Colour Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-21 Bumblebee and Spike

REALLY wish this was in MP scale.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:REALLY wish this was in MP scale.

It's not..?

MR Optimus Prime wrote:REALLY wish this was in MP scale.

Va'al wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:REALLY wish this was in MP scale.

It's not..?

Yes a Beatle is about the exact same size as a Fairlady Z.

Good point. Back in the day my friend had a Datsun 280Z and I had a 1978 VW Super Beetle. Both were about the same size.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Yes a Beatle is about the exact same size as a Fairlady Z.

spiderbob007 wrote:Good point. Back in the day my friend had a Datsun 280Z and I had a 1978 VW Super Beetle. Both were about the same size.

Queue yet another scale debate on what the Masterpiece line is based on!

I thought the robots were the template for the scale, not the vehicles. But hey.

That Bumblebee... there's no more appropriate word to describe these toys other than "Masterpiece."

Wish we had an actual scan. Looks like there are more colour photos above.

I SWEAR TO GOD IF THIS IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT SCALE I'M GOING TO EXPLODE

purdy. but we only get half a bot shot?

shajaki wrote:purdy. but we only get half a bot shot?

There might be a full bot shot on another part of the page, as this isn't the full page well see here.

Yay! Here's the complete page from TFW2005:

Cyberpath wrote:Yay! Here's the complete page from TFW2005:

And the original source would be...?

Sabrblade wrote:

End of discussion.

yay, looks like the spare tire thingy is removable

Cool, the tire thing is removeable for those who don't like it.

Takara really knocked it out of the park with this one. He looks amazing.

There's another page, but way small file atm:

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:Yay! Here's the complete page from TFW2005:

And the original source would be...?

Same as the Ultra Magnus pages: http://futalog.com

Thanks to you friends over on the Planet Iacon Facebook page we have a full and much clearer image of Takara Tomy's Transformers Masterpiece MP-21 Bumblebee and Excel Suit Spike in glorious color! Enjoy the image mirrored below:

he looks fantastic

I like the bumpers detail, here in latin america de VW Beetle was highly popular, Really like it very much, he looks great even with his backpack.

Sheesh, the scale next to M-10 is horrible. In the cartoon, Bumblebee reaches about to Primes groin area. Here he reaches his knees. And the Lamborghini Countach is a fairly small car, so the VW alt mode is off scale as well. This Bumblebee would probally work better with classics figures and would scale nicely next to Toyworld Orion. If Michael Bay didnt make me hate Bumblebee so much, I might have bought this. But Im so sick of that character, I think Ill just stick with Art Feather Bumblebee.

I remember a couple episodes where he only stood up to the top of Primes shin area. The scale looks right to me.

Takara likes to use a lot of paint with their MP's and there are a lot of panels here, I just worry there is going to be a lot of paint chipping after the first few transformations...

I wish the hubcap on his back sat a little further down his back, more like the cartoon...

Rated X wrote:Sheesh, the scale next to M-10 is horrible. In the cartoon, Bumblebee reaches about to Primes groin area. Here he reaches his knees

Let's focus on Robot Mode scale only, as that seems to be the main focus here. Pulling out the official Scale Guide reveals that MP Bumblebee is indeed scale with Optimus Prime, coming to between the knees and groin.

Of course, given the liberties the cartoon has taken scale is moot.

I don't know why they made a flipping insignia for the roof if they're just going to tampograph another on the hood anyway.
What they need to do is slap a big fat rubsign on that thing so you know it's official!

I think the size is great.

When I think of height comparison between Optimus Prime and 'Bee this is generally the first scene that comes to mind:



Though I'm sure that there may be scenes that show otherwise give or take.

Rated X wrote:Sheesh, the scale next to M-10 is horrible. In the cartoon, Bumblebee reaches about to Primes groin area. Here he reaches his knees. And the Lamborghini Countach is a fairly small car, so the VW alt mode is off scale as well. This Bumblebee would probally work better with classics figures and would scale nicely next to Toyworld Orion. If Michael Bay didnt make me hate Bumblebee so much, I might have bought this. But Im so sick of that character, I think Ill just stick with Art Feather Bumblebee.

I was intrigued by your comment about the car sizes so did a quick search and came up with 163 inches for the Lambo and 160.5 for the Beetle, 2.5 inches of a difference. A quick cut and paste of Alt mode 'Bee in the image with the Countach to line them up a little better shows a lot more than a scaled down 2.5".



I still want him though, just 'cause he's a Beetle again at last.

This is all but guaranteed to get a US version, so I can hold out for that.

Diem wrote:This is all but guaranteed to get a US version, so I can hold out for that.

If this does indeed get an American release, would it be ironic that this is the only Bumblebee that'll probably not shelfwarm?

Pika? Bumblechu!

Loving it. Though I am in agreement that the rotating panel on the roof/chest is a bit too much for what it's worth.

Ah, so it's a page from the Transformers Generations 2014 book.

This is sweet

Convoy wrote:I don't know why they made a flipping insignia for the roof if they're just going to tampograph another on the hood anyway.
What they need to do is slap a big fat rubsign on that thing so you know it's official!

So both modes are cartoon accurate

Hammer wrote:
So both modes are cartoon accurate

I'd buy that explanation if it didn't have the insignia on the foot in bot-mode. They might as well have made the hood panel flippable.
Where else am I supposed to complain?
I actually love it and the Exo-suit. I'll import it though it may show up in America. I think the quote about VW/Porche not supporting war machines may only be applicable to the first and subsequent live action movie(s).

Convoy wrote:I think the quote about VW/Porche not supporting war machines may only be applicable to the first and subsequent live action movie(s).

It actually originated from back when Binaltech/Alternators was going on beginning back in 2003.

Sabrblade wrote:

Convoy wrote:I think the quote about VW/Porche not supporting war machines may only be applicable to the first and subsequent live action movie(s).

It actually originated from back when Binaltech/Alternators was going on beginning back in 2003.

I guess I forgot it went that far back. I do remember the weapon kerfuffle between the US and JP release of the Honda mold for BT/ALT. (Honda Japan was cool with guns and Honda US was all like, 'um...gun? we're not sure about that.')

G1 cartoon accurate.. i don't see any problem with scale.. as it's been pointed out.. though the real world vehicles were similar.. they WEREN'T on the show..

and.. if you check out the ultimate scale chart.. you'll see that prime and bumblebee are in perfect scale to each other... remember.. bumblebee wasn't all that much larger than the humans on the show.

so.. everyone who is whining about scale, knock it off.. why would you expect anything besides cartoon scale? i don't need my MASTERPIECE bumblebee being the same size as prowl and sideswipe, that's just silly.

Sweet!

TimothyR wrote:G1 cartoon accurate.. i don't see any problem with scale.. as it's been pointed out.. though the real world vehicles were similar.. they WEREN'T on the show..

and.. if you check out the ultimate scale chart.. you'll see that prime and bumblebee are in perfect scale to each other... remember.. bumblebee wasn't all that much larger than the humans on the show.

so.. everyone who is whining about scale, knock it off.. why would you expect anything besides cartoon scale? i don't need my MASTERPIECE bumblebee being the same size as prowl and sideswipe, that's just silly.

IF you recall from earlier discussions, some people who complain about the toys are just trying to convince themselves they don't want the toy.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rated X wrote:Sheesh, the scale next to M-10 is horrible. In the cartoon, Bumblebee reaches about to Primes groin area. Here he reaches his knees

Let's focus on Robot Mode scale only, as that seems to be the main focus here. Pulling out the official Scale Guide reveals that MP Bumblebee is indeed scale with Optimus Prime, coming to between the knees and groin.

Of course, given the liberties the cartoon has taken scale is moot.

I know that Takara is going to great lengths to scale the robot modes with MP10, but Bee just looks smaller than I imagined him in my head. It looks like his head is at MP10's knee and I was expecting his height to be closer to MP10's mid thigh. It's not a deal breaker, but I am sure there will be an initial shock when I have him in hand just like when I lined MP Sideswipe to MP10 initially.

On the plus side, I like the colors and design of the figure. Works well and I am sure he will be fun to pose and play with.

Where does the spare tire go in alt mode?

For everybody who keeps bringing up that so called "official scale chart" wasnt it created years later in the 90s to squash arguements like this one ? That damn chart has nothing to do with the 1986 cartoon and played no influence in the original G1 artists depiction of scale. The chart was has/taks way of saying "forget all the inconsistencies you saw in the cartoon, this is our new bible now, deal with it". Quite frankly, they bumped the mini bots down to crappy penny racer toy scale. Im not going to say that scale wasnt seen in the cartoon, but the better looking scout scale was used just as much in the cartoon. Especially when he became goldbug. Who ever invented that scale chart for hasbro made some stupid decisions based on G1 microman toy scale and ignored both real life and the cartoon altogether. Somebody print out that chart so I can use it as toilet paper...

Rated X wrote:For everybody who keeps bringing up that so called "official scale chart" wasnt it created years later in the 90s to squash arguements like this one ?

Nnnnnnno, cuz, it came from Sunbow's production archives with the rest of the original character models that Jim Sorensen and Bill Forster put together for Ark books.

Companies don't make new production materials for shows they've halted production on years earlier.

And, really, to make such a chart years after the fact just to quench silly fandom arguments seems really petty for a professional television production company to really give a darn about.

Also, 1984 cartoon, dude.

Also,

Well I think the scale will be fine. All I need is for the scale to be more accurate in vehicle mode then in bot mode. But anyways, I will be buying this guy as well as UM. And isn't Wheeljack released already!

skynet1O1 wrote:Well I think the scale will be fine. All I need is for the scale to be more accurate in vehicle mode then in bot mode. But anyways, I will be buying this guy as well as UM. And isn't Wheeljack released already!

This August 2014 kimosabe.





If this was already mentioned............my bad but just realized this. Wheeljack and BB are the first 2 transformers to ever appear in TV. Remember in MTMTE episode 1? Both buddies were busy scrounging for energy resources before the Ark's launch. Energy conductors iirc correctly. Now both guys are getting a release one after the other.

Curious ... if scale is such an issue, and it's clear that the robot mode is in scale which stuffs up the vehicle mode scale ... and if that is such an issue, then you're obviously going to be displaying him in vehicle mode, then why not go out and track down a scale model car and just slap an Autobot logo onto it?

Not an engineer but if you try to make the car scale go along with the robot scale.........I don't think it's possible. And, isn't their robot mode taking precedence over the car scale?

And, well based on the fiction, they also had the mass shifting doohickey. That being the case, Soundwave and the Seekers are way off scale in their alternate modes.

Burn wrote:Curious ... if scale is such an issue, and it's clear that the robot mode is in scale which stuffs up the vehicle mode scale ... and if that is such an issue, then you're obviously going to be displaying him in vehicle mode, then why not go out and track down a scale model car and just slap an Autobot logo onto it?

I've brought that up to those people before, they just get angry.


I love this, it looks great in colour, plus the scale is perfect. Just a little miffed about the back wheel thingy being all yellow instead of black for the tire part.

we could make a deadly drinking game based on the word "scale" in this thread.

no seriously, people would die.