BotCon 2013 Coverage: Transformers Generations on Display

Man, Hasbro needs to print out instructions for whoever transforms those figures and puts them in their displays.

I'm not liking how Skids' shoulders don't appear to have an outward joint on his arms.

So Doubledealer will be advertised as a Decepticon. Wonder how they'll explain the blatant Autobot badge on the tank mode.

So it looks like the projected release for the Legends is October of this year, and the rest of 'em in January 2014.

I'm really excited for all the Generations toys revealed today!

I'm loving that Cosmos. I agree, who the hell transformed these toys? I never saw them until today and I can already tell some are mistransformed.

Usual mistransformations for everyone.

Looks like Rhinox is wearing quite the backpack. Oh well. Suppose it has to go somewhere and better it be on his back than have massive pieces of rhino hide hanging off his waist.

And WASPINATOR! He looks incredible. I can't properly express with words how much I want him.

Trikeboy wrote:I never saw them until today and I can already tell some are mistransformed.

Ones I immediately caught were Waspinator's freakishly thin abdomen in robot mode, Dreadwing's droopy shoulders, Goldfire's awkward shoulder placements, Skids (nothing to even say there), Doubledealer's "I need to go potty" legs and partially untransformed tank. Looks like the only ones they got right was Rhinox and the Legends figures.

Mindmaster wrote:So Doubledealer will be advertised as a Decepticon. Wonder how they'll explain the blatant Autobot badge on the tank mode.

In G1 he was officially put in the Decepticon faction as well, but in fiction he's a mercenary who picks no side. Kinda weird btw as G1 Doubledealer has two "Robot Modes", a regular one for Autobot and a beast mode for Decepticon. How will they do that for this DD?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:So Doubledealer will be advertised as a Decepticon. Wonder how they'll explain the blatant Autobot badge on the tank mode.

In G1 he was officially put in the Decepticon faction as well, but in fiction he's a mercenary who picks no side. Kinda weird btw as G1 Doubledealer has two "Robot Modes", a regular one for Autobot and a beast mode for Decepticon. How will they do that for this DD?

Probably what's going to go down is that when he's posing as an Autobot, he uses the tank exclusively, but when he poses as a Decepticon, he uses the jet exclusively. Seems to make sense.

Mindmaster wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:So Doubledealer will be advertised as a Decepticon. Wonder how they'll explain the blatant Autobot badge on the tank mode.

In G1 he was officially put in the Decepticon faction as well, but in fiction he's a mercenary who picks no side. Kinda weird btw as G1 Doubledealer has two "Robot Modes", a regular one for Autobot and a beast mode for Decepticon. How will they do that for this DD?

Probably what's going to go down is that when he's posing as an Autobot, he uses the tank exclusively, but when he poses as a Decepticon, he uses the jet exclusively. Seems to make sense.

Some use of Blitzwing's face-changing gimmick may come into play. The Autobot face is what you see here, and the Decepticon face is the Autobot face with a Snively 'stache.

The third face is a kicked puppy because Hot Rod hurt his feelings.

datguy86 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:So Doubledealer will be advertised as a Decepticon. Wonder how they'll explain the blatant Autobot badge on the tank mode.

In G1 he was officially put in the Decepticon faction as well, but in fiction he's a mercenary who picks no side. Kinda weird btw as G1 Doubledealer has two "Robot Modes", a regular one for Autobot and a beast mode for Decepticon. How will they do that for this DD?

Probably what's going to go down is that when he's posing as an Autobot, he uses the tank exclusively, but when he poses as a Decepticon, he uses the jet exclusively. Seems to make sense.

Some use of Blitzwing's face-changing gimmick may come into play. The Autobot face is what you see here, and the Decepticon face is the Autobot face with a Snively 'stache.

The third face is a kicked puppy because Hot Rod hurt his feelings.

But in all seriousness, the head doesn't appear to support a face-changing gimmick. Fine with me: I don't like it at all anyway.

I saw Thundercracker in the background there. I was hoping they would do the slight re-mold and make his tail into a Y configuration rather than the triangle of Starscream and Skywarp. It'd be cool to be WfC Game Accurate.

Wonder if that Cosmos is the un-produced titanium version? Old schoolers take a look.

I like the execution on DDealer. Couple wishes. Give his wings feather looking (and totally unrealistic) paint to add to the homage and make a big cannon projectile that looks like DDs cannon of old.

Love the idea from above that he would keep the face changing gimmick go Blitzwing. Too bad it probably isn't happening.

The mistransformations are BAD. And yet I think it's an inside joke now, possibly.

I'm very much liking that the Generations line is continuing to offer up IDW designs. Skids looks great, very close to Milne's design from the comics. I also like how BW is getting some attention. Rhinox looks good, though I hope the kibble in beast mode is due to mistransformation. Waspinator looks neat-o as well.

The reveals at Botcon have so far been, at least for me, extremely underwhelming. A lot of these "new" toys are just redecos of what's already been released and not very inspired ones at that. Normally, that wouldn't bother me so much but as this is the 30th anniversary of Transformers that's coming up I kind of expected a little more of an effort in the originality department. Now, to be fair, I've just recently come back to collecting these figures in 2012 after a long hiatus (talking G1 days), so maybe this is how things work but still it seems like a weak effort on Hasbro's part. I mean how many more redecos of the Scourge mold are they going to make?????

Wow......=O just wow I want them all now!!!! Skids is so beautiful

guess I can skip that Legends Starscream now, awesome deluxe Waspinator it is!

Skids is pretty cool too. Don't mess with him, he's a theoretician, man!

I'd really have preferred them give that repaint to Beast Hunters Predaking, so we could have had a Goldar lookalike be a bit more accurate, without the faceplate, he's not Goldbug to me, although I suspect it will at least be comic accurate, given events in the last issue.

Doubledealer is no Flywheels, but he'll do probably. If I hear that they've fixed the issues with the Blizwing mold (same as they did with Sandstorm locking together in alt mode much better than Springer).

Cosmos and Swerve will be getting bought. I hope they repaint Swerve's wee buddy to be the Groundshaker plane as well. He's perfect for that.

Awesome galleries! I think Skids and Rhinox are the best looking figures out of these sets, and glad that Cosmos and Swerve are also getting a place.

Doubledealer was a surprise, but from these pictures it looks like the mold still suffers the problems with Blitzwing: nose-cone doesn't fit in properly in jet mode and shoulder doesn't pop in all the way in robot-mode. Is it too late to tell Hasbro about these issues, or do they even care?

Skids' legs looks sufficiently derfy. I am pleased. Who do you think he gets his inevitable repaint as? I'm betting a green or orange nod to the twins from RotF due to the name tie-in, but there's a lot of carform guys out there yet to get a character.

Brakethrough wrote:Skids' legs looks sufficiently derfy. I am pleased. Who do you think he gets his inevitable repaint as? I'm betting a green or orange nod to the twins from RotF due to the name tie-in, but there's a lot of carform guys out there yet to get a character.

I think he'd make a nice Crankcase.

Getting them all except DoubleDealer and Goldbug

Cosmos, Swerve and Skids are insta-buys for me. Not happy that Skids isn't a bit closer to his G1 incarnation. That could have at least made him some stylized Cybertronian SUV like (Universal Studios Exclusive) Deluxe Evac but this isn't going to stop me from snagging him. DoubleDealer I'll have to think about. Just doesn't seem like DD without that huge freaking missile. That supposed Goldbug tribute can take a long drive off a short pier. Not only am I not impressed but the Geewunner in me finds it a bit insulting. The others in the line up are passes for me. Don't care about the BW figures, I already have 4 versions of Rhinox and still have my original Waspinator and don't want more of either. As for Dreadwing, I actually feel the same way about this version as I do about Goldfire. Kind of an insult to the original. They could have done better. Yeah, I know, totally irrational way to look at some of these figures but when you spend this long collecting these figures you tend to develop your own set of quirks, likes and dislikes and your own logic behind feeling the way you do about them. 29 years is a long time to get acquainted with certain characters.

Whoa.

WHOA.

Those look flipping awesome. Like, I love that Swerve, and I can't wait to see more of Cosmos. Not to mention Waspinator! Waspy's been getting quite a bit of attention recently, eh?

Also, Doubledealer. He was backstabbing people since before Sideways! It's great to see that the has finally gained a bit of attention.

Holy crap. Cosmos. Holy crap. Completely unexpected. And awesome.

Cosmos, Swerve, Skids, and Tailgate. I am psyched.

I was browsing the display galleries, and I happened to notice something about Payload: his torso appears to transform into a handle.



Yet nothing has been said that he, Flanker, Groundpounder, and Reflector transform into weapons (at least, not that I'm aware of).

Mindmaster wrote:I was browsing the display galleries, and I happened to notice something about Payload: his torso appears to transform into a handle.



Yet nothing has been said that he, Flanker, Groundpounder, and Reflector transform into weapons (at least, not that I'm aware of).

I think these are more of the Legion types of Optimus/Roller, Bumblebee/Chopper-I-cannot-remember-the-name-of, Megatron/Venom-or-Chop-Shop?, and Starscream/Waspinator. So, possibly a weapon look, or maybe just mountable on the figures like Cosmos.

Agamemnon wrote:I think these are more of the Legion types of Optimus/Roller, Bumblebee/Chopper-I-cannot-remember-the-name-of, Megatron/Venom-or-Chop-Shop?, and Starscream/Waspinator. So, possibly a weapon look, or maybe just mountable on the figures like Cosmos.

Blazemaster. You're thinking of Blazemaster. Also, it's Chop Shop that comes with Megatron.

That's what I was getting at: Micromaster homages that transform into weapons for these larger figures.

There doesn't seem to be any ports that they can plug into on their larger partners' vehicle modes.

I'm pretty disappointed with Doubledealer. I was hoping he'd show up in the Generations line, but not as a repaint. Everything else looks awesome though.

Ok...

Overall, most look pretty good. Like most people, I can do without all the repaints, BUT we all know Hasbro has to get the most bang for their buck... I will admit, unlike many of my G1 contemporaries, that too often we forget how many repaints were thrown around back in the day ...Hell 90% of what's now called G2 were straight up repaints of G1 lol

Anyways, here is my ONE complaint...Why the "F" do we get a Swerve instead of Gears?!? I can only hope that Gears comes up as a repaint, but we're celebrating 30 years, lets honor the first ones to pop up!!

T-Macksimus wrote:Not happy that Skids isn't a bit closer to his G1 incarnation. That could have at least made him some stylized Cybertronian SUV like (Universal Studios Exclusive) Deluxe Evac but this isn't going to stop me from snagging him.

You know....technically, this Skids is a LOT closer to his original G1 toy incarnation. His toy altmode is a Honda City Turbo, which is a subcompact hatchback, similar in size to a Honda Fit, Ford Fiesta, etc. I've read that he was portrayed with a minivan-ish altmode in the G1 comics because more people would recognize a minivan (which were brand new then) than a subcompact hatch, which even now are far more popular in Japan. In real life, Skids' altmode is about the same size as Bumblebee's. But we all know how great G1 was with scale

But I get what you mean. I grew up reading the comics, and even now, I go a little geewun on things that are supposed homages or updated versions of characters I grew up with. Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's robot mode for his new deluxe being a good example. It has the right colors, but not in the right proportions, and he should have a red visor instead of blue goggles. But I'll probably buy him anyway.

I'm getting that Rinox and Waspinator, the rest is nice but uninteresting for me. More Beast Wars please.

I'm getting that Swerve, and I'm going to give him DOTM Optimus' Mechtech weapon to be the Shoomer...

Looking at the gallery of these toys that was posted in another thread my response upon seeing Skids was Then I noticed Waspinator and Then I saw Rhinox and accidentally hit myself in the head

Those three are instant buys for me, not that interested in the others.

Was expecting flywheels but...Doubledealer...

HAPPY DANCE

Anyways these new generations look awesome.

zatara1701 wrote:Ok...

Overall, most look pretty good. Like most people, I can do without all the repaints, BUT we all know Hasbro has to get the most bang for their buck... I will admit, unlike many of my G1 contemporaries, that too often we forget how many repaints were thrown around back in the day ...Hell 90% of what's now called G2 were straight up repaints of G1 lol

Anyways, here is my ONE complaint...Why the "F" do we get a Swerve instead of Gears?!? I can only hope that Gears comes up as a repaint, but we're celebrating 30 years, lets honor the first ones to pop up!!

I am guessing Swerve was done b/c he has a lot of facetime in the IDW comics. I am sure Gears will be a repaint.

Personally, I like this Swerve 10 time better than iGear's version.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm pretty disappointed with Doubledealer. I was hoping he'd show up in the Generations line, but not as a repaint. Everything else looks awesome though.

I feeling the same way about Doubledealer.

Stormrider wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm pretty disappointed with Doubledealer. I was hoping he'd show up in the Generations line, but not as a repaint. Everything else looks awesome though.

I feeling the same way about Doubledealer.

Unless Doubledealer gets the same level of retooling as Sandstorm I'll be passing as well. They did something great with Sandstorm then dropped this half arsed thing on us shortly afterwards, typical Hasbro

I'd probably have passed on Gears if he was first out. If Swerve is good, and he looks like he will be, I'll possibly get the Gears repaint/retool (new head please?)

Arctorro wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm pretty disappointed with Doubledealer. I was hoping he'd show up in the Generations line, but not as a repaint. Everything else looks awesome though.

I feeling the same way about Doubledealer.

Unless Doubledealer gets the same level of retooling as Sandstorm I'll be passing as well. They did something great with Sandstorm then dropped this half arsed thing on us shortly afterwards, typical Hasbro

They should've kept the face swapping gimmick. He could've switched between a robot face and a bird face depending on which side he was working for.

tigertracks 24 wrote:Wonder if that Cosmos is the unproduced titanium version? Old schoolers take a look.

I like the execution on DDealer. Couple wishes. Give his wings feather looking (and totally unrealistic) paint to add to the homage and make a big cannon projectile that looks like DDs cannon of old.

Love the idea from above that he would keep the face changing gimmick go Blitzwing. Too bad it probably isn't happening.

The mistransformations are BAD. And yet I think it's an inside joke now, possibly.

I can understand why they wouldn't make Double Dealers' flight mode more raptor-like, more bird-of-prey-like, as it was in G1, because they already have the mold like this and they aren't going to change it. However, I agree, giving the wings a feathery appearance and instead of a shark face on the nose, go with a bird-of-prey's hooked beak. Of course, this just opens the door for www.Reprolabels.com to step in and give us the bird labels it will surely need.

skidflap wrote:Was expecting flywheels but...Doubledealer...

HAPPY DANCE

Anyways these new generations look awesome.

I'm still holding out for a repaint of this mold into Flywheels. If not, I can always buy Blitzwing and repaint him myself.

craggy wrote:guess I can skip that Legends Starscream now, awesome deluxe Waspinator it is!

Skids is pretty cool too. Don't mess with him, he's a theoretician, man!

I'd really have preferred them give that repaint to Beast Hunters Predaking, so we could have had a Goldar lookalike be a bit more accurate, without the faceplate, he's not Goldbug to me, although I suspect it will at least be comic accurate, given events in the last issue.

Doubledealer is no Flywheels, but he'll do probably. If I hear that they've fixed the issues with the Blizwing mold (same as they did with Sandstorm locking together in alt mode much better than Springer).

Cosmos and Swerve will be getting bought. I hope they repaint Swerve's wee buddy to be the Groundshaker plane as well. He's perfect for that.

I'm liking Double Dealer, but I was hoping for Flywheels as well. And like you, I'm curious if the shoulder locking/not locking issue has been corrected on Double Dealer. That's a question that should've been asked on the toy panel.

necr0blivion wrote:Awesome galleries! I think Skids and Rhinox are the best looking figures out of these sets, and glad that Cosmos and Swerve are also getting a place.

Doubledealer was a surprise, but from these pictures it looks like the mold still suffers the problems with Blitzwing: nose-cone doesn't fit in properly in jet mode and shoulder doesn't pop in all the way in robot-mode. Is it too late to tell Hasbro about these issues, or do they even care?

When has Hasbro ever listened to us commoners on such issues? But surely by now they are aware of the shoulders-not-locking-into-place issue and have addressed it before they release Double Dealer.

I am not digging this mold for Double Dealer and the coloring is off. I think a missle launching vehicle fits him better than a tank and a plane.

RiddlerJ wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm pretty disappointed with Doubledealer. I was hoping he'd show up in the Generations line, but not as a repaint. Everything else looks awesome though.

I feeling the same way about Doubledealer.

Unless Doubledealer gets the same level of retooling as Sandstorm I'll be passing as well. They did something great with Sandstorm then dropped this half arsed thing on us shortly afterwards, typical Hasbro

They should've kept the face swapping gimmick. He could've switched between a robot face and a bird face depending on which side he was working for.

Doubledealer is the one that really needs that gimmick, shame

Arctorro wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm pretty disappointed with Doubledealer. I was hoping he'd show up in the Generations line, but not as a repaint. Everything else looks awesome though.

I feeling the same way about Doubledealer.

Unless Doubledealer gets the same level of retooling as Sandstorm I'll be passing as well. They did something great with Sandstorm then dropped this half arsed thing on us shortly afterwards, typical Hasbro

They should've kept the face swapping gimmick. He could've switched between a robot face and a bird face depending on which side he was working for.

Doubledealer is the one that really needs that gimmick, shame

And maybe Punch/Counterpunch. Or Sideways.

THis is kinda the wrong forum, but why is Takara Hoist up for preorder, but Hasbro Hoist isn't up yet?

I love the Beast Wars molds. Rhinox ans Waspinator look awesome.

I never thought I would ever feel like buying any BW related figures (well, except Lio Convoy if there was a REALLY good one for him, as I love his design), but I'm really digging both Waspinator and Rhinox.

Skids looks great, comic-accurate enough, I just hope it's not so tiny and "full of hollow" as recent Generations/FoC releases. I didn't buy a single official figure this year because of that

Doubledealer looks nice, just... not Doubledealer.

Really think they should have made Blitzwing into Flywheels instead of Doubledealer.

Sabrblade wrote:Really think they should have made Blitzwing into Flywheels instead of Doubledealer.

I thought the same. But Doubledealer does look appetizing...

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Really think they should have made Blitzwing into Flywheels instead of Doubledealer.

I thought the same. But Doubledealer does look appetizing...

And G1 Doubledealer happens to be be one of my favourite toys.

synapse wrote:I never thought I would ever feel like buying any BW related figures (well, except Lio Convoy if there was a REALLY good one for him, as I love his design), but I'm really digging both Waspinator and Rhinox.

Skids looks great, comic-accurate enough, I just hope it's not so tiny and "full of hollow" as recent Generations/FoC releases. I didn't buy a single official figure this year because of that

Doubledealer looks nice, just... not Doubledealer.

Am I the only one that thinks that Doubledealer would have made a better repaint as Overlord, just paint the jet black?