Combiner Wars G2 Bruticus found for $40 at Burlington Coat Factory

I have one in my area, and the toy section is always a total mess. Will be back there first thing tomorrow.

This is encouraging, because I'm not sure I should even bother canvassing TJ Marshaxx for these anymore. Only one of the half-dozen or so Marshalls in the genreal Novi/Canton/Livonia area (that I know of) ever got G2 Superion and Menasor in (Ford road, by Ikea, for fellow Michiganders), and when I called them 2 weeks ago, someone told me that those were just specials for the Christmas rush, and there's no chance of anything like that coming back in stock until they do some back-to-school specials sometime in this summer. I keep making the rounds anyway, since I missed G2 Dudicus and Compy's HTS blowout, and you never know what you'll find there.

But yeah, "Coat Factory" just doesn't stick on your toy radar, even once you know they carry them, now does it?

Bumblevivisector wrote:I have one in my area, and the toy section is always a total mess. Will be back there first thing tomorrow.

This is encouraging, because I'm not sure I should even bother canvassing TJ Marshaxx for these anymore. Only one of the half-dozen or so Marshalls in the genreal Novi/Canton/Livonia area (that I know of) ever got G2 Superion and Menasor in (Ford road, by Ikea, for fellow Michiganders), and when I called them 2 weeks ago, someone told me that those were just specials for the Christmas rush, and there's no chance of anything like that coming back in stock until they do some back-to-school specials sometime in this summer. I keep making the rounds anyway, since I missed G2 Dudicus and Compy's HTS blowout, and you never know what you'll find there.

But yeah, "Coat Factory" just doesn't stick on your toy radar, even once you know they carry them, now does it?

I've worked at BCF, and they actually made the move to drop "Coat Factory" from most of their advertising a couple years ago. And I can also confirm that the way they order stuff is rather odd. We get Hasbro cases on a regular basis, though it's usually a hodgepodge of several different toylines such as Transformers, My Little Pony, etc. So, while I can't say for certain that every stores gonna have TFs year-round, I would definitely check around sales and holidays, as they tend to go for giftset-esque items.

Well thanks Seibertron, now I need this toy

SONOFA!!!!!!
I knew I should've posted those pictures I took last week when I found 3 of him at my local Burlington.
Anyways here they are:

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Anyways, I also found some RID stuff there too, which I'll be posting in that thread.

DestronMirage22 wrote:SONOFA!!!!!!
I knew I should've posted those pictures I took last week when I found 3 of him at my local Burlington.
Anyways here they are:

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The sign in the upper corner

Stupid broken leg!!! Hopefully there will be some in 3 weeks when I can drive again.

I work at Marshalls and toys for us are light this time of year. Picky up closer to Easter.

Kurona wrote:Well thanks Seibertron, now I need this toy

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And if you're feeling crafty you can do the same thing the hard way

Kurona wrote:Well thanks Seibertron, now I need this toy

What is funny is this the the photo from Seibertron that I see stolen and used on ebay most. Most of them used it for the main photo too either not realizing or not caring that it is of a customization and not the retail version. I used to point it out to sellers that they are using a photo improperly that doesn't depict the actual item, and most would take the photo down.

It is quite a testament to the quality of the photos here though, great work.

If anyone would be kind and grab one for me let me know. Thx

i searched high and low across 3 states but wasn't able to find g2 superion anywhere.

Kurona wrote:Well thanks Seibertron, now I need this toy

I have him + Blackjack

Check B&M + The Original Factory Store for Rodimus & Blackjack

STPrime wrote:i searched high and low across 3 states but wasn't able to find g2 superion anywhere.

I live in a top 20 populated area in the United States, and only saw a couple quite accidentally. For the most part CW box sets were not available in stores in the U.S., only in Canada, and other countries. Here you had to pretty much purchase them online. If you search back through this thread you will see the occasional sighting in a store, but those were probably mostly errors, or "Market 6" findings (TJ Maxx, Ross, Marshalls etc.. and now I guess we can add Burlington to that list as well) .

o.supreme wrote:

STPrime wrote:i searched high and low across 3 states but wasn't able to find g2 superion anywhere.

I live in a top 20 populated area in the United States, and only saw a couple quite accidentally. For the most part CW box sets were not available in stores in the U.S., only in Canada, and other countries. Here you had to pretty much purchase them online. If you search back through this thread you will see the occasional sighting in a store, but those were probably mostly errors, or "Market 6" findings (TJ Maxx, Ross, Marshalls etc.. and now I guess we can add Burlington to that list as well) .

Yea the G2 sets were readily available at Marshalls and TJM in the NYC/NJ area during the holidays. Haven't seen it at all since.

STPrime wrote:i searched high and low across 3 states but wasn't able to find g2 superion anywhere.

He is right here for over 25% off and free shipping.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B011MIX2 ... ans+return?tag=seibertron07-20&

Deluxe Groove is now "shelfwarming" at Amazon.com. Who would have thought. If anyone anywhere in the world is still looking for him, here he is for just $17

https://www.amazon.com/Hasbro-Transform ... rds=groove?tag=seibertron07-20&

william-james88 wrote:Hes not out yet, officially. Worst case scenario is that you will have to import him from the either the chosen prime or somewhere else (BBTS maybe). he will only be 11 pounds, so while you might cut a loss for shipping, at least you wont be taxed when it arrives due to its low declared value. Your defensor will be complete, you'll just have to pay the shipping for a groove sold elsewhere. And thats IF Kapow doesnt restock when groove actually gets released.

I wrote this back in May and this is me being true to my word. Though due to Brexit, Groove is now 13,53 pounds rather than 11. But still, what I wrote holds. He is available for cheap for whoever wants him, and that low price should offset the shipping. We all just needed a bit of patience.

Good for the folks still looking. I payed for him, but I enjoyed the thrill of the hunt and found that hit to be worth paying the extra for. So I regret nothing.

I think I paid the full $17 in early summer also, but again no regrets. Still I do find it odd that a whole case of Deluxe Groove showed up at a Wal-Mart in my area in December... I don't know if a scalper picked them up, but they were all gone last I checked. I figured even at $10 a pop, after shipping etc... the profit from selling them on eBay, if any wouldn't have really been worth it.

o.supreme wrote:I think I paid the full $17 in early summer also, but again no regrets. Still I do find it odd that a whole case of Deluxe Groove showed up at a Wal-Mart in my area in December... I don't know if a scalper picked them up, but they were all gone last I checked. I figured even at $10 a pop, after shipping etc... the profit from selling them on eBay, if any wouldn't have really been worth it.

it really wouldnt, I doubt be could sell them for less than 17$ shipped.

And Insurgent, I am glad you commented since this was mainly in response to our discussion 8 months ago. But yeah another consolation is not just the hunt but the fact that none of us could predict he would be readily available 5 months after the facts back when he was rarer than a chicken with teeth in may.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I think I paid the full $17 in early summer also, but again no regrets. Still I do find it odd that a whole case of Deluxe Groove showed up at a Wal-Mart in my area in December... I don't know if a scalper picked them up, but they were all gone last I checked. I figured even at $10 a pop, after shipping etc... the profit from selling them on eBay, if any wouldn't have really been worth it.

it really wouldnt, I doubt be could sell them for less than 17$ shipped.

And Insurgent, I am glad you commented since this was mainly in response to our discussion 8 months ago. But yeah another consolation is not just the hunt but the fact that none of us could predict he would be readily available 5 months after the facts back when he was rarer than a chicken with teeth in may.

some were going for $30 even in september when he was released

Bumblebee21 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I think I paid the full $17 in early summer also, but again no regrets. Still I do find it odd that a whole case of Deluxe Groove showed up at a Wal-Mart in my area in December... I don't know if a scalper picked them up, but they were all gone last I checked. I figured even at $10 a pop, after shipping etc... the profit from selling them on eBay, if any wouldn't have really been worth it.

it really wouldnt, I doubt be could sell them for less than 17$ shipped.

And Insurgent, I am glad you commented since this was mainly in response to our discussion 8 months ago. But yeah another consolation is not just the hunt but the fact that none of us could predict he would be readily available 5 months after the facts back when he was rarer than a chicken with teeth in may.

some were going for $30 even in september when he was released

So? O.supreme was talking about December. Back when he was readily available for cheap.

Slingshot and Wildrider never appeared after like this, did they? Sometimes patience pays off. Sometimes it's less about owning it and more about finding it. You have a better memory than me as I can't remember our discussion 8 months ago. Main reason I commented is because it feels lately that the focus of these threads (and news) is about finding them for the cheapest possible option and less about actually owning it. I understand budgets and people want the best value, heck even I do, but past few months it just seems like the cheapest thing is the only motiviation. So I wanted to throw in my opinion and have a little nudge about other reasons.


I have a feeling that's what our discussion was about 8 months ago. Haha.

Insurgent wrote:Slingshot and Wildrider never appeared after like this, did they?

Not that I am aware of, that's why it seemed more practical for me as someone jumping in late to CW/UW just to get the UW sets. Btw...

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

Insurgent wrote:Slingshot and Wildrider never appeared after like this, did they? Sometimes patience pays off. Sometimes it's less about owning it and more about finding it. You have a better memory than me as I can't remember our discussion 8 months ago. Main reason I commented is because it feels lately that the focus of these threads (and news) is about finding them for the cheapest possible option and less about actually owning it. I understand budgets and people want the best value, heck even I do, but past few months it just seems like the cheapest thing is the only motiviation. So I wanted to throw in my opinion and have a little nudge about other reasons.


I have a feeling that's what our discussion was about 8 months ago. Haha.

HA! Well it was about finding it for a fair price. In the end, 17$ for Groove is only a good deal in the context of how hard it was to get it for that price. But that was the same price Wildrider and Slingshot were when first released, they were just standard retail prices (plus shipping, which took a good chunk). And to answer your question, those two were not available this long. They were available for anyone in the US to get them when they were released, but if anyone woke up 2 months later, they were far gone.

And yes, the conversation has changed especially with the the boxsets selling so poorly. But this is all after the facts and the box sets were never really that hot. Plus we all know their existence didnt cost Hasbro much anyway in comparison. These redecos are just gravy for both fans and Hasbro. Squeezing out more product for little development cost. I think we are able to distinguish that. Since on the Titans Return side, the conversation is still about obtaining the product rather than gettign it at the cheapest possible.

Never found Compy at TJX, saw 2 G2 Menasor but passed. Didn't see Fort Max or Plat Dinobots at Ross, either. Soonest i can get to Burlington is Saturday. Thanks for the tip, though!

So since it was mentioned in the Trypticon thread I'll bring it up here as a more appropriate place.

Were in retrospect Alpha Bravo, Off Road and Rook a good idea or not ?

Could the idea have worked better if handled differently and should they have not chickened out doing the same thing with Bruticus or Computron too ?

RAR wrote:So since it was mentioned in the Trypticon thread I'll bring it up here as a more appropriate place.

Were in retrospect Alpha Bravo, Off Road and Rook a good idea or not ?

Yes.

Just found out that 'Optimus Maximus' is sometimes used to refer to the Roman God Jupiter. So while I'm sure 'Maximus' is just a reference to Energon - given the other Energon references throughout the dude - this is pretty damn cool.

Va'al wrote:

RAR wrote:So since it was mentioned in the Trypticon thread I'll bring it up here as a more appropriate place.

Were in retrospect Alpha Bravo, Off Road and Rook a good idea or not ?

Yes.

no

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Va'al wrote:

RAR wrote:So since it was mentioned in the Trypticon thread I'll bring it up here as a more appropriate place.

Were in retrospect Alpha Bravo, Off Road and Rook a good idea or not ?

Yes.

Definitely!

Glad to see you agree

RAR wrote:So since it was mentioned in the Trypticon thread I'll bring it up here as a more appropriate place.

Were in retrospect Alpha Bravo, Off Road and Rook a good idea or not ?

Could the idea have worked better if handled differently and should they have not chickened out doing the same thing with Bruticus or Computron too ?

In a perfect world yes, new characters are fun. In the world of collectors, not so much the way they handled it.

Part of me wishes they would have just stuck to their guns and left well enough alone, but deep down I wanted a G1 team. At first I wanted outliers for Bruticus as well, but (even though they were fun figures and characters) I decided they had no place in my collection and sold them to a friend.

Maybe it's not a case of chickening out with Bruts and Comps but just giving the fans what they wanted (more or less). That's pretty much what they did with the original three combiners by eventually offering the original lineup.

Rook was a brilliant idea. The combined mode looked so cool and the figures really worked out. If he would only get more personality and comic appearances, then I would be perfectly happy.

Alpha Bravo and Offroad were not bad at all. I actually like the fact that Superion didn't end up with 2 of the same jet for me considering both Liokaiser and Victorion use twin modes, plus it would've felt a bit boring. Same with Menasor. I like a combiner to have some different molds in the game.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Rook was a brilliant idea. The combined mode looked so cool and the figures really worked out. If he would only get more personality and comic appearances, then I would be perfectly happy.

Alpha Bravo and Offroad were not bad at all. I actually like the fact that Superion didn't end up with 2 of the same jet for me considering both Liokaiser and Victorion use twin modes, plus it would've felt a bit boring. Same with Menasor. I like a combiner to have some different molds in the game.

I enjoy the fiction they wrote to support the new guys. Rook was tragically neglected and underdeveloped though.

I do wish Wildrider (or what ever his name is) was a unique mold, but I'm glad they went with the DE mold over the BD mold. At one point I had DE and WR as Menasor's legs and he looked like he was rocking some sweet bellbottoms

I think Hasbro did just fine, but you can't make all of the people happy all of the time. They did all right in my book

I love the new limb guys, I just wish it was executed a bit better, so that the original fifth members weren't so hard to find. And to be honest...I like CW Defensor better than G1 Defensor.

They were born out of necessity rather than passion - the reason they exist is because Hasbro had limited molds. I'm sure the design team would have been happy to put out Slingshot and Wildrider on the shelves... but since they would have shared a mold with someone on the exact same wave, that wouldn't look particularly great and it'd be a hard sell. So they put out Alpha Bravo and Offroad as re-uses of future molds and to diversify the original few waves.
Rook would be because they couldn't make a Groove mold with no other re-use to justify it (Takara came to the rescue there), so they had to make a new guy out of Swindle while giving Groove a new place on the team.

They managed to go with Blast Off meanwhile because... well, fighter jet on a combat team. Makes sense. Especially when most would agree that that's what Blast Off should have been rather than a space shuttle randomly plonked with a bunch of army vehicles. But for everyone else the molds of Vortex, Ironhide and Swindle just wouldn't have worked for Slingshot, Offroad and Groove. So they had to get a bit more creative.


And... considering that we eventually did get the original team members (and even a Shuttle Blast Off)? I think it turned out fine. Especially when Alpha Bravo and Offroad are easily the best members of their respective teams I think we as collectors just need to start accepting that for a toyline whose main demographic is children and the adults buying for their children, certain concessions have to be made to get toys of our beloved characters made.

Sigma Magnus wrote:I love the new limb guys, I just wish it was executed a bit better, so that the original fifth members weren't so hard to find. And to be honest...I like CW Defensor better than G1 Defensor.

I do too, and he's my favorite combiner! Combiner Wars did him so much justice. And what's even funnier is that, in my opinion, Hasbro blew Takara out of the water with Defensor. When you could use Hasbro Groove as a limb, that ended it all. You could have him G1 or CW and he still looked amazing. I never looked for CW deluxe Groove cause I love the legends dude and the chest armor looks so good to me, and Rook is an amazing arm

I don't think that Quickslinger or Breck-neck were ever part of the game plan for Hasbro and they just attempted to sate fans. Big Groove and jet Blast Off seem to support this.

Where Groove was Tak's design, jet Blast Off may have just been a change of plans using the originally intended mold and colors. That figure may have been intended to be a new character in homaged colors with a new alt mode just like the other teams.

Was there any official word from Hasbro or just our fan speculation?

In part I was also intimating that Blast Off (Jet) should have had another name - Blackout say (for example) and That they should have released Takara's Blast Off too.

The reason being that then you can have an additional team-member so the combiner isn't rendered less useful if one member is else where.

In practical terms in means a team member can be broken off from the others to perform a specific task they are expert at.

I guess the idea is sort of in play with the Seacons to some extent.

It's just a shame the limbs don't also make guns as default I guess.

I guess what I am also asking is let suppose Hasbro eventually notice people are begging for an abominus - should said Abominus be just the usual 5 team-members or cold they or should they make a 6th one.

(especially if some of those moulds might get remoulded themselves).

carytheone wrote:I don't think that Quickslinger or Breck-neck were ever part of the game plan for Hasbro and they just attempted to sate fans. Big Groove and jet Blast Off seem to support this.

Where Groove was Tak's design, jet Blast Off may have just been a change of plans using the originally intended mold and colors. That figure may have been intended to be a new character in homaged colors with a new alt mode just like the other teams.

Was there any official word from Hasbro or just our fan speculation?

Quickslinger and Brake-neck were totally part of the plan for Hasbro. But they preffered releasing them with new members to add some variety to the shelves. It was their designs and their headsculpts. And so was that starscream headsculpt

Deluxe Groove was not thier design and not part of the plans, that they did confirm. Scattershot was supposed to just be a voyager release with no computron. But that eventually changed when they saw the Groove mold Takara developped. That has all been confirmed by hasbro.

I have no clue if blast off was supposed to be a new character or not but I dont think so. Late name changes are easy to spot since the older name is sometimes still around somewhere on packaging or instructions or soemthing (like Lynx King instead of Sky Reign and Lione instead of Sawback). Also, his robot mode and colour scheme is dead on for Blast Off unlike the other new characters which do not homage the characters they are replacing.

carytheone wrote:I don't think that Quickslinger or Breck-neck were ever part of the game plan for Hasbro and they just attempted to sate fans. Big Groove and jet Blast Off seem to support this.

Where Groove was Tak's design, jet Blast Off may have just been a change of plans using the originally intended mold and colors. That figure may have been intended to be a new character in homaged colors with a new alt mode just like the other teams.

Was there any official word from Hasbro or just our fan speculation?

I simply believe that Quickslinger and Brake-Neck were in the plan from the start, considering they had alternatives planned for Groove and Blast Off (Legends Class and new alt-mode). Just seems weird to me they'd try and deliver on those two from the start but not Slingshot and Wildrider.

william-james88 & Kurona wrote:Some helpful and interesting things

That is interesting and good to know.

I felt AB and Rook bared a passing resemblance to their predecessors and if I'm remembering correctly Offroad's bio stated he was wearing WR's colors in some creepy way.

I'm prefectly happy with the way CW turned out and I prefer Blast Off as a jet. His colors and deco really are amazing. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on the shuttle mold (cause I'm a plastic fiend) and I'd be happy with it being called Bob the shuttle bot.

RAR wrote:Were in retrospect Alpha Bravo, Off Road and Rook a good idea or not ?

Could the idea have worked better if handled differently and should they have not chickened out doing the same thing with Bruticus or Computron too ?

I've mentioned this before, but I like the new limbs...but for me, it was Takara releasing the original ones that "saved" them IMHO. You see for me, It's all about having the original team (Thank You Takara), but I'm also always open to adding to an existing team, more than replacing. I've used the NBA analogy before -Most rosters have 12/13 active players, however only 5 are on the floor at any given time, and on most teams only 8-10 will play in a game.

With combiners, I see the war on a much more grand scale than has ever been portrayed on any Transformers media. I see in my minds eye, a grand glorious battle of Combiners and other various Giant Transformers occurring over a long period of time. There will no doubt be a lot of damage to limbs, so when they have to exit the battle, someone has to quickly be there to take a spot. If Fireflight, Slingshot, Air Raid, or Skydive gets hurt, Alpha Bravo has to be there to take up the slack. I wouldn't even mind if in the future more additional new members were added, as long as you keep the original 5.

Also for me, When all unique Hasbro/TT/Club and Con exclusives are combined together, you have a perfect army of 10 heroic combiners, and 10 evil ones, with no exact duplication, and no limbs left out. Equal symmetry in Transformers very rarely occurs, but I very much like how the final result of CW/UW worked out, and the new characters contributed to that, so yes, I am glad to have them for that reason as well.

Honestly I like Rook better than Groove. That said, had I not ditched CW/UW for my Defensor needs in favour of Maketoys, I would have kept Rook AND Groove and ditched Blades, for a more coherently coloured Defensor.

As for Bruticus, I honestly wish that they'd made CW Blastoff a new character with a new colour scheme rather than Blastoff, or rather, Slingshot in Blastoff's colours. If they wanted Blastoff to be a jet, he needed a new mold. If they wanted to use the Fireflight mold, they could at least have given him a new head and a new colour scheme to show he wasn't Blastoff. I wouldn't mind Blastoff as a jet, and I wouldn't mind a new Combaticon jet character, but the sheer laziness of just painting Slingshot (not even the dude with the similar head) brown and calling it Blastoff sucked.

Honestly if they wanted mold mileage, and to avoid the whole shuttle dilemna, I'd rather they'd used the Skydive mold with the Seeker head and made Starscream a part of the team- it would make sense, too, given his affiliation with the Combaticons!

I kind of want Shuttle Blast Off myself... but only if it got a release in the same shades of colour Jet Blast Off is in. The ones Takara have for him look just awful.

Kurona wrote:I kind of want Shuttle Blast Off myself... but only if it got a release in the same shades of colour Jet Blast Off is in. The ones Takara have for him look just awful.

And you have to buy the nicely-coloured but horrendously-QC'd UW Bruticus to get him. Honestly the colours bother me less than the fact he's supposedly a floppy piece of junk.

If I hadn't sworn off official combiners I'd get Ruination instead though. Because RUINATION.

Ah, that debate again.

To start off, I'll repeat what has been said: Wildrider and Slingshot have always been in the original plans, because their head molds were "built in" the Dead End and Firefly toolings (tho I suspect the two were the original character bases given the alt modes, Harrier and Ferrari).

Rook also was planned from the start, but possibly as someone else. We have reason to suspect his alternate head mold is actually Brawl, which was nixed when he got his own mold (no alternate head). Brawl as an APC has been done before, his "GDO" redeco was based on 2010 Breacher. Rook replacing Groove? From the start. And that's probably what jumpstarted Alpha Bravo and Ruckus/Offroad as "replacement redecos", to avoid vehicle mode repeats in the same wave.

Blast Off is still a mystery though. For the jets, all alternate heads (Skydive/Starscream, Thrust/Air Raid, Firefly/Quickslinger) are accounted for, and I don't see a Blast Off-based head anywhere in my records. Just what was Hasbro planning with him?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rook also was planned from the start, but possibly as someone else. We have reason to suspect his alternate head mold is actually Brawl, which was nixed when he got his own mold (no alternate head).

And which might have seen use as a new Technobot named Ironclad before it was decided to use the Deluxe Groove mold instead of the Legends class Groove mold for Hasbro's Afterburner/Afterbreaker.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rook also was planned from the start, but possibly as someone else. We have reason to suspect his alternate head mold is actually Brawl, which was nixed when he got his own mold (no alternate head).

And which might have seen use as a new Technobot named Ironclad before it was decided to use the Deluxe Groove mold instead of the Legends class Groove mold for Hasbro's Afterburner/Afterbreaker.

If there was a game of tennis between Hasbro and Takara, Combiner Wars and Unite Warriors is the ultimate example

For those curious, here's a recap of the speculated, unknown and unused heads:

Bombshell: ??? (could be Barrage, the Deluxe Insecticon Beetle)
Trailbreaker: "Hoist"
Rook: "Brawl"
Silverbolt: ???
Cyclonus: ???
Hot Spot: "Inferno"
Onslaught: Armada Demolishor

Brawl and Sky Lynx don't appear to have alternate heads, so they're left out.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rook also was planned from the start, but possibly as someone else. We have reason to suspect his alternate head mold is actually Brawl, which was nixed when he got his own mold (no alternate head).

And which might have seen use as a new Technobot named Ironclad before it was decided to use the Deluxe Groove mold instead of the Legends class Groove mold for Hasbro's Afterburner/Afterbreaker.

Where do you get the Ironclad idea from? Hasbro said there were no plans for the technobots aside from Scattershot originally.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:For those curious, here's a recap of the speculated, unknown and unused heads:

In relation to this, the final TFSS 5.0 mystery figure is said to be a CW Deluxe mold with a headsculpt that Hasbro has not yet used (and which has probably not already been released by Fun Pub).

That leaves us with the following options:

Skydive mold: 1984 Seeker head
Air Raid mold: 1985 Seeker head
Rook mold: Ironclad/SG X-Brawn head
Trailbreaker mold: Hoist/SG Checkpoint/SG Knights of Unicron Autotrooper head

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rook also was planned from the start, but possibly as someone else. We have reason to suspect his alternate head mold is actually Brawl, which was nixed when he got his own mold (no alternate head).

And which might have seen use as a new Technobot named Ironclad before it was decided to use the Deluxe Groove mold instead of the Legends class Groove mold for Hasbro's Afterburner/Afterbreaker.

Where do you get the Ironclad idea from? Hasbro said there were no plans for the technobots aside from Scattershot originally.

the club Bluestreak story. It was really good. Brought up some ideas for several different combiners that would have seen the entirely of the original Ark crew combine in some form. And Bluestreak ended up in a body design meant for Lightsteed (yeah, they actually noted that the guy drawing up the plans was terrible at spelling), cause the way this continuity worked, Computron was supposed to form with Ironclad as the right arm and an "energy efficient" Afterbreaker combining with the limb. Sound familiar? The story ended up taking the CW round with Scrounge and Boltax/Cybaxx, but it also introduced the "replacement members" into each team as well