BBTS Exclusive Transformers Generations Titans Return Siege on Cybertron Now Available for Preorder

Finally!!! Preordered!

TakaraTomy prices have got me so confounded that paying $111 *just* for Metalhawk seems like something I'd do.

I couldn't get myself to pay the prices for TT Legends. Definitely glad I didn't go with TT Ginrai. The asking price on that was too much for me, and yea, makes this $100 box set seem a steal. Kinda wish I didn't get Triggerhappy though. I'm not familiar with the character and don't need 2 of this mold. Metalhawk would have been fine. I'm pretty excited for this set. BTW, I'm a bit out of the loop. Does Pounce share a mold with another figure?

Out of curiosity, how long you guys think before this set sells out?

Pre-ordered!!

And I think Pounce and fastlane share a similar base, as will their twins. The design looks similar, and I think the transformations are similar

One assumes Pounce shares a mould with Wingspan. But we haven't seen him yet.


I would love to get this set. Thunderwing is the only one I'm not interested in.

nycPrime wrote:I couldn't get myself to pay the prices for TT Legends. Definitely glad I didn't go with TT Ginrai. The asking price on that was too much for me, and yea, makes this $100 box set seem a steal. Kinda wish I didn't get Triggerhappy though. I'm not familiar with the character and don't need 2 of this mold. Metalhawk would have been fine. I'm pretty excited for this set. BTW, I'm a bit out of the loop. Does Pounce share a mold with another figure?

Right? Even in Japan, Super Ginrai's price on the secondary market it something like $135. This set is cheaper...and includes 4 other toys!

Does anyone know where this will be available in the U.K.?

Insurgent wrote:One assumes Pounce shares a mould with Wingspan. But we haven't seen him yet.


I would love to get this set. Thunderwing is the only one I'm not interested in.

It will be. Just like the Autobot clones they will share the over all mold together with some slight tooling

Pre-Ordered The Cybertron Set as well. I just wish there was a way to speak to a "live" person at BBTS rather than their customer service e-mail which never answers any questions (2 weeks ago they "knew nothing" of this set...now here it is? I'm sure the exclusivity of this set in the United States being through BBTS was something vetted a long time ago, as was stated at ToyFair back in February).

Anyway, it states estimated arrival is late July. So about four months in-between the first & second set. Last Year CW & UW box sets were being released with regularity about every 60 days. If the four month time duration between sets remains we wont see the 3rd set until November, and the 4th until March 2018! Hopefully that will nto be the case. Hopefully the last 2 sets come before end of year. I'm thinking/hoping Hasbro wants to start 2018 fresh with a new line.

So in thinking about the boxsets, could Optimus Prime be the thing that ties them altogether. While I doubt it, it may actually happen.

Here is what I noticed:

1. Chaos on Velocitron: Laser Prime Voyager
2. Siege on Cybertron: Magnus Prime Leader
3. There is a potential deluxe Orion Pax coming
4. Then just a diecast Titan Master for Box set 4.

This would give us an Optimus figure at every class in the boxset besides the "special" Clones class.

Again, do I think this is likely what they are doing? No. But, it is interesting that so far both boxsets in TR have had an Optimus, and there is an extremely high likelihood of an Orion Pax coming too.

Where do I get it for the UK and for how the much? I want Magnus Prime. I'd probably keep the Thunderwing head since it's so small. I'd sell off the other figures cos none of them interest me at all.

o.supreme wrote:Pre-Ordered The Cybertron Set as well. I just wish there was a way to speak to a "live" person at BBTS rather than their customer service e-mail which never answers any questions (2 weeks ago they "knew nothing" of this set...now here it is? I'm sure the exclusivity of this set in the United States being through BBTS was something vetted a long time ago, as was stated at ToyFair back in February).

Anyway, it states estimated arrival is late July. So about four months in-between the first & second set. Last Year CW & UW box sets were being released with regularity about every 60 days. If the four month time duration between sets remains we wont see the 3rd set until November, and the 4th until March 2018! Hopefully that will nto be the case. Hopefully the last 2 sets come before end of year. I'm thinking/hoping Hasbro wants to start 2018 fresh with a new line.

Well what do you expect? BBTS carries over a thousand brands. I work in retail and you have no idea how annoying it is when someone asks "when is this happening?" I have no idea.

Well, I wish I'd know they were going to release this version of Prime here, I probably wouldn't have gotten the Takara one. But I too have preordered it. Would have been nice to see the Alt versions.

mordhelm wrote:So in thinking about the boxsets, could Optimus Prime be the thing that ties them altogether. While I doubt it, it may actually happen.

Here is what I noticed:

1. Chaos on Velocitron: Laser Prime Voyager
2. Siege on Cybertron: Magnus Prime Leader
3. There is a potential deluxe Orion Pax coming
4. Then just a diecast Titan Master for Box set 4.

This would give us an Optimus figure at every class in the boxset besides the "special" Clones class.

Again, do I think this is likely what they are doing? No. But, it is interesting that so far both boxsets in TR have had an Optimus, and there is an extremely high likelihood of an Orion Pax coming too.

The Magnus Prime isn't technically Optimus. It's actually the transtector Ginrai from super god master force that came to life at the end apparently. According to tfwiki and they only post officia stuff.

But yeah it's something I've noticed too that it's possible we're getting an "optimus" maybe in every box

mordhelm wrote:So in thinking about the boxsets, could Optimus Prime be the thing that ties them altogether. While I doubt it, it may actually happen.

Here is what I noticed:

1. Chaos on Velocitron: Laser Prime Voyager
2. Siege on Cybertron: Magnus Prime Leader
3. There is a potential deluxe Orion Pax coming
4. Then just a diecast Titan Master for Box set 4.

This would give us an Optimus figure at every class in the boxset besides the "special" Clones class.

Again, do I think this is likely what they are doing? No. But, it is interesting that so far both boxsets in TR have had an Optimus, and there is an extremely high likelihood of an Orion Pax coming too.

Clones aren't a special class, they are Legends sized.

I originally passed on Takara Ginrai, so this worked well for me. I preordered Godbomber at the same time. After dropping $188 on the Chaos on Velocitron set when I couldn't find it locally, this seems like a decent deal!

Randomhero wrote:The Magnus Prime isn't technically Optimus. It's actually the transtector Ginrai from super god master force that came to life at the end apparently. According to tfwiki and they only post officia stuff.

We technically don't know that for certain. To clarify, the person who put Magnus Prime on Ginrai's Wiki page did so only because of the toy mold's heritage. I doubt Hasbro really meant for Magnus Prime to be the Japanese ex-Godmaster character, so once we get something concrete on Magnus Prime's identity, it'll be put in its proper placement on the Wiki.

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:The Magnus Prime isn't technically Optimus. It's actually the transtector Ginrai from super god master force that came to life at the end apparently. According to tfwiki and they only post officia stuff.

We technically don't know that for certain. To clarify, the person who put Magnus Prime on Ginrai's Wiki page did so only because of the toy mold's heritage. I doubt Hasbro really meant for Magnus Prime to be the Japanese ex-Godmaster character, so once we get something concrete on Magnus Prime's identity, it'll be put in its proper placement on the Wiki.

Either way it's also whoever you want it to be once their in your hands. That's why I really don't understand why people get so mad when there's a name change due to trademark or it's not what wanted.

It's your toy call it whatever the hell you want.

Randomhero wrote:Either way it's also whoever you want it to be once their in your hands. That's why I really don't understand why people get so mad when there's a name change due to trademark or it's not what wanted.

It's your toy call it whatever the hell you want.

He's the proper POWERMASTER OPTIMUS F***ING PRIME with HI-Q when I get him.

Magnus Prime will be my Ginrai, and hopefully we get Godbomber in a later boxset. It would be cool, considering Hasbro's recent trends towards including several Japanese-exclusive characters, to get Super Ginrai in hand through Hasbro. Also, even though I don't like the feet, I do like the tooling and I'm glad I passed on Powermaster Prime to get this version

Rodimus Knight wrote:Well, I wish I'd know they were going to release this version of Prime here, I probably wouldn't have gotten the Takara one. But I too have preordered it. Would have been nice to see the Alt versions.

We already have pics of the alt modes. You can see them here
https://www.seibertron.com/events/galle ... ent_id=505

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Magnus Prime will be my Ginrai, and hopefully we get Godbomber in a later boxset. It would be cool, considering Hasbro's recent trends towards including several Japanese-exclusive characters, to get Super Ginrai in hand through Hasbro. Also, even though I don't like the feet, I do like the tooling and I'm glad I passed on Powermaster Prime to get this version

I was a pretty big opponent of the feet but after having Ginrai for 6 months now they grow on you. I barely notice them anymore but that might also attribute to giving my TR PM Optimus to a friend after getting him so I don't notice it anymore

Randomhero wrote:Well what do you expect? BBTS carries over a thousand brands. I work in retail and you have no idea how annoying it is when someone asks "when is this happening?" I have no idea.

So...folks at NYTF know more about BBTS than they themselves do? That's interesting. Also I used to work at a retail store also (one of the worst btw that is almost extinct now), granted it was almost 20 years ago, but even on our crappy ancient-as-heck DOS based computer system we could look up products and know when they were coming. If with all the computer/networking technology now, retail stores employees don't know what's coming, and not, that is a huge problem. Of course I experienced that with Wal-Mart back in late December with the TR Legends series 3 being "not in their system".... We've come so far...and yet not at all it seems sometimes.

o.supreme wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Well what do you expect? BBTS carries over a thousand brands. I work in retail and you have no idea how annoying it is when someone asks "when is this happening?" I have no idea.

So...folks at NYTF know more about BBTS than they themselves do? That's interesting. Also I used to work at a retail store also (one of the worst btw that is almost extinct now), granted it was almost 20 years ago, but even on our crappy ancient-as-heck DOS based computer system we could look up products and know when they were coming. If with all the computer/networking technology now, retail stores employees don't know what's coming, and not, that is a huge problem. Of course I experienced that with Wal-Mart back in late December with the TR Legends series 3 being "not in their system".... We've come so far...and yet not at all it seems sometimes.

It was announced by by Hasbro as a bbts exclusive. That's all. Something that was probably until lately a contract level agreement so it wouldn't be in their systems until Hasbro sent them the SKU and pricing. That's how that works. I deal with it all the time. Once a week alone I get someone who asked "when is the next Mtn Dew Game fuel coming out and what's the flavor?" "I don't know" "well how do you not know? You work for Pepsi you should know." It's annoying.

In retail nowadays when something new comes out it's not put in the system until they're sent the info ahead of time. Sometimes it's months but for exclusives it can 4-8 weeks before the actual release. That's how exclusives tend to work

Pre-ordered! If anyone is looking for just the Optimus, I'll be happy to part with him.

Man, two months? Really? Ah well, good its finally coming out

Kurona wrote:Man, two months? Really? Ah well, good its finally coming out

And lemme guess: the next two are Fall and Winter. In short, one for each season.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:Man, two months? Really? Ah well, good its finally coming out

And lemme guess: the next two are Fall and Winter. In short, one for each season.

Whatever it is, I hope they don't make me wait too long for God Bomber or Apex Armor or whatever they want to call it.

So...Any speculation on the other two Titans Return Box Sets? [Extinction on Eukaris? Crisis on Caminus?]...

Eukaris- Hasbro said there would be no Beast Themed Transformers (at least in CW), so I doubt this late in the game they would devote a whole set to it. We could get TT's Lio Convoy, Convo Bat, and the other Decepticon Clone, but then you'd have to come up with a new Leader "Beast" Transformer...Doubt it. *(Unless this set is composed of just visitors to Eukaris, see Below, or perhaps if this is the last set, it could allude to what was hinted in IDW a long time ago about the coming of Onyx Prime)

Caminus- Likely, I was thinking this would have to be an all-female set, but realized it cant be (unless they gender-flip one of the Clones). So it could be comprised of "visitors" to Caminus, though an official Elita-1 or Mistress of Flame toy would probably make some fans happy.

Earth- Sure, you can just about make an Earth set from any group of Transformers

Gigantian- Hasn't been introduced into IDW (as far as I know), and considering we are already getting Titan-Class Trypticon, I just don't think the theme would fit...


Any other colony worlds in IDW I am forgetting? That seems to be the going theme with these sets.

I've got the pre-order placed, though I am on the fence about it. The one I was excited for, Chaos on Velocitron" never hit TrU shelves near me, so I hope to sooner than later pick that set up at a reasonable price.

If you're saying there won't be any beast Transformers in Titan Returns, I can tell you they've already done that. Aside from Laserbeak and Ravage, there are Sixshot, Quickswitch, and another larger one that's a triple changer and has a beast mode.

Hey Jason5b, I think the others are thinking Beast Wars-style beastformers -- or that's more of what I'd like to see! Pretenders too.

Jason5billion wrote:If you're saying there won't be any beast Transformers in Titan Returns, I can tell you they've already done that. Aside from Laserbeak and Ravage, there are Sixshot, Quickswitch, and another larger one that's a triple changer and has a beast mode.

The Tablet Bot's are Legends Class, that spot is already reserved for each clone. Also Quickswitch was used in the Velocitron set, I seriously doubt they would use that Leader mold a third time as the Leader for another set. I mean Greatshot is an outside chance I guess, but to me that would seem kind of like a waste.

Jason5billion wrote:If you're saying there won't be any beast Transformers in Titan Returns, I can tell you they've already done that. Aside from Laserbeak and Ravage, there are Sixshot, Quickswitch, and another larger one that's a triple changer and has a beast mode.

He never said that, he merely said that we don't have a proper Leader beast mode for a Eukaris or Beast Planet themed set, and Sixshot has already been used.

We do have a rumored Carnivac, possibly out of Wolfwire/Weirdwolf, but nobody else yet.

We're gonna get Pretenders? When?

Jason5billion wrote:We're gonna get Pretenders? When?

In Titans Return we already have:

- Sky Shadow
- Metalhawk
- Thunderwing

All box set releases if I may add.

Jason5billion wrote:If you're saying there won't be any beast Transformers in Titan Returns, I can tell you they've already done that. Aside from Laserbeak and Ravage, there are Sixshot, Quickswitch, and another larger one that's a triple changer and has a beast mode.

I'm still disappointed we didn't get the rest of the lineup. They couldn't give us Frenzy, Eject, and Steeljaw (all simple repaints)?

Will this be another TRU exclusive?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Jason5billion wrote:We're gonna get Pretenders? When?

In Titans Return we already have:

- Sky Shadow
- Metalhawk
- Thunderwing

All box set releases if I may add.

I think he means legit pretenders which hopefully never. Think about how that would happen. A Deluxe pretender would require the inner robot to be legion scale. A voyager pretender would be a Legends size figure and leader class would have something deluxe size but probably a little smaller than the modern day deluxe. Would anyone really want to shell out $25 for big shell and Legends size robot or god forbit $45-50 for a deluxe size inner robot?

Nemesis Destron wrote:Will this be another TRU exclusive?

The Cybertron set is exclusive to BBTS in the US as the news item says. I think each set will be exclusive to a different chain, so expect one of the two to be Amazon.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Jason5billion wrote:We're gonna get Pretenders? When?

In Titans Return we already have:

- Sky Shadow
- Metalhawk
- Thunderwing

All box set releases if I may add.

Sky Shadow was/is a regular retail single figure release, though.

What happened to BBTS not even knowing of the set's existance?

So glad they did get it instead of a B&M since sets never actually show up at those unless they wind up at TJ Maxx/Marshalls to clear them out.

Cheaper than I expected too, I was expecting more like $130 or so, but I ain't complaining. $100 for the "real" PMOP, plus a bunch of other toys, yay. I'm sure importing Takara's would have cost more than that. So glad I passed on the original Hasbro version, I came so close to buying that twice.

Late July is gonna be a looooooooooong wait...

I wouldn't expect anything related to a Planet's Titan or Prime to show up; or even a planet's theme to play into it. The theming for each boxset is based around the tech specs; speed just happily happened to play into Velocitron. I'm not particularly expecting any huge beast theme in Eukaris, crazy as it sounds.

The 5th wave of Titans Return has been listed for Pre-Orders on RobotKingdom.com. Please keep in mind that official labelling of the wave is 2017 wave 3, and not wave 5 as is commonly used around retailers and fans. While we do have some images below we have also taken the liberty of making you a handy list of wave 5 - this way you will know what to look for! Also note that some of these figures have had previous releases.

The Preorders give a good indication at the verity of the wave breakdown which was also posted today by TFW2005 user catz.

TRA GENERATIONS TITAN MASTERS AST W3 17
Assortment
TRA GEN TITAN MASTER APEFACE X 3
TRA GEN TITAN MASTER OVERBOARD X 3
TRA GEN TITAN MASTER AUTOBOT PTERO X 3
TRA GEN TITAN MASTER RAMHORN X 3

TRA GEN LEGENDS TITANS RETURN AST W3 17
Assortment
TRA GEN LEGENDS TITAN COSMOS X 4
TRA GEN LEGENDS TITAN SEASPRAY X 4

TRA GEN DELUXE TITANS RETURN AST W3 17
Assortment
TRA GEN DELUXE WOLFWIRE X 2
TRA GEN DELUXE WINDBLADE X 2
TRA GEN DELUXE MISFIRE X 2
TRA GEN DELUXE TWINTWIST X 2

TRA GEN VOYAGER TITANS RETURN AST W3 17
Assortment
TRA GEN VOYAGER OCTANE X 1
TRA GEN VOYAGER BLITZWING X 1

TRA GEN LEADER TITANS RETURN AST W3 17
Assortment
TRA GEN LEADER OVERLORD X 2

It's a damn shame we're not getting a lot of new Titan Masters anymore... ah well. This is how the class dies; not with a bang, but with a quiet slew of re-issues.
Wonder why they chose to re-issue Overboard; I don't imagine it's the most wanted out of that mold - maybe to go along with fellow TM Cassette Ramhorn? Talking of him, LOL mistransformed stock photo

Odd that Sky Shadow isn't in the wave, would've thought Blitzwing and Octone's cross-sells would have indicated him being in the case. Why wouldn't they advertise Overlord instead I wonder?

I hope you are wrong about that. I really enjoy Titans Return and I want them to keep making them for a while longer. Which reminds me, I need to go toy hunting again soon!

I'm looking forward to clearanced Titan Masters; I plan to load up on them and then go on a minor spree buying replacement faces from Shapeways.

Alpha Trion is the other beast Transformer I was thinking of but couldn't remember. I finally found a Chromedome with Skylor today; but when I got him home and went to play with him, the right foot on the right leg was missing. I don't have the receipt, and I bought him unopened. Does anyone think the store could be liable? There's no way of seeing if a foot is missing or not because the name is hiding his feet.

That pink is horrifying on my 4K screen. I will be passing on that toy

G1OPT1MU5PR1M3 wrote:That pink is horrifying on my 4K screen. I will be passing on that toy

As a general rule, CGI renders are horrific and not very good representatives of the actual toy. Take a look at the real-life photos from this news post from a few months back, or wait on in-hand photos and video reviews from fans. I can certainly see why the pink on the toy would put many people off, but it's nowhere near as bad as in the CGI stock photos.