Awesome new Images of Transformers Generations Select Red Wing

I kind of hate its smirking face.

My main question is what stand is that in the pictures? It looks great for Decepticons.

Lovely pictures btw, and if this guy retails for $30, that would be awesome. If only they did that with Skywarp...

mentre83 wrote:I kind of hate its smirking face.

I like it, it makes me think that he's the Decepticon version of tracks, totally in love with himself (more so then screamer), the slick paint job enforces it

mentre83 wrote:I kind of hate its smirking face.

But it fits his "devil may care" attitude so much better than the blank face Starscream got.

If anything, both Starscream and Red Wing should have the smirking face while Thundercracker should have gotten the blank face.

I was interested. I don't have this character or mold.

But after seeing these pics, the tetrajet mode looks about as aerodynamic as my car keys. It's a jet with a giant block of legs tacked on underneath it.

Easy pass.

Not sure if I'm getting him or not, but he looks cool.

Sabrblade wrote:

mentre83 wrote:I kind of hate its smirking face.

But it fits his "devil may care" attitude so much better than the blank face Starscream got.

If anything, both Starscream and Red Wing should have the smirking face while Thundercracker should have gotten the blank face.

I've considered swapping the heads. So far it looks to be more trouble than it's worth but maybe someone will reverse engineer and share how they do it when the time comes.

Man, he looks great, I love the sharp color scheme on him and have no problem thinking of him as a reincarnation of armada 'scream

WiseMan wrote:I was interested. I don't have this character or mold.

But after seeing these pics, the tetrajet mode looks about as aerodynamic as my car keys. It's a jet with a giant block of legs tacked on underneath it.

Easy pass.

Do you need to be aerodynamic in space?

william-james88 wrote:

That's some mighty fine pics of a mighty fine bot. Not making saying no any easier.

ZeroWolf wrote:

WiseMan wrote:I was interested. I don't have this character or mold.

But after seeing these pics, the tetrajet mode looks about as aerodynamic as my car keys. It's a jet with a giant block of legs tacked on underneath it.

Easy pass.

Do you need to be aerodynamic in space?

In space no one can hear your drag, but they can sure as shit see your knees.

Nathaniel Prime wrote:My main question is what stand is that in the pictures? It looks great for Decepticons.

Bumb. Anyone?

Looks a lot like this, only purple.

Sabrblade wrote:

mentre83 wrote:I kind of hate its smirking face.

But it fits his "devil may care" attitude so much better than the blank face Starscream got.

If anything, both Starscream and Red Wing should have the smirking face while Thundercracker should have gotten the blank face.

I actually prefer Screamer to have the blank face for serious poses. One of the drawbacks to bots with facial expressions is you're stuck with that expression and it may not fit all situations. So in my case I rather Starscream look all business with his thugs (that actually do the dirty work) having the mischievous looks.

The thing is, G1 Starscream has an ego big enough to bludgeon Fort Max with, so he usually is smirking. That or making an "Oh slag I'm gonna die" face. So the smirk head suits him a LOT more than it does the much more dour and usually neutral/frowning Thundercracker.

Sabrblade wrote:

mentre83 wrote:I kind of hate its smirking face.

But it fits his "devil may care" attitude so much better than the blank face Starscream got.

If anything, both Starscream and Red Wing should have the smirking face while Thundercracker should have gotten the blank face.

Agreed. I've said it at least twice before, I think HasTak accidentally swapped Screamer and Thundercracker's headsculpts. I had originally been pondering just getting TC since I already had PotP Screamer, but now I want to get Screamer too.

carytheone wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Are you excited for another obscure Seeker release, or will you be passing this altogether? Tell us in the discussion below.

Hard pass as I'm already going be $90 $110 in on Siege Seekers.

I will say that is one sharp ass deco though and would jump if it happens to sell poorly and hits the e-discount bins (which is where all the select figures have fallen on my radar so far).


EDIT: oops, forgot about Smokescreen - that dude's on lock down

Smokescreen isn't a Seeker

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

carytheone wrote:...would jump if it happens to sell poorly and hits the e-discount bins (which is where all the select figures have fallen on my radar so far).


EDIT: oops, forgot about Smokescreen - that dude's on lock down

Smokescreen isn't a Seeker

Sure isn't, point?

Sabrblade wrote:

mentre83 wrote:I kind of hate its smirking face.

But it fits his "devil may care" attitude so much better than the blank face Starscream got.

If anything, both Starscream and Red Wing should have the smirking face while Thundercracker should have gotten the blank face.

Hence why a lot of fans are just planning to do a head swap between Starscream and Thundercracker. A few people are theorizing that the faces were originally supposed to be distributed like that, but something (as it often does) got confused during production.

Wolfman Jake wrote:...a lot of fans are just planning to do a head swap between Starscream and Thundercracker. A few people are theorizing that the faces were originally supposed to be distributed like that, but something (as it often does) got confused during production.

I doubt it was a mix up, wouldn't the first renders have had swapped faces?


https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ycc/42170/

I just took a look at the back of Starscream's head. Looks like it's going be a bear to swap though. The ball looks pretty big with the possibility of breaking the stem or part of the head. Well good luck and may the plastic gods be on whomever's side

carytheone wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:...a lot of fans are just planning to do a head swap between Starscream and Thundercracker. A few people are theorizing that the faces were originally supposed to be distributed like that, but something (as it often does) got confused during production.

I doubt it was a mix up, wouldn't the first renders have had swapped faces?


https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ycc/42170/

I just took a look at the back of Starscream's head. Looks like it's going be a bear to swap though. The ball looks pretty big with the possibility of breaking the stem or part of the head. Well good luck and may the plastic gods be on whomever's side

After examining my Starscream, I abandoned the idea. Unless somebody does a thread on how they do/did it.

sol magnus wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:...a lot of fans are just planning to do a head swap between Starscream and Thundercracker. A few people are theorizing that the faces were originally supposed to be distributed like that, but something (as it often does) got confused during production.

I doubt it was a mix up, wouldn't the first renders have had swapped faces?

[img]IceScream.png[/img]
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ycc/42170/

I just took a look at the back of Starscream's head. Looks like it's going be a bear to swap though. The ball looks pretty big with the possibility of breaking the stem or part of the head. Well good luck and may the plastic gods be on whomever's side

After examining my Starscream, I abandoned the idea. Unless somebody does a thread on how they do/did it.

It's not on my radar, but the only safe option seems to be taking the torso apart (if that is even possible). I'm too lazy to transform mine to check for screws. He does have screws in his "butt flaps" though.

carytheone wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:...a lot of fans are just planning to do a head swap between Starscream and Thundercracker. A few people are theorizing that the faces were originally supposed to be distributed like that, but something (as it often does) got confused during production.

I doubt it was a mix up, wouldn't the first renders have had swapped faces?

[img]IceScream.png[/img]
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ycc/42170/

I just took a look at the back of Starscream's head. Looks like it's going be a bear to swap though. The ball looks pretty big with the possibility of breaking the stem or part of the head. Well good luck and may the plastic gods be on whomever's side

After examining my Starscream, I abandoned the idea. Unless somebody does a thread on how they do/did it.

It's not on my radar, but the only safe option seems to be taking the torso apart (if that is even possible). I'm too lazy to transform mine to check for screws. He does have screws in his "butt flaps" though.

I used to reassemble G1 Megatrons from parts. I don't want any parts of this Starscream.

The render having the neutral head doesn't rule out wires getting crossed, IMO. To me, it suggests that the assembled figure the render was modeled off of used the wrong head and/or the render used the wrong head and the production toys followed suit because they used the render as a reference. Or maybe both were going off the same faulty note as to which head was whose.

It's definitely possible for renders to use the wrong head - just look at PotP Hun-Gurrr and how two of his on-package renders have the head blanked out because they used the Snaptrap/Turtler headsculpt instead (I mean, what else could it be?).

carytheone wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

carytheone wrote:...would jump if it happens to sell poorly and hits the e-discount bins (which is where all the select figures have fallen on my radar so far).


EDIT: oops, forgot about Smokescreen - that dude's on lock down

Smokescreen isn't a Seeker

Sure isn't, point?

I was looking more at this part:

carytheone wrote:Hard pass as I'm already going be $90 $110 in on Siege Seekers.

The strikethrough and the edit to add Smokescreen made it look to me like you were adding his price to the total. I guess I was wrong


EDIT: Regarding swapping the heads: What about carefully prying the front of the head away from the back?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The render having the neutral head doesn't rule out wires getting crossed, IMO. To me, it suggests that the assembled figure the render was modeled off of used the wrong head and/or the render used the wrong head and the production toys followed suit because they used the render as a reference. Or maybe both were going off the same faulty note as to which head was whose.

It's definitely possible for renders to use the wrong head - just look at PotP Hun-Gurrr and how two of his on-package renders have the head blanked out because they used the Snaptrap/Turtler headsculpt instead (I mean, what else could it be?).

carytheone wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

carytheone wrote:...would jump if it happens to sell poorly and hits the e-discount bins (which is where all the select figures have fallen on my radar so far).


EDIT: oops, forgot about Smokescreen - that dude's on lock down

Smokescreen isn't a Seeker

Sure isn't, point?

I was looking more at this part:

carytheone wrote:Hard pass as I'm already going be $90 $110 in on Siege Seekers.

The strikethrough and the edit to add Smokescreen made it look to me like you were adding his price to the total. I guess I was wrong


EDIT: Regarding swapping the heads: What about carefully prying the front of the head away from the back?

I thought he meant $110 for the Seeker trio, since Skywarp will be $50 ($30+$30+$50=$110)

About swapping the head, so far only one guy has posted a picture on Reddit about how he succeeded in removing Screamer's head, but knowing Reddit, I will just have to keep digging to find that

If you can't swap it, I don't really care honestly. I didn't care about my ROTF Leader Prime's eyes being green, and I am not about to care about who has the smirk. The mold is great, fun, and has way too many positives for me to care about one feature on its face.

Damnation HasTak enough with the visual teasing already. I think you have made your point on what an awesome figure this is!

The decorating paint splodges... Erm.. Battle wear looks better on him than thundercracker. Would like to pick him up if possible but not committed to the tetra jets set yet.

Is there something wrong with the tetra jets set or are you just not crazy about that set in general?

Anyone wonder if we'll see the almost-mandatory black repaint of Optimus Prime for Siege/Select? I'd absolutely love to have a Nemesis Prime who match the mold of my main Optimus Prime, if possible. Well, granted I really regret not getting the Legends Black Convoy to go against my TR Triple-changer Prime.

Skritz wrote:Anyone wonder if we'll see the almost-mandatory black repaint of Optimus Prime for Siege/Select?

I'd love to see one and normally I'd assume it'd be a Takara Tomy Mall exclusive. Now if one does pop up it's highly likely to be available via Hasbro Pulse. I think the real question isn't if, but how much

Skritz wrote:Anyone wonder if we'll see the almost-mandatory black repaint of Optimus Prime for Siege/Select? I'd absolutely love to have a Nemesis Prime who match the mold of my main Optimus Prime, if possible. Well, granted I really regret not getting the Legends Black Convoy to go against my TR Triple-changer Prime.

Black Convoy's still available on TFSource.

Sabrblade wrote:

Skritz wrote:Anyone wonder if we'll see the almost-mandatory black repaint of Optimus Prime for Siege/Select? I'd absolutely love to have a Nemesis Prime who match the mold of my main Optimus Prime, if possible. Well, granted I really regret not getting the Legends Black Convoy to go against my TR Triple-changer Prime.

Black Convoy's still available on TFSource.

I got mine on mandarake, wasnt that expensive. I highly recomend the figure.

Granberry wrote:Is there something wrong with the tetra jets set or are you just not crazy about that set in general?

I know you weren't asking me, but I wanted to jump on this question real quick:

I personally am not huge on it, it isn't very impressive to me, so I am not collecting the set. But Red Wing looks really good, and it will be nice to get a toy of a character that hasn't had one yet, and if he's the only one I get, he'll be unique in mold too

Skritz wrote:Anyone wonder if we'll see the almost-mandatory black repaint of Optimus Prime for Siege/Select? I'd absolutely love to have a Nemesis Prime who match the mold of my main Optimus Prime, if possible. Well, granted I really regret not getting the Legends Black Convoy to go against my TR Triple-changer Prime.

My money is on Black/Nemesis Convoy from this year's Winterfest, that seems to be where Takara has put him in the past. I just don't know if they'll do the voyager or the Galaxy Leader.... I'd be happy with either one tbh. Though the thought of them doing voyager prime's axe blade in clear red plastic makes me excited.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Skritz wrote:Anyone wonder if we'll see the almost-mandatory black repaint of Optimus Prime for Siege/Select? I'd absolutely love to have a Nemesis Prime who match the mold of my main Optimus Prime, if possible. Well, granted I really regret not getting the Legends Black Convoy to go against my TR Triple-changer Prime.

Black Convoy's still available on TFSource.

I got mine on mandarake, wasnt that expensive. I highly recomend the figure.

Which black convoy? The Amazon leader POTP one? Or the.... Laser/Scourge POTP mold?


edit:nvm… should have finished the sentence lol. I really do recommend that mold though... Hell it got me to buy Ruination/Baldigus to go with him.

Honestly I'd still prefer the original 2000/2001 version for Black Covoy/RiD Scourge. It's not like the original Laser Optimus Prime mold was a brick, after all.

Since the Legends line is over, I wonder if they might do Grand Maximus' Cog in this line.

Regarding people's price point concern over Turtler/Snaptrap, I wouldn't be too worried about it causing his cancellation. Given the exclusive nature of the series hey could sell him at his own specialty price point (as was done with TR Arcee, Repugnus, and Grotusque). Or they could include a (hopefully variable or universal) gun mode stand and bring him up to the Leader price point.

....You know, it just figures that the Seacons of all teams would end up in the exclusives line, doesn't it?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Honestly I'd still prefer the original 2000/2001 version for Black Covoy/RiD Scourge. It's not like the original Laser Optimus Prime mold was a brick, after all.

Oh, definitely. I have the original Car Robots Black Convoy made from the G2 mold, the Fun Pub TFSS Scourge made from the Reveal the Shield Deluxe class mold, and the Takara Legend Black Convoy made from the Titans Return Voyager class mold, and of all three the original G2 mold is hands down the single greatest version of the figure. After all these years, that toy is still amazing and blows all modern iterations of it far and away out of the water.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:....You know, it just figures that the Seacons of all teams would end up in the exclusives line, doesn't it?

And that's if we do get more than just Turtler, since it's still pretty weird for Takara to advertise a combinable Combiner component by itself instead of with its whole team. If this were Hasbro, sure, they have no problem showing off one member But Takara? That is strange for them.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Honestly I'd still prefer the original 2000/2001 version for Black Covoy/RiD Scourge. It's not like the original Laser Optimus Prime mold was a brick, after all.

Oh, definitely. I have the original Car Robots Black Convoy made from the G2 mold, the Fun Pub TFSS Scourge made from the Reveal the Shield Deluxe class mold, and the Takara Legend Black Convoy made from the Titans Return Voyager class mold, and of all three the original G2 mold is hands down the single greatest version of the figure. After all these years, that toy is still amazing and blows all modern iterations of it far and away out of the water.

And it's the version that RiD Optimus Prime can't just walk all over.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:....You know, it just figures that the Seacons of all teams would end up in the exclusives line, doesn't it?

And that's if we do get more than just Turtler, since it's still pretty weird for Takara to advertise a combinable Combiner component by itself instead of with its whole team. If this were Hasbro, sure, they have no problem showing off one member But Takara? That is strange for them.

They might be holding off on that until they have something to show of the other members, who might be taking longer in development. It could also be a question of available space in the magazine.
I personally think we'll be getting the full team. After all, Rippersnapper could be turned into Overbite and possibly also Gulf/Skalor.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Honestly I'd still prefer the original 2000/2001 version for Black Covoy/RiD Scourge. It's not like the original Laser Optimus Prime mold was a brick, after all.

Oh, definitely. I have the original Car Robots Black Convoy made from the G2 mold, the Fun Pub TFSS Scourge made from the Reveal the Shield Deluxe class mold, and the Takara Legend Black Convoy made from the Titans Return Voyager class mold, and of all three the original G2 mold is hands down the single greatest version of the figure. After all these years, that toy is still amazing and blows all modern iterations of it far and away out of the water.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:....You know, it just figures that the Seacons of all teams would end up in the exclusives line, doesn't it?

And that's if we do get more than just Turtler, since it's still pretty weird for Takara to advertise a combinable Combiner component by itself instead of with its whole team. If this were Hasbro, sure, they have no problem showing off one member But Takara? That is strange for them.

pretty sure they showed off computicon one by one

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:....You know, it just figures that the Seacons of all teams would end up in the exclusives line, doesn't it?

And that's if we do get more than just Turtler, since it's still pretty weird for Takara to advertise a combinable Combiner component by itself instead of with its whole team. If this were Hasbro, sure, they have no problem showing off one member But Takara? That is strange for them.

They might be holding off on that until they have something to show of the other members, who might be taking longer in development. It could also be a question of available space in the magazine.
I personally think we'll be getting the full team. After all, Rippersnapper could be turned into Overbite and possibly also Gulf/Skalor.

Historically-speaking, they'd usually hold off on showing any members until all of them were presentable so that they could show all of them at once from the get go.

I doubt it was a matter of magazine space, since the first glimpse we got of Turtler (his silhouette) was shown online.

Hellscream9999 wrote:pretty sure they showed off computicon one by one

Nuh uh. They were teased, announced, and revealed as a set upfront:

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-unite-warriors-computron-teaser/34929/
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-transformers-unite-warriors-computron-and-technobots-teasers/34989/
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/prototype-images-takara-transformers-unite-warriors-computron/35009/

Cutthroat could be Tentakill easy just swap the wing components with octopus arms. Or heck I’m looking at Blot and I could see a Tentakill out of him too hmm. Rippersnapper already kind of has that Skalor look I think. I think it’d be an easy swap for all of them but who would be that Legends class dedicated Targetmaster That’s wishful thinking of course I think that’d be so cool.

00Stargrave00 wrote:Cutthroat could be Tentakill easy just swap the wing components with octopus arms. Or heck I’m looking at Blot and I could see a Tentakill out of him too hmm. Rippersnapper already kind of has that Skalor look I think. I think it’d be an easy swap for all of them but who would be that Legends class dedicated Targetmaster That’s wishful thinking of course I think that’d be so cool.

The Legends class component was more Hasbro's thing. Takara omitted that component for all of their Unite Warriors releases. And with this being a Takara-only project, chances are they'd make all five limb components at the Deluxe class, while somehow also making Overbite convert into a gun mode (since he was the one whom King Poseidon wielded in gun mode).

00Stargrave00 wrote:Cutthroat could be Tentakill easy just swap the wing components with octopus arms. Or heck I’m looking at Blot and I could see a Tentakill out of him too hmm. Rippersnapper already kind of has that Skalor look I think. I think it’d be an easy swap for all of them but who would be that Legends class dedicated Targetmaster That’s wishful thinking of course I think that’d be so cool.

I would rather not have one of them relegated to tiny size.

Sabrblade, it occurs to me that those incidences were prior to brand unification, which may have changed their strategy a bit.

Sabrblade wrote:The Legends class component was more Hasbro's thing. Takara omitted that component for all of their Unite Warriors releases. And with this being a Takara-only project, chances are they'd make all five limb components at the Deluxe class, while somehow also making Overbite convert into a gun mode (since he was the one whom King Poseidon wielded in gun mode).

Well, if they make Overbite from Rippersnapper I think the gun mode wouldn't be too troublesome to achieve, based on my own fiddling with him.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sabrblade, it occurs to me that those incidences were prior to brand unification, which may have changed their strategy a bit.

From what we've seen of both the last few Legends releases and the likes of Star Convoy, Takara seems to be able to still do their own projects without Hasbro's involvement that in turn aren't subject to the terms and/or limitations of the brand unification, with the only effect said unification appears to have on these is their being sold on Hasbro Pulse, beginning with Star Convoy.

Just look at how much mass that Turtler has; all that retooling had to have been done well beyond the range of Hasbro's typical budget for a Voyager class figure.

I'm holding out hope for the entire Seacon team.

I held out hope for Computron and was greatly rewarded. I'm gonna hold onto the same hope here

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sabrblade, it occurs to me that those incidences were prior to brand unification, which may have changed their strategy a bit.

From what we've seen of both the last few Legends releases and the likes of Star Convoy, Takara seems to be able to still do their own projects without Hasbro's involvement that in turn aren't subject to the terms and/or limitations of the brand unification, with the only effect said unification appears to have on these is their being sold on Hasbro Pulse, beginning with Star Convoy.

Well, that was kind of my point. I was thinking that the fact that these will be sold to the USA as well might have changed up their marketing strategy.

But now another thought has occurred to me. The teams that Takara teased and advertised all together? Were sold as giftsets. If the Seacons are being sold singly...

Sabrblade wrote:Just look at how much mass that Turtler has; all that retooling had to have been done well beyond the range of Hasbro's typical budget for a Voyager class figure.

Oh, definitely, but then it is an exclusive. Some of the new parts doubtless existed on the mold already, but certainly not things like the big sword and gun. And the shield has probably been made fancier.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I'm holding out hope for the entire Seacon team.

I held out hope for Computron and was greatly rewarded. I'm gonna hold onto the same hope here

I am usually weary of hope but I honestly think an entire team makes more sense here than to expect otherwise.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sabrblade, it occurs to me that those incidences were prior to brand unification, which may have changed their strategy a bit.

From what we've seen of both the last few Legends releases and the likes of Star Convoy, Takara seems to be able to still do their own projects without Hasbro's involvement that in turn aren't subject to the terms and/or limitations of the brand unification, with the only effect said unification appears to have on these is their being sold on Hasbro Pulse, beginning with Star Convoy.

Well, that was kind of my point. I was thinking that the fact that these will be sold to the USA as well might have changed up their marketing strategy.

That would only matter if Takara had to conform to Hasbro's more rigid size class-based packaging requirements. But, by all appearances, every Takara-original product being sold on Hasbro Pulse is just going to be a straight import with the original Japanese packaging.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But now another thought has occurred to me. The teams that Takara teased and advertised all together? Were sold as giftsets. If the Seacons are being sold singly...

Yeah. that's another curiosity that makes this very strange for Takara. If they're planning to make the whole team, there really doesn't seem to be any reason for them to not do it as another giftset. It's weird.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Just look at how much mass that Turtler has; all that retooling had to have been done well beyond the range of Hasbro's typical budget for a Voyager class figure.

Oh, definitely, but then it is an exclusive. Some of the new parts doubtless existed on the mold already, but certainly not things like the big sword and gun. And the shield has probably been made fancier.

Indeed. Further evidence that Takara made all these extensive retool changes without Hasbro's input, like when they made all new figures for Groove and Blast Off, or when they did their own unique retooling for their Technobots on top of the established pretooling that each of those molds had already had.

Just goes to show how impressive Takara can be whenever they go the extra mile by themselves.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But now another thought has occurred to me. The teams that Takara teased and advertised all together? Were sold as giftsets. If the Seacons are being sold singly...

Yeah. that's another curiosity that makes this very strange for Takara. If they're planning to make the whole team, there really doesn't seem to be any reason for them to not do it as another giftset. It's weird.

Maybe not. A giftset usually (but not always) means getting a little bit of a deal on getting multiple items all at once, instead of individually. Maybe Takara has decided to milk it this time and release each Seacon member individually as a premium release, charging a little more than usual for figures of similar sizes, so that they can get consumers to spend more money in total over an extended period of time than they would buying a complete set all at once, as in Unite Warriors. Just a thought.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sabrblade, it occurs to me that those incidences were prior to brand unification, which may have changed their strategy a bit.

From what we've seen of both the last few Legends releases and the likes of Star Convoy, Takara seems to be able to still do their own projects without Hasbro's involvement that in turn aren't subject to the terms and/or limitations of the brand unification, with the only effect said unification appears to have on these is their being sold on Hasbro Pulse, beginning with Star Convoy.

Well, that was kind of my point. I was thinking that the fact that these will be sold to the USA as well might have changed up their marketing strategy.

That would only matter if Takara had to conform to Hasbro's more rigid size class-based packaging requirements.

You've completely lost me on your logic there. Care to explain why having direct access to the USA market couldn't prompt a shift in marketing strategy by itself? Like, the way I see it, new direct access to a market is plenty of reason for a company to mix up its marketing strategy because now it has a new prospective customer base to woo.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But now another thought has occurred to me. The teams that Takara teased and advertised all together? Were sold as giftsets. If the Seacons are being sold singly...

Yeah. that's another curiosity that makes this very strange for Takara. If they're planning to make the whole team, there really doesn't seem to be any reason for them to not do it as another giftset. It's weird.

What about cost? It's easier to lay in money for them one at a time, especially since between the Seacons having an extra full-size member and the additional weapons for Turtler the giftset would be a costlier one than normal.

...Thinking about it, Star Convoy and Armada Optimus could also be factors - perhaps the Seacons are being worked on one at a time for now because of the resources currently allocated to the development of those two.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Just look at how much mass that Turtler has; all that retooling had to have been done well beyond the range of Hasbro's typical budget for a Voyager class figure.

Oh, definitely, but then it is an exclusive. Some of the new parts doubtless existed on the mold already, but certainly not things like the big sword and gun. And the shield has probably been made fancier.

Indeed. Further evidence that Takara made all these extensive retool changes without Hasbro's input, like when they made all new figures for Groove and Blast Off, or when they did their own unique retooling for their Technobots on top of the established pretooling that each of those molds had already had.[/quote]
Actually, with the Technobots Takara outright retooled different molds for three of them. Lightspeed was retooled from the Wheeljack version of the Breakdown mold instead of being a Streetwise redeco, Nosecone was retooled from Rook instead of Brawl, and Strafe was retooled from Shuttle!Blast Off.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Actually, with the Technobots Takara outright retooled different molds for three of them. Lightspeed was retooled from the Wheeljack version of the Breakdown mold instead of being a Streetwise redeco, Nosecone was retooled from Rook instead of Brawl, and Strafe was retooled from Shuttle!Blast Off.

That's what I said. Takara's Technobots had additional unique retooling done to their molds on top of the pretooling that each of those molds had already had made for them by Hasbro:

• Silverbolt --> Hasbro Scattershot --> Takara Scattershot
• Wheeljack --> Counterpunch --> Lightspeed
• Rook --> Ironclad --> Nosecone

(since Strafe and Afterburner were made from Takara's original molds, they didn't have the same kind of pretooling done to them that the Hasbro molds did)

What do you think would make for the best retools into Seacons Sabr? Just if, if they did make that set.

Always have a soft spot for Seacons I got the gift set for my bday as a kid gets me giddy thinking about a whole Piranhacon. I don’t like the King blah blah jazz I will always think Piranhacon is one of the coolest gestalt names.

00Stargrave00 wrote:What do you think would make for the best retools into Seacons Sabr? Just if, if they did make that set.

Always have a soft spot for Seacons I got the gift set for my bday as a kid gets me giddy thinking about a whole Piranhacon. I don’t like the King blah blah jazz I will always think Piranhacon is one of the coolest gestalt names.

They are organic based designs so it would have to be the monsterbots or dinobots, unless we get some fully new molds.

william-james88 wrote:

00Stargrave00 wrote:What do you think would make for the best retools into Seacons Sabr? Just if, if they did make that set.

Always have a soft spot for Seacons I got the gift set for my bday as a kid gets me giddy thinking about a whole Piranhacon. I don’t like the King blah blah jazz I will always think Piranhacon is one of the coolest gestalt names.

They are organic based designs so it would have to be the monsterbots or dinobots, unless we get some fully new molds.

I believe we will either get 4/5 retools, or 2/3 retools and a new mold that itself is used twice in 2 different toolings.

Seacons!!!

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Turtler!

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GULF!!!

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KING POSEIDON!!!!!

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