Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation
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Following on from the discovery of Masterpiece Sunstreaker yesterday, fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath has found and given us some clearer scans of the magazine images to better show off Takara's MP-39 in all his majestic glory. Not only that, but thanks to bumblebee21, we have a translation of the interview - clarifying, among other things; that Beast Wars MPs are still coming; the designers want to focus on completing a cast of Season 1 Autobot Cars; and that the fake chest is partly made up of the roof. Check out the translation and the pictures of long-awaited yellow Lamborghini brother to Sideswipe below and tell us what you think on the boards!
Bumblebee21 wrote:Designer team Translation:
-How did you master the essence of Sunstreaker into a Masterpiece?
"In regards to development, I also have a desire to arrange all of the initial cast members of the real car series. In taking turns to select which robot gets developed next, Sunstreaker was chosen.
The Diaclone was the first Transformer car robot.
The New Series was started by Lambor which was like a counter revenge.
With the development of this Masterpiece, Lamborghini was very vocal in the lead for alt mode design cues, which is the opposite way to tackle a design such as Sunstreaker, however, we have a relationship where were able to add alt mode styling, gimmicks, and a cartoon likeness.
_
Originally Sunstreakers car details were different to real life.
The popularity of MP 12 Lambor was a success amongst not only Transformers fans but also car enthusiasts. We decided we could not completely ignore the desires and wishes of the car enthusiasts.
I wanted to present Sunstreaker as a product that Countach fans would recognize while taking advantage of his animation styling.
I tried to reproduce both the animation & real car alt mode design in a way were the transformation is incorporated instead of making him partsform.
Its a situation providing the best of both worlds, we even made the doors open.
Basic layout for the transformation is close to the G1 figure, The bonnet was divided further to combat having such a wide toe in robot mode.
I wanted to avoid having the emblem split in the middle.
In the animated cartoon there were unexpected challenges with volumes that arose from the backparts because they differed from the actual toy.
The most difficult part of the design was the robot mode chest, this is the place where the alt mode roof moves however is unable to be correctly proportionate.
There are many people who hate the use of dummy parts so I thought about what would be the best way to convince them otherwise. What we chose to do was to turn the alt mode roof inside out and have the small windows fold out from underneath to form the smaller chest piece.
Because the alt mode windscreen is so large it is hard to create otherwise.
-
For the shoulder we have a drawer joint. It is designed to swing back and forth. We designed this in the consideration of having the entire arm raise so you can create poses for holding the gun head on.
We are changing the direction of Masterpiece to make them better articulated. Until now we had mainly prioritised the forms before and after transformation. From now on articulation is being considered from the beggining.
In addition to this durability and resistance is being considered by using soft materials in areas of rub.
Masterpieces should have a high degree of paint applications now to enhance texture.
-
I can design figures with parts allocation and material arrangment with the paint automatically considered.
There are situations where a part needs to transform 3 times in a certain direction, the parts count as a result is overwealming compared to were we started off with Lambor and the others.
This is amazing as I've been able to articulate Sunstreakers ankles in such a way where he can balance on one foot. This will not be limited to Sunstreaker, I plan to design more Masterpieces to posses this ability.
-
Please tell us as much as you can on the Future of Masterpiece?
This part is hard to translate
Beast Wars & G1 are being released alternately since both parties are in different purchasing demographics seperated by age and so on. The release pattern has been thanks to you. We have managed to capture the age that was playing at the time of the show being broadcast and would like to keep the fever of waiting away by releasing more Beast Wars.
I want to distinguish between the 4x4 designs of Hoist and Trailbreaker in the meantime for the G1 fans, which will be troublesome.
I think Megatron and now Sunstreaker really surprised the fans & designers even!
I hope that Hoist can be realised with a few of these surprises. A lot of the Masterpiece cars have come together.
We arranged the successive Masterpieces side by side the other day at a festival and they were very popular.
-
I would like to arrange the car robots in rows like the opening sequence of the animiation.
I want to produce the remaining characters including the minibots.
There are many similar opinons as mine, so I'm speaking on their behalf as we take different directions to clear the obstacles in commercialising these products.
END/
translation courtesy of @Emperor Bruticus IV
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Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883540)
Posted by Alpha Dominus on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:08am CDT
Posted by Alpha Dominus on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:08am CDT
This is a must-buy. Here's to holding out for Jazz!
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883543)
Posted by Evil Eye on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:12am CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:12am CDT
He looks pretty good, but I worry that next to his less ridiculously cartoon accurate brother Sideswipe he'll look slightly off. Also, the buttflap is a bit of a shame (though I hear that's a sacrifice that had to be made to get Lamborghini to not get their panties in a bunch).
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883545)
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:37am CDT
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:37am CDT
Sunstreaker was the 1st transformer I bought back in '84, and he's finally going to be replaced on the shelf, (hold on, I need a moment...) The head thing aside, I really like the hideaway pistol in the leg, and happy that he has a gun at all, as I was never a fan of the missile replacing the fist mechanic of the original. Can anyone translate the caption for the picture that shows a silver Sideswipe gun on his back to see what's going on there?
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883546)
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:37am CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:37am CDT
It's hard to tell for sure, but I believe the backpack on 39 is neater and tighter than Sunsurge.
On another note, it appears I've finally made my peace with backpacks.
On another note, it appears I've finally made my peace with backpacks.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883547)
Posted by Bumblebee21 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:40am CDT
Posted by Bumblebee21 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:40am CDT
translation
Designer team Translation:
-How did you master the essence of Sunstreaker into a Masterpiece?
"In regards to development, I also have a desire to arrange all of the initial cast members of the real car series. In taking turns to select which robot gets developed next, Sunstreaker was chosen.
The Diaclone was the first Transformer car robot.
The New Series was started by Lambor which was like a counter revenge.
With the development of this Masterpiece, Lamborghini was very vocal in the lead for alt mode design cues, which is the opposite way to tackle a design such as Sunstreaker, however, we have a relationship where were able to add alt mode styling, gimmicks, and a cartoon likeness.
_
Originally Sunstreakers car details were different to real life.
The popularity of MP 12 Lambor was a success amongst not only Transformers fans but also car enthusiasts. We decided we could not completely ignore the desires and wishes of the car enthusiasts.
I wanted to present Sunstreaker as a product that Countach fans would recognize while taking advantage of his animation styling.
I tried to reproduce both the animation & real car alt mode design in a way were the transformation is incorporated instead of making him partsform.
Its a situation providing the best of both worlds, we even made the doors open.
Basic layout for the transformation is close to the G1 figure, The bonnet was divided further to combat having such a wide toe in robot mode.
I wanted to avoid having the emblem split in the middle.
In the animated cartoon there were unexpected challenges with volumes that arose from the backparts because they differed from the actual toy.
The most difficult part of the design was the robot mode chest, this is the place where the alt mode roof moves however is unable to be correctly proportionate.
There are many people who hate the use of dummy parts so I thought about what would be the best way to convince them otherwise. What we chose to do was to turn the alt mode roof inside out and have the small windows fold out from underneath to form the smaller chest piece.
Because the alt mode windscreen is so large it is hard to create otherwise.
-
For the shoulder we have a drawer joint. It is designed to swing back and forth. We designed this in the consideration of having the entire arm raise so you can create poses for holding the gun head on.
We are changing the direction of Masterpiece to make them better articulated. Until now we had mainly prioritised the forms before and after transformation. From now on articulation is being considered from the beggining.
In addition to this durability and resistance is being considered by using soft materials in areas of rub.
Masterpieces should have a high degree of paint applications now to enhance texture.
-
I can design figures with parts allocation and material arrangment with the paint automatically considered.
There are situations where a part needs to transform 3 times in a certain direction, the parts count as a result is overwealming compared to were we started off with Lambor and the others.
This is amazing as I've been able to articulate Sunstreakers ankles in such a way where he can balance on one foot. This will not be limited to Sunstreaker, I plan to design more Masterpieces to posses this ability.
-
Please tell us as much as you can on the Future of Masterpiece?
This part is hard to translate
Beast Wars & G1 are being released alternately since both parties are in different purchasing demographics seperated by age and so on. The release pattern has been thanks to you. We have managed to capture the age that was playing at the time of the show being broadcast and would like to keep the fever of waiting away by releasing more Beast Wars.
I want to distinguish between the 4x4 designs of Hoist and Trailbreaker in the meantime for the G1 fans, which will be troublesome.
I think Megatron and now Sunstreaker really suprised the fans & designers even!
I hope that Hoist can be realised with a few of these suprises. Alot of the masterpiece cars have come together.
We arranged the successive Masterpieces side by side the other day at a festival and they were very popular.
-
I would like to arrange the car robots in rows like the opening sequence of the animiation.
I want to produce the remaining characters including the minibots.
There are many similar opinons as mine, so I'm speaking on their behalf as we take different directions to clear the obstacles in commercialising these products.
END/
translation courtesy of @Emperor Bruticus IV
Designer team Translation:
-How did you master the essence of Sunstreaker into a Masterpiece?
"In regards to development, I also have a desire to arrange all of the initial cast members of the real car series. In taking turns to select which robot gets developed next, Sunstreaker was chosen.
The Diaclone was the first Transformer car robot.
The New Series was started by Lambor which was like a counter revenge.
With the development of this Masterpiece, Lamborghini was very vocal in the lead for alt mode design cues, which is the opposite way to tackle a design such as Sunstreaker, however, we have a relationship where were able to add alt mode styling, gimmicks, and a cartoon likeness.
_
Originally Sunstreakers car details were different to real life.
The popularity of MP 12 Lambor was a success amongst not only Transformers fans but also car enthusiasts. We decided we could not completely ignore the desires and wishes of the car enthusiasts.
I wanted to present Sunstreaker as a product that Countach fans would recognize while taking advantage of his animation styling.
I tried to reproduce both the animation & real car alt mode design in a way were the transformation is incorporated instead of making him partsform.
Its a situation providing the best of both worlds, we even made the doors open.
Basic layout for the transformation is close to the G1 figure, The bonnet was divided further to combat having such a wide toe in robot mode.
I wanted to avoid having the emblem split in the middle.
In the animated cartoon there were unexpected challenges with volumes that arose from the backparts because they differed from the actual toy.
The most difficult part of the design was the robot mode chest, this is the place where the alt mode roof moves however is unable to be correctly proportionate.
There are many people who hate the use of dummy parts so I thought about what would be the best way to convince them otherwise. What we chose to do was to turn the alt mode roof inside out and have the small windows fold out from underneath to form the smaller chest piece.
Because the alt mode windscreen is so large it is hard to create otherwise.
-
For the shoulder we have a drawer joint. It is designed to swing back and forth. We designed this in the consideration of having the entire arm raise so you can create poses for holding the gun head on.
We are changing the direction of Masterpiece to make them better articulated. Until now we had mainly prioritised the forms before and after transformation. From now on articulation is being considered from the beggining.
In addition to this durability and resistance is being considered by using soft materials in areas of rub.
Masterpieces should have a high degree of paint applications now to enhance texture.
-
I can design figures with parts allocation and material arrangment with the paint automatically considered.
There are situations where a part needs to transform 3 times in a certain direction, the parts count as a result is overwealming compared to were we started off with Lambor and the others.
This is amazing as I've been able to articulate Sunstreakers ankles in such a way where he can balance on one foot. This will not be limited to Sunstreaker, I plan to design more Masterpieces to posses this ability.
-
Please tell us as much as you can on the Future of Masterpiece?
This part is hard to translate
Beast Wars & G1 are being released alternately since both parties are in different purchasing demographics seperated by age and so on. The release pattern has been thanks to you. We have managed to capture the age that was playing at the time of the show being broadcast and would like to keep the fever of waiting away by releasing more Beast Wars.
I want to distinguish between the 4x4 designs of Hoist and Trailbreaker in the meantime for the G1 fans, which will be troublesome.
I think Megatron and now Sunstreaker really suprised the fans & designers even!
I hope that Hoist can be realised with a few of these suprises. Alot of the masterpiece cars have come together.
We arranged the successive Masterpieces side by side the other day at a festival and they were very popular.
-
I would like to arrange the car robots in rows like the opening sequence of the animiation.
I want to produce the remaining characters including the minibots.
There are many similar opinons as mine, so I'm speaking on their behalf as we take different directions to clear the obstacles in commercialising these products.
END/
translation courtesy of @Emperor Bruticus IV
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883548)
Posted by galvatron00 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:42am CDT
Posted by galvatron00 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:42am CDT
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883549)
Posted by Bumblebee21 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:43am CDT
i saw it in a different thread
Posted by Bumblebee21 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:43am CDT
i saw it in a different thread
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883550)
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:22am CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:22am CDT
At the moment, my only issue with this figure is that I don't have space on my shelf..
Here's the turnaround model --
Hard to believe there are more accessories than what's shown in the magazine..
It's actually a new mold and not MP-12 Sideswipe's gun (notice the different vents detail.) I think it just shows that you can store it on his back.
Sunstreaker is one of those characters that didn't have a gun in their character-model (or toy) so he used different guns in the show.
This one was used in Dinobot Island part 2 & Changing Gears.
He also showed the ability to shoot missiles like the toy; and electricity..
Takara included one of his car-guns btw --
Here's the turnaround model --
Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, that makes more sense. Although, given takaras recent track record, I do believe that they will have alternate head options with this figure.
Hard to believe there are more accessories than what's shown in the magazine..
Desslok2201 wrote:Sunstreaker was the 1st transformer I bought back in '84, and he's finally going to be replaced on the shelf, (hold on, I need a moment...) The head thing aside, I really like the hideaway pistol in the leg, and happy that he has a gun at all, as I was never a fan of the missile replacing the fist mechanic of the original. Can anyone translate the caption for the picture that shows a silver Sideswipe gun on his back to see what's going on there?
It's actually a new mold and not MP-12 Sideswipe's gun (notice the different vents detail.) I think it just shows that you can store it on his back.
Sunstreaker is one of those characters that didn't have a gun in their character-model (or toy) so he used different guns in the show.
This one was used in Dinobot Island part 2 & Changing Gears.
He also showed the ability to shoot missiles like the toy; and electricity..
Takara included one of his car-guns btw --
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883551)
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:27am CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:27am CDT
Here's another thing you can do with MP-39 Chip Chase.. >_>
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883552)
Posted by Bumblebee21 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:30am CDT
Posted by Bumblebee21 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:30am CDT
too bad we dont have a good mp thrust to do that with
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883553)
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:31am CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:31am CDT
So. Sounds like Hoist may be up next, as far as the G1 line goes. I love my bascube Trailbreaker and Hoist, but if Takes can do better.....
Ah he'll, who am I kidding. Even if I don't display them, I'll still.pick them up, as I'm starting to work on a complete Masterpiece collection.
Ah he'll, who am I kidding. Even if I don't display them, I'll still.pick them up, as I'm starting to work on a complete Masterpiece collection.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883555)
Posted by galvatron00 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:34am CDT
Posted by galvatron00 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:34am CDT
This figure keeps getting better and better. I'm also excited to read in that translation that Trailbreaker, the rest of the car bots, and the minibots are in the works!
Anyone else here want to verify the translation?
Anyone else here want to verify the translation?
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883557)
Posted by transformers_va on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:36am CDT
Posted by transformers_va on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:36am CDT
The pop-up headlights are a very nice touch - looking forward to having this guy on display.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883558)
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:38am CDT
I dont feel Ironhide did.
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:38am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:I actually really like the cw version, foremost for the head (actually all the figures in wave 4 had crisp, gorgeous headsculpts, come to think about it)
I dont feel Ironhide did.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883560)
Posted by Deathsanras on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:41am CDT
Posted by Deathsanras on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:41am CDT
Looks better than Sunsurge and Spinout in every way.
I had hoped they'd figure out something for the chest, but if TakaraTomy can't figure out how to do it, I guess it can't be done. Turning the roof inside out is a nice touch/way to do it, instead of wholesale new parts.
Lesson learned: never bother with 3P. TakaraTomy does it better every time. Shockwave, Megatron, Coneheads, Ratchet/Ironhide, Grapple/Inferno, Ultra Magnus, Bumblebee...
Looking forward to the red and police versions, especially how they're integrated into the G1 roster (per LoudPedal, Delta Magnus, Exhaust).
I had hoped they'd figure out something for the chest, but if TakaraTomy can't figure out how to do it, I guess it can't be done. Turning the roof inside out is a nice touch/way to do it, instead of wholesale new parts.
Lesson learned: never bother with 3P. TakaraTomy does it better every time. Shockwave, Megatron, Coneheads, Ratchet/Ironhide, Grapple/Inferno, Ultra Magnus, Bumblebee...
Looking forward to the red and police versions, especially how they're integrated into the G1 roster (per LoudPedal, Delta Magnus, Exhaust).
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883561)
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:43am CDT
Article edited to include the interview, thank you
I'm excited to hear that they're still doing Beast Wars MPs and that they're alternating between those and G1. Also interesting to hear that while due to proportions they couldn't actually make the roof the chest, they done the next best thing and integrated some of the roof into the chest.
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:43am CDT
Bumblebee21 wrote:snip snip translation snip snip
Article edited to include the interview, thank you
I'm excited to hear that they're still doing Beast Wars MPs and that they're alternating between those and G1. Also interesting to hear that while due to proportions they couldn't actually make the roof the chest, they done the next best thing and integrated some of the roof into the chest.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883562)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:54am CDT
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:54am CDT
Damn Mp sunstreaker is on of the prettiest masterpieces in awhile. Though i really want to see how it looks in red.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883563)
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:12am CDT
I am not a fan of this part. I really like Lambor and Wheeljack because the transformation was complex but clean and while he had many moving parts, there was still a chunky feeling to it, especially in the upper torso. It gives him a real solid took too, same with Wheeljack. I would take that over having to fold a panel in 3 different ways to improve articulation. There are som parts of sunstreaker that end up looking like a mess here (the back pack, and the inner legs). there is a definite sacrifice being made here, and it seems to be for articulation's sake, which I dont really care for. I never felt MP Wheeljack or Lambor lacked in articulation.
As the interview says, the chest still being made up of the roof, only inside out and I find that is very comforting. So only the windshield would be fake, which I am ok with. Kinda like how MP 10's grill is fake which is fine since they look so diferent in both modes.
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:12am CDT
Takara wrote:There are situations where a part needs to transform 3 times in a certain direction, the parts count as a result is overwealming compared to were we started off with Lambor and the others.
This is amazing as I've been able to articulate Sunstreakers ankles in such a way where he can balance on one foot. This will not be limited to Sunstreaker, I plan to design more Masterpieces to posses this ability.
I am not a fan of this part. I really like Lambor and Wheeljack because the transformation was complex but clean and while he had many moving parts, there was still a chunky feeling to it, especially in the upper torso. It gives him a real solid took too, same with Wheeljack. I would take that over having to fold a panel in 3 different ways to improve articulation. There are som parts of sunstreaker that end up looking like a mess here (the back pack, and the inner legs). there is a definite sacrifice being made here, and it seems to be for articulation's sake, which I dont really care for. I never felt MP Wheeljack or Lambor lacked in articulation.
Deathsanras wrote:Looks better than Sunsurge and Spinout in every way.
I had hoped they'd figure out something for the chest, but if TakaraTomy can't figure out how to do it, it can't be done.
As the interview says, the chest still being made up of the roof, only inside out and I find that is very comforting. So only the windshield would be fake, which I am ok with. Kinda like how MP 10's grill is fake which is fine since they look so diferent in both modes.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883564)
Posted by wilcosu35 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:14am CDT
Posted by wilcosu35 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:14am CDT
And another instant buy for me
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883569)
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:41am CDT
Always felt like Sideswipe could have used forward ankle-tilts and back head-tilt.
And now that we have official Takara stands, a port.
It's amazing how they were able to create a very poseable cartoon-accurate robot-mode for Sunstreaker and at the same time pull-off an accurate Lamborghini mode with doors, hood and headlights. All in one toy. Transformers are awesome.
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:41am CDT
william-james88 wrote:I am not a fan of this part. I really like Lambor and Wheeljack because the transformation was complex but clean and while he had many moving parts, there was still a chunky feeling to it, especially in the upper torso. It gives him a real solid took too, same with Wheeljack. I would take that over having to fold a panel in 3 different ways to improve articulation. There are som parts of sunstreaker that end up looking like a mess here (the back pack, and the inner legs). there is a definite sacrifice being made here, and it seems to be for articulation's sake, which I dont really care for. I never felt MP Wheeljack or Lambor lacked in articulation.
Always felt like Sideswipe could have used forward ankle-tilts and back head-tilt.
And now that we have official Takara stands, a port.
It's amazing how they were able to create a very poseable cartoon-accurate robot-mode for Sunstreaker and at the same time pull-off an accurate Lamborghini mode with doors, hood and headlights. All in one toy. Transformers are awesome.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883571)
Posted by galvatron00 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:45am CDT
Posted by galvatron00 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:45am CDT
They went for it with both modes, and visually, it looks amazing! I'm really excited for this guy and the potential for Jazz in the future now!Cyberpath wrote:It's amazing how they were able to create a very poseable cartoon-accurate robot-mode for Sunstreaker and at the same time pull-off an accurate Lamborghini mode with doors, hood and headlights. All in one toy. Transformers are awesome.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883579)
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:20am CDT
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:20am CDT
That interview was really exactly what I wanted to hear. I was at one time worried that the BW MPs would take over and squeeze out the G1, but if they are going to do both and alternate releases, terrific. Bringing more people onboard the MP train will keep it going longer, and it has the bonus of giving my wallet a break. I also love that they are going to keep filling out the season 1-2 roster, and can't wait to see more minibots. From this article and other recent news, I'd say we now know the next 5 MPs- Sunstreaker Red, Police Type, Hoist, Trailbreaker and Dinobot. Sounds like a good lineup
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883580)
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:26am CDT
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:26am CDT
I'm confused; did I skip over a bit in the article? Why's everyone thinking Trailbreaker/Hoist will be next; is it just because of the whole "Season 1 Autobot Cars focus" thing? In that case why not Jazz, Mirage or another Minibot?
And... why Hoist first instead of Trailbreaker?
And... why Hoist first instead of Trailbreaker?
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883581)
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:30am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:30am CDT
Kurona wrote:I'm confused; did I skip over a bit in the article? Why's everyone thinking Trailbreaker/Hoist will be next; is it just because of the whole "Season 1 Autobot Cars focus" thing? In that case why not Jazz, Mirage or another Minibot?
And... why Hoist first instead of Trailbreaker?
Please tell us as much as you can on the Future of Masterpiece?
Beast Wars & G1 are being released alternately since both parties are in different purchasing demographics seperated by age and so on. The release pattern has been thanks to you. We have managed to capture the age that was playing at the time of the show being broadcast and would like to keep the fever of waiting away by releasing more Beast Wars.
I want to distinguish between the 4x4 designs of Hoist and Trailbreaker in the meantime for the G1 fans, which will be troublesome.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883582)
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:31am CDT
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:31am CDT
I'm an idiot >_>
Still, doesn't necessarily means they're next; just that that part of the process is being worked on and it's a specific one they decided to bring up.
Still, doesn't necessarily means they're next; just that that part of the process is being worked on and it's a specific one they decided to bring up.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883583)
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:32am CDT
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:32am CDT
Hoist and Trailbreaker are specifically mentioned, in a "here's what I'm working on now" context. And as far as I knew, seasons 1&2 were essentially released at the same time in Japan, so they wouldn't necessarily think of Trailbreaker first.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883584)
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:34am CDT
Sure, but since its the only specifically mentioned ones, its what fans have grabbed on to, understandably so.
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:34am CDT
Kurona wrote:I'm an idiot >_>
Still, doesn't necessarily means they're next; just that that part of the process is being worked on and it's a specific one they decided to bring up.
Sure, but since its the only specifically mentioned ones, its what fans have grabbed on to, understandably so.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883585)
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:34am CDT
That may be, but as Jazz was never mentioned, I'd put money on Hoist/Trailbreaker first.
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 10:34am CDT
Kurona wrote:I'm an idiot >_>
Still, doesn't necessarily means they're next; just that that part of the process is being worked on and it's a specific one they decided to bring up.
That may be, but as Jazz was never mentioned, I'd put money on Hoist/Trailbreaker first.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883601)
Posted by Deathsanras on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:13am CDT
And the thing with the Minibots is that Gears, Brawn and Huffer didn't have legitimate vehicle models. So, only Cliffjumper and Windcharger are limited by licensing.
And if they're really doing S1+S2, then there's also Seaspray, Powerglide, Warpath, Beachcomber and Cosmos to do.
Posted by Deathsanras on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:13am CDT
Desslok2201 wrote:can't wait to see more minibots.
And the thing with the Minibots is that Gears, Brawn and Huffer didn't have legitimate vehicle models. So, only Cliffjumper and Windcharger are limited by licensing.
And if they're really doing S1+S2, then there's also Seaspray, Powerglide, Warpath, Beachcomber and Cosmos to do.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883607)
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by Desslok2201 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:26am CDT
I'm good with all of them. I'm not a Bumblebee fan, but his MP transformation is awesome. I'd love to see what they could do with Huffer
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883609)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:33am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:33am CDT
Inferno and Grapple had alternate head accessories because they each had two different head designs in the cartoon. Sunstreaker only have one head design in the show, so his MP gets multiple faces instead.Ironhidensh wrote:Yeah, that makes more sense. Although, given takaras recent track record, I do believe that they will have alternate head options with this figure.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883610)
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:43am CDT
Posted by Kurona on May 23rd, 2017 @ 11:43am CDT
I think much like Tracks with Loud Pedal, we'll get the toy-accurate head on the eventual Diaclone repaint.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883612)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 23rd, 2017 @ 12:10pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 23rd, 2017 @ 12:10pm CDT
It would be amazing if a red Sunstreaker MP reflected the OMAM character of Spin-Out, right down to his being an Autobot cook "fuel preparation specialist" COOK!
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883649)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:17pm CDT
Lamborghini wanted the butt flap? Why would that be so? I never pegged them for a bunch of prudes. "No robo-butt will show on any of our licensed products!"
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:17pm CDT
Black Hat wrote:He looks pretty good, but I worry that next to his less ridiculously cartoon accurate brother Sideswipe he'll look slightly off. Also, the buttflap is a bit of a shame (though I hear that's a sacrifice that had to be made to get Lamborghini to not get their panties in a bunch).
Lamborghini wanted the butt flap? Why would that be so? I never pegged them for a bunch of prudes. "No robo-butt will show on any of our licensed products!"
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883656)
Posted by Evil Eye on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:38pm CDT
Lambo are VERY anal about how their cars are depicted- I think they had an issue with the hood having a split for transformation. The buttflap covers that up in car mode.
Posted by Evil Eye on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:38pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Black Hat wrote:He looks pretty good, but I worry that next to his less ridiculously cartoon accurate brother Sideswipe he'll look slightly off. Also, the buttflap is a bit of a shame (though I hear that's a sacrifice that had to be made to get Lamborghini to not get their panties in a bunch).
Lamborghini wanted the butt flap? Why would that be so? I never pegged them for a bunch of prudes. "No robo-butt will show on any of our licensed products!"
Lambo are VERY anal about how their cars are depicted- I think they had an issue with the hood having a split for transformation. The buttflap covers that up in car mode.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883666)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:55pm CDT
Oh, I see it now. The front hood of the car is pushed up into the backpack in robot mode, but not all the way up, unfortunately, leaving a little "flap" in the form of the top of the hood, nearest the windshield, sticking out below. At least it's not too visible from the front of the robot mode.
Any idea yet on the yellow spoiler? Do the spoilers become the inside of the lower legs in robot mode? If so, I guess that's a reason why the spoiler isn't chromed, though it would have been fine with me if they were, as it would have emulated the sticker detail from the G1 toy. Yes, I know the aim now is for cartoon accuracy, but I'm sure many fans would let that go and appreciate the reasons why it was done and why it doesn't really "detract" from the look of a "Masterpiece" version of Sunstreaker either.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:55pm CDT
Black Hat wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Black Hat wrote:He looks pretty good, but I worry that next to his less ridiculously cartoon accurate brother Sideswipe he'll look slightly off. Also, the buttflap is a bit of a shame (though I hear that's a sacrifice that had to be made to get Lamborghini to not get their panties in a bunch).
Lamborghini wanted the butt flap? Why would that be so? I never pegged them for a bunch of prudes. "No robo-butt will show on any of our licensed products!"
Lambo are VERY anal about how their cars are depicted- I think they had an issue with the hood having a split for transformation. The buttflap covers that up in car mode.
Oh, I see it now. The front hood of the car is pushed up into the backpack in robot mode, but not all the way up, unfortunately, leaving a little "flap" in the form of the top of the hood, nearest the windshield, sticking out below. At least it's not too visible from the front of the robot mode.
Any idea yet on the yellow spoiler? Do the spoilers become the inside of the lower legs in robot mode? If so, I guess that's a reason why the spoiler isn't chromed, though it would have been fine with me if they were, as it would have emulated the sticker detail from the G1 toy. Yes, I know the aim now is for cartoon accuracy, but I'm sure many fans would let that go and appreciate the reasons why it was done and why it doesn't really "detract" from the look of a "Masterpiece" version of Sunstreaker either.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883670)
Posted by Cobotron on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:59pm CDT
Posted by Cobotron on May 23rd, 2017 @ 3:59pm CDT
I'm gonna chime in as a part of the toy accuracy crowd, Like Diem said "freedom of speech" and junk.
Believe it or not, and while vastly out numbered, there are many fans who's nostalgia lays solely with the toys. I am one of the few. I had Mirage and Bluestreak before I ever saw the show, and even at 9 years old when I saw the show, I was sourly disappointed at what I saw. It didn't stop a 30 + year love affair with these robots and their design. I don't have the same affair with Shogun Warriors, or Gundam, or any of the other Japanese robot toys I've dabbled in over that time.
When I held MP Silverstreak in my hands for the first time it had an effect on me I'd never felt before. My favorite robot toy of all time given to me in the most beautifully updated package beyond what I could of imagined. I was hooked. Yes it pulled some cues from the cartoon, but his design was 90% toy. His form, his engineering, it was wonderful.
Japan is a culture steeped in tradition. Tradition permeates everything they do. Their social behavior, business, and even art. I consider robot design to be art and they do too. When the MP line started, it was paying homage to the years of design and the designers that came before them. Why would they suddenly decide to pay homage to designs that are dumbed down simplifications of a mastered form? IF I designed the first Diaclone car Robots and saw those cartoon models I would have been nothing short of insulted.
Well the only answer I can think of is because there is a huge audience for it. And that proof is in the pudding. They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a demand.
Earlier today I was rapping with itscramtastic elsewhere, and I stated I'm done with MPs and their uber toon direction, but I've thought more about it since then. I'm not done, I'm just going to be more selective. Here's why...
Takara is obviously headed down the cartoon accuracy path, but they know there are the fans out there who go for the toy accuracy, and the Diaclone homages, and with every release we see re-issues that cater to these fans. Loud Pedal's Head. Art Fire's Decals. Primal's second release (can never remember all the fine print and titles slapped on that guy). Clamp Down. Exhaust. And on and on. I am 100% sure Takara will do a release of Megatron that is toy accuracy heavy. That's the one I will buy.
Everything about Suntreaker looks great to me. Except his head. And to me a Transformers head is the ultimate pinnacle in what makes a Transformer a Transformer. It's the designs signature. It's where all the tradition lives. Sooooooo.... Give me the Diaclone Patrol Car deco with a toy accurate head, and I will eat that shit up until I can't eat another bite.
But sadly, there will be no Sunstreaker in my collection. Which sucks. Because I like Sunstreaker.
The good news is, there is and will be something out there for every fan and what ever angle their nostalgia takes.
In Seibertron's defense, I sympathize with him. He has an obligation to his business, the website, and us, the fans to buy this toy he doesn't like and take wonderful photos of it for the world's enjoyment. I'd be upset too. MPs aren't cheap! Thanks for taking another one for the team Ryan. You're a real sport and we love you for it!
End Editorial.
And...
You guys left out one the best Streaker head sculpts of the last several years!
This one!
Q-Transformers Sunstreaker Gallery
Even this cutsie cartoony design got his head just right. Down to the awesome wing/fin/horn thing-a-ma-jings.
Believe it or not, and while vastly out numbered, there are many fans who's nostalgia lays solely with the toys. I am one of the few. I had Mirage and Bluestreak before I ever saw the show, and even at 9 years old when I saw the show, I was sourly disappointed at what I saw. It didn't stop a 30 + year love affair with these robots and their design. I don't have the same affair with Shogun Warriors, or Gundam, or any of the other Japanese robot toys I've dabbled in over that time.
When I held MP Silverstreak in my hands for the first time it had an effect on me I'd never felt before. My favorite robot toy of all time given to me in the most beautifully updated package beyond what I could of imagined. I was hooked. Yes it pulled some cues from the cartoon, but his design was 90% toy. His form, his engineering, it was wonderful.
Japan is a culture steeped in tradition. Tradition permeates everything they do. Their social behavior, business, and even art. I consider robot design to be art and they do too. When the MP line started, it was paying homage to the years of design and the designers that came before them. Why would they suddenly decide to pay homage to designs that are dumbed down simplifications of a mastered form? IF I designed the first Diaclone car Robots and saw those cartoon models I would have been nothing short of insulted.
Well the only answer I can think of is because there is a huge audience for it. And that proof is in the pudding. They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a demand.
Earlier today I was rapping with itscramtastic elsewhere, and I stated I'm done with MPs and their uber toon direction, but I've thought more about it since then. I'm not done, I'm just going to be more selective. Here's why...
Kurona wrote:I think much like Tracks with Loud Pedal, we'll get the toy-accurate head on the eventual Diaclone repaint.
Takara is obviously headed down the cartoon accuracy path, but they know there are the fans out there who go for the toy accuracy, and the Diaclone homages, and with every release we see re-issues that cater to these fans. Loud Pedal's Head. Art Fire's Decals. Primal's second release (can never remember all the fine print and titles slapped on that guy). Clamp Down. Exhaust. And on and on. I am 100% sure Takara will do a release of Megatron that is toy accuracy heavy. That's the one I will buy.
Everything about Suntreaker looks great to me. Except his head. And to me a Transformers head is the ultimate pinnacle in what makes a Transformer a Transformer. It's the designs signature. It's where all the tradition lives. Sooooooo.... Give me the Diaclone Patrol Car deco with a toy accurate head, and I will eat that shit up until I can't eat another bite.
But sadly, there will be no Sunstreaker in my collection. Which sucks. Because I like Sunstreaker.
The good news is, there is and will be something out there for every fan and what ever angle their nostalgia takes.
In Seibertron's defense, I sympathize with him. He has an obligation to his business, the website, and us, the fans to buy this toy he doesn't like and take wonderful photos of it for the world's enjoyment. I'd be upset too. MPs aren't cheap! Thanks for taking another one for the team Ryan. You're a real sport and we love you for it!
End Editorial.
And...
You guys left out one the best Streaker head sculpts of the last several years!
This one!
Q-Transformers Sunstreaker Gallery
Even this cutsie cartoony design got his head just right. Down to the awesome wing/fin/horn thing-a-ma-jings.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883690)
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:06pm CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:06pm CDT
I think MP Wheeljack is definitely cartoon-accurate. Wheeljack transforms into a very specific car, down to the "539" number on his doors; his "Lancia" paint pattern was simply simplified for animation and ultimately restored for the Masterpiece line as part of the "real car" gimmick. (I guess he has toy-accurate black instead of grey.) Love that I have a cartoon-accurate robot to hold up to the screen and an accurate car-model to compare to photos of the real thing, both in one toy. Even love the sponsors tampos.
I don't think the MP line has taken such a huge turn, the MPs were cartoon-accurate from the start (it's the reason why I got into it in the first place and why my shelf is so crowded) mostly the difference is that they have stopped incorporating made-up surface greeble, relaying instead on show-accurate details, transformation seams, and bits from the alt-modes that aren't necessarily from the cartoon.
Cobs, I was exactly the opposite, while was I ecstatic to get a hold of any Transformer I could get -- show-accurate or not, complex or simple, KO or real.. or even a pencil-sharpener shaped like a generic robot.. they never really lived up to the show till now.
I don't think the MP line has taken such a huge turn, the MPs were cartoon-accurate from the start (it's the reason why I got into it in the first place and why my shelf is so crowded) mostly the difference is that they have stopped incorporating made-up surface greeble, relaying instead on show-accurate details, transformation seams, and bits from the alt-modes that aren't necessarily from the cartoon.
Cobs, I was exactly the opposite, while was I ecstatic to get a hold of any Transformer I could get -- show-accurate or not, complex or simple, KO or real.. or even a pencil-sharpener shaped like a generic robot.. they never really lived up to the show till now.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883693)
Posted by Diem on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:14pm CDT
Posted by Diem on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:14pm CDT
Just to be clear, I am 100% behind toy accuracy. I made sure when I bought Bumble that the toy-accurate face came with, and it's what he's been wearing ever since I got him. The only version of Streak I own is MP-18S with the totally silver car mode. I love that these incarnations of these figures are available.
But, but, I entirely understand Takara's process here and I agree with the decisions they've made recently. I'd have done the same if I were in their shoes. Unless you include multiple heads then every decision you make is going to make an enemy of some part of the fandom. Choose the wider-than-it-is-tall G1 toy head with the distinctive L-shaped horns and you'll annoy the cartoon purists, the Marvel fans, and that one guy who liked Infiltration. Pick the CW-style head with the narrow, J-shaped horns and you've annoyed all of the above, plus classic toy fans.
If you're going to be stuck in a storm whichever way you sail, you may as well aim for the biggest island you can see, which in this case is The-Character-Model-That-Was-Used-For-The-Cartoon-And-The-Comic-And-The-Movie Island, surrounded by the equally noble but far smaller IslandDW and Toy-Accurate Archipelago.
I get that we all want to get the optimal (some might even say "masterpiece") version of these characters, and there's nothing wrong with that desire. But that often means some kind of hybrid of designs from all different versions, and that's usually something that lives and dies on individual preferences. And when you're sailing in a storm and wanting to avoid sinking, the Badcube shark nipping at your oars eliminates any willingness to take risks that you might have had in your younger days.
tl;dr Diem is a filthy corporate stooge apologist
But, but, I entirely understand Takara's process here and I agree with the decisions they've made recently. I'd have done the same if I were in their shoes. Unless you include multiple heads then every decision you make is going to make an enemy of some part of the fandom. Choose the wider-than-it-is-tall G1 toy head with the distinctive L-shaped horns and you'll annoy the cartoon purists, the Marvel fans, and that one guy who liked Infiltration. Pick the CW-style head with the narrow, J-shaped horns and you've annoyed all of the above, plus classic toy fans.
If you're going to be stuck in a storm whichever way you sail, you may as well aim for the biggest island you can see, which in this case is The-Character-Model-That-Was-Used-For-The-Cartoon-And-The-Comic-And-The-Movie Island, surrounded by the equally noble but far smaller IslandDW and Toy-Accurate Archipelago.
I get that we all want to get the optimal (some might even say "masterpiece") version of these characters, and there's nothing wrong with that desire. But that often means some kind of hybrid of designs from all different versions, and that's usually something that lives and dies on individual preferences. And when you're sailing in a storm and wanting to avoid sinking, the Badcube shark nipping at your oars eliminates any willingness to take risks that you might have had in your younger days.
tl;dr Diem is a filthy corporate stooge apologist
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883694)
Posted by shajaki on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:15pm CDT
I am not in love with that backpack, the chest insignia seems too big, and the butt flap... why?!
He has so much else that is great about him though. And I'm actually taking to that head sculpt.
Posted by shajaki on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:15pm CDT
I am not in love with that backpack, the chest insignia seems too big, and the butt flap... why?!
He has so much else that is great about him though. And I'm actually taking to that head sculpt.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883695)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:17pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:17pm CDT
If there was a alternate toy-accurate head planned, they're probably saving that for Spin-Out, to make it more enticing for being more than a mere Sunstreaker redeco.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883700)
Posted by shajaki on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:55pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on May 23rd, 2017 @ 5:55pm CDT
Good point, and building on that, it would be especially enticing because if they went for accuracy then the ears would be yellow still. And those who aren't happy with the SS toon head could use it for him insteadJelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If there was a alternate toy-accurate head planned, they're probably saving that for Spin-Out, to make it more enticing for being more than a mere Sunstreaker redeco.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883711)
Posted by sol magnus on May 23rd, 2017 @ 6:51pm CDT
Posted by sol magnus on May 23rd, 2017 @ 6:51pm CDT
I got Sunsurge. I will be getting Sunstreaker.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883715)
Posted by sol magnus on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:11pm CDT
If you are then so am I. I too, purchased some of my Masterpiece figures to appeal to toy accuracy (18S Silverstreak, Hasbro Soundwave). I also have always purchased the "real" version of a 3p if I had it or not. I do have a thing about rewarding the company that has given me (and now my children) so much happiness over the years. Thusly, HasTak has never "lost money" from my consumer habits in favor of a 3p company. I think 3p companies have their place in filling gaps I "just can't wait for or don't think will get made", but in the end I will always get the official figure.
On topic - From what I've seen of Sunstreaker so far, he might only be as good as Sunsurge. Sunsurge is a really good "Sunstreaker" - plus, he has hand missles that the Takara version has not yet revealed. On the other hand, Sunstreaker has some really cool innovations Sunsurge likely can't touch.
Bring on Jazz, Trailbreaker/Hoist, and Hound!
Posted by sol magnus on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:11pm CDT
Diem wrote:Just to be clear, I am 100% behind toy accuracy. I made sure when I bought Bumble that the toy-accurate face came with, and it's what he's been wearing ever since I got him. The only version of Streak I own is MP-18S with the totally silver car mode. I love that these incarnations of these figures are available.
But, but, I entirely understand Takara's process here and I agree with the decisions they've made recently. I'd have done the same if I were in their shoes. Unless you include multiple heads then every decision you make is going to make an enemy of some part of the fandom. Choose the wider-than-it-is-tall G1 toy head with the distinctive L-shaped horns and you'll annoy the cartoon purists, the Marvel fans, and that one guy who liked Infiltration. Pick the CW-style head with the narrow, J-shaped horns and you've annoyed all of the above, plus classic toy fans.
If you're going to be stuck in a storm whichever way you sail, you may as well aim for the biggest island you can see, which in this case is The-Character-Model-That-Was-Used-For-The-Cartoon-And-The-Comic-And-The-Movie Island, surrounded by the equally noble but far smaller IslandDW and Toy-Accurate Archipelago.
I get that we all want to get the optimal (some might even say "masterpiece") version of these characters, and there's nothing wrong with that desire. But that often means some kind of hybrid of designs from all different versions, and that's usually something that lives and dies on individual preferences. And when you're sailing in a storm and wanting to avoid sinking, the Badcube shark nipping at your oars eliminates any willingness to take risks that you might have had in your younger days.
tl;dr Diem is a filthy corporate stooge apologist
If you are then so am I. I too, purchased some of my Masterpiece figures to appeal to toy accuracy (18S Silverstreak, Hasbro Soundwave). I also have always purchased the "real" version of a 3p if I had it or not. I do have a thing about rewarding the company that has given me (and now my children) so much happiness over the years. Thusly, HasTak has never "lost money" from my consumer habits in favor of a 3p company. I think 3p companies have their place in filling gaps I "just can't wait for or don't think will get made", but in the end I will always get the official figure.
On topic - From what I've seen of Sunstreaker so far, he might only be as good as Sunsurge. Sunsurge is a really good "Sunstreaker" - plus, he has hand missles that the Takara version has not yet revealed. On the other hand, Sunstreaker has some really cool innovations Sunsurge likely can't touch.
Bring on Jazz, Trailbreaker/Hoist, and Hound!
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883726)
Posted by Seibertron on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:29pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on May 23rd, 2017 @ 7:29pm CDT
I guess what i dont understand is why they just didnt provide both heads. Do both, make most people happy (i could easily see the argument for missile hands and chrome spoiler, but those arent as important to me, nor not as necessarily easy for them).
Making the toy head for the red version isnt what i want either because it wont be for sunstreaker, unless they do it delta magnus style by coming with sunstreakers head in that set because the red version wont need the alien head or other faces.
Hm ... maybe I answered my own question and gave my self some hope!
To anyone questioning where my argument was for Megatron's toy head, his definitive head was definitely the cartoon head. While I'd love to see Megatron's original toy head get some more love, it was a more radical departure than what we're talking about with Sunstreaker between the toy and the cartoon heads. The former is what most toys of Megatron tried replicating (some with greater success than others) starting with Action Master Megatron, whereas Sunstreaker has a 33 year history of his toys having the "streaks" on his ears.
Making the toy head for the red version isnt what i want either because it wont be for sunstreaker, unless they do it delta magnus style by coming with sunstreakers head in that set because the red version wont need the alien head or other faces.
Hm ... maybe I answered my own question and gave my self some hope!
To anyone questioning where my argument was for Megatron's toy head, his definitive head was definitely the cartoon head. While I'd love to see Megatron's original toy head get some more love, it was a more radical departure than what we're talking about with Sunstreaker between the toy and the cartoon heads. The former is what most toys of Megatron tried replicating (some with greater success than others) starting with Action Master Megatron, whereas Sunstreaker has a 33 year history of his toys having the "streaks" on his ears.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883749)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:08pm CDT
Fully agree. I saw this reveal not long after leaving yesterday morning for a trip, and I almost threw up.
No joke, this MP looks awful in bot mode. The car mode is dead sexy, but the robot mode... BLEEECCCCKKKKKKKKK. That head is the worst MP head I have seen, ever. It is not good. Just stop. Please.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:08pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:C'mon Takara! Not a fan of the overly cartoon head or bodies. Please stop!!!
Fully agree. I saw this reveal not long after leaving yesterday morning for a trip, and I almost threw up.
No joke, this MP looks awful in bot mode. The car mode is dead sexy, but the robot mode... BLEEECCCCKKKKKKKKK. That head is the worst MP head I have seen, ever. It is not good. Just stop. Please.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883762)
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:26pm CDT
I have a problem with how busy the whole bot mode is instead of being sleek. Reminds me more of Tracks and less of Lambor and Wheeljack.
Posted by william-james88 on May 23rd, 2017 @ 8:26pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Seibertron wrote:C'mon Takara! Not a fan of the overly cartoon head or bodies. Please stop!!!
Fully agree. I saw this reveal not long after leaving yesterday morning for a trip, and I almost threw up.
No joke, this MP looks awful in bot mode. The car mode is dead sexy, but the robot mode... BLEEECCCCKKKKKKKKK. That head is the worst MP head I have seen, ever. It is not good. Just stop. Please.
I have a problem with how busy the whole bot mode is instead of being sleek. Reminds me more of Tracks and less of Lambor and Wheeljack.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883789)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:30pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:30pm CDT
Most likely more of Lambo's insistence that the altmode resemble the real world car as much as possible, as the chrome spoiler of the G1 toy was yet another aspect of the custom work done to the car's model like the exposed engine block was.Wolfman Jake wrote:Any idea yet on the yellow spoiler?
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883791)
Posted by Seibertron on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:45pm CDT
Or just add the detailing I'm asking for by adding in the much accepted vent lines that is a staple of Sunstreaker's appearance. Or give us both heads, problem solved. Either way, I'd be happy.
I'd be happy with the cartoon look, but with some of the toy details. I'm all for the cartoon look as long as it has more of the real world detailing we have come to expect from the toys. I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details. I do not like flat undetailed panels on Transformers. I like to see some details to make it look more real and less cartoonish.
Posted by Seibertron on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:45pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:But, but, I entirely understand Takara's process here and I agree with the decisions they've made recently. I'd have done the same if I were in their shoes. Unless you include multiple heads then every decision you make is going to make an enemy of some part of the fandom. Choose the wider-than-it-is-tall G1 toy head with the distinctive L-shaped horns and you'll annoy the cartoon purists, the Marvel fans, and that one guy who liked Infiltration. Pick the CW-style head with the narrow, J-shaped horns and you've annoyed all of the above, plus classic toy fans.
Or just add the detailing I'm asking for by adding in the much accepted vent lines that is a staple of Sunstreaker's appearance. Or give us both heads, problem solved. Either way, I'd be happy.
I'd be happy with the cartoon look, but with some of the toy details. I'm all for the cartoon look as long as it has more of the real world detailing we have come to expect from the toys. I do not want toys that look like they walked off the cartoon screen with simplified details. I do not like flat undetailed panels on Transformers. I like to see some details to make it look more real and less cartoonish.
Re: Clearer scans of MP-39 Sunstreaker & Interview Translation (1883792)
Posted by Diem on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:45pm CDT
In toy terms Sunstreaker and Red Lamborghini Countach LP500S "Super Tuning" have identical heads, including yellow colour on the vents (and yellow rather than blue eyes, which is another wrinkle in the cartoon/toy/hybrid style discussion) which means that assuming the head is safely removable at all, a toy-accurate Spin-Out head would likely combine with Sunstreaker's faces to make a toy accurate Sunstreaker head. If they do Police Version that's when we need to be concerned about red vents.
Then you have a head that's not accurate to ANY existing design. That seems like a copout, and a combo-breaker from all the other MP figures that stick by the cartoon head designs.
Posted by Diem on May 23rd, 2017 @ 9:45pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Making the toy head for the red version isnt what i want either because it wont be for sunstreaker, unless they do it delta magnus style by coming with sunstreakers head in that set because the red version wont need the alien head or other faces.
In toy terms Sunstreaker and Red Lamborghini Countach LP500S "Super Tuning" have identical heads, including yellow colour on the vents (and yellow rather than blue eyes, which is another wrinkle in the cartoon/toy/hybrid style discussion) which means that assuming the head is safely removable at all, a toy-accurate Spin-Out head would likely combine with Sunstreaker's faces to make a toy accurate Sunstreaker head. If they do Police Version that's when we need to be concerned about red vents.
Or just add the detailing I'm asking for by adding in the much accepted vent lines that is a staple of Sunstreaker's appearance.
Then you have a head that's not accurate to ANY existing design. That seems like a copout, and a combo-breaker from all the other MP figures that stick by the cartoon head designs.
