Amazon Listing for IDW Transformers: Unicron TPB

A revenge story? So will thus be a riff of the original take of primus v unicron after all

ZeroWolf wrote:A revenge story? So will thus be a riff of the original take of primus v unicron after all

If so, that is both disappointing and creatively, lazy as hell.

There could be some room to maneuver depending on specifics.

"...must unite every Cybertronian, Earthling, and ally they have..."

Clearly this means the most important hero in the universe will be showing up.

...and the bear is who?

Nikomi the Space Knight!

(whose full history can be read here https://www.allspark.com/2018/06/the-al ... d-issue-1/)

Daniel Adkins wrote:Nikomi the Space Knight!

(whose full history can be read here https://www.allspark.com/2018/06/the-al ... d-issue-1/)

Oh? I thought that was just fan art of the Hero of Time...

Either would subjugate unicron

I am interested in seeing how they set up this grudge (maybe primus took the last pancake or he framed unicron for a crime he didn't commit)

That's assuming Primus actually exists at all, and Unicron isn't just some monster that inspired the myths of Primus and Unicron.

Becuase let's be real, the IDW Universe has gone to such great lengths to keep the myths and religion of Cybertron vague and unconfirmed that outright saying "Yes, Primus the all-powerful deity and creator of the Cybertronian race, really does exist" would be... kinda lame.

Daniel Adkins wrote:That's assuming Primus actually exists at all, and Unicron isn't just some monster that inspired the myths of Primus and Unicron.

Becuase let's be real, the IDW Universe has gone to such great lengths to keep the myths and religion of Cybertron vague and unconfirmed that outright saying "Yes, Primus the all-powerful deity and creator of the Cybertronian race, really does exist" would be... kinda lame.

Agreed.

Ah but then who would unicron be getting revenge on unless...unicron here was actually megatronus but changed beyond all recognition. Sort of like how Mr sinister turned into Apocalypse in ultimate x men.

ZeroWolf wrote:Ah but then who would unicron be getting revenge on unless...unicron here was actually megatronus but changed beyond all recognition. Sort of like how Mr sinister turned into Apocalypse in ultimate x men.

Has Megatronus/The Fallen even been in IDWverse?



Besides, this text more or less contradicts that trade description

Transmission from Cybertron core:
Welcome.
Death.

Makes me a little skeptical of how valid the blurb actually is

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Ah but then who would unicron be getting revenge on unless...unicron here was actually megatronus but changed beyond all recognition. Sort of like how Mr sinister turned into Apocalypse in ultimate x men.

Has Megatronus/The Fallen even been in IDWverse?

Yeah. Check out OP #10 and #18.

We'll have a definitive answer soon enough but it would be nice to have issue 1 start filling in the blanks.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Ah but then who would unicron be getting revenge on unless...unicron here was actually megatronus but changed beyond all recognition. Sort of like how Mr sinister turned into Apocalypse in ultimate x men.

Has Megatronus/The Fallen even been in IDWverse?



Besides, this text more or less contradicts that trade description

Transmission from Cybertron core:
Welcome.
Death.

Makes me a little skeptical of how valid the blurb actually is

Megatronus and the other 13 are just regular robots. They don’t have Primus origins or connections to unicron. They were given their title by shockwave who traveled into the past and manipulated everything g

I see, thanks. So far the most interesting part of this Unicron is that Cybertron summoned him when it was in danger. Couple that with his first line "I hunger", really doesn't remotely suggest a quest for revenge. Unless they suddenly drop the ball and lean heavy into the naff Primus/Unicron angle.
I really hope this isn't the case, given how well they did at reinventing Overlord and Thunderwing.

It all hinges on backstory and as to how that particular alarm was created and by whom. My current thoughts is that it is a revenge story just not unicrons, and that there's a third player involved but this is all conjecture so I'll trust barber and co that they know what they're doing.

ZeroWolf wrote:It all hinges on backstory and as to how that particular alarm was created and by whom. My current thoughts is that it is a revenge story just not unicrons, and that there's a third player involved but this is all conjecture so I'll trust barber and co that they know what they're doing.

As long as he isn't Shockwave... again

The weekend brings us not, not two, but three previews for new comics from the Transformers universe (and what is left from the Hasbro Universe too, I suppose) of IDW Publishing comics!

Finally, we have our first preview for the first full issue of the ast mini-series in this narrative universe: Unicron #1 is here. Featuring writing by John Barber, art by Alex Milne and Sebastian Cheng, the pages below come directly from IDW. Check them out, and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!

The Darkest Hour has come. Optimus Prime stages a desperate gamble as the world-eater, Unicron, approaches Windblade’s homeworld—but that’s just the appetizer. The main course is Cybertron (with a side of Earth)… and it’s starting to look like no force in the galaxy can stop the end from coming.

So primus vs unicron it is though I was expecting more back story then that and I am wondering if there's more than what's being said. Also I thought they had no info on him...

Also on the San Diego Comic Con 2018 news front, we have the official press release from IDW Publishing directy, about their various exclusive items and variant covers for the show later in July. All the pre-orders have nothing to do with Transformers, so we've snipped out all the Jack Kirby stuff - if you're interested, take a browse on their official site - and enjoy a look at the Alex Milne wrap-around cover art for the deathbringer himself on the 1 in 500 cover for Unicron #1 below!

Note: we had already seen this image, but flipped. Stay tuned for more Unicron news from IDW Publishing during their panel at SDCC!

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Transformers: Unicron #1
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ZeroWolf wrote:So primus vs unicron it is though I was expecting more back story then that and I am wondering if there's more than what's being said. Also I thought they had no info on him...

There’s gotta be more. Probably the final issue of the Falling because optimus is saying this like he knows all this but in issue 0 they say his name and everyone-Optimus especially- is like “who? What is this thing?” And here it’s “so here’s unicron, hes robot Satan, our god Primus fought and defeated him” so I imagine the falling ends with a ton of exposition by shockwave. And look! You can see shockwaves ship under unicron which is kinda bumming because that means shockwave is allied with him? Maybe it’s just ledge Maximo? I can hope.

I just realized I thought that was Cybertron he’s approaching and thought “well that was quick” that’s caminus!” The gas giant behind it was throwing me off and the fact it’s a metal world but no, that’s caminus.

Also Primus is totally colored wrong.

I didn't see shockwaves ship there, good catch. Is the falling finished in this issue of op?

ZeroWolf wrote:I didn't see shockwaves ship there, good catch. Is the falling finished in this issue of op?

Unfortunately no there’s like 2 issues left. The scheduling is really bad right now. They should just delay unicro . The 2 issues a month was canceled so we’re kinda getting an overlapping story here not unlike Revelation/all hail megatron/maximum dinobits and that suuuuuuucked so bad ten years ago

I think we can conclude Antilla and Unicron are one in the same. Didn’t seem coincidence that Anitlla orbits a black hole and unicron awakens around one and has a very organic body.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Unless they suddenly drop the ball and lean heavy into the naff Primus/Unicron angle.

I called it... How incredibly disappointing and EXTREMELY lazy of Roberts. I might drop my subscription to this series now

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Unless they suddenly drop the ball and lean heavy into the naff Primus/Unicron angle.

I called it... How incredibly disappointing and EXTREMELY lazy of Roberts. I might drop my subscription to this series now

Roberts isn’t the writer...

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Unless they suddenly drop the ball and lean heavy into the naff Primus/Unicron angle.

I called it... How incredibly disappointing and EXTREMELY lazy of Roberts. I might drop my subscription to this series now

Roberts isn’t the writer...

Shouldn't flick between two tabs while writing...

Oh well, I suppose this hammers home why the Reboot came to be in the first place. D-Void may have been terrible, but at least it was something different. Much like the previously stated reinvention of Thunderwing, Overlord etc

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: Unless they suddenly drop the ball and lean heavy into the naff Primus/Unicron angle.

I called it... How incredibly disappointing and EXTREMELY lazy of Roberts. I might drop my subscription to this series now

Roberts isn’t the writer...

Shouldn't flick between two tabs while writing...

Oh well, I suppose this hammers home why the Reboot came to be in the first place. D-Void may have been terrible, but at least it was something different. Much like the previously stated reinvention of Thunderwing, Overlord etc

Not really. D-void was just unicron that wasn’t called unicron. Anti-life godlike being that was sleeping till it woke up and screamed I hunger and used Galvatron, scourge and Cyclonus as proxy’s to destroy cybertron and all life in the universe.

Yeeeeeeeah...very different.

I was thinking more conceptually, as a Gestalt of Sweeps. Clearly a lot of that era had been omitted from memory.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I was thinking more conceptually, as a Gestalt of Sweeps. Clearly a lot of that era had been omitted from memory.

Was probably on purpose chaos wasn't that great. Imagine if barber was able to retcon d-void into being an aspect of unicron?

This does seem very bad scheduling, aside from completism, there's no point in the storyline as you know the fates of characters before its revealed.

ZeroWolf wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I was thinking more conceptually, as a Gestalt of Sweeps. Clearly a lot of that era had been omitted from memory.

Was probably on purpose chaos wasn't that great. Imagine if barber was able to retcon d-void into being an aspect of unicron?

This does seem very bad scheduling, aside from completism, there's no point in the storyline as you know the fates of characters before its revealed.

Well the DeceptiGod wasn’t even d-void. It just used the energies of Cybertron and the decepticon loyalty of all the Decepticons to its advantage to force the Decepticons to combine. It was just a pawn too.

I'll buy it when it comes out for sure, I still highly enjoy IDW's TF comics, but much like with Unicron #0 I probably won't be reading it until it lines up with the latest issue of Optimus Prime.

Guys, just because Optimus Prime tells the "story" of Unicron, that doesn't make it true. Hell, we still don't know whether or not the Guiding Hand was real or not. Especially when the solicit for issue 3 literally says the character discover what Unicron is.

Daniel Adkins wrote:Guys, just because Optimus Prime tells the "story" of Unicron, that doesn't make it true. Hell, we still don't know whether or not the Guiding Hand was real or not. Especially when the solicit for issue 3 literally says the character discover what Unicron is.

Problem is this story jars with what was said in unicron 0 where no one knew him. Also it's a bit daft to tell one tale which the characters have never heard of just to do a fake out and say: "hah that wasn't real!" Plus I think unicron 3 may just reveal that unicron is a giant tf.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Guys, just because Optimus Prime tells the "story" of Unicron, that doesn't make it true. Hell, we still don't know whether or not the Guiding Hand was real or not. Especially when the solicit for issue 3 literally says the character discover what Unicron is.

Problem is this story jars with what was said in unicron 0 where no one knew him. Also it's a bit daft to tell one tale which the characters have never heard of just to do a fake out and say: "hah that wasn't real!" Plus I think unicron 3 may just reveal that unicron is a giant tf.

EXCEPT for the fact that one of the biggest recurring themes in this universe is that myths, legends, and religions ARE FALSE. From the Guiding Hand to the Thirteen, every major myth or legend about Cybertron is at best unconfirmed and at worst outright revealed to be lies.
As for Unicron #0, if I may compare it to my own religion for a second, if I saw a firey wheel with wings and eyes all over it, I would say “holy crap, what the hell is that?” I of course know that flaming wheel with wings and eyes is a description of a Biblical angel (seriously, look it up) but that wouldn’t be the first thought to pop in my head. I 100% believe that everyone took Unicron as “a giant fricking planet is eating another planet.” Before they thought about a religion that most of the bots on board don’t even practice.

To be fair, the necrobot turned out to be true I do understand what your saying but it's a dangerous thing to keep pulling the same trick. Though having thought about it, the legends have been true in a sense, i mean the thirteen existed, it's just that shockwave created them.

If all this means though they are going the primacon route though then I'll not be happy. I'll happily take him as the robo satan then the creation of a monkey.

No offense, ZeroWolf, but I think you’re letting your knowledge of past lore cloud your judgement. You assume it’s going to be Primus vs Unicron, you assume it’s going to be Primacron, but the one thing you don’t assume is that it’s just going to be something new.

Honestly, I’m so tired of TF fandom never wanting anything new. Everything has to be an homage or a reference or pulled from something else. Especially when the IDW universe has always predicated itself on reinventing and subverting character interpretations: Galvatron isn’t Megatron, Elita One is a ruthless warlord, Ultra Magnus is tiny dude with a mustache. And it’s by thinking outside the box that IDW has been so successful.

Oh I love new things, I'm a staunch defender of the new characters we got in combiner wars, even if they never got a chance to shine like Rook, and alpha bravo. However I can easily see hasbro leaning in here and giving advice on what to do with unicron. I want to be wrong, I want a new take but I'm pessimistic in what's going to happen. Id much prefer a more lovecraftian approach to unicron.

Now that issue aside there's been something else that's been making me think. We know from future solicitations that the dire wraiths are stadding against the bots but the bestial army comment in this preview makes me wonder if all the beast formers that were with onyx wave are now working for unicron...

Uh, we actually have had NO word on Dire Wraiths appearing in this at all. Now, there are those guys who have Unicron horns that make them resemble Vekktral and his crew, but they actually shapeshifted to distinguish himself from the other Dire Wraiths (becuase Alex Milne just felt like drawing something different.) As a reminder, here’s what Dire Wraiths are actually supposed to look like.

Okay that's a little confusing but thank you for the clear up

Daniel Adkins wrote:

Honestly, I’m so tired of TF fandom never wanting anything new. Everything has to be an homage or a reference or pulled from something else. Especially when the IDW universe has always predicated itself on reinventing and subverting character interpretations: Galvatron isn’t Megatron, Elita One is a ruthless warlord, Ultra Magnus is tiny dude with a mustache. And it’s by thinking outside the box that IDW has been so successful.

Couldn't agree more. G1 is a noose around the neck of this series, preventing it from growing into something more. IDWverse began with reinvention yet over the years they have heavily backpeddled at times. AHM was the biggest example but there have been others. It went as far as Barber and Roberts chose to write the stories they wanted to, under the banner and skin of "Transformers", yet still fell back on the same tired tropes.

The fact they mentioned this "legend" was an outright bad idea. To even mention it, I don't see them deviating with Unicron in the same way as with Galvatron or Thunderwing. Time will tell, yet from this preview alone, I am very skeptical now.

Also, Ultra Magnus was reinvented twice in IDWverse. First as "Judge Dredd in Space" which seemed an awesome concept. Then as a fake suit with a tiny mustached Bot inside.

To be fair the idea that he was just someone in the suit didn't lessen the dredd in space idea as
It just meant that the guy who was dredd bite the big one somewhere along the line. Makes sense to me anyway besides um started off as someone in armour though dw stated it was just a white prime in the armour, going very toy accurate with that.

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair the idea that he was just someone in the suit didn't lessen the dredd in space idea as
It just meant that the guy who was dredd bite the big one somewhere along the line. Makes sense to me anyway besides um started off as someone in armour though dw stated it was just a white prime in the armour, going very toy accurate with that.

Of course it lessened the idea, his entire personality was changed and diluted. How would it make sense for the character introduced through his Spotlight in 2007 to have died offpanel between Escalation and Last Stand of The Wreckers? (all of these events set chronologically within a year or so)
The MTMTE mustached Bot was in a suit of armour, nothing written prior even remotely suggested the actual Ultra Magnus was.

He could have easily died before he got on the lost light besides he had some good monents, he just learned to loosen up as well. Also to be fair tryest also didn't like how up himself he got, hence why he wanted to replace him with legislators. As I've said though I'm okay with the change and don't think it lessens anything but then being a dwarfer, I like the homage to ace rimmer your milage may vary

I thought Thunderclash was supposed to be Ace Rimmer?

At the end of the day, it's a cop-out. Clearly Roberts didn't want to write Judge Dredd in Space, he wanted to write about OCD bureaucrat with an inferiority complex.

Maybe the New continuity will give us an Ultra Magnus that lives upto the pedigree of the name, not a Joke Pretender Shell

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The MTMTE mustached Bot was in a suit of armour, nothing written prior even remotely suggested the actual Ultra Magnus was.

I might be in the minority on this, but I never got used to Minimus Ambus. Any time I saw Magnus on the page, I saw Ultra Magnus. Whenever I read his dialogue, Robert Stack's voice was in my head. That's not being a Geewunner, because I don't have a problem with the concept of Minimus Ambus. I just never got used to it. Maybe the old version is too ingrained in my memories. Ironically, back in G1 I didn't like the Magnus character much, but I like IDW's characterization of him. Also, I thought the "white Prime in the armor" concept was cool, especially the way it was revealed.

Little bot in a suit of Armour = Pretender.

Transformers Lore 101.

If they had Robocop'd him, that would have been a different story (and not a bad idea, actually). I generally found while reading the dialogue of MTMTE/LL, I couldn't "hear" the character voices saying those lines. It all goes with the general disconnect I had with the ongoings post-DoOP.

I said ace rimmer because of what was revealed in season 7 of red dwarf, namely that the original ace was dead and that a sucession of rimmers took the mantle. Though now I type this I'm also reminded that an old comic hero has done this before...the ghost that walks...the Phantom. Regardless there's also another possibility in play regarding magnus, that of he didn't have a place really post death of Optimus Prime. Barber clearly had plans for rid, and magnus didn't fit in any of them. Prowl, bee and Starscream were the big players of pre-dark cybertron robots in disguise. Roberts was the only one who had an idea of what to do with him.

Now there was an option of doing nothing with him but fans would kick off that a character like um wasnt getting used, so he had to be used...

I suspect we'll get a different take on him next time anyway but I do want to see more of an animated slant again, with him being higher then op in the chain of command. If they do the white prime thing then I want a good storyline why.

ZeroWolf wrote: Regardless there's also another possibility in play regarding magnus, that of he didn't have a place really post death of Optimus Prime.

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