Changes to Transformers: The Last Knight Voyager Hound Deco Due to Red Cross Issues

well that sucks

The Red Cross is really overly protective of their trademark.

it almost ruins the whole figure

Bumblebee21 wrote:it almost ruins the whole figure

...how?

Interesting that they used the MP Ratchet style cross and still removed it. Too bad.

That looks terrible.

In Reprolabels we trust.

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:it almost ruins the whole figure

...how?

because thats one of the main things about tlk hound. and its gone now

In some of the recent trailers the updated shots of Hound also has the red cross removed from his robot mode.

So this probably is not only the toys but Hound in the film as well I knew this would happen eventually.

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This. Always.

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NovaSentinel wrote:In Reprolabels we trust.

This. Always.

Yep you can bet they'll sort it. I'm keenly waiting for them to release voyager Optimus Prime flame stickers.

Deadput wrote:In some of the recent trailers the updated shots of Hound also has the red cross removed from his robot mode.

So this probably is not only the toys but Hound in the film as well I knew this would happen eventually.

Thanks, I was basing my analysis on the official shots of Hound so far. I had not noticed that it was removed from the recent trailers as well.

And Bumblebee21, while it doesnt ruin the figure to me, it does take away some nice detail that broke up all the same coloured plastic.

I'm probably in the minority, but I think removing the only uses of those colors makes it look superior. The shade of green and stark white really don't mix, at least in my opinion.

william-james88 wrote:

Deadput wrote:In some of the recent trailers the updated shots of Hound also has the red cross removed from his robot mode.

So this probably is not only the toys but Hound in the film as well I knew this would happen eventually.

Thanks, I was basing my analysis on the official shots of Hound so far. I had not noticed that it was removed from the recent trailers as well.

And Bumblebee21, while it doesnt ruin the figure to me, it does take away some nice detail that broke up all the same coloured plastic.

after hearing what deadput said it might not make me make anymore

... Gotta be honest, from the pictures I thought this was the turbo changer. That is not the greatest deco.

Thought it was odd to give him medical symbols but then again he's probably going to do more medical work than ratchet did.

better take them out of the movie too. we dont want people to get offended.

Prowl4 wrote:Thought it was odd to give him medical symbols but then again he's probably going to do more medical work than ratchet did.

I know head canon's are not true and all but I just chalk it up to Ratchet getting rusty (literally) in his hands from age like from the MTMTE comics so he isn't as good as he used to be so I consider Ratchet to be more of a "knowledge" type doctor who tells you what your symptoms are and not as much as a physical one who saves your life.

What we do know is in movie 1 Ratchet's analysis of Bee's voicebox as well as Sam's uh pheromones, talked about the consequences of Optimus merging his Spark with the Allspark and presumably helped fix Bee's legs, In ROTF He told Jolt what to do with Optimus and Jetfire (in the novel he does the work himself) and he probably checked up on Prime after he died, In DOTM he provided analysis on Sentinel's state while on the moon with Optimus and presumably fixed Prime's arm after the movie.


So the problem isn't really that Ratceht doesn't do medical work but that most of hands on work takes place off screen and when it does it's not obvious lets hope Hound does otherwise in this movie.

griftimus prime wrote:better take them out of the movie too. we dont want people to get offended.

They are since it's absent in the more recent Trailers.

I'm personally glad their removed from the helmet since that looks weird to me but it's a shame their not on his shoulders anymore.

Well that sucks. I guess the Red Cross didn't want to be represented by a foul-mouthed bad-tempered obese robot 'nam veteran. Bloody spoilsports.

Deadput wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:Thought it was odd to give him medical symbols but then again he's probably going to do more medical work than ratchet did.

I know head canon's are not true and all but I just chalk it up to Ratchet getting rusty (literally) in his hands from age like from the MTMTE comics so he isn't as good as he used to be so I consider Ratchet to be more of a "knowledge" type doctor who tells you what your symptoms are and not as much as a physical one who saves your life.

What we do know is in movie 1 Ratchet's analysis of Bee's voicebox as well as Sam's uh pheromones, talked about the consequences of Optimus merging his Spark with the Allspark and presumably helped fix Bee's legs, In ROTF He told Jolt what to do with Optimus and Jetfire (in the novel he does the work himself) and he probably checked up on Prime after he died, In DOTM he provided analysis on Sentinel's state while on the moon with Optimus and presumably fixed Prime's arm after the movie.


So the problem isn't really that Ratceht doesn't do medical work but that most of hands on work takes place off screen and when it does it's not obvious lets hope Hound does otherwise in this movie.

Ratchet was medically a problem. Movie 1 he had a laser point at bee,he guides ironhide's canon to the window of Sams house and says "yeah yeah yeah" when ironhide asks to take out the parents, when bees legs blew off sam called him nowhere to be seen, also he's not carrying jazz which just seems like he didn't try and gave up. Movie 2 particularly in the desert he just watches jetfire kill himself without even offering to help not to mention when prime dies his first thought is let's go off world. Movie 3 again he's more interested in shooting things up.

Hound and ratchet are looking to be similar in that they don't care about being an actual medic and are more interested in shooting things up.

Prowl4 wrote:
Ratchet was medically a problem. Movie 1 he had a laser point at bee,he guides ironhide's canon to the window of Sams house and says "yeah yeah yeah" when ironhide asks to take out the parents, when bees legs blew off sam called him nowhere to be seen, also he's not carrying jazz which just seems like he didn't try and gave up. Movie 2 particularly in the desert he just watches jetfire kill himself without even offering to help not to mention when prime dies his first thought is let's go off world. Movie 3 again he's more interested in shooting things up.

Hound and ratchet are looking to be similar in that they don't care about being an actual medic and are more interested in shooting things up.

What was wrong with the laser pointer it was a medical tool?

Starscram and Brawl were attacking the group at that point I don't think Ratchet had time to check on Bee and Ironhide is carrying Jazz because he is the stronger of the two and it's obvious he tried because Ironhide himself said "We couldn't save him" so that means he obviously tried plus it seems obvious Megatron instantly killed Jazz since he is never shown moving around and he looks pretty dead dangling in Mega's hands lifelessly.

Jetfire chose to kill himself that was his own damn choice he wanted to sacrifice himself plus Scroponok did quite the number on Jetfire so he was probably dying you know from having more then his side being destroyed.

When did Ratchet show interest in shooting things up in DOTM?

Never that's when

Hey Will not sure if you care but this dude is copying your news post and posting it on another site without giving you credit.

And posting it in an unrelated thread as well weirdly enough.

Went through the image galleries and I was a bit incorrect.

Their not gone in the recent trailer but they are color edited to be dark green but it's still removed from the helmet it seems.

I did not notice this earlier cause I'm near sighted and have a bit of minor color blindness to some greens and only saw the cross now that I'm looking at it closely and not in a moving image.



Edit: in other news I can say for sure that the "planet" is Cybertron since we got the honeycombs everywhere and that poster for the Toys R Us Cybertron thing mentions that Cybertron transforms as well.

wonder why there is no lisence on barricade

is he an actual car in the movie or a custom type car

Bumblebee21 wrote:wonder why there is no lisence on barricade

is he an actual car in the movie or a custom type car

In the movie he's an actual Ford Mustang GT500 Police Type.

The toy however looks like a mix between the 2017 Dodge Charger Police Pursuit version and the Ford Police Interceptor but not the actual Mustang in the Movie.

Charger Pursuit


Ford Interceptor


Barricade Toy


Barricade Movie


The toy is ambiguous enough of a car to not require a license from anyone. It's definitely not a Mustang, but not a Charger or the Interceptor either.

interesting. thanks overcracker

This is stupid. Like they didn't get the logo from somewhere else. Cross. Uh... Romans invented that. Red. Blood, right? You know, like Jesus? Ok, so the cross looks more Greek Orthodox, but seems like the J man kind of made it popular as a symbol. Maybe I'm wrong, but if they already copied someone else they got no reason to moan over it?

I mean, you think people looking at "thing with red cross helps me" would be something they like. "Oh, I'm hurt! I should get the box with the red cross on it!" So like, in real life don't people get help from the Red Cross? Makes no sense to me. I think I'd want people going after my symbol. I'd want people to see it everywhere, knowing "hey, that's what you go to for help!" I ain't the brightest bulb, but I think they're just dumb for acting like that.

EunuchRon wrote:This is stupid. Like they didn't get the logo from somewhere else. Cross. Uh... Romans invented that. Red. Blood, right? You know, like Jesus? Ok, so the cross looks more Greek Orthodox, but seems like the J man kind of made it popular as a symbol. Maybe I'm wrong, but if they already copied someone else they got no reason to moan over it?

I mean, you think people looking at "thing with red cross helps me" would be something they like. "Oh, I'm hurt! I should get the box with the red cross on it!" So like, in real life don't people get help from the Red Cross? Makes no sense to me. I think I'd want people going after my symbol. I'd want people to see it everywhere, knowing "hey, that's what you go to for help!" I ain't the brightest bulb, but I think they're just dumb for acting like that.

If you aren't the brightest bulb, they're branding and marketing department(s) must be the burnt out bulbs that somehow got put back in the box.

Barricade and Road Block are finally on the beat together.




The entire Bronzewolf police force. (Side note, Barricade and legend class groove work REALLY good together)

Found all the wave 1 deluxes at retail, so being the impulsive person I am I picked up Berserker - I want at least one minion for Megatron when I get him. I really wish he didn't have rubber parts for his hands, shoulder spikes, dreadlocks AND weapons - since it's getting warmer I'm really concerned about their longevity - and his vehicle mode is a huge pain to tab together. On the other hand, his robot mode looks really cool and has a nice range of movement, so I'll probably keep him in that mode most of the time. I do want to paint him and bring out those little details like I will with voyager Prime, and I'll post some pictures when I do.

If they're going to remove the cross then at the very least they could have given Hound regular Autobot symbols. Or as pointed out above the green crosses in the movie would have looked pretty nice.

Terrsolpix wrote:I'm probably in the minority, but I think removing the only uses of those colors makes it look superior. The shade of green and stark white really don't mix, at least in my opinion.

But that's the whole point of the Red Cross symbol, to be highly visible and instantly recognizable from a distance. It should contrast with the rest of the colors.

Emerje

Deadput wrote:Hey Will not sure if you care but this dude is copying your news post and posting it on another site without giving you credit.

And posting it in an unrelated thread as well weirdly enough.

Thanks, but it doesnt matter, there isnt anything or anyone to credit really. These pics dont belong to me or anyone else. Its just a fact that I am sharing and that this person is now sharing.

Seriously, if I was the Red Cross, I wouldn't want movie bound to wear it, either. The image of hound with all those weapons, grenades, and cigars doe st ring I'm a medic or I'm coming to save you. Maybe hound from the G1 cartoon fits better. Don't know if Red Cross agrees to the old character then got new movie hound without them knowing

here we go again! 35yrs later

but isnt the red cross on a white background the universal symbol for a medic? Plus it has the autobot symbol right on it so its not the exact one red cross uses, i dont understand this at all. Maybe its not red cross at all that made them get rid of it, maybe they removed it cause all he does is blow the crap out of stuff and doesnt do any kind of medic like actions so its not really fitting. I mean just look at the door it had the red cross next to a kill tally, not very medic like.

Megatron Wolf wrote:but isnt the red cross on a white background the universal symbol for a medic? Plus it has the autobot symbol right on it so its not the exact one red cross uses, i dont understand this at all. Maybe its not red cross at all that made them get rid of it, maybe they removed it cause all he does is blow the crap out of stuff and doesnt do any kind of medic like actions so its not really fitting. I mean just look at the door it had the red cross next to a kill tally, not very medic like.

The red cross on a white background was indeed used as a symbol for a medic in popular culture back in the day, but as we all know, not all of it is based on true fact. That symbol has always stood for that particular organisation, but it's begun to really reinforce the protection of its trademark in the past 15 to 20 years.

With all the dinos around, I wonder...

Bay movies (and toys) that will dabble in the BEAST WARS universe when? Especially when they are no humans around.
Thanks to Grimlock we have an idea what a Bay Megatron would look like, but how about a Bay Optimus Primal?

With all the time travelling that will occur in TLK, it could even be possible for TF6 or TF7.

Megatron Wolf wrote:but isnt the red cross on a white background the universal symbol for a medic? Plus it has the autobot symbol right on it so its not the exact one red cross uses, i dont understand this at all. Maybe its not red cross at all that made them get rid of it, maybe they removed it cause all he does is blow the crap out of stuff and doesnt do any kind of medic like actions so its not really fitting. I mean just look at the door it had the red cross next to a kill tally, not very medic like.

The point is that Hound seems to be Ratchet's replacement which makes him a combat medic as in you know a medic who fights on the battlefield like in real military forces since they have to themselves and others alive during wars.

It's an irony thing like with Barricade being a cop car with knuckle dusters saying "protect and serve"

I don't see Bee, Crosshairs or Drift being medics and who better to replace a dead medic with a dude who knows how to kill?

It's actually a violation of the Geneva convention to have a red cross on anything they haven't said it's ok to. They even forced people in videogames to switch out red crosses for green or blue ones before. What a waste of time. I don't see how this helps anyone. I get that people shouldn't pretend to be medics or falsely represent health equipment but geez. I think most people can understand that a toy with a medical cross on it is not a real ambulance.

http://www.ratedred.com/culture/video-g ... convention

If you want a specific Tiny Turbo Changer there are some tips and tricks to finding the one you want. If feeling the bag and looking through the small window in the back bottom corner won't work for you there is a solution. We are aware that some toys are similarly colored and some people are unable to see color. You can tell what the toy will by looking at the embossed letter on the back of the packaging. The image below will show you where to look.



Now from here we reference Transformers fan Robert Hardin, whom has cracked the code.

I have cracked the code!
I’ve been doing some online research on these Tiny Turbo Changers blind bags trying to see what bag has which character. The forums haven’t been helpful, many saying there aren’t codes anymore due to anti-gambling laws! This simply is not true, because I found individual letter codes on each package near the small window (which also gives you a hint). The codes are:
A – Grimlock gold
B – Grimlock black
C – Lockdown
D – Hound
E – Bee yellow
F – Crosshairs
G – Blackout
H – Soundwave
J – Starscream
K – Sideswipe
L – Bee black
! – Prime
Yes, Prime seems to be an exclamation point. Happy hunting!

If you would like to see what some of the Tiny Turbo Changers look like outside of their blind bags, check out this article.

It's specifically prohibited for a red cross to be displayed on any armed Military vehicle -that is why Vietnam evac Helicopters didn't have them I guess as they also had guns.

So Hound is Very illegal in vehicle mode being a Missile truck and sporting a red cross - if he's been a battle field ambulance and only armed in robot mode he'd have been fine as then he'd be an unarmed vehicle and a armed combat medic (or akin to one) in robot mode. (which is fine).

Oh and nice discovery for the wee figures - someone should tell protoman.

Have I screenshotted that Tiny Turbo code list to keep on my phone? Yes, yes I have. I not usually into cutesy renditions of characters but I quite liked the lil Starscream I got at the weekend and may like another character or two and detest the whole money-wasting blind bag thing. So thank you very much for the list!

You are very welcome! I feel you on that too, I collected lego minifigs for a while and it can be a money pit if feeling the bags doesn't work. Lots of similar parts with the lego bags, I believe the Grimlocks are the same mold. Always good to use our every advantage.

Tine are Series ONE of those blind bags.
The way these things are appreciated and sell, I'm confident there will be a Series Two and the concept could even be made into RID and Generations.

I want a WHOLE collection of these ADORABLE bots!

Yessssss

These are way better than Tiny Titans and this will make them easier to collect

Awesome stuff wreckerjack!! This is gonna save me time. I did a similar thing with the TMNT MegaBloks blindbags, I've gone through series 1-3!

Hopefully I'll find these this weekend and my desk will be filled with tiny bots!

itscramtastic wrote:Awesome stuff wreckerjack!! This is gonna save me time. I did a similar thing with the TMNT MegaBloks blindbags, I've gone through series 1-3!

Hopefully I'll find these this weekend and my desk will be filled with tiny bots!

Happy to hear that. You should show us a pic of them all lined up!

I'm sure they removed the cross to not offend the followers of other religions. Therefore, to sell more toys.

Voyager Hound is just disappointing me once again. First, they made the alt mode movie inaccurate. Those painted windows look just cheap. Now this.

I only hope Hound survives TF:TLK and Hasbro will make better figure for the next movie.

I started painting bits on my voyager Optims Prime cos was getting a bit annoyed with the inaccurate paintjob.


Will tidy it up and apply flame stickers when Reprolabels make them.