All New Legacy Evolution Wave 1 Toys have been found at US Retail

I saw just Leo Prime in 2 different Targets yesterday, so apparently every Tarn is selling as soon as he hits the shelf, while Derpy the cross-eyed chimera will be this year's dedicated shelfwarmer.

Still, for me, the most disappointing Lio Convoy toy is the MP, because it didn't come with Artemis as promised; if it had, I'd have bought it. Maybe her exclusion invoked some divine curse that will make all of his subsequent toys letdowns until it's lifted. There's precedent: Ironhide suffered a curse that prevented his ever getting a proper toy for decades, even screwing up his Masterpiece, right?

Maybe he'll end up having crossover appeal with Narnia fans who collected toys from The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe movie, but were disappointed Aslan didn't stick to the books' coloration.

Bumblevivisector wrote:I saw just Leo Prime in 2 different Targets yesterday, so apparently every Tarn is selling as soon as he hits the shelf, while Derpy the cross-eyed chimera will be this year's dedicated shelfwarmer.

Still, for me, the most disappointing Lio Convoy toy is the MP, because it didn't come with Artemis as promised; if it had, I'd have bought it. Maybe her exclusion invoked some divine curse that will make all of his subsequent toys letdowns until it's lifted. There's precedent: Ironhide suffered a curse that prevented his ever getting a proper toy for decades, even screwing up his Masterpiece, right?

Maybe he'll end up having crossover appeal with Narnia fans who collected toys from The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe movie, but were disappointed Aslan didn't stick to the books' coloration.

The case is 2 Leo primes and 1 Tarn. So if you only saw 1leo prime at either of those locations, then it sold as well as Tarn.

william-james88 wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:I saw just Leo Prime in 2 different Targets yesterday, so apparently every Tarn is selling as soon as he hits the shelf, while Derpy the cross-eyed chimera will be this year's dedicated shelfwarmer.

Still, for me, the most disappointing Lio Convoy toy is the MP, because it didn't come with Artemis as promised; if it had, I'd have bought it. Maybe her exclusion invoked some divine curse that will make all of his subsequent toys letdowns until it's lifted. There's precedent: Ironhide suffered a curse that prevented his ever getting a proper toy for decades, even screwing up his Masterpiece, right?

Maybe he'll end up having crossover appeal with Narnia fans who collected toys from The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe movie, but were disappointed Aslan didn't stick to the books' coloration.

The case is 2 Leo primes and 1 Tarn. So if you only saw 1leo prime at either of those locations, then it sold as well as Tarn.

Matter of fact, one Target had 2, the other had 1.

More telling, I didn't see any Earthspark yesterday, which all my local Targets did get a few cases of this month. There are still supply chain issues, but IDR the last time toys for a current TF toon got cleaned out that thoroughly that fast after release, leaving the smattering of last year's Legacy and SS offerings to tell the tale.

Plenty of elbow room for those deluxes, and all the Leo Primes looked ready to stretch out, relax, and enjoy the shelf space as long as possible. I might still get him next sale.

My Targets are getting Earthspark as well, and they are just sitting. Much like Cyberverse before it.

The one thing I thought was crazy was that a few weeks ago, the SS Voyager Ironhide/Galvatron cases were clogging my Target shelves as well. They all finally sold thanks to sales. So I was hoping they'd make room for Legacy Evolution. Nope, they ordered more cases of SS Ironhide and Galvatron

o.supreme wrote:My Targets are getting Allspark as well, and they are just sitting. Much like Cyberverse before it.

The one thing I thought was crazy was that a few weeks ago, the SS Voyager Ironhide/Galvatron cases were clogging my Target shelves as well. They all finally sold thanks to sales. So I was hoping they'd make room for Legacy Evolution. Nope, they ordered more cases of SS Ironhide and Galvatron

I think that we as collectors have unrealistic expectations for how toys are expected to move. Target did their reset what, two weeks ago? I don't think that's unrealistic for a case, and case assortments go months between. This also isn't as time-bound as movie products. Heck, Lightyear merch has been sitting on shelves for the better part of a year!

As for Legacy Evolution, didn't someone say they haven't even been coded in Target's system yet? I guess what I'm trying to get to is: be patient, it's still early, we'll see them soon.

AcademyofDrX wrote:As for Legacy Evolution, didn't someone say they haven't even been coded in Target's system yet? I guess what I'm trying to get to is: be patient, it's still early, we'll see them soon.

That must have been fixed, well sort of, but in a good way. I found Tarn and Leo yesterday at Target (I already have Leo from Amazon). Oddly enough they were both hanging on a peg for Generations Voyager showing $29.99 that was newly put in place. Something else was on that peg last week. Went to the scanner and it also said $29.99, so I immediate bought Tarn and cancelled my Amazon pre-order.

Bumblevivisector wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:I saw just Leo Prime in 2 different Targets yesterday, so apparently every Tarn is selling as soon as he hits the shelf, while Derpy the cross-eyed chimera will be this year's dedicated shelfwarmer.

Still, for me, the most disappointing Lio Convoy toy is the MP, because it didn't come with Artemis as promised; if it had, I'd have bought it. Maybe her exclusion invoked some divine curse that will make all of his subsequent toys letdowns until it's lifted. There's precedent: Ironhide suffered a curse that prevented his ever getting a proper toy for decades, even screwing up his Masterpiece, right?

Maybe he'll end up having crossover appeal with Narnia fans who collected toys from The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe movie, but were disappointed Aslan didn't stick to the books' coloration.

The case is 2 Leo primes and 1 Tarn. So if you only saw 1leo prime at either of those locations, then it sold as well as Tarn.

Matter of fact, one Target had 2, the other had 1.

More telling, I didn't see any Earthspark yesterday, which all my local Targets did get a few cases of this month. There are still supply chain issues, but IDR the last time toys for a current TF toon got cleaned out that thoroughly that fast after release, leaving the smattering of last year's Legacy and SS offerings to tell the tale.

Plenty of elbow room for those deluxes, and all the Leo Primes looked ready to stretch out, relax, and enjoy the shelf space as long as possible. I might still get him next sale.

Haha, so at least one Leo Prime sold. As for Earthspark, the initial batch sold very well too where I am but we did get them before Christmas so it wasn't unusual.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I think that we as collectors have unrealistic expectations for how toys are expected to move. Target did their reset what, two weeks ago? I don't think that's unrealistic for a case, and case assortments go months between. This also isn't as time-bound as movie products. Heck, Lightyear merch has been sitting on shelves for the better part of a year!

As for Legacy Evolution, didn't someone say they haven't even been coded in Target's system yet? I guess what I'm trying to get to is: be patient, it's still early, we'll see them soon.

Some Targets still haven't done their reset yet. Some have. I don't see pegs for Legacy Anything at most of them. For me it's not about patience. I'm in no hurry. It's about wanting retailers to do better. I've got everything I want already from Legacy Evolution Wave 1 thanks to Amazon except for Scrapbook. If I see him at retail first, sobe it, and I'll cancel my Amazon pre order. If it ships from Amazon first, oh well, Target loses a sale. As for movie lines like Lightyear and Avatar, those are the biggest wastes of money. I don't expect companies to stop making them, but when even kids don't buy the product and it wastes space until it's clearanced out, you think somebody would catch on.

o.supreme wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I think that we as collectors have unrealistic expectations for how toys are expected to move. Target did their reset what, two weeks ago? I don't think that's unrealistic for a case, and case assortments go months between. This also isn't as time-bound as movie products. Heck, Lightyear merch has been sitting on shelves for the better part of a year!

As for Legacy Evolution, didn't someone say they haven't even been coded in Target's system yet? I guess what I'm trying to get to is: be patient, it's still early, we'll see them soon.

Some Targets still haven't done their reset yet. Some have. I don't see pegs for Legacy Anything at most of them. For me it's not about patience. I'm in no hurry. It's about wanting retailers to do better. I've got everything I want already from Legacy Evolution Wave 1 thanks to Amazon except for Scrapbook. If I see him at retail first, sobe it, and I'll cancel my Amazon pre order. If it ships from Amazon first, oh well, Target loses a sale. As for movie lines like Lightyear and Avatar, those are the biggest wastes of money. I don't expect companies to stop making them, but when even kids don't buy the product and it wastes space until it's clearanced out, you think somebody would catch on.

Some movies' toys are successful, some aren't. Licensors and toymakers are not going to stop pushing new product lines for fear of failure, they're going to keep doing it fl in hope of success. As for retailers, they have much bigger problems to worry about than optimizing their distribution of action figures to steal preorder sales from Amazon. I don't worry about the toy manufacturing, distribution, and sales supply chains since it's all a mess and it doesn't have anything to do with me.

I got my first of the Evolution sub-title last night. I got Hot Shot using a gift card from Christmas plus I needed him for free shipping for my Dad's new phone case.

He isn't bad, he's interesting for sure. I'm uncertain about his alt mode, it feels too chubby width wise and short height wise. And his robot mode is a bit weird too, the elbows feel a bit too high, and he really needed wrists. And his engine gun is a bit annoying with the pair of offset pegs.

But he seems neat. He has a lot of fun little gimmicky things on him like the axel-zooka and goggles.

So he's fun, he's interesting, but he's also a bit weird.

Meanwhile, I'm still seeing nothing but wave 1 of Legacy....

Just got an email from Pulse that the first Deluxe wave of Evolution is about to ship. Tarn arrives tomorrow.

Picked up Tarn at Target on Wednesday. Leo Prime was there too, but I only had the funds for one of em.

I was alerted as well that Breakdown was about to ship (the sole deluxe preorder I did).

Question I’ve been wanting to ask, has anyone seen Inferno or TM2 Megaton on shelves yet?

Ig89ninja wrote:Question I’ve been wanting to ask, has anyone seen Inferno or TM2 Megaton on shelves yet?

Nope! Nothing after Wave 2

Ig89ninja wrote:Question I’ve been wanting to ask, has anyone seen Inferno or TM2 Megaton on shelves yet?

I haven't, and it's peculiar. I have an Evolution figure in hand from the shelf of Target, but those guys seem to be available only on Amazon. I at least want Starscream and Inferno.

They claimed at one point all the Legacy Leader Class figures will be available this year as well, so perhaps you'll eventually see the TM2 Megatron while I still wait for the repaint.

Ig89ninja wrote:Question I’ve been wanting to ask, has anyone seen Inferno or TM2 Megaton on shelves yet?

I clocked a couple Infernos in early January and picked one up for myself, besides that alls been quiet and no other sightings of either RiP

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:As for Legacy Evolution, didn't someone say they haven't even been coded in Target's system yet? I guess what I'm trying to get to is: be patient, it's still early, we'll see them soon.

That must have been fixed, well sort of, but in a good way. I found Tarn and Leo yesterday at Target (I already have Leo from Amazon). Oddly enough they were both hanging on a peg for Generations Voyager showing $29.99 that was newly put in place. Something else was on that peg last week. Went to the scanner and it also said $29.99, so I immediate bought Tarn and cancelled my Amazon pre-order.

My local Targets also have the Evolution voyagers priced at $29.99. I didn't need more justification to buy Tarn, but it was a pleasant surprise.

Ig89ninja wrote:Question I’ve been wanting to ask, has anyone seen Inferno or TM2 Megaton on shelves yet?

Only at my local independent geek store.

So I got Tarn and lio convoy, and I think Tarn might be my figure of the year, I haven't put him down since I've opened him, he's so good - like Jhiaxus good

I don't know how long this has been up but on Hasbro Pulse you can preorder Breakdown again with a ship date on or around February 1st.



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People who got those early preorders on BBTS of Metalhawk and Twincast are reporting on social media and TFW that the listings in their cart have now updated with images, meaning an early sneak peek at the two of them: I wasn't expecting a Cyclonus retool for Metalhawk, but honestly that looks great to me (yay no weird human face), and I guess I'll be getting Twincast since Rewind is a necessity (which is probably why they paired him with Twincast).

This year's Voyagers are just gonna be weirdly light on new molds I guess, though, seeing as how everyone else we have listed other than the Junkion is a repaint (Nemesis Leo), repack (Dirge & Ramjet), or strongly suspected to be a retool (Bludgeon).

Nemesis Primal wrote:People who got those early preorders on BBTS of Metalhawk and Twincast are reporting on social media and TFW that the listings in their cart have now updated with images, meaning an early sneak peek at the two of them:

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I wasn't expecting a Cyclonus retool for Metalhawk, but honestly that looks great to me (yay no weird human face), and I guess I'll be getting Twincast since Rewind is a necessity (which is probably why they paired him with Twincast).

Does the Cyclonus base suggest his alt-mode will be comics-inspired rather than based on Masterforce?

I have the TR version so I think I should skip this one, even though it's a much closer likeness.

Well, Metalhawk is a bit disappointing. I'm glad he doesn't have a human face, but I was really hoping the voyager price would be for giving him some form of shell (either Magnus style armor, or actual shell) and he'd be either standard deluxe size or slightly smaller. Still going to get him, but my hype for tomorrow is riding on them revealing Grimlock for Volcanicus

Nemesis Primal wrote:People who got those early preorders on BBTS of Metalhawk and Twincast are reporting on social media and TFW that the listings in their cart have now updated with images, meaning an early sneak peek at the two of them:

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I wasn't expecting a Cyclonus retool for Metalhawk, but honestly that looks great to me (yay no weird human face), and I guess I'll be getting Twincast since Rewind is a necessity (which is probably why they paired him with Twincast).

This year's Voyagers are just gonna be weirdly light on new molds I guess, though, seeing as how everyone else we have listed other than the Junkion is a repaint (Nemesis Leo), repack (Dirge & Ramjet), or strongly suspected to be a retool (Bludgeon).

Well, that's entirely unexpected: A Cyclonus retool. Who would have predicted that.

Very interesting, that's for sure. He is exceedingly accurate to the cartoon, I'll give them that.

A Cyclonus retool for Metalhawk? Maybe it's not really a "retool" but just shared engineering?

As for Twincast, I don't want him at all, but I do want Rewind. This means that Rewind will be quite expensive...

I must be psychic or something, because waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2012 when it was first known that BotCon 2012 would have a Deluxe class Metalhawk toy, but before it was known that it was going to use the Generations Thunderwing mold, I kept insisting that Universe 2008 Cyclonus would have been the perfect mold to use for an inner robot Metalhawk toy.

And now, lo and behold, just over a decade later, Hasbro finally makes that suggestion a reality with the Kingdom Cyclonus mold.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A Cyclonus retool for Metalhawk? Maybe it's not really a "retool" but just shared engineering?

I compared him to Kingdom Cyclonus, and Metalhawk reuses the shoulders and upper legs at the very least. He's not a retool in the strictest sense of the term, rather him reusing parts makes him a "partial".

-Kanrabat- wrote:A Cyclonus retool for Metalhawk? Maybe it's not really a "retool" but just shared engineering?

As for Twincast, I don't want him at all, but I do want Rewind. This means that Rewind will be quite expensive...

Those shoulders and thighs are 100% Cyclonus'.

metalhawk does look more toonish but not sure if I'd want him. Probably pick him up though for my pretend pretenders. still a shame no consistancy on size with them.

Twincast is a pass unless they maybe do netflix soundwave as new soundwave, I've not even got the shattered glass versions yet so he's wayback on my list of things to get either way.

Twincast is neat, I like the colors. I wish he would get some fiction so I would like him more like Soundblaster.

Metalhawk being a partial Cyclonus is disappointing, that is probably my 2nd least favorite WFC voyager mold. At least if I don't want him or get him, I still have the TR one.

Hot Shot continues to baffle. I just can't get a good read on him. I am happy with him, he's just weird.

Thanks to Big Bad Toy Store, we have news that those who managed to get in a preorder for the Legacy Voyager class Twincast and Metalhawk prior to the listings being taken down have been given a sneak peak at both figures robot modes.

Twincast is a straightforward repaint of Blaster in Headmaster's Twincast colors, complete with his gun and Rewind to complement the original Eject. Notably, this is the first generations update for Twincast, as unlike Soundblaster he has remained more obscure in the modern Transformers world.

Metalhawk is a bit more interesting, seeing as he appears to be a retool of Kingdom Cyclonus, with a robot mode focus in on his inner pretender shell robot form, with no "fleshy human" components like his old Botcon toy.

Both of these toys are anticipated to be revealed during tomorrow's Transformers livestream, starting at 11:00 AM EST.

Check out the pictures below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hot Shot continues to baffle. I just can't get a good read on him. I am happy with him, he's just weird.

At 1st I wasn't impressed with him, he seemed just ok. I definitely think his vehicle mode could be better, it's too flat. And I have the Universe version with which I'm satisfied.

But the more shots of him I see, the more he's growing on me, especially in robot mode. If I see him in stores, I'll probably pick him up. Jolt would have been nice, I gladly would have paid voyager price if the little guy was included.

Metalhawk looks nice. Twincast is cool, but I wish I didn't have to double dip just to get Rewind (and why still with the translucent plastic??). I'd gladly pay Deluxe prices for a four pack of Blaster's cassettes (Steeljaw, Ramhorn, Sunder, Nightstalker, Stripes, Rosanna, etc).

I want Twincast purely for that Rewind in all honesty. Metalhawk looks cool, but I continue to hope for proper Pretenders one day.

I had a feeling they'd do Twincast later down the line, and I'll happily pick him up. I have Soundwave(Netflix version) and Blaster, but now I'll finally have the appropriate rival for my Soundblaster toy.
Also that Metalhawk looks pretty interesting, a good amount of retooling seems to have been done, can't wait to see more photos of him.

Stormshot_Prime wrote:I want Twincast purely for that Rewind in all honesty. Metalhawk looks cool, but I continue to hope for proper Pretenders one day.

I expect lots of lone Twincasts popping up on The Bay...

Bounti76 wrote:Metalhawk looks nice. Twincast is cool, but I wish I didn't have to double dip just to get Rewind (and why still with the translucent plastic??). I'd gladly pay Deluxe prices for a four pack of Blaster's cassettes (Steeljaw, Ramhorn, Sunder, Nightstalker, Stripes, Rosanna, etc).

Gang-molded with the window in the tape deck door.

I hope rewind is sold separately eventually, and if not it's whatever. I have Soundblaster, Soundwave, and Blaster and I like Blaster a lot but I don't really like Twincast, rival or not. Twincast was long overdue for an updated figure though, so happy for those that want him

Metalhawk is looking pretty cool, and I'm glad that the pretenders are different sizes. This way they can seem like their own faction and have some diversity, rather than all being core or all deluxe or all voyager. That would be so boring. Decepticon pretenders definitely need at least two more deluxes to flesh out their ranks, though. And if they do octopunch I hope he's a voyager. And of course more autobot pretenders would be needed to match up. I'm excited to see how Bludgeon ends up looking, whenever that's revealed

Twincast is as expected, but he really makes me wish we'd get a repainted Netflix Soundwave into Soundblaster. I have the two Siege repaints, but I still want a proper Headmasters Soundblaster.

Metalhawk is exactly as I expected (well, other than being based on Kingdom Cyclonus). The figure being based on the shell or including snap on armor never seemed like a possibility. We already know from BotCon that Transforming human shells just don't look right and snap on armor was never going to be an option at Voyager price unless we wanted a relatively small inner figure. From what we can see so far it looks like it'll be really good. Moving the wings from his forearms to the back of his upper arms is the right move and the further we get away from the IDW redesign the better! I suspect the alt mode will be a little closer to the Titans Return figure than anything else.

I'm really curious what his weapon will be. They don't show one in the photo, I can't imagine him coming with two guns so I'm thinking either something based on the shell's big gun or the sword.

Emerje

Logged in for the first time in 5 years to say:

I'm "those who managed to get in a preorder for the Legacy Voyager class Twincast and Metalhawk prior to the listings being taken down." - @nessingway

K. Unless something changes, See y'all in 5 more years.

Emerje wrote: Moving the wings from his forearms to the back of his upper arms is the right move and the further we get away from the IDW redesign the better!

God I forgot all about that design, I hope to never see or hear about it again after this!

Really disappointed about Metalhawk. It's the Pretender leader, sorta and Selects Cyclonus was already showing its age so I'm hoping the Hawk is good, but I doubt it.

Not sure if it's because I'm used to the TR deluxe,or just watching Masterforce a lot, but Voyager seems to big for Metalhawk but it seems that is the size Hasbro is going for for most leaders. The amount of accessories they come with or extra engineering determines if they are bumped up to Leader or Commander.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually, and if not it's whatever.

Since they're redoing the Rumble and Frenzy cassettes, do we want them to continue with the smaller mold for Blaster's? I only ask because we aren't likely to see Rewind in the Core line without something extra and I doubt they'd double up. So they would certainly have to wait and do some type of 4-pk in Generations like the past one.

Personally I think I'm in favor of waiting for the newer molds to match Rumble's new size, at least for the bots, Steeljaw and Ramhorn could possibly get by without it.

o.supreme wrote:Not sure if it's because I'm used to the TR deluxe,or just watching Masterforce a lot, but Voyager seems to big for Metalhawk but it seems that is the size Hasbro is going for for most leaders. The amount of accessories they come with or extra engineering determines if they are bumped up to Leader or Commander.

Now that you mention it, yeah, if they ever end up making new toys of Landmine/Lander, Waverider/Diver, and/or Cloudburst/Phoenix, Metalhawk will be much bigger than his pals, whom he's supposed to be the same size as.

Then again, they did also just do this same thing to Skullgrin towering over both Iguanus and Bomb-Burst, so I guess Hasbro just doesn't care, unfortunately.

Who knows, since this metalhawk is based only on the inner bot, maybe a 3rd party will make a giant shell for him or an upgrade kit to resemble the shell

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually, and if not it's whatever.

Since they're redoing the Rumble and Frenzy cassettes, do we want them to continue with the smaller mold for Blaster's? I only ask because we aren't likely to see Rewind in the Core line without something extra and I doubt they'd double up. So they would certainly have to wait and do some type of 4-pk in Generations like the past one.

Personally I think I'm in favor of waiting for the newer molds to match Rumble's new size, at least for the bots, Steeljaw and Ramhorn could possibly get by without it.

That would be awesome! Absolutely yes, bring on the core class cassettes!! I'd rather pay extra for the higher quality figures that still fit in Soundwave/Blaster, I love my minions!

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually

This will never, ever happen. Because like Eject, that cassette minion is molded WITH the voyager Blaster/Twincast.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually

This will never, ever happen. Because like Eject, that cassette minion is molded WITH the voyager Blaster/Twincast.

Unless they meant for rewind to get a Core re-do like Rumble did