Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks
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While we have a good idea of what the rest of 2021 has to offer in terms of Studio Series toys, we never know which toys may get repacked. This is very important for people who have had local retailers skip the first wave of 2021. Those toys were produced at the worst part of the pandemic for manufacturing so Hasbro probably preemptively decided those toys would be repacked and indeed they are. So below you will see a breakdown of the next two waves yet to be on shelves this year, with case assortments and which toys are getting repacked. All of this is of course tentative and not yet confirmed by an actual retailer listing like Entertainment Earth. But our source, JTPrime17 has been very reliable in the past.
Wave 13: release 8/1/2021
Deluxe:
2x TF2 Jolt
2x TF2 Bumblebee with sam
2x 86 Gnaw
2x 86 Jazz (repack)
Voyager:
1x 86 Wreck Gar
2x TF6 Thrust
Leader:
1x TF2 Grindor with Ravage
1x 86 Slag
Wave 14: Release 11/1/2021
Deluxe:
3x TF2 Sideswipe
2x 86 Kup (repack)
1x TF6 B-127 (repack)
2x 86 Blurr (repack)
Voyagers:
2x 86 Sweep
1x 86 Wreck Gar (repack)
Nemesis Primal did the math on our boards and reasoned that this is a very similar output to the previous 3 years of the Studio Series line (yes, this is the line's 4th year!)
Year 1: 11 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 2 Leaders across 4 waves
Year 2: 11 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 3 Leaders across 3 waves
Year 3: 10 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 3 Leaders across 3 waves
Year 4 (this year): 9 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 3 Leaders across 4 waves
Wave 13: release 8/1/2021
Deluxe:
2x TF2 Jolt
2x TF2 Bumblebee with sam
2x 86 Gnaw
2x 86 Jazz (repack)
Voyager:
1x 86 Wreck Gar
2x TF6 Thrust
Leader:
1x TF2 Grindor with Ravage
1x 86 Slag
Wave 14: Release 11/1/2021
Deluxe:
3x TF2 Sideswipe
2x 86 Kup (repack)
1x TF6 B-127 (repack)
2x 86 Blurr (repack)
Voyagers:
2x 86 Sweep
1x 86 Wreck Gar (repack)
Nemesis Primal did the math on our boards and reasoned that this is a very similar output to the previous 3 years of the Studio Series line (yes, this is the line's 4th year!)
Year 1: 11 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 2 Leaders across 4 waves
Year 2: 11 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 3 Leaders across 3 waves
Year 3: 10 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 3 Leaders across 3 waves
Year 4 (this year): 9 Deluxes, 6 Voyagers, & 3 Leaders across 4 waves
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Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104973)
Posted by Bounti76 on May 19th, 2021 @ 9:45pm CDT
Posted by Bounti76 on May 19th, 2021 @ 9:45pm CDT
Why is Wreck-Gar, a main character of the 86 Movie, packed once in each case he comes in, and Bee Movie Thrust, who had a scant literal few SECONDS of screen time (and no speaking lines) is packed two to a case?? Especially when the Bee Movie Starscream mold is clogging shelves anywhere I find him?? 
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104974)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2021 @ 9:53pm CDT
Probably just character recognition with kids. Wreck-Gar hasn't had a lot of fictional appearances outside of G1 and Animated. The good news is that solid cases of all of these figures are usually available to order. I'll probably order heavily on Wreck-Gar initially for the Seibertron Store if this case assortment stands.
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2021 @ 9:53pm CDT
Bounti76 wrote:Why is Wreck-Gar, a main character of the 86 Movie, packed once in each case he comes in, and Bee Movie Thrust, who had a scant literal few SECONDS of screen time (and no speaking lines) is packed two to a case?? Especially when the Bee Movie Starscream mold is clogging shelves anywhere I find him??
Probably just character recognition with kids. Wreck-Gar hasn't had a lot of fictional appearances outside of G1 and Animated. The good news is that solid cases of all of these figures are usually available to order. I'll probably order heavily on Wreck-Gar initially for the Seibertron Store if this case assortment stands.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104982)
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 12:05am CDT
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 12:05am CDT
I feel like we're breaking records with how many old molds and repack figures they can packed into 1 wave. Wave 14 Deluxes get 3 whopping repacks and 1 remold (assuming sideswipe takes mold from his last SS figure, which he will). That's incredibly sad, especially since we're still waiting for some major characters like Wheeljack (Dotm), Sideways, Skids & Mudflap, Devcons, The Fallen, and SO many more. I'm starting to genuinely wonder what's going on at the Hastak Headquarters with the lack of attention to SS.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104984)
Posted by X3ROhour on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:05am CDT
Posted by X3ROhour on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:05am CDT
Studio 86
GNAW
?
That's gotta be bigger than the other Gnaw we got back in Titans Returns, right?
That Gnaw was cool, but way too small for a deluxe price point.
HasTak might have been able pull those shenanigans with Cliff, Bee & Hubcap, but those guys have fan following.
Maybe if they give you 2 or 3 per pack...
?
GNAW
?
That's gotta be bigger than the other Gnaw we got back in Titans Returns, right?
That Gnaw was cool, but way too small for a deluxe price point.
HasTak might have been able pull those shenanigans with Cliff, Bee & Hubcap, but those guys have fan following.
Maybe if they give you 2 or 3 per pack...
?
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104985)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 20th, 2021 @ 4:48am CDT
It's a new mould of Gnaw scaled to match the other SS86 guys
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 20th, 2021 @ 4:48am CDT
X3ROhour wrote:Studio 86
GNAW
?
That's gotta be bigger than the other Gnaw we got back in Titans Returns, right?
That Gnaw was cool, but way too small for a deluxe price point.
HasTak might have been able pull those shenanigans with Cliff, Bee & Hubcap, but those guys have fan following.
Maybe if they give you 2 or 3 per pack...
It's a new mould of Gnaw scaled to match the other SS86 guys
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104986)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 20th, 2021 @ 4:54am CDT
Well, for once I'm really, REALLY happy for all those repacks. Because the SS86 deluxes never ever shown themselves at my local stores. Heck, anything have barely shown at all! As if only Cyberverse mattered.
Now that things are finally picking up again, maybe, just maybe, my local Walmart and Toys R Us will bother ordering those waves so I can finally buy them at normal retain price without having to pay scalper and shipping fees.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 20th, 2021 @ 4:54am CDT
jtanimator wrote:I feel like we're breaking records with how many old molds and repack figures they can packed into 1 wave. Wave 14 Deluxes get 3 whopping repacks and 1 remold (assuming sideswipe takes mold from his last SS figure, which he will). That's incredibly sad, especially since we're still waiting for some major characters like Wheeljack (Dotm), Sideways, Skids & Mudflap, Devcons, The Fallen, and SO many more. I'm starting to genuinely wonder what's going on at the Hastak Headquarters with the lack of attention to SS.
Well, for once I'm really, REALLY happy for all those repacks. Because the SS86 deluxes never ever shown themselves at my local stores. Heck, anything have barely shown at all! As if only Cyberverse mattered.
Now that things are finally picking up again, maybe, just maybe, my local Walmart and Toys R Us will bother ordering those waves so I can finally buy them at normal retain price without having to pay scalper and shipping fees.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104988)
Posted by william-james88 on May 20th, 2021 @ 6:00am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on May 20th, 2021 @ 6:00am CDT
jtanimator wrote:Especially since we're still waiting for some major characters like Wheeljack (Dotm), Sideways, Skids & Mudflap, Devcons
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2104995)
Posted by Dark Megatron on May 20th, 2021 @ 8:09am CDT
Posted by Dark Megatron on May 20th, 2021 @ 8:09am CDT
Nice to see that Gnaw and Sweeps will be double packed, for all of us troop builders
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105008)
Posted by LinaNui on May 20th, 2021 @ 9:33am CDT
Posted by LinaNui on May 20th, 2021 @ 9:33am CDT
Wow this year has sucked for Bayverse TFs. Only 5 figures with two being repaints (BB and Grindor) and another being a possible retool (TF2 sideswipe). Hopefully next year will be back to normal (but the leaks are not looking good) with G1 getting back to the mainline. I doubt this though since the mainline is going to actually include multiple generations of TFs and there won't be enough room for G1 there. There is maybe a years worth of Bayverse left, I wish they would just finish it.
On another note, with Artfire being revealed this week. It has got me worried about what is going to be shown for the Friday event. I know they have said that SS would be shown off in may, but I would not put it past them to forget about that and just reveal more in kingdom, selects, or more G1related stuff. Hopefully I am wrong here.
On another note, with Artfire being revealed this week. It has got me worried about what is going to be shown for the Friday event. I know they have said that SS would be shown off in may, but I would not put it past them to forget about that and just reveal more in kingdom, selects, or more G1related stuff. Hopefully I am wrong here.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105009)
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 9:33am CDT
Not sure why that needed corrected when my point was still pretty clear and generally agreed upon lol. But I guess let me correct myself; “especially when we’re waiting on some *anticipated fan favorites* like...”
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 9:33am CDT
william-james88 wrote:jtanimator wrote:Especially since we're still waiting for some major characters like Wheeljack (Dotm), Sideways, Skids & Mudflap, Devcons
Not sure why that needed corrected when my point was still pretty clear and generally agreed upon lol. But I guess let me correct myself; “especially when we’re waiting on some *anticipated fan favorites* like...”
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105011)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 20th, 2021 @ 9:39am CDT
The joke is that RoTF Skids and Mudflap are generally hated by the fandom. You should be ashamed to like such vile characters.
That said, gimme A voyager icecream twins two pack and the regular deluxes of them already!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on May 20th, 2021 @ 9:39am CDT
jtanimator wrote:
Not sure why that needed corrected when my point was still pretty clear and generally agreed upon lol. But I guess let me correct myself; “especially when we’re waiting on some *anticipated fan favorites* like...”
The joke is that RoTF Skids and Mudflap are generally hated by the fandom. You should be ashamed to like such vile characters.
That said, gimme A voyager icecream twins two pack and the regular deluxes of them already!
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105019)
Posted by o.supreme on May 20th, 2021 @ 10:09am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on May 20th, 2021 @ 10:09am CDT
Based on an initial count, It seems that there are at least 50 more characters just from movies 1-5 that still haven't been released. I would think the line is far from done. Of course if Hasbro only goes for characters with dialogue, or doesn't have the ingenuity/desire to make some characters , then I guess it could end sooner. But if they are going to do every minor character from BB, and adding in SS86, plus the fact that a 7th film will be out in the next 2 years, this line has a potentially very long lifespan.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105023)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 20th, 2021 @ 10:29am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 20th, 2021 @ 10:29am CDT
Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105025)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 20th, 2021 @ 10:52am CDT
I’m actually super excited for an SS Sideways in the future. He doesn’t do much in the movie, but he’s one of the main playable characters in the ROTF video games and even makes a brief appearance in the ride at Universal.
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 20th, 2021 @ 10:52am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
I’m actually super excited for an SS Sideways in the future. He doesn’t do much in the movie, but he’s one of the main playable characters in the ROTF video games and even makes a brief appearance in the ride at Universal.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105031)
Posted by Overcracker on May 20th, 2021 @ 11:32am CDT
I'd like a Sideways if they manage to get a fully licensed Audi R8 alt mode. For some reason the original movie toys were not actually licensed R8s, just close approximations.
Much like Porsche, and coincidentally owned by the same parent company, Audi has not allowed the usage of their fully licensed cars for TF toys for some reason.
Posted by Overcracker on May 20th, 2021 @ 11:32am CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
I’m actually super excited for an SS Sideways in the future. He doesn’t do much in the movie, but he’s one of the main playable characters in the ROTF video games and even makes a brief appearance in the ride at Universal.
I'd like a Sideways if they manage to get a fully licensed Audi R8 alt mode. For some reason the original movie toys were not actually licensed R8s, just close approximations.
Much like Porsche, and coincidentally owned by the same parent company, Audi has not allowed the usage of their fully licensed cars for TF toys for some reason.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105035)
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 11:53am CDT
I still stand by them being fan-favorites for many people out there. Based on my experience in the fandom there's actually a lot of people who like those characters and are very nostalgic for them, and most certainly want SS representations of them, but they just don't usually speak out in fear of being insulted or labeled as "vile" or "racist" lol.
As for as Sidways is concerned, I never cared for his design much, but I know I've seen a lot of posts asking for him. Maybe I'm just scarred from how floppy and fiddly his ROTF figure was lol. 9 year old me couldn't handle it
Anyways, With a SS Devestator, I totally need an accompanying 2 pack of those twins to complete the display. Maybe I can get some sort of Diorama Pyramid to put them next to in my display room.
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 11:53am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:jtanimator wrote:
Not sure why that needed corrected when my point was still pretty clear and generally agreed upon lol. But I guess let me correct myself; “especially when we’re waiting on some *anticipated fan favorites* like...”
The joke is that RoTF Skids and Mudflap are generally hated by the fandom. You should be ashamed to like such vile characters.
That said, gimme A voyager icecream twins two pack and the regular deluxes of them already!
I still stand by them being fan-favorites for many people out there. Based on my experience in the fandom there's actually a lot of people who like those characters and are very nostalgic for them, and most certainly want SS representations of them, but they just don't usually speak out in fear of being insulted or labeled as "vile" or "racist" lol.
As for as Sidways is concerned, I never cared for his design much, but I know I've seen a lot of posts asking for him. Maybe I'm just scarred from how floppy and fiddly his ROTF figure was lol. 9 year old me couldn't handle it
Anyways, With a SS Devestator, I totally need an accompanying 2 pack of those twins to complete the display. Maybe I can get some sort of Diorama Pyramid to put them next to in my display room.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105036)
Posted by Spider5800 on May 20th, 2021 @ 11:56am CDT
And this is why I'm not particularly excited for the SS version. It's a re-mold of Dino, another character they couldn't get the rights to the car mode of. I'm not expecting Sideways to be any different. Which is too bad, because he's in car mode more than bot mode in the movie. It's the only notable thing about him
Posted by Spider5800 on May 20th, 2021 @ 11:56am CDT
Overcracker wrote:EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
I’m actually super excited for an SS Sideways in the future. He doesn’t do much in the movie, but he’s one of the main playable characters in the ROTF video games and even makes a brief appearance in the ride at Universal.
I'd like a Sideways if they manage to get a fully licensed Audi R8 alt mode. For some reason the original movie toys were not actually licensed R8s, just close approximations.
Much like Porsche, and coincidentally owned by the same parent company, Audi has not allowed the usage of their fully licensed cars for TF toys for some reason.
And this is why I'm not particularly excited for the SS version. It's a re-mold of Dino, another character they couldn't get the rights to the car mode of. I'm not expecting Sideways to be any different. Which is too bad, because he's in car mode more than bot mode in the movie. It's the only notable thing about him
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105044)
Posted by william-james88 on May 20th, 2021 @ 2:00pm CDT
Lol none of them are. Calling them major is pretty funny especially since we Sideways' robot mode was onscreen for literally 1 second and not even fully transformed. Plus Decvon is the definition of underutilized design. And the twins are hated by the fanbase so much that they never reappeared and Hasbro has been very squirrely about ever mentioning them again. So yeah, that was a pretty funny statement.
Posted by william-james88 on May 20th, 2021 @ 2:00pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
Lol none of them are. Calling them major is pretty funny especially since we Sideways' robot mode was onscreen for literally 1 second and not even fully transformed. Plus Decvon is the definition of underutilized design. And the twins are hated by the fanbase so much that they never reappeared and Hasbro has been very squirrely about ever mentioning them again. So yeah, that was a pretty funny statement.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105052)
Posted by o.supreme on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:04pm CDT
Looks like official Product descriptions have come out for a few of the upcoming releases:
Just a couple random questions as I like to follow news about SS, but I don't actually collect them:
1. There hasn't been any SS version of Frenzy correct? I think he is the only movie 1 character not to have a toy. Should have came with Barricade, but that's just my opinion.
2. Are there any plans for a release of SS74 that has regular SS packaging, and not Buzzworthy packaging?
Studio Series SS-86-08 Deluxe Class Gnaw – Figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco, is highly articulated for posability and comes with blaster and tail mace accessories. Features translucent eyes and articulated jaw and arms.
Studio Series SS-75 Deluxe Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Jolt – Figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco, is highly articulated for posability, and comes with 2 electro whip accessories.
Studio Series SS-86-07 Leader Class Dinobot Slug – Figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco, is highly articulated for posability and comes with a blaster accessory. Includes non-converting Daniel Witwicky figure that can sit on Dinobot Slug figure in both modes
Studio Series SS-73 Leader Class Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Grindor and Ravage – Figure features vivid, movie-inspired deco, is highly articulated for posability and comes with a shoulder blade accessory that also attaches to forearms in robot mode. Includes non-converting Ravage figure.
Just a couple random questions as I like to follow news about SS, but I don't actually collect them:
1. There hasn't been any SS version of Frenzy correct? I think he is the only movie 1 character not to have a toy. Should have came with Barricade, but that's just my opinion.
2. Are there any plans for a release of SS74 that has regular SS packaging, and not Buzzworthy packaging?
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105058)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:35pm CDT
1. Nope, there hasn't been one yet.
2. We got listings for a mainline release of SS-74 (we know since they were from a Walmart computer while Buzzworthy is Target exclusive) back in the summer of last year, and the recent listings from JTPrime support this. I'd imagine we'll see it tomorrow if we see Jolt and Grindor. Thrust is in that wave as well so we could see that too.
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:35pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:
Just a couple random questions as I like to follow news about SS, but I don't actually collect them:
1. There hasn't been any SS version of Frenzy correct? I think he is the only movie 1 character not to have a toy. Should have came with Barricade, but that's just my opinion.
2. Are there any plans for a release of SS74 that has regular SS packaging, and not Buzzworthy packaging?
1. Nope, there hasn't been one yet.
2. We got listings for a mainline release of SS-74 (we know since they were from a Walmart computer while Buzzworthy is Target exclusive) back in the summer of last year, and the recent listings from JTPrime support this. I'd imagine we'll see it tomorrow if we see Jolt and Grindor. Thrust is in that wave as well so we could see that too.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105059)
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:52pm CDT
Guys, can we relax? Lol I was literally just pointing out how odd it is that an entire wave will consist of 3 repacks and a remold, and everyone’s digging into a couple freaking subjective words they disagree with. Those had nothing to do with my point, so please relax. Funny enough it’s still a valid point that only one person has responded to normally without diverting the topic so desperately off course.
Posted by jtanimator on May 20th, 2021 @ 3:52pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
Lol none of them are. Calling them major is pretty funny especially since we Sideways' robot mode was onscreen for literally 1 second and not even fully transformed. Plus Decvon is the definition of underutilized design. And the twins are hated by the fanbase so much that they never reappeared and Hasbro has been very squirrely about ever mentioning them again. So yeah, that was a pretty funny statement.
Guys, can we relax? Lol I was literally just pointing out how odd it is that an entire wave will consist of 3 repacks and a remold, and everyone’s digging into a couple freaking subjective words they disagree with. Those had nothing to do with my point, so please relax. Funny enough it’s still a valid point that only one person has responded to normally without diverting the topic so desperately off course.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105068)
Posted by william-james88 on May 20th, 2021 @ 4:49pm CDT
The final wave of Titans return was also repacks and 1 remold, it happens, relax.
Posted by william-james88 on May 20th, 2021 @ 4:49pm CDT
jtanimator wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Plus, I wouldn't call Sideways a fan-favourite or major character
Lol none of them are. Calling them major is pretty funny especially since we Sideways' robot mode was onscreen for literally 1 second and not even fully transformed. Plus Decvon is the definition of underutilized design. And the twins are hated by the fanbase so much that they never reappeared and Hasbro has been very squirrely about ever mentioning them again. So yeah, that was a pretty funny statement.
Guys, can we relax? Lol I was literally just pointing out how odd it is that an entire wave will consist of 3 repacks and a remold, and everyone’s digging into a couple freaking subjective words they disagree with. Those had nothing to do with my point, so please relax. Funny enough it’s still a valid point that only one person has responded to normally without diverting the topic so desperately off course.
The final wave of Titans return was also repacks and 1 remold, it happens, relax.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105117)
Posted by JoeIsNotCool on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:33am CDT
Posted by JoeIsNotCool on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:33am CDT
Once again Hasbro only showed G1 stuff for the Fan First Friday, starting to think they're giving up on Bayverse. Really annoying.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105118)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:34am CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:34am CDT
Well, at least I was prepared for it this time.
It's so frustrating that they said "Don't worry, Studio Series fans!" during Pulsecon only for Live action Studio Series to get completely shafted again at this event.
Also kind of annoying that they're rolling out the red carpet for The 35th of the 86 movie and we've had a single deluxe for the 10th of DOTM.
It's so frustrating that they said "Don't worry, Studio Series fans!" during Pulsecon only for Live action Studio Series to get completely shafted again at this event.
Also kind of annoying that they're rolling out the red carpet for The 35th of the 86 movie and we've had a single deluxe for the 10th of DOTM.
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Posted by LinaNui on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:34am CDT
Posted by LinaNui on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:34am CDT
So the fan first friday just wrapped up and like I was dreading, it was a waste of time. You would think that they would want to get on top of leakers by showing off the toys, but it does not seem that way. Hopefully Tonton, PvP, or someone else leak the SS figures soon, because Hasbro is doing a terrible job.
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Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:42am CDT
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:42am CDT
Thats unfortunate and not very inclusive
Hopefully the next fan first Friday focuses primarily on studio series (without 86) and some of that bumblebee stuff
Hopefully the next fan first Friday focuses primarily on studio series (without 86) and some of that bumblebee stuff
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105121)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:50am CDT
I'm not getting my hopes up. The design team appears to have a giant G1 boner that they still can't seem to satisfy no matter how many versions of the same toys they keep making and how many lines they take over.
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:50am CDT
Razorbeast88 wrote:Thats unfortunate and not very inclusive
Hopefully the next fan first Friday focuses primarily on studio series (without 86) and some of that bumblebee stuff
I'm not getting my hopes up. The design team appears to have a giant G1 boner that they still can't seem to satisfy no matter how many versions of the same toys they keep making and how many lines they take over.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105123)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:59am CDT
Unfortunately I too am hardened by geewun and its nice to see the toys getting some solid figures after 30+ years
That being said there's no reason for fans of the live action fans to have to wait as long with modern engineering
I would say with a little patience they'll hop off the g1 anniversary marketing considering there are new films in development and hopefully the next fan first Friday will be all about Jolt, Soundwave, etc
Until then ill be enjoying this while my bank account has its arteries slashed and slowly bleeds out
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:59am CDT
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Razorbeast88 wrote:Thats unfortunate and not very inclusive
Hopefully the next fan first Friday focuses primarily on studio series (without 86) and some of that bumblebee stuff
I'm not getting my hopes up. The design team appears to have a giant G1 boner that they still can't seem to satisfy no matter how many versions of the same toys they keep making and how many lines they take over.
Unfortunately I too am hardened by geewun and its nice to see the toys getting some solid figures after 30+ years
That being said there's no reason for fans of the live action fans to have to wait as long with modern engineering
I would say with a little patience they'll hop off the g1 anniversary marketing considering there are new films in development and hopefully the next fan first Friday will be all about Jolt, Soundwave, etc
Until then ill be enjoying this while my bank account has its arteries slashed and slowly bleeds out
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105124)
Posted by LinaNui on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:59am CDT
Posted by LinaNui on May 21st, 2021 @ 10:59am CDT
Wreckgar39 from TFW (notable leaker) had this to say:
"$%&* it, have some "reveals" to make this FFF worthwhile, maybe. They still screw over traditionalist SS.
Studio Series at some point, with the exception of maybe Cybertron Optimus, is getting the entire BB opening cast. Everybody else like Que, Hatchet, The Fallen etc have been pushed back probably till 2023. Dummy thicc Shockwave? Check. Sleep Paralysis Demon Arcee? Check. Ravage separate from Soundwave? You betcha, as a core class.
Yes, core class is finally coming to SS, probably around 2022 or 2023. No, there are no plans for Twins, Mohawk, Frenzy, Dispensor, etc that I am aware of. Pain. Agony. What's the point? Tiny versions of whoever the hell is new movie cast. Yep.
You might get only one first trilogy Bay figure in 2022 and that's DOTM Bee.
Swoop is still, somehow MIA, and might show up in Legacy at this point.
Deluxe TFP Arcee in Legacy, possibly in wave 1 with Stunticon Breakdown."
So sounds like we have a lot lot to look forward to... My god is hasbro really messing this up in my opinion.
"$%&* it, have some "reveals" to make this FFF worthwhile, maybe. They still screw over traditionalist SS.
Studio Series at some point, with the exception of maybe Cybertron Optimus, is getting the entire BB opening cast. Everybody else like Que, Hatchet, The Fallen etc have been pushed back probably till 2023. Dummy thicc Shockwave? Check. Sleep Paralysis Demon Arcee? Check. Ravage separate from Soundwave? You betcha, as a core class.
Yes, core class is finally coming to SS, probably around 2022 or 2023. No, there are no plans for Twins, Mohawk, Frenzy, Dispensor, etc that I am aware of. Pain. Agony. What's the point? Tiny versions of whoever the hell is new movie cast. Yep.
You might get only one first trilogy Bay figure in 2022 and that's DOTM Bee.
Swoop is still, somehow MIA, and might show up in Legacy at this point.
Deluxe TFP Arcee in Legacy, possibly in wave 1 with Stunticon Breakdown."
So sounds like we have a lot lot to look forward to... My god is hasbro really messing this up in my opinion.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105126)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:10am CDT
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:10am CDT
I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right. Everybody knows his name is SLAG.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right. Everybody knows his name is SLAG.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105127)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:13am CDT
Blame the desire not to offend anyone in the world. It's not trademarks this time around
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:13am CDT
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right.
Blame the desire not to offend anyone in the world. It's not trademarks this time around
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105128)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:18am CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:18am CDT
Well, a DOTM Bumblebee in the future is really exciting if that pans out, that’s my favorite version!
The rest is pretty depressing though. We were so close to having a complete first trilogy cast.
The rest is pretty depressing though. We were so close to having a complete first trilogy cast.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105131)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:26am CDT
I drove by a local church the other day & the sign out front said "These days everybody is offended by everything but sin". Boy ain't that the truth? This outrage culture being offended by everything is ridiculous. Let them be offended, it's only words, it can't hurt them, they'll be fine & they'll get over it.
Anyway, with that said, I love everything they showed today except for Gnaw's head showing in the shark's mouth. I'll probably pop his head off every time & transform him into shark mode. Just put it aside with his gun.
I think the best thing they showed was POTP Wreck-Gar riding the new one.
I really hope we'll all have enough time to pre-order SG Starscream, you know how it is with Seekers. Everybody has to hog them up, even if they're not really into Seekers. I'm obsessed with Seekers because Starscream, Skywarp & Thundercracker were the very first Transformers I ever saw in stores. I have a strong connection to them.
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:26am CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right.
Blame the desire not to offend anyone in the world. It's not trademarks this time around
I drove by a local church the other day & the sign out front said "These days everybody is offended by everything but sin". Boy ain't that the truth? This outrage culture being offended by everything is ridiculous. Let them be offended, it's only words, it can't hurt them, they'll be fine & they'll get over it.
Anyway, with that said, I love everything they showed today except for Gnaw's head showing in the shark's mouth. I'll probably pop his head off every time & transform him into shark mode. Just put it aside with his gun.
I think the best thing they showed was POTP Wreck-Gar riding the new one.
I really hope we'll all have enough time to pre-order SG Starscream, you know how it is with Seekers. Everybody has to hog them up, even if they're not really into Seekers. I'm obsessed with Seekers because Starscream, Skywarp & Thundercracker were the very first Transformers I ever saw in stores. I have a strong connection to them.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105132)
Posted by blackeyedprime on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:33am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:33am CDT
Wreckgars bike mode looks a bit of a mess but thats probably not a bad thing.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105136)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:40am CDT
Definitely bothers me when people call him anything other than slag
I also wasn't a fan of him saying "one more and we have the original trio"...."excuse me" I want all 5
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:40am CDT
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right. Everybody knows his name is SLAG.
Definitely bothers me when people call him anything other than slag
I also wasn't a fan of him saying "one more and we have the original trio"...."excuse me" I want all 5
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105137)
Posted by JoeIsNotCool on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:43am CDT
I pray this isn't true
Posted by JoeIsNotCool on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:43am CDT
LinaNui wrote:Wreckgar39 from TFW (notable leaker) had this to say:
"$%&* it, have some "reveals" to make this FFF worthwhile, maybe. They still screw over traditionalist SS.
Studio Series at some point, with the exception of maybe Cybertron Optimus, is getting the entire BB opening cast. Everybody else like Que, Hatchet, The Fallen etc have been pushed back probably till 2023. Dummy thicc Shockwave? Check. Sleep Paralysis Demon Arcee? Check. Ravage separate from Soundwave? You betcha, as a core class.
Yes, core class is finally coming to SS, probably around 2022 or 2023. No, there are no plans for Twins, Mohawk, Frenzy, Dispensor, etc that I am aware of. Pain. Agony. What's the point? Tiny versions of whoever the hell is new movie cast. Yep.
You might get only one first trilogy Bay figure in 2022 and that's DOTM Bee.
Swoop is still, somehow MIA, and might show up in Legacy at this point.
Deluxe TFP Arcee in Legacy, possibly in wave 1 with Stunticon Breakdown."
So sounds like we have a lot lot to look forward to... My god is hasbro really messing this up in my opinion.
I pray this isn't true
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105141)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:51am CDT
Damn! I didn't even notice that.
The bastards have always separated Swoop & Snarl for some reason. I never understood why but it has always pissed me off because Snarl is my favorite. I don't know why Snarl & Swoop are always brushed off like "Here are the Dinobots, Grimlock, Sludge & Slag......oh, and those other 2 guys that don't really matter.
Imagine if they did that with a combiner team. Wait, never mind, they pretty much did do that with Slingshot, Groove & Wildrider.
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 11:51am CDT
Razorbeast88 wrote:Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right. Everybody knows his name is SLAG.
Definitely bothers me when people call him anything other than slag
I also wasn't a fan of him saying "one more and we have the original trio"...."excuse me" I want all 5
Damn! I didn't even notice that.
The bastards have always separated Swoop & Snarl for some reason. I never understood why but it has always pissed me off because Snarl is my favorite. I don't know why Snarl & Swoop are always brushed off like "Here are the Dinobots, Grimlock, Sludge & Slag......oh, and those other 2 guys that don't really matter.
Imagine if they did that with a combiner team. Wait, never mind, they pretty much did do that with Slingshot, Groove & Wildrider.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105146)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:00pm CDT
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:00pm CDT
Well if they go off of TF:A the trio could include Swoop instead of Sludge but either way poor Snarl would be neglected 
hopefully he just misspoke
hopefully he just misspoke
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105147)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:00pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:00pm CDT
It's a slur. It'd be like if they made a new fembot character named "Whore", or a new black repaint named the N-word.Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right.
Blame the desire not to offend anyone in the world. It's not trademarks this time around
I drove by a local church the other day & the sign out front said "These days everybody is offended by everything but sin". Boy ain't that the truth? This outrage culture being offended by everything is ridiculous. Let them be offended, it's only words, it can't hurt them, they'll be fine & they'll get over it.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105150)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:03pm CDT
Oh wow I just Googled it I had no idea! It's unfortunate that the characters original name is what it is. In my head I can recall transformers using the term similarly to "well thats just prime" as an "aw crap" kind of thing
Name change is completely understandable considering he's technically meant for kids. Slug it is
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:03pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It's a slur. It'd be like if they made a new fembot character named "Whore", or a new black repaint named the N-word.Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right.
Blame the desire not to offend anyone in the world. It's not trademarks this time around
I drove by a local church the other day & the sign out front said "These days everybody is offended by everything but sin". Boy ain't that the truth? This outrage culture being offended by everything is ridiculous. Let them be offended, it's only words, it can't hurt them, they'll be fine & they'll get over it.
Oh wow I just Googled it I had no idea! It's unfortunate that the characters original name is what it is. In my head I can recall transformers using the term similarly to "well thats just prime" as an "aw crap" kind of thing
Name change is completely understandable considering he's technically meant for kids. Slug it is
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105151)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:04pm CDT
Exactly, plus its only a name change, one thats only on the box so what does it really matter if they change it? It's their product, they could change its name Mr Triceratops Mc Triceratops face for all I care. Its not a good look to complain about people getting offended by a word while getting offended that a company changed its own product name to another word.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:04pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It's a slur. It'd be like if they made a new fembot character named "Whore", or a new black repaint named the N-word.Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I can't believe they're still calling him "SLUG". Remember when they changed Trailbreaker to Trailcutter, then back to Trailbreaker? I was hoping Slug was only in the Bayverse. But the SS86 box says Slug.
And even worse, I'm seeing a lot of fans calling him Slug. That's just not right.
Blame the desire not to offend anyone in the world. It's not trademarks this time around
I drove by a local church the other day & the sign out front said "These days everybody is offended by everything but sin". Boy ain't that the truth? This outrage culture being offended by everything is ridiculous. Let them be offended, it's only words, it can't hurt them, they'll be fine & they'll get over it.
Exactly, plus its only a name change, one thats only on the box so what does it really matter if they change it? It's their product, they could change its name Mr Triceratops Mc Triceratops face for all I care. Its not a good look to complain about people getting offended by a word while getting offended that a company changed its own product name to another word.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105153)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:06pm CDT
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:06pm CDT
Without starting a debate I definitely wouldn't equate that slur to the n-word. The latter is far worse, but I appreciate you speaking up. I never would've known otherwise what the name change was for
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105159)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:21pm CDT
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:21pm CDT
A SLUR? Where??? Certainly not in America. I Googled Slag & got "stony waste matter separated from metals during the smelting or refining of ore."
THAT is what his name is referring to. Because he breathes fire & melts metal. I didn't even see the slur. I don't know what the slur is & I don't even want to know.
Ya know?
....this world...
..just...
..Dear God! How do I get out of this insanity???
THAT is what his name is referring to. Because he breathes fire & melts metal. I didn't even see the slur. I don't know what the slur is & I don't even want to know.
Ya know?
....this world...
..just...
..Dear God! How do I get out of this insanity???
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105160)
Posted by alekese on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:26pm CDT
Posted by alekese on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:26pm CDT
British english slang, roughly equivalent to 'piece of $#!*/douchebag' for guys and 'b!*^#/slut/whore' for women.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105162)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:27pm CDT
Pretty much this.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:27pm CDT
alekese wrote:British english slang, roughly equivalent to 'piece of $#!*/douchebag' for guys and 'b!*^#/slut/whore' for women.
Pretty much this.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105170)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:40pm CDT
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:40pm CDT
That's just great! The slur wins out over the actual meaning.
You know what? Slag is a triceratops, not a slug. I'm offended for all the poor triceratops out there & demand his name be changed again. HOW DARE YOU call a triceratops a slimy slug? What's that? Slug as in a bullet slug? No! No! We're going with the other meaning.
See how stupid that was?
You know what? Slag is a triceratops, not a slug. I'm offended for all the poor triceratops out there & demand his name be changed again. HOW DARE YOU call a triceratops a slimy slug? What's that? Slug as in a bullet slug? No! No! We're going with the other meaning.
See how stupid that was?
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105171)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:43pm CDT
Posted by Razorbeast88 on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:43pm CDT
I think im perfectly fine with a bullet Slug
And I have no problems calling the character by the original name in my head
But for children's sake, the name change needed to be done. It's not really fair to only give importance to murican language
And I have no problems calling the character by the original name in my head
But for children's sake, the name change needed to be done. It's not really fair to only give importance to murican language
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105173)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:46pm CDT
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 12:46pm CDT
Back on topic, they raised the prices. And they didn't even reveal SG Jetfire yet. That's the one I want the most.
I pre-ordered 2 Starscreams, 2 Sharkticons, 1 Wreck-Gar & 1 SlAg.
And most of them are hitting in October. I need to start saving now. I don't buy everything, I try to cherry-pick but I'm still buying a ton of stuff this year. I skipped half of Kingdom & thought I would be saving a ton of money in 2021.
And in the end I'm gonna want at least 4 Sharkticons.
I pre-ordered 2 Starscreams, 2 Sharkticons, 1 Wreck-Gar & 1 SlAg.
And most of them are hitting in October. I need to start saving now. I don't buy everything, I try to cherry-pick but I'm still buying a ton of stuff this year. I skipped half of Kingdom & thought I would be saving a ton of money in 2021.
And in the end I'm gonna want at least 4 Sharkticons.
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105179)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2021 @ 1:05pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 21st, 2021 @ 1:05pm CDT
Razorbeast88 wrote:I think im perfectly fine with a bullet Slug
And I have no problems calling the character by the original name in my head
But for children's sake, the name change needed to be done. It's not really fair to only give importance to murican language
Re: Breakdown Remaining Studio Series Releases in 2021 Including SS86 Repacks (2105181)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 1:21pm CDT
How much you wanna bet "slug" is slang/slur in some other country?
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on May 21st, 2021 @ 1:21pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Razorbeast88 wrote:I think im perfectly fine with a bullet Slug
And I have no problems calling the character by the original name in my head
But for children's sake, the name change needed to be done. It's not really fair to only give importance to murican language
How much you wanna bet "slug" is slang/slur in some other country?
