Better Look at Takara Transformers New Cartoon Accurate Masterpiece Optimus Prime 3.0

I need more angles. Window pecs look a little too small for the torso as is...

However that head sculpt looks truly inspiring

Looks good, but I'm still not seeing anything that makes me want to upgrade from MP-10.

I prefer the proportions of MP-10 and even MP-01 if I'm honest.

So far so good. I want to see color images. He needs to some with Spike and Sparkplug....

You know, for a guy who doesn't go for toon accuracy, I do think he looks good.
I'm glad for those who are after the ultimate screen accurate version that this is coming, but am relieved that old 10 fits what I think is the ultimate Prime figure.

I wonder if to achieve his faux chest, he will have to be an intense panel former? Looking at truck mode would suggest, yes.

Won't buy it I don't think. Happy with 2.0. Saying that, the head sculpt is glorious!

Got that backpack going on there... :\

I wonder if his chest windows are formed by, somehow, flipping the truck windows around? That would allow for different robot/vehicle detail without actually using "fake parts" as such, and I'd be interested to see how that would work. It doesn't look like that's the case, but at the moment all bets are basically off with regard to this guy's actual transformation!

So happy i sold my loose MP-10 last year and hadn't replaced it yet.
I could use some fresh Optimus, and this one looks good.

um.... YES PLEASE!!!

10 years later we're gonna get an MP Prime 4.0 which is just a cutout of the cartoon model with a picture of the truck on the other side, and it costs £500.

shajaki wrote:I need more angles. Window pecs look a little too small for the torso as is...

However that head sculpt looks truly inspiring

It's a good looking Optimus Prime that definitely says "cartoon" version. However, something is off with him and I can't pinpoint exactly what it is. Something about the arm length (which is ironic because I always thought MP-10's arms were too long) or the really bad looking jigsaw of the truck mode. It looks extremely complicated for a figure that literally should be a more complex variant of fold legs down, pull arms out, flip up the head.

I've been saying this for the past few years as well ... I'm not a fan of the simplistic cartoon look with dull panels, but it seems that this is the new way with Masterpieces which is a bummer to me. I like cartoon styling (especially with heads), but I like the G1 toy or "real world" details as well.

Black Hat wrote:10 years later we're gonna get an MP Prime 4.0 which is just a cutout of the cartoon model with a picture of the truck on the other side, and it costs £500.

Even the chest windows seems to be a fake part on this one, these are not the same as the truck.

It's as ridiculous as Cheetor and Dinobot MP.

shajaki wrote:I need more angles. Window pecs look a little too small for the torso as is...

However that head sculpt looks truly inspiring

I don't know, the windows look right to me. If they were bigger he'd transform into a bus?

Cobotron wrote:You know, for a guy who doesn't go for toon accuracy, I do think he looks good.
I'm glad for those who are after the ultimate screen accurate version that this is coming, but am relieved that old 10 fits what I think is the ultimate Prime figure.

MP-10 is still awesome, it's the toy that ignited the current incarnation of the line, and I'm keeping him. But I have a feeling that this new edition will be my new favourite.

Cobotron wrote:I wonder if to achieve his faux chest, he will have to be an intense panel former? Looking at truck mode would suggest, yes.

Yeah, I get "Evasion Mode" vibe from this.



I hope everything folds neatly. No crookedness and misalignments.

After looking at a variety of images of Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon, I wonder why they decided to do the angled grill on his abdomen. While I found a few images from the cartoon where it looked like that, it seems the vast majority (including the cartoon model) have the flat grill.


















Even the extremely awesome Studio Ox model had the flat grill.

I will be waiting for time for someone rotate bicep and break part of smokestack from hanging down to low in bot mode like how they completely hide his back wheels in bot mode of figure but figure itself is not enough for me but second time around first figure release of figure is better looking of figure

Maybe the grill can be moved so it can be both flat and angled depending on preference? The trailer looks like it's got something going on, but is it the same as the trailer released before?

Yeah, probably not going to be able to pretend I'm not buying this.

Optimus has been working on his "proportionizing," I see.

This looks good, but then again, I have had no problem with how MP-10 looks at all as a "Masterpiece" version of Optimus Prime. I'm sure, though, that I'll be unable to resist buying this once we get some pictures of colored samples. If they paint the eyes light blue and forego the dark blue plastic "light piping" from the MP-10 Takara version, I'll be sold, most likely.

Seibertron wrote:After looking at a variety of images of Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon, I wonder why they decided to do the angled grill on his abdomen. While I found a few images from the cartoon where it looked like that, it seems the vast majority (including the cartoon model) have the flat grill.


















Even the extremely awesome Studio Ox model had the flat grill.

Are we really going to be that picky about something?

Randomhero wrote:

Seibertron wrote:After looking at a variety of images of Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon, I wonder why they decided to do the angled grill on his abdomen. While I found a few images from the cartoon where it looked like that, it seems the vast majority (including the cartoon model) have the flat grill.

Even the extremely awesome Studio Ox model had the flat grill.

Are we really going to be that picky about something?

Hey, if they're promising a cartoon accurate bot, might as well point out the flaws to make our wallets less likely to empty

And on that note, I believe the angled grill is a carryover from MP-10... it seems like the base skeleton is there but with more intricate folding of parts, and that was one part they decided to keep the original engineering on.

Don't worry, the model sheet has angled grill abs.



Wonder if the white parts will be done in chrome or pearly white.








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Knowing our luck probably flat white, with chrome reserved for the toy redeco.

I still really like the MP10 mold. I don't have a MP G1 Prime (I have the awesome SG one), but I'm not if they could improve that mold in any significant way.

That said, this guy is going for something completely different, but I still think it doesn't look as good.

I'm still hyped! My only question is what the blurb for the trailer says in the scan. It appears to be entirely new comparing it to the MP-10 trailer, there are new hinges on the front not found on the original. I don't recall it ever opening in the cartoon so I can't imagine what those hinges are for.

Maybe he'll come with this?



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Torso looks a bit squished for me.

Wonder how much itl be... rarely win the "but you have one of those characters already" discussions with the wife anyway.

From what I can see he looks pretty good. I like how streamlined the truck bed seems to be, that's not common with Primes. He'll probably be pretty pricey but I'll try and get him, you can never have too many Optimus Primes.

This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

I'm with you on that WJ88. The weird thing is, Prime has one of the most straightforward, non-convoluted transformations out of the G1 cast, and it barely needs any embellishment to make a very good, very accurate figure- MP-10's biggest departure was a few twists at the waist and a fake grill to accomodate the shape change.

Megatron I can understand being complex because getting a handgun to work as a poseable humanoid is tough, and his G1 toy was very different from the toon model. But Prime? Jesus, he's one of the simplest TFs to do of all.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

But matching the onscreen transformations is... literally impossible.

There's 3 things to a G1 cartoon Transformer: bot mode, alt mode, and the transformation. In trying to translate (slavishly I might add) this to plastic, if you're lucky you'll get 2/3. The transformation of an MP is ALWAYS going to differ from how it looked on the show because they employed trickery and lies.

shajaki wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

But matching the onscreen transformations is... literally impossible.

There's 3 things to a G1 cartoon Transformer: bot mode, alt mode, and the transformation. In trying to translate (slavishly I might add) this to plastic, if you're lucky you'll get 2/3. The transformation of an MP is ALWAYS going to differ from how it looked on the show because they employed trickery and lies.

I agree.The transformation sequence is the least of my worries. I want alt mode and Bot mode to be accurate

I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

Finally, people sharing my advice.
Seeing the latest MP threads I thought I was alone. I really hate all the late MPs exactly for that, even the beast wars ones whith the fake cheetah and dinobot head on their chests.

It's going completely againt the idea of trannsformers in my opinion.

On another forum I've read the term "popples", I think that's the perfect description of the lates MPs.
They're no longer transformers, they're vehicules which contains a completely different robot folded inside.

what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

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Ah, but if they went ahead and made a cartoon-accurate truck mode now, then what would they do for Version 4.0?

Qwan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

I can understand this opinion. I guess I give more leeway for the G1 guys and for the Beast Wars guys because of what they need to accomplish. The stylized robot modes don't lend themselves to using the same parts to pull off the cartoon accuracy. I guess that's why my favorite line is the Cybertron line because for the most part the toy was the character model. The Transmetals era for Beast Wars was much more accurate. I guess for all the faults we find with them doing Prime 3 times, it does give something for (most) everyone. Hopefully as time goes by they keep improving and we will end up getting the perfect version (kind of the goal of the MP line). Shucks, look at Generations Beast Wars toys, they came out amazing. Keep improving.

Proper scan from Loopaza Mega Store --

Qwan wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

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Ah, but if they went ahead and made a cartoon-accurate truck mode now, then what would they do for Version 4.0?

I thought version 4.0 would be one that be sentient with the personality from g1...apart from a few samples which have the personality of bay verse prime in them by accident. Wait no that's mp prime 6...

Cyberpath wrote:Proper scan from Loopaza Mega Store --

Confirmation his ion cannon still folds in half, but sideways this time

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

Yeah, I've been wondering about that too since the prototype was revealed. The grill is one thing, but the windows? I gotta see how this works out. I hope he can at least be posed in-mid transformation like the cartoon. Almost impossible with MP-10.

Qwan wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

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Ah, but if they went ahead and made a cartoon-accurate truck mode now, then what would they do for Version 4.0?

My thought exactly.

(Not that I'm upset about III.)

Qwan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

Sticking to my guns on this. If you want the transformation to be accurate, all you're going to end up with is toys that looks awkward, disproportionate, and with more kibble like their original TOY counterparts. The show accurate chests of Dinobot, Cheetor, Sunstreaker, and so on a literally not possible without faux pieces.

Want proof? Google Omnigonex Spinout. That's what you get without transformation cheats.

On this accurate transformation topic. The cheats that happen in 2 dimensions can not be reproduced in 3. It's just science. Remember, animation is a cheat. A trick. Animation tricks the eye into seeing movement from static images.

The only time I can recall in my limited knowledge of Transformers cartoons, that pure transformation accuracy between the show and the toys has happened is Cybertron. Which was a product of using the Toy's CAD models as the show's character models. Great foresight on Has, Tak, and the studio who made the show.

I'd love to see more of this foresight.
That kind of accuracy can be achieved. It's just super time consuming on the animation side, and probably not usually in the budget.

With the BW figures I can take the faux-partsing, mainly because the end results look fantastic. With the G1 figures though...Eh. The show models (which were barely adhered to), whilst good starting points/concepts for a figure, were too primitive to be 1:1 reproduced in plastic form. Like, would you want a hypothetical MP Blitzwing to have his gunbarrel sticking out of his head, just because the model artist misinterpreted the toy design?

Completely cheating the conversion just to get it that little bit closer (and even then only from the front) seems like it defeats the entire point of a Transformer.

As far as Sunstreaker goes, Omnigonix's Spinout was doomed by sabotage, and honestly looked pretty decent next to Sideswipe. But for the fake chest, all they really need to do is just use the top half of the windscreen/roof to form the chest rather than the whole thing. Granted I don't know if Lamborghini would throw a wobbly over that.

shajaki wrote:

Qwan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

Sticking to my guns on this. If you want the transformation to be accurate, all you're going to end up with is toys that looks awkward, disproportionate, and with more kibble like their original TOY counterparts. The show accurate chests of Dinobot, Cheetor, Sunstreaker, and so on a literally not possible without faux pieces.

Want proof? Google Omnigonex Spinout. That's what you get without transformation cheats.

I said I understood when sacrifices had to happen. And with Dinobot, I found it brilliant since it is a part of his alt mode we see on his robot chest (plus his transformation had his velociraptor head floating in the air so its not like it works on tv either). But I find this whole Optimus chest thing super lazy. Like whats the point. As we get more and more about wanting accuracy, I fail to see how this is better than just having a super accurate Figuarts or Figma figure of cartoon optimus Prime. At least I can then imagine that those are the same parts he has in car mode.

It reminds me of those robot detail panels on Tracks' legs. Like whats the point of even having them part of them being attached if they are so divorced from the whole toy and leg. At that point its the same as just having add on leg panels you attach and detach.

Cobotron wrote:On this accurate transformation topic. The cheats that happen in 2 dimensions can not be reproduced in 3. It's just science. Remember, animation is a cheat. A trick. Animation tricks the eye into seeing movement from static images.

The only time I can recall in my limited knowledge of Transformers cartoons, that pure transformation accuracy between the show and the toys has happened is Cybertron. Which was a product of using the Toy's CAD models as the show's character models. Great foresight on Has, Tak, and the studio who made the show.

I'd love to see more of this foresight.
That kind of accuracy can be achieved. It's just super time consuming on the animation side, and probably not usually in the budget.

Not all were perfect to the toy, due to late changes. Look at Leobreaker and to a lesser extent Landmine. Which brings me to my point. Toys are in constant development, but animation models have to be considered "final" at an earlier time to avoid production delays for the show. It's all logistics. If a toy changes dramatically while the cartoon is well into production, it's not always possible to translate these changes effectively into the finished animation.

ExciKaiser wrote:Finally, people sharing my advice.
Seeing the latest MP threads I thought I was alone. I really hate all the late MPs exactly for that, even the beast wars ones whith the fake cheetah and dinobot head on their chests.

It's going completely againt the idea of trannsformers in my opinion.

On another forum I've read the term "popples", I think that's the perfect description of the lates MPs.
They're no longer transformers, they're vehicules which contains a completely different robot folded inside.

Have you seen what the animations did to the bw characters? dinobots dino head literally detaches from his body model and then gets squished almost flat... you can't do that sort of thing with plastic, same goes for cheetor and rattrap

Come out and take my money already!!!

BeastWars MP Dinobot cheats too with the pseudo head on his chest. Not hearing any complaints there.