Best Look Yet at Optimus Prime's Truck mode in Transformers 7

Once again, I'm glad that they are going for a non-real truck with plenty of "meat" behind to allow for a proper traditional Optimus transformation.

I'm very happy to see a COE Optimus sans a stupid hot rod flame paintjob

Too bad we're still getting that crappy Camaro Bee, and that he's probably still a main character. If they have to include him, I REALLY hope they at least finally drop that "Bee doesn't have a voice" crap

transformers_va wrote:Too bad we're still getting that crappy Camaro Bee, and that he's probably still a main character. If they have to include him, I REALLY hope they at least finally drop that "Bee doesn't have a voice" crap

You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do that

transformers_va wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do that

Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.

Sabrblade wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

It's funny that this could be considered "iconic", as Bee was around long before the Bay movies, but I agree with you that they won't do that

Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.

Not enough people credit Spielberg with that, they'd rather just blame bay

Interesting that he's parked next to red and white vans. I doubt that's a coincidence, but it's probably more of an Easter egg than confirmation of Ratchet and Ironhide being in the movie, maybe.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:Was he, though? He certainly disappeared into obscurity for over a decade after Hasbro lost his name. Like it or not, the first movie is what brought Bumblebee back into prominence and made him a household name for the brand. Before then, Bumblebee was just another name in a long list of Average Joes that only the hardcore fans cared about, with his role having since been replaced by the likes of Cheetor and Hot Shot. And it was the movie version of Bumblebee that became the standout version of the character, then one that made Hasbro boatloads of money. He and his dumb voice gimmick are too valuable to Paramount for them to give up either, especially after the most recent TF movie they made was specifically for him and his gimmick. Like it or not, we're stuck with him being a poor man's E.T. in these movies all thanks to one Mr. Steven Spielberg.

Yes, he was most definitely around, granted not in the same shining spotlight that he is now

I don't understand the focus he gets these days.. he was a crappy character in G1, and is still a crappy character (even worse is he's lost his Bug charm, and is now a POS Camaro). I don't recall anyone in the 80s saying, "Man, Bee is my favourite character"... almost EVERY character was cooler/better than he was

transformers_va wrote:Yes, he was most definitely around, granted not in the same shining spotlight that he is now

Oh? Where was he during Beast Wars? Beast Machines? Robots in Disguise '01? Armada? Energon? Cybertron? As in, where the brand's main focus was before the movies.

transformers_va wrote:I don't understand the focus he gets these days.. he was a crappy character in G1, and is still a crappy character (even worse is he's lost his Bug charm, and is now a POS Camaro). I don't recall anyone in the 80s saying, "Man, Bee is my favourite character"... almost EVERY character was cooler/better than he was

Simple. Spielberg wanted a mascot, a focal kid-appeal character for his "A boy and his car" premise for the first movie, one that they could milk for all its worth in a foolhardy attempt to recapture the magic of E.T.'s whimsical appeal. Since the kid in the movie was gonna be named Witwicky, they chose the name of the Autobot who was the original Witwicky boy's best friend.

I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

ZeroWolf wrote:This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

THIS is the movie that pulled me back into Transformers. I'm a 1980's child but it's the 2007 Bay movie that kicked me "THIS IS SPARTA" style into the TF Rabbit Hole.

And I'm pretty damn sure I'm not the only one.

Sabrblade wrote:

Simple. Spielberg wanted a mascot, a focal kid-appeal character for his "A boy and his car" premise for the first movie, one that they could milk for all its worth in a foolhardy attempt to recapture the magic of BABY WEE WEE. whimsical appeal.[/quote]


Fixed it XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuTJC84yekw

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

Really? So are you saying that it was specifically the Bay movies that did this, or could it be that the Transformers already have a huge fanbase, and any movies would have done this?

transformers_va wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I can understand the "Bumblebee fatigue". But I'm pretty damn happy that Baybulbee is a thing because thanks to that mascot, Transformers is now more popular than ever and it brought at least two new generations of fans.

Thus ensuring the vitality of the brand for years to come.

Also, it's thanks to Baybulbee that we had two trilogies in a row celebrating G1, and much more to come.

This also never gets the credit it deserves, 07 give the franchise a much longer reach.

Really? So are you saying that it was specifically the Bay movies that did this, or could it be that the Transformers already have a huge fanbase, and any movies would have done this?

I don't think that the fanbase was that huge before 2007. It was pretty nice, but it could have been bigger. Then the 2007 movie happened and it was MAGICAL enough to revitalise the franchise into a new prosperity, like Beast Wars did back then.

Hasbro tried it a few more times for other brands like GI Joe but they couldn't recreate what the 2007 Bay movie did.

I find hilarious that to this day, there's still "Bay haters" who just refuse to acknowledge this fact.

blackeyedprime wrote:Fixed it XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuTJC84yekw

Well, since you're the one who finds "whimsical appeal" in that toy, who am I to stop you from liking it?

-Kanrabat- wrote:I don't think that the fanbase was that huge before 207. It was pretty nice, but it could have been bigger. Then the 2007 movie happened and it was MAGICAL enough to revitalise the franchise into a new prosperity, like Beast Wars did back then.

Yes, it's inevitable that with new generations of ppl being born, the fanbase grew, but hard to judge due to the infancy of the internet. It's interesting that the site we're on was created -7 years BEFORE Bayverse

-Kanrabat- wrote:Hasbro tried it a few more times for other brands like GI Joe but they couldn't recreate what the 2007 Bay movie did.

Again, can be attributed to the existing fanbase, not Bay specifically

-Kanrabat- wrote:I find hilarious that to this day, there's still "Bay haters" who just refuse to acknowledge this fact.

Because it's NOT a fact

A few reasons I dislike (not hate) Bayverse:

• No real character developmemt
• More focus on humans than the Transformers
• Pathetic robot design (I’m from a highly intelligent robot species, but don’t have feet?!?! see below) Many times can't even make out where the robot's head actually is located
• Using existing character's names, just because you like them, with complete disregard to the existing fans.. ya know, the ones who fucking supported the franchise BEFORE Bay

I'm a brillo pad:


I've got no feet:

Are the movies garbage?
Yes.
Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?
Yes.
Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
Also yes.

Checkmate atheist.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the movies garbage?
Yes.
Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?
Yes.
Did the movies brought more fans than ever?
Also yes.

Checkmate atheist.

Gonna have to agree with this one

-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the bots just a pite of random scrapmetal thrown into a blender?

Hahaha can't/won't disagree on this

-Kanrabat- wrote:Are the movies garbage?

There were some redeeming qualities, so I can't agree that they were complete garbage.. but they could have been a million times better than Bay

-Kanrabat- wrote:Did the movies brought more fans than ever?

Can't say that for certain, unless you have the metrics of before and after.. again hard because of the internet's infancy

-Kanrabat- wrote:Did the movies brought more fans than ever?

Can't say that for certain, unless you have the metrics of before and after.. again hard because of the internet's infancy[/quote]

How about using toy sales figures as the metrics?

I've always been a model kit builder, into Gundam, Macross and Sci-Fi (Star Wars, etc.) But TF? I stopped collecting after G1 because I stopped watching TF shows on TV. But I've always know about new TF toys because I read Japanese toy mags for decades, never took enough an interest. Too "kid-focus" in appearance.

The Bay movies brought me back interest in buying TF toys however. Not because they look cool (took me around DOTM to appreciate its "mechanical alien" look, not because they look anything like the G1 I loved), but because of the complex engineering in the toys - that Leader class OP completely sold me over.

So I'm sure Bayverse brought back a LOT of people like me that grew up and stopped collecting and back into hard-core fans again. Just like Marvel/DC movieverse, how many moviegoers actually kept buying their comics but because of the movies, their IP turned into media jugernauts that they are today? Just look at the market penetration TF got now vs. pre-Bay.

I understand and agree that the Bay movies' are mostly crap in its storytelling and juvenile jokes & sexism, stupid bot designs and whathaveyou for most long-time fans. But in terms of bring back or creating new fans, and toy buyers, the contribution is immense. That's worth *something* for Hasbro right?

Very clean end mean look. Quite cool.

As for new fans due to Bay my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were (I only watched it due to laika). I subjected him to 07 at imax but realised I didn't want him watching that kinda crap as a lot of it was inappropriate (and pretty much got worse). He did however really enjoy prime which is kinda baynus based though he favors armada/energon. There's been plenty of media to bring in new fans since g1 and that will continue even if the live actions continue to be terrible but the baynus approach lost a lot of fans too and some of them might never find their way back.

blackeyedprime wrote:As for new fans due to Bay my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were (I only watched it due to laika). I subjected him to 07 at imax but realised I didn't want him watching that kinda crap as a lot of it was inappropriate (and pretty much got worse). He did however really enjoy prime which is kinda baynus based though he favors armada/energon. There's been plenty of media to bring in new fans since g1 and that will continue even if the live actions continue to be terrible but the baynus approach lost a lot of fans too and some of them might never find their way back.

Being a fan doesn't have to be "all of nothing", does it? I don't enjoy the Bay movies, but I buy the movie toys because I love the engineering of them. I actually enjoy the looks of the Bayverse toys more than the on-screen junk metals because the engineering/transforming have to physically makes sense. And that's what Bay gave me specifically - the joy of handling toys with intricate transformation (at least until DOTM). Compare that to the Generations line. The engineering/design philosophies of these 2 lines are very different, and I appreciate both.

I don't understand why people have to "never find their way back" to the TF franchise because of a few dumb, terrible, extremely bad movies. Don't be like those "GIVE ME MY 2 HOURS BACK!!!!!! I WOULD RATE IT 0/10 on IMDB IF I CAN!" crowd. That 2 hours to me are never THAT important to begin with it if I'm going to the movies (vs., say, R&D on robotics). I never have high expectations for popcorn blockbusters. I just laugh it off rather than get too angry with those crap, just not worth getting high blood pressure over.

Circling back to my original question.

TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.
Why walk away from it all because of the movies?

Besides, Hasbro smart enough to never put all their eggs into one basket. It's perfectly fine to never touch any Bay-related movies & toys. But Generations (aka "The Good Stuff" for me) never stopped during the Bay era. Why "never find their way back" when something good like the Generations toy line is worth collecting? That's sad to me.

Cloudballon, I couldn't have said it better myself.

cloudballoon wrote:TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.

The toys rely HEAVILY on the media, whether it be movies, TV, comics, video games, etc., so to disassociate doesn't make sense. When crappy movies are actually turning fans away from the franchise, that is a problem that Hasbro should not ignore. I want to see Transformers continue for decades and generations to come, and it annoys me that stupid Hollywood/Hasbro decision making puts that into jeopardy

transformers_va wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:TF to me, and I'm pretty sure for Hasbro too, are never about the TV/movies first. It's about the TOYS.

The toys rely HEAVILY on the media, whether it be movies, TV, comics, video games, etc., so to disassociate doesn't make sense. When crappy movies are actually turning fans away from the franchise, that is a problem that Hasbro should not ignore. I want to see Transformers continue for decades and generations to come, and it annoys me that stupid Hollywood/Hasbro decision making puts that into jeopardy

However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.

Proof is in the MONEY.

-Kanrabat- wrote:However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.

Proof is in the MONEY.

I agree, proof is definitely in the money. Transformers (2007) brought in roughly 320 million in North America, but fell to roughly 130 million for TLK.. doesn't strike me as "a minority of a minority"

transformers_va wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:However, the fans that are being "turned away" by the Bay movies must be a minority of a minority.

Proof is in the MONEY.

I agree, proof is definitely in the money. Transformers (2007) brought in roughly 320 million in North America, but fell to roughly 130 million for TLK.. doesn't strike me as "a minority of a minority"

Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?

Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies

transformers_va wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Y U just look at the movies while conveniently ignoring the toys and merchs sales?

Because this thread/discussion is about about the movies

That wasn't the discussion since at least 20 posts and you know it.

-Kanrabat- wrote:That wasn't the discussion since at least 20 posts and you know it.

If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.

Thankfully Travis' Bumblebee started turning that around, but that uptick will doubtlessly be reversed if Lorenzo's comment about TF7 is correct ("We wanna deliver a film that has the scale and spectacle of the Bay films")

I wish they'd take a cue from Hasbro's CEO, when he stated "[Bumblebee] is successfully introducing Transformers to a new generation of kids and re-engaging our core fans around the world" <!-- keywords being "re-engaging our core fans"

Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did. Doesn't matter how cool the toys are unfortunately for some if the media's ended their fandom. Star wars is lucky that the mandnocannonlorian pulled some fans back. Safe to assume wfc and ss86 has for Tf too. I like giant robots so I'll buy the odd baynus bot despite my mind and wallet telling me it could have gone on a figure from media I like.
My sons pretty much only got eyes on my master made Tf stuff when I pop my cloggs though I'm sure some other stuff will make it onto his shelves too by that point.

blackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.

100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucas

blackeyedprime wrote:..my son wouldn't even watch the bumblebee film because of how bad the bay ones were"

As a longtime fan of Transformers, this is heartbreaking.. hopefully he'll see it one day, and realise that the Bay movies were (hopefully) an anomaly

transformers_va wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.

100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucas

And I feel awful for the generation that was introduced to Star Wars via Lucas prequel trilogy. (The generation I was introduced to it)

Seriously Star Wars movies are entertaining but there's only like 2-3 of the films that were actually "good", at least by the "high class" standards people have today.

The Last Knight film may have been sub par, but the toyline did brilliantly, and hasbro has pointed this out in the past to the investors. All the later bay films did was turn people away from the bay films, not the franchise itself.

Deadput wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.

100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucas

And I feel awful for the generation that was introduced to Star Wars via Lucas prequel trilogy. (The generation I was introduced to it)

Seriously Star Wars movies are entertaining but there's only like 2-3 of the films that were actually "good", at least by the "high class" standards people have today.

If we're being honest, that would only be Empire...which Lucas didn't direct.. also one of the best Star wars films, Rogue One, is a Disney film.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Deadput wrote:

transformers_va wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Baynus pretty much had the effect Disney star wars did.

100% agreed! I feel awful for the younger generation being introduced to Star Wars via Disney, rather than Lucas

And I feel awful for the generation that was introduced to Star Wars via Lucas prequel trilogy. (The generation I was introduced to it)

Seriously Star Wars movies are entertaining but there's only like 2-3 of the films that were actually "good", at least by the "high class" standards people have today.

If we're being honest, that would only be Empire...which Lucas didn't direct.. also one of the best Star wars films, Rogue One, is a Disney film.

I'd take any of the Ewoks films over Rogue One hahahahaha as for last Knight toys selling well, you mean other than that big dragon one thats probably keeping the Atari ET cartridges company XD

The TLK toy line did well probably was due to the simplified transformation and Dinosaurs!!!!!!! And that's OK by me (as a collector), I just pick & choose what's worth buying for me OR the kids. Again, for me, AoE & TLK got a different vibe to Bay TF1-3, they's their own thing and a different kind of cool (and uncool). My head would explode if I try to blend all of Bay's TF1-5 into a timeline.

If you ask me, the Bay-directed movies helped advance the engineering of TF figures like never before, and bring the franchise's recognition into a much bigger audience's consciousness. Thanks the Primes for that, and that fact ALONE can make me forgive(?) the dozen or so hours I "wasted" watching them.

But as a "good" movie, it is IMO the BBB movie that's the best so far to bring in kids into the franchise. It got a proper 80's vibe to it that's more endearing to watch with the whole family than anything before it (yes, even the 86 one) at the theater, and I hope future movies got that element to it. It's warm & charming, nothing crazy plot- or TF ethos rewriting-wise, and still got a dollops of action set pieces. Just a decent movie that hardcore and casual TF fans can get into. Don't bash it because you went in expecting "MCU in TF-skin" action smash-fest but you instead saw an "E.T." style of a family-orientated movie. Movie genres can co-exist in a franchise like TF. It's just too bad Hasbro didn't design much toys around that movie. Hope Hasbro can rectify most of that mistake in the Studio Series line.

cloudballoon wrote:The TLK toy line did well probably was due to the simplified transformation and Dinosaurs!!!!!!!

That sounds more like the AOE line. TLK was more "Dragons/Knights!!!!!!!" than "Dinosaurs!!!!!!!".

Speaking as someone who got into Star Wars thanks to the prequels (still my favorite by far, Empire to me is one of the worst Star Wars films put to screen) and into Transformers thanks to the movies (and actually enjoyed all 6 live action ones to date, even TLK), I think some of you are massively underestimating those respective markets and their impact. All of the movie Bees I have are the reason you guys got a Haslab Unicron and 2 different iterations of your favorite Ark bots between Prime Wars and WFC. It's that simple.

If it weren't for the movies, we probably would have kept on the BW/BM/RiD2001/UT train, with some good series sprinkled in with some subpar, the bots always looking different and no one complaining about the "name slapping" (which to me is ridiculous to say).

Movies brought in fans. Movies made a crap ton of toys that a lot of people bought and brought them on board. My generation exists. We have had a huge impact. And if anything would make people want to jump ship, TLK probably would have the same impact as Prime Wars and WFC, because all 3 of those are of similar quality with a lot of the same issues.

Get off the entitlement horse. It's unbecoming. After 6 movies ya'd think it would have been better.

I am excited for the movie and what has been revealed so far. I am excited to see what happens. I love all the live action movies, and I am excited to see the bots on screen again

Sabrblade wrote:

transformers_va wrote:Too bad we're still getting that crappy Camaro Bee, and that he's probably still a main character. If they have to include him, I REALLY hope they at least finally drop that "Bee doesn't have a voice" crap

You know they won't do that. These Hollywood chums see it as too iconic to eliminate.

And as long as Bayverse Bee is around, the Bayverse will still live on, muahahahaha

transformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.

LOLOLOLOL
So I guess it wasn't fans giving Hasbro all this money for the increase output of toys that has lead to us now having at least 3 main lines at all times rather than 1 to satisfy increased demand for TF toys. Only 5 year olds and grandmas buy Studio Series figs, everyone knows that!

Will, you're dealing with adamant Bay haters and even if you put their fingers in the stigmas, they would still refuse to believe that the Transformers franchise is so strong and alive today thanks to the Bay movies.

----------

On a related note, it's too bad that the G.I Joe movies failed in that regard. Let's hope the Snake Eye movie will put the now obscure brand back into the mainstream. A "MP only" line with no vehicles and barely any characters only made for collectors ain't gonna cut it.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Speaking as someone who got into Star Wars thanks to the prequels (still my favorite by far, Empire to me is one of the worst Star Wars films put to screen) and into Transformers thanks to the movies (and actually enjoyed all 6 live action ones to date, even TLK), I think some of you are massively underestimating those respective markets and their impact. All of the movie Bees I have are the reason you guys got a Haslab Unicron and 2 different iterations of your favorite Ark bots between Prime Wars and WFC. It's that simple.

If it weren't for the movies, we probably would have kept on the BW/BM/RiD2001/UT train, with some good series sprinkled in with some subpar, the bots always looking different and no one complaining about the "name slapping" (which to me is ridiculous to say).

Movies brought in fans. Movies made a crap ton of toys that a lot of people bought and brought them on board. My generation exists. We have had a huge impact. And if anything would make people want to jump ship, TLK probably would have the same impact as Prime Wars and WFC, because all 3 of those are of similar quality with a lot of the same issues.

Get off the entitlement horse. It's unbecoming. After 6 movies ya'd think it would have been better.

No doubt, the movies DID bring in fans, I have NEVER argued differently. However, it has also pushed a large number of fans away.. the very same fans that have a large amount of disposable income, when compared to a much younger fan

Wow! Talk about entitlement, your generation also brought us Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, etc. Just because you're here, doesn't mean you have taste Case in point, your favourite are the prequels? Your opinion of the Star Wars speaks volumes

"Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it.."

william-james88 wrote:

transformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.

LOLOLOLOL
So I guess it wasn't fans giving Hasbro all this money for the increase output of toys that has lead to us now having at least 3 main lines at all times rather than 1 to satisfy increased demand for TF toys. Only 5 year olds and grandmas buy Studio Series figs, everyone knows that!

I'm sorry, are you so short-sighted as to not understand that those numbers could have been SO much higher had they NOT created such crappy movies/characters?

Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans

transformers_va wrote:
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans

Please name each and everyone of them along their date of birth and social security number.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

transformers_va wrote:
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans

Please name each and everyone of them along their date of birth and social security number.

Sure.. I'll get right on that

-Kanrabat- wrote:

transformers_va wrote:
Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans

Please name each and everyone of them along their date of birth and social security number.

If these large numbers of fans were driven away because of a couple of movies then they're weak and thats why noone will remember their names lol #fakefans

Just look at live action movies like DragonBall, TMNT and Death Note. Although I doubt any fans bought toys from the movies they hated hahahaha doesn't matter though

transformers_va wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

transformers_va wrote:If you have verifiable metrics of toys/merch sales per movie, then I'd be happy to add that to the totals, but it will likely lead to the same conclusion - Bayverse drove fans away from the franchise, and NOT in small numbers.

LOLOLOLOL
So I guess it wasn't fans giving Hasbro all this money for the increase output of toys that has lead to us now having at least 3 main lines at all times rather than 1 to satisfy increased demand for TF toys. Only 5 year olds and grandmas buy Studio Series figs, everyone knows that!

I'm sorry, are you so short-sighted as to not understand that those numbers could have been SO much higher had they NOT created such crappy movies/characters?

Scratch that, since it diverges from the main point that I was making, which is Bay movies drove away large numbers of fans

I showed you the proof you asked for that the movies brought in a ton of money and new fans, I mean they must be new right?!. Now where is your proof that a significant amount of fans are no longer giving Hasbro money? I don't see it. And the fact that people complain of not enough toys on the shelves only proved the opposite. If many fans left, I guess they had 0 impact.

That's the power of BAY