Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday
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The Vector Sigma Facebook page has made some handy comparisons between the toys that were revealed on Fan First Friday. It's funny to see that in some cases, the 3D renders were themselves simply redeco'd or retooled. The Soundwave and casette comparison are most interesting. For Soundwave, we see that very little has changed in terms of tooling and yet a totally different alt mode was achieved. For the casettes, we see that each of them are indeed retooled (look at Ravage's head) and you can see how different the deco is.
Optimus is the same mold and you can see the slight deco changes. We also see that Elita-1's vehicle mode was indeed retooled, ever so slightly. Let us know what you think of these and which ones you hope to pick up.
Optimus is the same mold and you can see the slight deco changes. We also see that Elita-1's vehicle mode was indeed retooled, ever so slightly. Let us know what you think of these and which ones you hope to pick up.
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Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072678)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 4:24pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 4:24pm CDT
Even though I already own Siege Soundwave, I'd be down for that ER set.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072680)
Posted by The Lonely Cracker on July 18th, 2020 @ 4:39pm CDT
Posted by The Lonely Cracker on July 18th, 2020 @ 4:39pm CDT
Is it just me, or are transformations that involve ripping off a chunk of the vehicle mode as a half-assed "shield" getting way too damn common?
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072682)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 4:45pm CDT
That kind of Transformation irked me since G1 Blurr.
Sure, it's a shortcut for a clean altmode, but if you lose the part, you're screwed.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 4:45pm CDT
The Lonely Cracker wrote:Is it just me, or are transformations that involve ripping off a chunk of the vehicle mode as a half-assed "shield" getting way too damn common?
That kind of Transformation irked me since G1 Blurr.
Sure, it's a shortcut for a clean altmode, but if you lose the part, you're screwed.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072687)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 5:07pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 5:07pm CDT
...I thought we'd previously established that the ER Datsun mold had zero parts in common with the SIEGE one. Shouldn't Prowl be getting compared to ER Smokescreen and not the SIEGE mold?
...You know what Ironhide's roof shield reminds me of, actually, from the proportions?
That.
With Bumblebee and Cliffjumper it was probably to make the altmode re-shell easier, although it is a bit annoying. Still, at least you can put it on the back without it being overly bulky in their case.
The ER Arcee mold... yech. In that case it's pretty blatantly done as part of making the mold a shellformer so they could give us a rather "meh" Elita.
@Kanrabat At least Blurr's prow/shield looks like a shield (*gives ER Arcee the hairy eyeball*). The Titans Return mold improved things by making removing it optional. Plus it has an extra use there.
G1 Blurr's shield honestly isn't too far from the "chunk of the altmode detaching to be a gun or a sword or whatever" that dominated design from Beast Wars through the Unicron Trilogy, and wasn't uncommon in Classics through Animated.
A bit. In Ironhide's case it's because it was the only way to give the SIEGE mold an Earth car roof while A. keeping the legs as oblong blocks and B. keeping it a Deluxe (the full-fledged G1 battle sled would have made him a Voyager from the sheer mass; I would have happily paid for that though, I really want that, and so I am disappointed it's not what we got). Ironhide at least has precedent for a removable platform even if a roof shield/gun turret is a shadow of the G1 toy's component, and at least in his case the length and width of the roof (plus the relative flatness) does enough to make it not look stupid as a shield.The Lonely Cracker wrote:Is it just me, or are transformations that involve ripping off a chunk of the vehicle mode as a half-assed "shield" getting way too damn common?
...You know what Ironhide's roof shield reminds me of, actually, from the proportions?
That.
With Bumblebee and Cliffjumper it was probably to make the altmode re-shell easier, although it is a bit annoying. Still, at least you can put it on the back without it being overly bulky in their case.
The ER Arcee mold... yech. In that case it's pretty blatantly done as part of making the mold a shellformer so they could give us a rather "meh" Elita.
@Kanrabat At least Blurr's prow/shield looks like a shield (*gives ER Arcee the hairy eyeball*). The Titans Return mold improved things by making removing it optional. Plus it has an extra use there.
G1 Blurr's shield honestly isn't too far from the "chunk of the altmode detaching to be a gun or a sword or whatever" that dominated design from Beast Wars through the Unicron Trilogy, and wasn't uncommon in Classics through Animated.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072689)
Posted by Burn on July 18th, 2020 @ 5:32pm CDT
Posted by Burn on July 18th, 2020 @ 5:32pm CDT
Fans first? Not if you live outside the US it seems.
Courtesy of OzFormers.
So basically if it's not coming to Australia, it'll be through EB Games/Zing which is about double the normal retail price.
Guess I'm done collecting then.
Courtesy of OzFormers.
QUINTESSON PIT OF JUDGEMENT 5-Pack - could be here at EB Games and Mr Toys, but still need to secure stock (to be confirmed later)
-
WFC-GS19 - Rotorstorm - will be at EB Gamese in OCTOBER (and NZ)
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WFC-GS11 DECEPTICON EXHAUST - not expected here (source it online if possible)
WFC-GS12 GREASEPIT - will be at EB Games in SEPTEMBER (and NZ)
WFC-GS13 HUBCAP - will be at EB Games in SEPTEMBER (and NZ)
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E7460 - WFC-E27 Seeker Elite 2-pack (Ramjet & Dirge) - not expected here
E7461 - WFC-E31 Autobot Alliance 2-pack (Ironhide & Prowl) - not expected here
(the 2-packs are both Amazon exclusives in the US, so hopefully they show up as import listings on Amazon Australia like Alternate Universe (dead) Optimus did this week)
-
Netflix wave 2 - not expected here (the Netflix toyline is doing too well, making it difficult to get stock for Australia)
So basically if it's not coming to Australia, it'll be through EB Games/Zing which is about double the normal retail price.
Guess I'm done collecting then.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072690)
Posted by Omegatron. on July 18th, 2020 @ 5:36pm CDT
This comparison isn't very helpful since the render of ER Prime used here is inaccurate. The actual toy has the silver stripe on the side of its alt-mode and light blue eyes, just like the new toy. This comparison also misses out on the actual big difference between the two toys, the grey inner legs on ER Prime.
Posted by Omegatron. on July 18th, 2020 @ 5:36pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
This comparison isn't very helpful since the render of ER Prime used here is inaccurate. The actual toy has the silver stripe on the side of its alt-mode and light blue eyes, just like the new toy. This comparison also misses out on the actual big difference between the two toys, the grey inner legs on ER Prime.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072691)
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:11pm CDT
Are you able to purchase from Amazon Japan?
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:11pm CDT
Burn wrote:Fans first? Not if you live outside the US it seems.
Courtesy of OzFormers.QUINTESSON PIT OF JUDGEMENT 5-Pack - could be here at EB Games and Mr Toys, but still need to secure stock (to be confirmed later)
-
WFC-GS19 - Rotorstorm - will be at EB Gamese in OCTOBER (and NZ)
-
WFC-GS11 DECEPTICON EXHAUST - not expected here (source it online if possible)
WFC-GS12 GREASEPIT - will be at EB Games in SEPTEMBER (and NZ)
WFC-GS13 HUBCAP - will be at EB Games in SEPTEMBER (and NZ)
-
E7460 - WFC-E27 Seeker Elite 2-pack (Ramjet & Dirge) - not expected here
E7461 - WFC-E31 Autobot Alliance 2-pack (Ironhide & Prowl) - not expected here
(the 2-packs are both Amazon exclusives in the US, so hopefully they show up as import listings on Amazon Australia like Alternate Universe (dead) Optimus did this week)
-
Netflix wave 2 - not expected here (the Netflix toyline is doing too well, making it difficult to get stock for Australia)
So basically if it's not coming to Australia, it'll be through EB Games/Zing which is about double the normal retail price.
Guess I'm done collecting then.
Are you able to purchase from Amazon Japan?
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072692)
Posted by Burn on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:18pm CDT
Probably not. Still comes down to the issue of price. Why pay $80AU+ for a figure that the same size class retails for $49AU? It's not worth it.
Posted by Burn on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:18pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Are you able to purchase from Amazon Japan?
Probably not. Still comes down to the issue of price. Why pay $80AU+ for a figure that the same size class retails for $49AU? It's not worth it.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072693)
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:29pm CDT
Not to mention the render of Netflix Prime has the silver stipes on the sides of the truck mode, but not on his arms, and his thighs are red in truck mode. It's almost like they tried to make both modes look as good as possible regardless of whether they were consistent with each other or representative of the final toy.
So basically, who knows what his deco will be.
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:29pm CDT
Omegatron. wrote:william-james88 wrote:
This comparison isn't very helpful since the render of ER Prime used here is inaccurate. The actual toy has the silver stripe on the side of its alt-mode and light blue eyes, just like the new toy. This comparison also misses out on the actual big difference between the two toys, the grey inner legs on ER Prime.
Not to mention the render of Netflix Prime has the silver stipes on the sides of the truck mode, but not on his arms, and his thighs are red in truck mode. It's almost like they tried to make both modes look as good as possible regardless of whether they were consistent with each other or representative of the final toy.
So basically, who knows what his deco will be.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072694)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:30pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:30pm CDT
Of course, if they would stop reinventing the slagging wheel with Optimus' transformation...
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072695)
Posted by o.supreme on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:31pm CDT
That really stinks. I was actually hoping it would be Siege Prime since I don't have that version yet. Since I already have ER prime, I guess I'm reduced to trying to get the BMs seperately online, or just getting the whole thing and trying to sell Optimus by himself.
Posted by o.supreme on July 18th, 2020 @ 6:31pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
That really stinks. I was actually hoping it would be Siege Prime since I don't have that version yet. Since I already have ER prime, I guess I'm reduced to trying to get the BMs seperately online, or just getting the whole thing and trying to sell Optimus by himself.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072699)
Posted by TheForgottenTaxi on July 18th, 2020 @ 7:15pm CDT
Posted by TheForgottenTaxi on July 18th, 2020 @ 7:15pm CDT
Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072700)
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 7:53pm CDT
Sorry about that, man
You and me both.
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 7:53pm CDT
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:Are you able to purchase from Amazon Japan?
Probably not. Still comes down to the issue of price. Why pay $80AU+ for a figure that the same size class retails for $49AU? It's not worth it.
Sorry about that, man
TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072702)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on July 18th, 2020 @ 7:56pm CDT
...having seen your proof and looked back, I realize there never was any explicit proof of Thrust being the Wave 4 Voyager, a lot of people here just assumed he would be since he was the only ER/WFC figure in that listings leak to not explicitly be an exclusive (or in Exhaust and Greasepit's case, be proven later to be an exclusive, since they were missing the Selects denomination at first), and the fact that Coneheads require their own retooling made it seem likely at least one of them would be a retail figure to get that version of the mold on the shelves. I thought that the Seeker prefix on the name was to solve trademark issues, but didn't notice that it was printed that way on the tag and therefore wasn't part of the retail assortment.
I guess this means we're fully back to square one of having absolutely no idea who's in Wave 4 then!
This has kinda been a reoccuring issue with the renders in this trilogy overall so far, so I basically only trust the renders for Bumblebee and Soundwave. Other examples of the inconsistent/untrustworthy renders include:
-Siege Hound's windshield being green
-Siege Sixgun's head turning white in alt mode, along with other parts being presented as white that were later red
-Siege Red Alert's renders having the wrong head and better different colored arms (and this new Red Alert's render is even that same incorrect render but with extra battle damage, so it's ALSO wrong)
-Siege Spinister's guns changing color in alt mode
-ER Starscream growing a second pair of null rays from somewhere in alt mode
-ER Ramjet and Dirge already showing different coloration to their renders the day they were revealed
Posted by Nemesis Primal on July 18th, 2020 @ 7:56pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:2 thrust will be an exclusive of some sort, he isn't part of the main voyager assortment.
Since when? I thought he was the Wave 4 Voyager.
I wrote above the proof to him being an exclusive single release so I now wonder, where did you see that it would be part of wave 4?
...having seen your proof and looked back, I realize there never was any explicit proof of Thrust being the Wave 4 Voyager, a lot of people here just assumed he would be since he was the only ER/WFC figure in that listings leak to not explicitly be an exclusive (or in Exhaust and Greasepit's case, be proven later to be an exclusive, since they were missing the Selects denomination at first), and the fact that Coneheads require their own retooling made it seem likely at least one of them would be a retail figure to get that version of the mold on the shelves. I thought that the Seeker prefix on the name was to solve trademark issues, but didn't notice that it was printed that way on the tag and therefore wasn't part of the retail assortment.
I guess this means we're fully back to square one of having absolutely no idea who's in Wave 4 then!
Tuned Agent wrote:Not to mention the render of Netflix Prime has the silver stipes on the sides of the truck mode, but not on his arms, and his thighs are red in truck mode. It's almost like they tried to make both modes look as good as possible regardless of whether they were consistent with each other or representative of the final toy.
So basically, who knows what his deco will be.
This has kinda been a reoccuring issue with the renders in this trilogy overall so far, so I basically only trust the renders for Bumblebee and Soundwave. Other examples of the inconsistent/untrustworthy renders include:
-Siege Hound's windshield being green
-Siege Sixgun's head turning white in alt mode, along with other parts being presented as white that were later red
-Siege Red Alert's renders having the wrong head and better different colored arms (and this new Red Alert's render is even that same incorrect render but with extra battle damage, so it's ALSO wrong)
-Siege Spinister's guns changing color in alt mode
-ER Starscream growing a second pair of null rays from somewhere in alt mode
-ER Ramjet and Dirge already showing different coloration to their renders the day they were revealed
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072703)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:10pm CDT
Soundwave... Call me crazy, but I kinda prefer SIEGE to the retool version. The mold is somewhat "meh" to me in either form because it can only hold the Micromaster "cassettes" and those are undersize and IMO kinda junky (even with their greater articulation), so I can't treat them as powerup bodies like I can the TR Spy Tablet versions. I'm one of the few who likes the SIEGE version's "flying barge" altmode, and so that's kinda the one saving grace of the mold for me (although frankly if I never get either version of him, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it).
If this new tape deck Soundwave had been a new, slightly bigger mold instead of a retool, I'd be all over it, but as it is... eh.
And since he means we probably won't see another Voyager tape deck Soundwave for a while... I think I'll just source some parts and kitbash my G1 Soundwave (who scales nicely with Generations figs and can use proper-size cassettes) to have modern-standard articulation. Sigh.
I totally understand if you nevertheless regret buying SIEGE Soundwave after this, though. Hopefully you only paid store price for him and not eBay scalper price.
Will, I ask again: Why is Prowl being compared to the SIEGE version? The comparison is about retools, and I seem to recall it being determined that the ER Datsun mold shared no parts with SIEGE. Shouldn't Prowl be being compared to ER Smokescreen, the figure he's actually a retool of?
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:10pm CDT
I don't think you're a sucker. Sideswipe, Hound, Chromia, and Mirage aren't getting remakes, the Weaponizers from SIEGE aren't getting remakes, the Battlemasters aren't getting remakes, Spinister and Impactor aren't getting remakes, Springer and Apeface aren't getting remakes, the SIEGE Seekers model the decidedly-different Cybertronian altmode (and you're especially not a sucker for getting Redwing or the Rainmakers if you got them), Skyfire (if you got him) isn't getting shoved into other parts of WFC, SIEGE didn't have Coneheads or Bumblebee, SIEGE Megatron is better than ER IMO, SIEGE Ratchet and Ironhide give decent Cybertronian van modes that can pass as sorta-Earthly if you squint (plus they're more cartoon-accurate in robot mode because of the rectangular windshields) and for my money the earth mode by itself is not enough in their case... SIEGE Prowl and Optimus, there's less of a difference.. but they're as good as we could get for Cybertronian modes with the cartoon-accuracy stipulation, and I think SIEGE Optimus' axe is more interesting than Trailerless ER Optimus' Battlemaster redecoes (and if you want an Energon axe, the weapons pack that comes with the Centurion has a more cartoon accurate one). Yes, there's some stuff getting redone, but there's also plenty of SIEGE stuff that stands and a lot of new stuff in ER.TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
Soundwave... Call me crazy, but I kinda prefer SIEGE to the retool version. The mold is somewhat "meh" to me in either form because it can only hold the Micromaster "cassettes" and those are undersize and IMO kinda junky (even with their greater articulation), so I can't treat them as powerup bodies like I can the TR Spy Tablet versions. I'm one of the few who likes the SIEGE version's "flying barge" altmode, and so that's kinda the one saving grace of the mold for me (although frankly if I never get either version of him, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it).
If this new tape deck Soundwave had been a new, slightly bigger mold instead of a retool, I'd be all over it, but as it is... eh.
And since he means we probably won't see another Voyager tape deck Soundwave for a while... I think I'll just source some parts and kitbash my G1 Soundwave (who scales nicely with Generations figs and can use proper-size cassettes) to have modern-standard articulation. Sigh.I totally understand if you nevertheless regret buying SIEGE Soundwave after this, though. Hopefully you only paid store price for him and not eBay scalper price.
Will, I ask again: Why is Prowl being compared to the SIEGE version? The comparison is about retools, and I seem to recall it being determined that the ER Datsun mold shared no parts with SIEGE. Shouldn't Prowl be being compared to ER Smokescreen, the figure he's actually a retool of?
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072704)
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:17pm CDT
... I just realized that every one of my Siege toys except for Spinister has already gotten remade. I'll be right there with you guys if the new Ratchet gets a Marvel-accurate helmet deco.
It makes me wonder why they even bother with the CG renders. They must cost something to make, and they almost always look worse than official product images.
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:17pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
... I just realized that every one of my Siege toys except for Spinister has already gotten remade. I'll be right there with you guys if the new Ratchet gets a Marvel-accurate helmet deco.
Nemesis Primal wrote:Tuned Agent wrote:Not to mention the render of Netflix Prime has the silver stipes on the sides of the truck mode, but not on his arms, and his thighs are red in truck mode. It's almost like they tried to make both modes look as good as possible regardless of whether they were consistent with each other or representative of the final toy.
So basically, who knows what his deco will be.
This has kinda been a reoccuring issue with the renders in this trilogy overall so far, so I basically only trust the renders for Bumblebee and Soundwave. Other examples of the inconsistent/untrustworthy renders include:
-Siege Hound's windshield being green
-Siege Sixgun's head turning white in alt mode, along with other parts being presented as white that were later red
-Siege Red Alert's renders having the wrong head and better different colored arms (and this new Red Alert's render is even that same incorrect render but with extra battle damage, so it's ALSO wrong)
-Siege Spinister's guns changing color in alt mode
-ER Starscream growing a second pair of null rays from somewhere in alt mode
-ER Ramjet and Dirge already showing different coloration to their renders the day they were revealed
It makes me wonder why they even bother with the CG renders. They must cost something to make, and they almost always look worse than official product images.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072705)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:22pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:22pm CDT
So, you didn't get Hound, Springer, Apeface, Sideswipe, Impactor, Mirage, Chromia, the Rainmakers, Skyfire, Omega Supreme, or any of the Weaponizers or Battlemasters?Tuned Agent wrote:william-james88 wrote:TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
... I just realized that every one of my Siege toys except for Spinister has already gotten remade. I'll be right there with you guys if the new Ratchet gets a Marvel-accurate helmet deco.
They probably cost less than running off physical copies, and they're probably made using the same CAD assets used in the manufacturing processTuned Agent wrote:It makes me wonder why they even bother with the CG renders. They must cost something to make, and they almost always look worse than official product images.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072706)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:24pm CDT
I'd agree if my goal was to only have a "mini MP" of ONE of each specific characters. But I kinda love having both the cybertronian and Earth modes of the same character side by side.
Especially for the seekers. So much so that for the first time in over 10 years of collecting, I will have the Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker trio... and TWICE on top of that. Siege AND Earthrise. I just have to wait for my ER 2-pack to arrive.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:24pm CDT
TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
I'd agree if my goal was to only have a "mini MP" of ONE of each specific characters. But I kinda love having both the cybertronian and Earth modes of the same character side by side.
Especially for the seekers. So much so that for the first time in over 10 years of collecting, I will have the Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker trio... and TWICE on top of that. Siege AND Earthrise. I just have to wait for my ER 2-pack to arrive.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072707)
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:30pm CDT
I dont know, why not ask the people who did this?
https://www.facebook.com/19759046038048 ... 811077239/
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:30pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Will, I ask again: Why is Prowl being compared to the SIEGE version?
I dont know, why not ask the people who did this?
https://www.facebook.com/19759046038048 ... 811077239/
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072708)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:33pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:33pm CDT
SIEGE figures remade in ER/the Netflix line
* Starscream (only half-counts IMO, because of how blatantly different the Cybertronian mode is)
* Skywarp (ditto)
* Thundercracker (ditto)
* Semi truck Optimus (mind you, his remake was at a higher price point because of the trailer; and the trailerless Netflix version is still pricier because of the Battlemasters)
* Ratchet(?)
* Ironhide
* Megatron
* Prowl
* Smokescreen (although his SIEGE version was hard to get anyway)
* Bluestreak(?)
* Soundwave
SIEGE figures not remade:
* Sideswipe
* Mirage
* Hound
* Impactor
* Refraktor
* Brunt
* Cog
* Six-gun
* Springer
* Apeface
* Spinister
* Redwing
* Acid Storm
* Ion Storm
* Nova Storm
* Chromia
* Firedrive
* Blowpipe
* Aimless (more's the pity)
* "Caliburst" (same)
* Pteraxadon
* Smashdown (shared figure)
* Rung (shared figure)
* Lionizer
* Skyfire
* Omega Supreme
* Shockwave
* Ultra Magnus
* Astrotrain (shared figure)
* Galaxy Upgrade Optimus
* Starscream (only half-counts IMO, because of how blatantly different the Cybertronian mode is)
* Skywarp (ditto)
* Thundercracker (ditto)
* Semi truck Optimus (mind you, his remake was at a higher price point because of the trailer; and the trailerless Netflix version is still pricier because of the Battlemasters)
* Ratchet(?)
* Ironhide
* Megatron
* Prowl
* Smokescreen (although his SIEGE version was hard to get anyway)
* Bluestreak(?)
* Soundwave
SIEGE figures not remade:
* Sideswipe
* Mirage
* Hound
* Impactor
* Refraktor
* Brunt
* Cog
* Six-gun
* Springer
* Apeface
* Spinister
* Redwing
* Acid Storm
* Ion Storm
* Nova Storm
* Chromia
* Firedrive
* Blowpipe
* Aimless (more's the pity)
* "Caliburst" (same)
* Pteraxadon
* Smashdown (shared figure)
* Rung (shared figure)
* Lionizer
* Skyfire
* Omega Supreme
* Shockwave
* Ultra Magnus
* Astrotrain (shared figure)
* Galaxy Upgrade Optimus
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072709)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:38pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:38pm CDT
Can't believe Zelda forgot Refraktor!
Well, he have been remade once and repainted once in Siege so that's 3 versions in Siege already.
All freaking worth it. Especially the special 3 pack.
Well, he have been remade once and repainted once in Siege so that's 3 versions in Siege already.
All freaking worth it. Especially the special 3 pack.
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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:42pm CDT
Thanks for reminding me about Refraktor tho. He has been added to the list.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:42pm CDT
Well, I don't count new-character redecoes or special editions of the same base toy as remakes.-Kanrabat- wrote:Can't believe Zelda forgot Refraktor!
Well, he have been remade once and repainted once in Siege so that's 3 versions in Siege already.
All freaking worth it. Especially the special 3 pack.
Thanks for reminding me about Refraktor tho. He has been added to the list.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:52pm CDT
Netfix repaint don't really count, but you can consider the 3 pack to be a remake, with those remolding and extra accessories.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 18th, 2020 @ 8:52pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I don't count new-character redecoes or special editions of the same base toy as remakes.-Kanrabat- wrote:Can't believe Zelda forgot Refraktor!
Well, he have been remade once and repainted once in Siege so that's 3 versions in Siege already.
All freaking worth it. Especially the special 3 pack.
Thanks for reminding me about Refraktor tho. He has been added to the list.
Netfix repaint don't really count, but you can consider the 3 pack to be a remake, with those remolding and extra accessories.
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Posted by Tuned Agent on July 18th, 2020 @ 9:07pm CDT
No, though there are a couple figures I would still like to get that haven't been remade.
Also, I think you forgot the cassettes on the list.
That's a good point about the CAD assets, but I'm not sure it would really be cheaper. They still have to make production samples for testing and stuff, so theoretically they could just make an extra for photos.
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 18th, 2020 @ 9:07pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So, you didn't get Hound, Springer, Apeface, Sideswipe, Impactor, Mirage, Chromia, the Rainmakers, Skyfire, Omega Supreme, or any of the Weaponizers or Battlemasters?Tuned Agent wrote:william-james88 wrote:TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
... I just realized that every one of my Siege toys except for Spinister has already gotten remade. I'll be right there with you guys if the new Ratchet gets a Marvel-accurate helmet deco.
No, though there are a couple figures I would still like to get that haven't been remade.
Also, I think you forgot the cassettes on the list.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:They probably cost less than running off physical copies, and they're probably made using the same CAD assets used in the manufacturing processTuned Agent wrote:It makes me wonder why they even bother with the CG renders. They must cost something to make, and they almost always look worse than official product images.
That's a good point about the CAD assets, but I'm not sure it would really be cheaper. They still have to make production samples for testing and stuff, so theoretically they could just make an extra for photos.
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Posted by o.supreme on July 18th, 2020 @ 9:31pm CDT
Is it because you believe the Earthrise versions are better, or the Netflix decos are better? By coincidence, none of the Siege toys I purchased have been redecoed for Netflix yet, exception the BM's, which are for the most part copies anyway. That is the one way Hasbro is suckering me.
Posted by o.supreme on July 18th, 2020 @ 9:31pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
Is it because you believe the Earthrise versions are better, or the Netflix decos are better? By coincidence, none of the Siege toys I purchased have been redecoed for Netflix yet, exception the BM's, which are for the most part copies anyway. That is the one way Hasbro is suckering me.
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Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 10:37pm CDT
Just more to my taste for some like Soundwave and the datsuns. If everything was known in advance I'd only buy those and not the siege versions as well. That soundwave pisses me off most though since those renders reaks of them designing the tapedeck first and then putting something out before the main mold use. We used to see it with redecos in TR but at least those were passed off as different characters.
Posted by william-james88 on July 18th, 2020 @ 10:37pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
Is it because you believe the Earthrise versions are better, or the Netflix decos are better? By coincidence, none of the Siege toys I purchased have been redecoed for Netflix yet, exception the BM's, which are for the most part copies anyway. That is the one way Hasbro is suckering me.
Just more to my taste for some like Soundwave and the datsuns. If everything was known in advance I'd only buy those and not the siege versions as well. That soundwave pisses me off most though since those renders reaks of them designing the tapedeck first and then putting something out before the main mold use. We used to see it with redecos in TR but at least those were passed off as different characters.
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Posted by Flashwave on July 18th, 2020 @ 10:44pm CDT
Posted by Flashwave on July 18th, 2020 @ 10:44pm CDT
Soo, I do like Earthrise Prowl and will be glad to own it,
, but I think I will be in the minority and say I prefer Siege. I like the hood chest better, the contours and shape of it, and man those Earthrise wheels with the obvious stupid clips is fugly compared to the wheels in Siege. They should know better than that
, but I think I will be in the minority and say I prefer Siege. I like the hood chest better, the contours and shape of it, and man those Earthrise wheels with the obvious stupid clips is fugly compared to the wheels in Siege. They should know better than that
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Posted by TulioDude on July 18th, 2020 @ 10:53pm CDT
Posted by TulioDude on July 18th, 2020 @ 10:53pm CDT
Ironhide has the same wheels from his Cybertronian mode?
I gonna wait the Netflix show comeout before saying any of these are a "must have".
Day 201 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
I gonna wait the Netflix show comeout before saying any of these are a "must have".
Day 201 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 18th, 2020 @ 11:08pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 18th, 2020 @ 11:08pm CDT
The more I look at that Elita, the more I like the PoTP figure, even though I wasn't a big fan of it before. Soubdwave, Ironhide and Prowl kinda irritate me, now I'm not sure I want to keep the Siege versions.
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Posted by o.supreme on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:09am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:09am CDT
With respect to the contents of the new mystery box, I'm going to change my prediction....
Trying to go by "number of steps" dosen't really help since the number on the Mystery box dosen't match the retail releases of any leaders, even the Siege Ultra Magnus, and Netflix mystery boxes steps didn't match.
So, going by the idea that Hasbro likes to get at least 2 uses of Every mold...
Siege UM has had 2 releases
Siege Shockwave has also had 2 releases (I forgot about Selects Galactic Man)
Additionally with the help of fans here, and on other sites that translated some of the text as Giza, that seems to point towards a Nemesis Prime of some kind. A Siege version of the standard Prime has already been released as Nemesis, and that was not Leader Class.
It seems likely that it could be (as others have guessed), a Nemesis version of the Galaxy Upgrade Prime with a Translucent purple Pteraxadon BM (as Giza) representing dark energon. My only resistance to this is that it doesn't seem like a direction the animated series would go in, but who knows. (Based on the idea of Optimus actually turning evil, as opposed to Nemesis Prime being a separate being). It could go either way.
I'd actually be happier with some sort of repaint of Astrotrain or Doubledealer, but that seems highly unlikely, and Earthrise Prime has the dead Amazon exclusive, and another release in Netflix minus trailer, but with 2BM's.
Trying to go by "number of steps" dosen't really help since the number on the Mystery box dosen't match the retail releases of any leaders, even the Siege Ultra Magnus, and Netflix mystery boxes steps didn't match.
So, going by the idea that Hasbro likes to get at least 2 uses of Every mold...
Siege UM has had 2 releases
Siege Shockwave has also had 2 releases (I forgot about Selects Galactic Man)
Additionally with the help of fans here, and on other sites that translated some of the text as Giza, that seems to point towards a Nemesis Prime of some kind. A Siege version of the standard Prime has already been released as Nemesis, and that was not Leader Class.
It seems likely that it could be (as others have guessed), a Nemesis version of the Galaxy Upgrade Prime with a Translucent purple Pteraxadon BM (as Giza) representing dark energon. My only resistance to this is that it doesn't seem like a direction the animated series would go in, but who knows. (Based on the idea of Optimus actually turning evil, as opposed to Nemesis Prime being a separate being). It could go either way.
I'd actually be happier with some sort of repaint of Astrotrain or Doubledealer, but that seems highly unlikely, and Earthrise Prime has the dead Amazon exclusive, and another release in Netflix minus trailer, but with 2BM's.
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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:25am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:25am CDT
Prowl... The contours are six of one, half a dozen of the other. The headlights on the ER version look like they'd be easier to pop out and convert into proper Datsun headlights, but you'd also need to saw off the spoiler.
PotP Elita is nice and tall, and has a decent rendition of Elita's robot mode including her shoulder guns/antennae. The Netflix version has all of ER Arcee's design baggage (and seems to be the reason for most of said design flaws - easier to swap an unintegrated body), literally comes up short, the shoulder things are barely present, and she overall comes off as undersize and scrawny.. They would have been better off doing Ariel.Rodimus Prime wrote:The more I look at that Elita, the more I like the PoTP figure, even though I wasn't a big fan of it before. Soubdwave, Ironhide and Prowl kinda irritate me, now I'm not sure I want to keep the Siege versions.
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Posted by Sabrblade on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:31am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:31am CDT
What if they go with the story idea of Shockwave cloning Optimus and then upgrading and enhancing his clone to explain the Galaxy Upgrade mold's visual differences from the Voyager mold's standard Optimus look?o.supreme wrote:It seems likely that it could be (as others have guessed), a Nemesis version of the Galaxy Upgrade Prime with a Translucent purple Pteraxadon BM (as Giza) representing dark energon. My only resistance to this is that it doesn't seem like a direction the animated series would go in, but who knows. (Based on the idea of Optimus actually turning evil, as opposed to Nemesis Prime being a separate being). It could go either way.
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Posted by TheForgottenTaxi on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:40am CDT
Both? The Siege toys I bought were:
Megatron (got a much nicer Netflix Deco and ER version)
Sideswipe (Netflix deco, though I do still like the original.)
Hound (Ditto)
Optimus (wound up shelling out for the Earthrise)
Ironhide (Earthrise exclusive looks better)
Prowl (ditto)
Ratchet (Probably will get an Earthrise version before we're through)
Soundwave, Laserbeak, Ravage (New Soundwave looks a bit better, the tapes look much better)
Shockwave (Hey an actual winner!)
Apeface (Not redone, but also the worst of these toys.)
Yeah, some Siege toys were not redone, and the Cybertronian modes have their charms. And the Siege figures ARE legitimately good toys...
...but it suuuure feels like Hasbro knew fans would want the G1 accurate versions, and released the Cybertronian ones first in the hopes we'd buy similar toys twice.
Posted by TheForgottenTaxi on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:40am CDT
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Gotta say, I'm increasingly feeling like a sucker for buying any Siege toys.
You and me both.
Is it because you believe the Earthrise versions are better, or the Netflix decos are better? By coincidence, none of the Siege toys I purchased have been redecoed for Netflix yet, exception the BM's, which are for the most part copies anyway. That is the one way Hasbro is suckering me.
Both? The Siege toys I bought were:
Megatron (got a much nicer Netflix Deco and ER version)
Sideswipe (Netflix deco, though I do still like the original.)
Hound (Ditto)
Optimus (wound up shelling out for the Earthrise)
Ironhide (Earthrise exclusive looks better)
Prowl (ditto)
Ratchet (Probably will get an Earthrise version before we're through)
Soundwave, Laserbeak, Ravage (New Soundwave looks a bit better, the tapes look much better)
Shockwave (Hey an actual winner!)
Apeface (Not redone, but also the worst of these toys.)
Yeah, some Siege toys were not redone, and the Cybertronian modes have their charms. And the Siege figures ARE legitimately good toys...
...but it suuuure feels like Hasbro knew fans would want the G1 accurate versions, and released the Cybertronian ones first in the hopes we'd buy similar toys twice.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:09am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:09am CDT
Yeah, I'm feeling a bit foolish as well because of that. I think the ER versions look better than the Siege versions, and even though it's technically 3 lines making up the trilogy, I consider it 1 line and I usually get 1 figure per character per line. Yeah, technically they're different, so I might be able to make do in my collection that way, but in hindsight, I should have waited. I was thinking that maybe Hasbro would use the spaces in the lines to bring us different characters instead of reashing the same ones, save for Prime and Megatron, of course. That was expected.
As for Elita, I think she should have gotten her own Voyager (or at least tall deluxe) mold, and Arcee could have been redecoed into the other fembots. We have enough of them. My only problem with PoTP Elita is mainly the plane kibble in bot mode.
As for Elita, I think she should have gotten her own Voyager (or at least tall deluxe) mold, and Arcee could have been redecoed into the other fembots. We have enough of them. My only problem with PoTP Elita is mainly the plane kibble in bot mode.
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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:10am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:10am CDT
@TheForgottenTaxi:
Thing is, the Cybertronian ones ARE largely G1 accurate as far as robot mode goes. Which (except for the Seekers and the hat trick worked with their wings and intakes) works to their detriment, because the artists couldn't be arsed to give anyone but Laserbeak a Cybertronian robot mode
And the only Autobot whose Cybertronian vehicle mode has a prayer of working with that is Jazz...
Also, more SIEGE figures have not been redone than have. Sideswipe, Hound, Mirage, and Chromia in particular seem meant as definitive versions of them for the trilogy (and Sideswipe is blatantly an Earth car).
And of course, some of the re-dos are lateral moves G1 accuracy-wise (*cough*ER Megatron*cough*). For my money, ER Ironhide falls into that category. Prowl too, really, especially since apparently only his chest was retooled from Smokescreen (and not well enough - bloody "modern car" headlights); he still has the feet with the spoiler according to the render. It's not like Smokescreen where the SIEGE Selects version didn't have the Smokescreen-specific spoiler and and air dam (and is a now-rarespensive figure).
I wonder if it's possible that some of the Earth Mode rehashes were actually in response to fan-wailing over the SIEGE modes.
Thing is, the Cybertronian ones ARE largely G1 accurate as far as robot mode goes. Which (except for the Seekers and the hat trick worked with their wings and intakes) works to their detriment, because the artists couldn't be arsed to give anyone but Laserbeak a Cybertronian robot mode
And the only Autobot whose Cybertronian vehicle mode has a prayer of working with that is Jazz...Also, more SIEGE figures have not been redone than have. Sideswipe, Hound, Mirage, and Chromia in particular seem meant as definitive versions of them for the trilogy (and Sideswipe is blatantly an Earth car).
And of course, some of the re-dos are lateral moves G1 accuracy-wise (*cough*ER Megatron*cough*). For my money, ER Ironhide falls into that category. Prowl too, really, especially since apparently only his chest was retooled from Smokescreen (and not well enough - bloody "modern car" headlights); he still has the feet with the spoiler according to the render. It's not like Smokescreen where the SIEGE Selects version didn't have the Smokescreen-specific spoiler and and air dam (and is a now-rarespensive figure).
I wonder if it's possible that some of the Earth Mode rehashes were actually in response to fan-wailing over the SIEGE modes.
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Posted by Emerje on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:56am CDT
That's a good point about the CAD assets, but I'm not sure it would really be cheaper. They still have to make production samples for testing and stuff, so theoretically they could just make an extra for photos.[/quote]
They already use those for hand painted displays at conventions, the CG images are just an advanced look since Hasbro doesn't like to show off unpainted prototypes and those take time.
Crazy idea but what if the spoiler figure is Nemesis Prime using the Siege mold with ER Prime's trailer left over from the Netflix Voyager?
People complaining about buying the same characters in two lines must think I'm crazy for buying everything with a WFC logo on it.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:56am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:They probably cost less than running off physical copies, and they're probably made using the same CAD assets used in the manufacturing processTuned Agent wrote:It makes me wonder why they even bother with the CG renders. They must cost something to make, and they almost always look worse than official product images.
That's a good point about the CAD assets, but I'm not sure it would really be cheaper. They still have to make production samples for testing and stuff, so theoretically they could just make an extra for photos.[/quote]
They already use those for hand painted displays at conventions, the CG images are just an advanced look since Hasbro doesn't like to show off unpainted prototypes and those take time.
Crazy idea but what if the spoiler figure is Nemesis Prime using the Siege mold with ER Prime's trailer left over from the Netflix Voyager?
People complaining about buying the same characters in two lines must think I'm crazy for buying everything with a WFC logo on it.
Emerje
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Posted by Dannshinigami on July 19th, 2020 @ 3:16am CDT
Posted by Dannshinigami on July 19th, 2020 @ 3:16am CDT
The parts coming off will be even more common when BW characters hit as thats how they got their weapons in the originals so cant see them changing that.
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Posted by Emerje on July 19th, 2020 @ 6:33am CDT
Beast Wars is why I don't care about things like roof shields. Besides, we figured out a long time ago that Earthrise was the shield line. Just from wave 1 Soundbarrier turns into a shield, Cliffjumper has a part that turns into a shield, Ironworks has a shield built into his arm, and Optimus has a shield made from the trailer door. After that you've got two more Battle Masters turning into shields, Arcee's backpack shield, Airwave's built in arm shield, Trailbreaker's truck bed cap, Pretty sure Megatron has a shield made from the gap filler on the back of the tank (usually attacked to his "spear" in photos), and Scorponok has the biggest shield of all. That doesn't even count all the exclusive repaints. This is definitely the shield line. Whether it was intended that way or Warden was just phoning it in in the end is anyone's guess.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on July 19th, 2020 @ 6:33am CDT
Dannshinigami wrote:The parts coming off will be even more common when BW characters hit as thats how they got their weapons in the originals so cant see them changing that.
Beast Wars is why I don't care about things like roof shields. Besides, we figured out a long time ago that Earthrise was the shield line. Just from wave 1 Soundbarrier turns into a shield, Cliffjumper has a part that turns into a shield, Ironworks has a shield built into his arm, and Optimus has a shield made from the trailer door. After that you've got two more Battle Masters turning into shields, Arcee's backpack shield, Airwave's built in arm shield, Trailbreaker's truck bed cap, Pretty sure Megatron has a shield made from the gap filler on the back of the tank (usually attacked to his "spear" in photos), and Scorponok has the biggest shield of all. That doesn't even count all the exclusive repaints. This is definitely the shield line. Whether it was intended that way or Warden was just phoning it in in the end is anyone's guess.
Emerje
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 19th, 2020 @ 6:45am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 19th, 2020 @ 6:45am CDT
ER is the Shield line.
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Posted by william-james88 on July 19th, 2020 @ 7:51am CDT
Can't be. Toys are a two year process, so these were past the design stage before Siege was even out. And like I said, those renders make it seem like that Soundwave mold was designed as having a dual purpose at the design stage.
Also I dont get the hate for the removeable top of Ironhide's van, it's a G1 homage. No one was upset when we saw it with Blurr in TR.
Posted by william-james88 on July 19th, 2020 @ 7:51am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
I wonder if it's possible that some of the Earth Mode rehashes were actually in response to fan-wailing over the SIEGE modes.
Can't be. Toys are a two year process, so these were past the design stage before Siege was even out. And like I said, those renders make it seem like that Soundwave mold was designed as having a dual purpose at the design stage.
Also I dont get the hate for the removeable top of Ironhide's van, it's a G1 homage. No one was upset when we saw it with Blurr in TR.
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Posted by Evil Eye on July 19th, 2020 @ 8:14am CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on July 19th, 2020 @ 8:14am CDT
Gotta say, as someone that hasn't been able to get any WFC trilogy figs so far due to reasons I won't bore you with, I actually don't think all the ER "replacement" figs are straight upgrades, or at least not to the point where I'd say I'd feel ripped off for getting the Siege version. Putting aside the fact that the Siege versions are meant to be Cybertronian/pre-Earth, and thus not directly comparable, a lot of these seem like sidegrades, to me at least.
>Soundwave I actually think the Siege mold looks a bit better (also IMO the fanmoded tape deck works quite well as a satellite, which combined with his tape bomber mode makes me think of him as a G1ified version of ROTF Soundwave), and as someone that honestly doesn't care too much for him being a tape deck, eh.
>Megatron I definitely prefer the Siege version, though he is one of the weaker molds from what I've seen.
>The Seekers are a tough one- I'm a jet nerd of course, but the tetrajet mode IMO at least looks brilliant, especially for a mode long thought impossible to achieve, and the robot mode is straight-up superior to the ER version.
>Ironhide I personally prefer Siege to ER, as the vehicle mode kinda works as an armoured truck, and ER's somewhat dodgy vehicle mode and lazy partsforming shield drag him down a bit.
There are some where I feel ER wins- Prime in particular, and also Prowl- but on the whole I wouldn't say anyone who bought the Siege versions are necessarily suckers. And some figures like Shockwave and Reflector are basically perfect anyway.
>Soundwave I actually think the Siege mold looks a bit better (also IMO the fanmoded tape deck works quite well as a satellite, which combined with his tape bomber mode makes me think of him as a G1ified version of ROTF Soundwave), and as someone that honestly doesn't care too much for him being a tape deck, eh.
>Megatron I definitely prefer the Siege version, though he is one of the weaker molds from what I've seen.
>The Seekers are a tough one- I'm a jet nerd of course, but the tetrajet mode IMO at least looks brilliant, especially for a mode long thought impossible to achieve, and the robot mode is straight-up superior to the ER version.
>Ironhide I personally prefer Siege to ER, as the vehicle mode kinda works as an armoured truck, and ER's somewhat dodgy vehicle mode and lazy partsforming shield drag him down a bit.
There are some where I feel ER wins- Prime in particular, and also Prowl- but on the whole I wouldn't say anyone who bought the Siege versions are necessarily suckers. And some figures like Shockwave and Reflector are basically perfect anyway.
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Posted by TheForgottenTaxi on July 19th, 2020 @ 9:31am CDT
Eh, Prowl is as much blatantly an earth car as Sideswipe, and they redid him. At this rate, I will not be shocked if we get full earth-mode versions of Sideswipe and Hound.
While the shield sucks, I much prefer the look of the ER Ironhide -- I like the black over the grey for the shoulders and such, like the chest better, and the thing that really puts it over the top is what appears to be a better head sculpt.
(Speaking of lazy partsformers: Bumblebee's shield has to be the most egregious, but more than anything I'm kinda shocked they gave him Cliffjumper's gun. Feels like appropriate accessories are a relatively easy way to differentiate repaints/remolds -- Siege Ratchet's bits did a lot in that regard.)
Anyway, the net effect of Hasbro's strategy here is that it makes me reluctant to buy toys in this line period, at least for popular characters. I feel like I'm supposed to wait it out and buy the best versions in a year or two -- any late fee I pay will be made up for by not having to try to sell stuff like Siege Ironhide and Prowl that nobody will want.
Posted by TheForgottenTaxi on July 19th, 2020 @ 9:31am CDT
Sideswipe, Hound, Mirage, and Chromia in particular seem meant as definitive versions of them for the trilogy (and Sideswipe is blatantly an Earth car).
Eh, Prowl is as much blatantly an earth car as Sideswipe, and they redid him. At this rate, I will not be shocked if we get full earth-mode versions of Sideswipe and Hound.
While the shield sucks, I much prefer the look of the ER Ironhide -- I like the black over the grey for the shoulders and such, like the chest better, and the thing that really puts it over the top is what appears to be a better head sculpt.
(Speaking of lazy partsformers: Bumblebee's shield has to be the most egregious, but more than anything I'm kinda shocked they gave him Cliffjumper's gun. Feels like appropriate accessories are a relatively easy way to differentiate repaints/remolds -- Siege Ratchet's bits did a lot in that regard.)
Anyway, the net effect of Hasbro's strategy here is that it makes me reluctant to buy toys in this line period, at least for popular characters. I feel like I'm supposed to wait it out and buy the best versions in a year or two -- any late fee I pay will be made up for by not having to try to sell stuff like Siege Ironhide and Prowl that nobody will want.
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Posted by blackeyedprime on July 19th, 2020 @ 10:36am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on July 19th, 2020 @ 10:36am CDT
I'm kind of hoping for earth mode hound and sideswipe and I'd be more than happy to replace my siege red alert with an improved car/bot mode. If I can pick up an earthrise ratchet it might sway me on the ironhide (which will no doubt be stupidly hard to get by the time a likely stupidly hard to get Ratchet comes out).
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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 19th, 2020 @ 11:16am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 19th, 2020 @ 11:16am CDT
@Black Hat
I don't see the ER figs as "straight upgrades" either. Especially not the Seekers. Although except for Soundwave the non-Seeker Cybertronian altmodes are a tad more lackluster than, say, those of Animated because cartoon accuracy stuck them with Earth robot modes. I also agree about SIEGE Megs being better than ER.
2. SIEGE Ironhide's chest is somewhat more cartoon-accurate, at least when transformed properly, because the animation model turns the a reaslistically-shaped Earth vannette windshield into a rectangle in robot mode. But I can understand liking the realistically-shaped windshield more.
3. I don't think that is a new headsculpt, but I can't be sure.
I don't see the ER figs as "straight upgrades" either. Especially not the Seekers. Although except for Soundwave the non-Seeker Cybertronian altmodes are a tad more lackluster than, say, those of Animated because cartoon accuracy stuck them with Earth robot modes. I also agree about SIEGE Megs being better than ER.
Fair enough, and I was mainly thinking of Prowl and Ironhide anyway.william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
I wonder if it's possible that some of the Earth Mode rehashes were actually in response to fan-wailing over the SIEGE modes.
Can't be. Toys are a two year process, so these were past the design stage before Siege was even out. And like I said, those renders make it seem like that Soundwave mold was designed as having a dual purpose at the design stage.
Well, I'm annoyed by it because it's only the top and thus a shadow of the G1 toy's removable component.william-james88 wrote:Also I dont get the hate for the removeable top of Ironhide's van, it's a G1 homage. No one was upset when we saw it with Blurr in TR.
No, he isn't. He's got clear wheels, his doors don't have handles, he doesn't have distinct taillights the way Sideswipe does...TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Sideswipe, Hound, Mirage, and Chromia in particular seem meant as definitive versions of them for the trilogy (and Sideswipe is blatantly an Earth car).
Eh, Prowl is as much blatantly an earth car as Sideswipe, and they redid him.
I'll be surprised.TheForgottenTaxi wrote:At this rate, I will not be shocked if we get full earth-mode versions of Sideswipe and Hound.
1. Given that ER Ironhide started as SIEGE Ironhide, making the roof removable was the only way to give him the rounded Onebox roof. At least, without spoiling the blockiness of his arms and legs. As Will pointed out, having his roof come off is a feature in common with the G1 toy, although a shield/gun turret (per word of the announcement video) is but a shadow of the original Onebox component.TheForgottenTaxi wrote:While the shield sucks, I much prefer the look of the ER Ironhide -- I like the black over the grey for the shoulders and such, like the chest better, and the thing that really puts it over the top is what appears to be a better head sculpt.
2. SIEGE Ironhide's chest is somewhat more cartoon-accurate, at least when transformed properly, because the animation model turns the a reaslistically-shaped Earth vannette windshield into a rectangle in robot mode. But I can understand liking the realistically-shaped windshield more.
3. I don't think that is a new headsculpt, but I can't be sure.
I think the Arcee mold's shield is more egregious, on account of the seats and how unlike the Cliffjumper mold she already has an egregious backpack without putting that piece of kibble on her back. As for the accessories, given what was previously shown about Hubcap we have no idea if they're giving us accurate info with those renders.TheForgottenTaxi wrote:(Speaking of lazy partsformers: Bumblebee's shield has to be the most egregious, but more than anything I'm kinda shocked they gave him Cliffjumper's gun. Feels like appropriate accessories are a relatively easy way to differentiate repaints/remolds -- Siege Ratchet's bits did a lot in that regard.)
Fine, be bitter and paranoid that Hasbro is deliberately trying to scam you, and disregard all the figures that aren't getting remakes.TheForgottenTaxi wrote:Anyway, the net effect of Hasbro's strategy here is that it makes me reluctant to buy toys in this line period, at least for popular characters. I feel like I'm supposed to wait it out and buy the best versions in a year or two -- any late fee I pay will be made up for by not having to try to sell stuff like Siege Ironhide and Prowl that nobody will want.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072754)
Posted by sol magnus on July 19th, 2020 @ 11:23am CDT
That head on Earthrise Prowl is Bluestreak's head. I've already made arrangements to get another Prowl to swap heads when my set arrives.
Posted by sol magnus on July 19th, 2020 @ 11:23am CDT
william-james88 wrote:The Vector Sigma Facebook page has made some handy comparisons between the toys that were revealed on Fan First Friday. It's funny to see that in some cases, the 3D renders were themselves simply redeco'd or retooled. The Soundwave and casette comparison are most interesting. For Soundwave, we see that very little has changed in terms of tooling and yet a totally different alt mode was achieved. For the casettes, we see that each of them are indeed retooled (look at Ravage's head) and you can see how different the deco is.
Optimus is the same mold and you can see the slight deco changes. We also see that Elita-1's vehicle mode was indeed retooled, ever so slightly. Let us know what you think of these and which ones you hope to pick up.
That head on Earthrise Prowl is Bluestreak's head. I've already made arrangements to get another Prowl to swap heads when my set arrives.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072755)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 19th, 2020 @ 11:49am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on July 19th, 2020 @ 11:49am CDT
Seeing them side by side, do you think the Ironhide "shield" will be attachable to the SIEGE mold?
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072757)
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:08pm CDT
Hey, wait a minute... with all the inaccuracies with these renders, how do we know that there isn't a Prowl head mold too, and the render just used the wrong one?
I doubt it, I don't think the driver and passenger side windows with work with the Siege tooling.
Posted by Tuned Agent on July 19th, 2020 @ 12:08pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:
That head on Earthrise Prowl is Bluestreak's head. I've already made arrangements to get another Prowl to swap heads when my set arrives.
Hey, wait a minute... with all the inaccuracies with these renders, how do we know that there isn't a Prowl head mold too, and the render just used the wrong one?
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Seeing them side by side, do you think the Ironhide "shield" will be attachable to the SIEGE mold?
I doubt it, I don't think the driver and passenger side windows with work with the Siege tooling.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072767)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on July 19th, 2020 @ 1:36pm CDT
For the sake of avoiding disappointment later, I feel obligated to let you know/remind you that Siege Ironhide's shoulders and such were originally shown to be black as well, so once again the render colors may not be accurate to the final product:
Also pretty sure he's got the same head sculpt, just possibly with less Siege greeble.
Posted by Nemesis Primal on July 19th, 2020 @ 1:36pm CDT
TheForgottenTaxi wrote:While the shield sucks, I much prefer the look of the ER Ironhide -- I like the black over the grey for the shoulders and such, like the chest better, and the thing that really puts it over the top is what appears to be a better head sculpt.
For the sake of avoiding disappointment later, I feel obligated to let you know/remind you that Siege Ironhide's shoulders and such were originally shown to be black as well, so once again the render colors may not be accurate to the final product:
Also pretty sure he's got the same head sculpt, just possibly with less Siege greeble.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072769)
Posted by bluecatcinema on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:03pm CDT
It's a better option than having a piece of kibble stuck on the back of the robot mode, I'd say.
Posted by bluecatcinema on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:03pm CDT
The Lonely Cracker wrote:Is it just me, or are transformations that involve ripping off a chunk of the vehicle mode as a half-assed "shield" getting way too damn common?
It's a better option than having a piece of kibble stuck on the back of the robot mode, I'd say.
Re: Comparison Images Between The Various Retooled Toys Revealed Friday (2072770)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:08pm CDT
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on July 19th, 2020 @ 2:08pm CDT
Another thing to consider with digital renders, sometimes they use the mirror image on accident. Look a Earthrise Ironhide in both modes. The attachment of his wipers at the bottom of the windshield switches sides, when it should remain the same.
