CG Renders for Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Dinobot
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Posted by Insurgent on June 3rd, 2017 @ 1:43am CDT
Posted by Kurona on June 3rd, 2017 @ 5:43am CDT
Posted by steals_your_goats on June 3rd, 2017 @ 6:15am CDT
Posted by Hydrargyrus on June 3rd, 2017 @ 9:35am CDT
I think.
Posted by SureShot18 on June 3rd, 2017 @ 9:44am CDT
To be fair Dinobot's raptor model in the show was a little thick.
Posted by Kurona on June 3rd, 2017 @ 10:20am CDT
SureShot18 wrote:Both torsos look a little too big but I'm not judging it yet. Not only is this a render, it's an untextured gray model render. I might be so forgiving because I really want it to be good and I'll probably get it anyway.
To be fair Dinobot's raptor model in the show was a little thick.
Yeah, it's weird to think and remember like that but Dinobot... man, those thighs.
It's more evident on video than a single frame or picture can convey. And yeah, I know this is the clone, but same model.
Posted by wewyllenium on June 3rd, 2017 @ 7:54pm CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on June 3rd, 2017 @ 7:59pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 3rd, 2017 @ 11:16pm CDT
If not Dinobot, then hope it comes with Masterpiece Blix.Ironhidensh wrote:I just have to say, I'll be super pissed if he doesn't come with an "improvised" stone-age weapon.
Posted by Kurona on June 4th, 2017 @ 1:17pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 4th, 2017 @ 1:28pm CDT
Posted by wilcosu35 on June 4th, 2017 @ 1:36pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It is said that MP Primal comes up to Dinobot's shoulders.
If they continue to go cartoon-accurate in size relative to the other characters, that's pretty much a given considering he was quite a tall bot in the show.
I haven't found a size chart yet, but Rhinox and Dinobot were both bigger than Primal, Tigatron was Primal's size, Cheetor and Airazor were slightly smaller, and then Rattrap was even smaller than them.
Posted by Sabrblade on June 4th, 2017 @ 1:41pm CDT
As they all should be.wilcosu35 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It is said that MP Primal comes up to Dinobot's shoulders.
If they continue to go cartoon-accurate in size relative to the other characters, that's pretty much a given considering he was quite a tall bot in the show.
I haven't found a size chart yet, but Rhinox and Dinobot were both bigger than Primal, Tigatron was Primal's size, Cheetor and Airazor were slightly smaller, and then Rattrap was even smaller than them.
Rattrap needs to be much smaller than his Generations Deluxe toy, and Rhinox bigger than his Generations Voyager toy.
Posted by Insurgent on June 4th, 2017 @ 1:51pm CDT
I believe Rhinox's eye level should be about Dinobot's neck.
Posted by wilcosu35 on June 4th, 2017 @ 1:53pm CDT
Insurgent wrote:I believe Dinobot was the tallest, followed closely by Rhinox. I remember one episode when Rhinox got angry with Dinobot and grabbed him by the throat, lifting him up. His hand had to go upto do so, which made it more impressive that Dinobot was left dangling off the floor.
I believe Rhinox's eye level should be about Dinobot's neck.
Lesson: Never make Rhinox angry. You won't like him when he's angry.
Posted by karyuudo on June 4th, 2017 @ 3:34pm CDT
Posted by megamanfan on June 4th, 2017 @ 9:29pm CDT
karyuudo wrote:LOL no cellphones, and no cameras allowed. Good luck trying to enforce that.
there's even literally a camera IN THAT PICTURE.
Posted by Actar on June 5th, 2017 @ 4:54am CDT
megamanfan wrote:karyuudo wrote:LOL no cellphones, and no cameras allowed. Good luck trying to enforce that.
there's even literally a camera IN THAT PICTURE.
Haha, that's either the event organizer or their own people, recording the presentation for record purposes.
Posted by Rodimus Knight on June 5th, 2017 @ 9:47am CDT
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on June 5th, 2017 @ 4:15pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:I just have to say, I'll be super pissed if he doesn't come with an "improvised" stone-age weapon.
Same, same!
Also, HELL YEAH!
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 6th, 2017 @ 7:08pm CDT
Posted by Corsair on June 6th, 2017 @ 11:15pm CDT
Said shelf should be just tall enough to accommodate him.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 24th, 2017 @ 8:31pm CDT
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/takaratomy-masterpiece-dinobot.1099935/page-197#post-15155484
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Posted by shajaki on October 24th, 2017 @ 8:50pm CDT
Enhance!
Sculpted scales........ What the F??!
I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Posted by Sabrblade on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:21pm CDT
Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
Posted by william-james88 on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:30pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:30pm CDT
.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?Sabrblade wrote:Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:35pm CDT
A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.shajaki wrote:.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?Sabrblade wrote:Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.
Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.
Posted by TulioDude on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:36pm CDT
Posted by Prime Target on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:46pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on October 24th, 2017 @ 9:47pm CDT
Posted by Corsair on October 24th, 2017 @ 10:18pm CDT
I have a shelf set up just for Masterpiece Beast Wars figures and to leave me hanging with only Primal and Cheetor would have been a tragedy.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2017 @ 10:24pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.shajaki wrote:.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?Sabrblade wrote:Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.
Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.
Realistic fur is really hard to actually create in CGI, let alone to animate it. Studios have only just begun to master it, thanks in part of the computer's abilities, or lack thereof, to render a ridiculous amount of objects on a single model, let alone multiple. Plus, by comparison episodic series have a smaller budget per section than a feature length movie, which doesn't help.
Posted by EunuchRon on October 24th, 2017 @ 11:17pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.shajaki wrote:.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?Sabrblade wrote:Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting
Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.
Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.
Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.
Realistic fur is really hard to actually create in CGI, let alone to animate it. Studios have only just begun to master it, thanks in part of the computer's abilities, or lack thereof, to render a ridiculous amount of objects on a single model, let alone multiple. Plus, by comparison episodic series have a smaller budget per section than a feature length movie, which doesn't help.
Yeah, they made a big deal of showing hair off in Shrek 2 on Prince Charming.
If you watch the end of Beast Wars and then go watch the beginning you see a major change of quality. They got better stuff as the series went on. When I first saw the series I was just impressed that we got 3D transformers.
Oh, and Dinobot is just awesome. Fav char by far from Beast Wars. Definitely lovin' this masterpiece so far.
Posted by butcher31 on October 25th, 2017 @ 12:45am CDT
It's been a while since I watched the show so this only just clicked.
Posted by ScottyP on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:14am CDT
Yep, exciting is the right word! While LG Rattrap and Rhinox are pretty good stand-ins from a scale perspective, this will presumably be the first Dinobot anywhere close to the "correct" size and that's just amazing and kind of surreal.butcher31 wrote:I just realised how big he's going to be. I presume he'll be show accurate and scale well with the others, which means he'll be head and shoulders above Primal. That's super exciting.
It's been a while since I watched the show so this only just clicked.
What do y'all think is next - Tigatron retooling, Megatron, or another Primal repaint?
Posted by Sabrblade on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:31am CDT
Hopefully Megatron.ScottyP wrote:What do y'all think is next - Tigatron retooling, Megatron, or another Primal repaint?
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:40am CDT
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
Posted by ScottyP on October 25th, 2017 @ 8:58am CDT
He does? I can see Takara doing a Thrustor retool, maybe a toy deco version, but outside of that it'd have to be Grimlock or Fox Kids or some US toy-only deco that I can't imagine them touching. Would be happy to be way wrong about this, for the record!Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from..
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 9:35am CDT
ScottyP wrote:He does? I can see Takara doing a Thrustor retool, maybe a toy deco version, but outside of that it'd have to be Grimlock or Fox Kids or some US toy-only deco that I can't imagine them touching. Would be happy to be way wrong about this, for the record!Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from..
Original toy, BWN Hardhead, the Season 3 Cyberraptors... they used this mold a lot.
Posted by ScottyP on October 25th, 2017 @ 10:06am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 25th, 2017 @ 10:20am CDT
As for your question Scotty, Megatron has to come soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tigatron soon, but they had better do a Megatron soon.
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 25th, 2017 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by shajaki on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:09pm CDT
They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued togetherKurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT
shajaki wrote:They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued togetherKurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?
Posted by Sabrblade on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:20pm CDT
Well, NOW that you guys brought up the idea...Kurona wrote:shajaki wrote:They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued togetherKurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?
Posted by Kurona on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:29pm CDT
Come to think of it, this sort of schedule would imply MP Dinobot is coming out sometime next year, right? As are the POTP Dinobots, and any possible redecos of any of those. Year of the friggin' Dinosaurs and related creatures dude!
Posted by shajaki on October 25th, 2017 @ 1:36pm CDT
Because of my Dinobot Shrine, I was actually going to buy 3 right outta the gateSabrblade wrote:Well, NOW that you guys brought up the idea...Kurona wrote:shajaki wrote:They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued togetherKurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.
Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?
Posted by shajaki on October 25th, 2017 @ 9:27pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 26th, 2017 @ 10:15am CDT
Kurona wrote:Of course
Come to think of it, this sort of schedule would imply MP Dinobot is coming out sometime next year, right? As are the POTP Dinobots, and any possible redecos of any of those. Year of the friggin' Dinosaurs and related creatures dude!
Well, if Dinobot ends up being MP-41 (remember that Primal fiasco with MP-31 going to an out of nowhere Delta Magnus and Primal going back to MP-32, I ain't gonna say for sure yet) he should come out around April or May, seeing as how Sunstreaker is December and Targetmaster Hot Rod is February, that would be my guess