because that's what the original toy did), but I was most disappointed with Optimus Primal. I was willing to forgive the lack of munky mode for him because I thought he'd look good in spaceship/surfboard/slab mode, but no. It was just Primal folded up, with his giant backpack forming the front half. I was then willing to forgive THAT if Primal himself looked great and integrated into OPOP more, but double whoopsie. Primal only looks good in front,nowhere else, and he is only just a backpack for basically all modes. The cockpit can't fit a Titan/Prime Master, his weapons look awkward, and Optimal Optimus' munky mode only looks great with Primal integrated to it.

All that said, he's not a bad figure. He is definitely not perfect, but good. I like him. Is he worth retail price? For me, no. I might get him if he goes on sale though. For extreme BW fans though, I guess you'd probably like him.

I am not a BW fan. But will still get him. Btw bro, almost ALL TFs look like slag at the back and still look kick azz(and have awesome game play too)

Once you get them in hand, your perspective of him will change. Take PotP Optimus, don't even look at his back but Orion Pax as an individual is an awesome figure(just don't look behind , same with the "evolved" mode., just avoid putting too much looking behind.

I'd imagine the same too for this munkee jet.

I agree with you completely. I mean, I don't even mind POTP Rodimus' backpack for Primus sake! I really like Optimal Optimus, he's cool looking and to have waist articulation on a gimmick filled Hasbro retail figure is unheard of. It's just Optimus Primal himself. That backpack is way too big for me. Everything else though, is fine except that I can't put a Titan/Prime Master in the cockpit. Now, I thought about it, and I might actually get him at full retail price. He's still the best Leader of this line, so I think he's worth it now. That should mean something because I'm not a BW fan

Do what others have done and knock off the pin, allowing the Optimal Optimus part of him to retain most, if not all modes. Oh and it gives you a bonus cybertronian mode 'actionmaster' Optimus Primal too.