Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list!
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The Knockoffs: Who wants one anyway ("I do I do," some say.) The very tempting toys...
I know that the thought of a KO 'transformer' making it in to someone's collection would turn them ill. Others buy them to have as part of their collection to kitbash, fill a void until an
original can be found, or (insert reason here).
I have to say, I am guilty of buying some of the newest G1 accurate KO's (sorry HASBRO, I promise never to do it again). I did this because I knew there would never be a NEMESIS MIRAGE made, and also because I knew getting my hands on the red version of the G1 Mirage mold was as likely to happen as me winning the lottery to be able to afford it. So I justified the purchases to myself. However you justify buying or not buying them though, the fact is these are out there, and they are taking the money of loyal TF brand buyers and in some cases deceiving them into believing they are buying an officially licensed re-issue (Deceptive seller title to avoid the HASBRO hammer of truth). Or in some other cases, buying a vintage piece (outrageous seller claim!). HASBRO has taken notice, and seem to be slowly but surely attempting to take action, but based on their blanket statement made at Botcon it seems they are more concerned with warning their purchasing public, and less worried about stopping this (and the lunchtime specials).
KO Transformers have been out forever. As long as there have been toys, there have been cheaply made KO's sold and bought (just ask ol' Spidey), and since Transformers are very popular, well, cash called and asked if you wanted to make some...but none have been this accurate, this spot on, which is what makes them so tempting.
Spotting A G1 'Vintage' Re-issue KO:
Yes, I know the title seems obvious, but some people may not know that sellers often replace 'Knock Off' with 'Re-Issue' because well, they are smart and want to sell product. Which sounds like a nicer, friendlier name to you, KNOCK OFF, or RE-ISSUE?
#1) So be leery when you see the name 'Re-issue!' in an auction title. You may be purchasing a product that you are not intending.
#2) [size=150">Price-- It seems obvious to collectors that have been around the block that getting a MINT IN SEALED BOX VINTAGE G1 Optimus Prime for $80.00 is outrageously cheap, and will never happen these days. But to the naive grandmother shopping for her grandson/daughter that may seem about right--even too much. Poor HASBRO, you lost another, and worse, you may have lost a potential money maker because this mistake was made. Poor quality in the KO, it breaks, "I'm not buying any more of those for my grandchildren" and BAM! a customer may be lost to the market or brand. I know this is extreme, and I also know seniors are not the only naive buyers out there, it was simply to make a point. The poor quality will win out, and may cause some to change their favorites because there was no reliability in a supposedly quality product (Mattel is feeling this wrath right now). HASBRO gets screwed but really had nothing to do with it. Let's not forget also that Prime is also tripley caution worthy because he has been re-issued a few times, and his ENCORE version is worth about $80 in some places.
The List of Vintage G1 Knock Offs that 'Look' and 'Feel' just like 1984-1989:
Yes, it's true they do, and they do. My Mirages feel and look just like my original--minus the dirtiness (of course, my new ones have the variant colors...).
How can one avoid them? The best way, be armed with knowledge, and ask questions. To help with the knowledge part, I am attempting to create a list of these accurate phonies with their respective repaints in hopes that it will help someone along the way make an informed choice whether to buy or not. I don't care either way, but you need to know what you are getting, or what you are not getting. There are a lot of good people on this site that can give you their thoughts about the item, thus, there is no reason for you to get taken out of your hard earned money, use it on what you intend to, not on something that was a mistake!
This is the list of Transformers marketed as possible re-issues that are not licensed re-issues that have boxart, box, specs, bubble, weapons--everything accurate to the original--even the quality [size=150">SOMETIMES.
Beachcomber
Bombshell
Brawn
Bumblebee
Buzzsaw/Lazerbeak (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, and black)
Cliffjumper
Constructicon Boxed Set
Cosmos
Frenzy/Rumble (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, black)
Gnaw (Sharkticon)
Grimlock (Normal, Clear)
Hubcap
Kickback
Lazerbeak/Buzzsaw (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, and black)
Metroplex (Normal, Metrotitan variant colors)
Mirage (Normal, Black, Clear, Red)
Optimus Prime (Normal, Normal/gold chrome**, Black***, Clear, Tan)
Outback
Powerglide*
Ratbat
Ravage
Rumble/Frenzy (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, and black)
Seaspray
Shrapnel
Slag (Normal, Clear)
Sludge (Normal, Clear)
Snarl
Sunstreaker
Swoop
Warpath
Windcharger
*
I hope someone finds this useful and makes an informed decision because of it. If there are missing TF's on the KO list let me know and I will add them. If there are more ways/tricks to spotting them, I will be glad to add them in.
Remember, be forewarned, and go shopping with knowledge!
*nope not mine, but a cool picture, nonetheless
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The saying goes "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck!" does not apply to Transformers. Transformers is a brand name that applies to a product owned by HASBRO and TAKARA/TOMY. If it has the name TRANSFORMERS it is an approved product--until now, at least--. But just because it is a transforming toy, does not put it in the category of being the official TRANSFORMERS that HASBRO and TAKARA/TOMY intend and approve to put on the market. Be careful in your shopping, be cautious, be wise, and know what you are buying.
Credit(s): tigertracks 24
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Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693435)
Posted by Maxuz Prime on May 4th, 2008 @ 10:57pm CDT
Posted by Maxuz Prime on May 4th, 2008 @ 10:57pm CDT
this thread is a great ideal. i have been tring for as long as i can remember to get g1 optimus prime for my older brother and if i ever do and find out its a KO im going to be super pissed.
i only buy from stores like wal-mart, toys r us, ect. i hope that means im not buing KO.
again great thread.
i only buy from stores like wal-mart, toys r us, ect. i hope that means im not buing KO.
again great thread.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693437)
Posted by muswp1 on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:04pm CDT
Posted by muswp1 on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:04pm CDT
I'm starting to get fed up with the KO's too. I consider myself reasonably informed about what's geniune and what's not and I'm having a hard time telling between what's a KO and what's not. Aside from the obvious (minibot KO's packaged in robot mode, the Metrotitan KO in the wrong box, etc...), it can be hard for the uninformed to spot these fakes.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693439)
Posted by muswp1 on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:05pm CDT
Someone did. It's now stuck to the top of the Toys forum.
Posted by muswp1 on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:05pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:That was my intent.
If I can get someone with powers beyond mine to sticky it, we'll be all set.
Someone did. It's now stuck to the top of the Toys forum.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693449)
Posted by timothyVritchey on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:30pm CDT
Posted by timothyVritchey on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:30pm CDT
are there any noticeable packaging differences, if so could you post visual comparison photographs.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693465)
Posted by Editor on May 5th, 2008 @ 12:01am CDT
Posted by Editor on May 5th, 2008 @ 12:01am CDT
I really am of 2 minds on this debate.
1 side:
I have bought(knowingly) a number of the KO's made recently, mostly cassettes, and the all black Prime shown in the first post. And with some the drop in quality is there, (Ratbat is really loose, and I had to take hobby tools to Primes tyres to try and fix them).
Knowing that these were fakes and that it gave me a chance to pick up some pieces that just weren't available previously I really don't mind who or how they were made, has given my collection aboost that i'm happy with.
And yes they are good for custom jobs. Clear plastic Buzzsaw + Gold weapons + Reprolabel show upgrade wing stickers = Crystal Buzzsaw full of win.
Other side:
As cool as I think it is to see fairly accurate G1 packaging on KO's, I believe this to be deceptive and cruel in the way some dealers will pass them off as originals. I tend to be rather paranoid in the first place whether pieces I'm looking at that are in good condition may be KO's regardless if they are genuine or not, and the place I buy KO's from is up front with everyone that the KO's he has are not originals. But as a fan it makes me sick to hear of some dealers or online sellers tricking/conning/lying to buyers about the pieces they are selling.
1 side:
I have bought(knowingly) a number of the KO's made recently, mostly cassettes, and the all black Prime shown in the first post. And with some the drop in quality is there, (Ratbat is really loose, and I had to take hobby tools to Primes tyres to try and fix them).
Knowing that these were fakes and that it gave me a chance to pick up some pieces that just weren't available previously I really don't mind who or how they were made, has given my collection aboost that i'm happy with.
And yes they are good for custom jobs. Clear plastic Buzzsaw + Gold weapons + Reprolabel show upgrade wing stickers = Crystal Buzzsaw full of win.
Other side:
As cool as I think it is to see fairly accurate G1 packaging on KO's, I believe this to be deceptive and cruel in the way some dealers will pass them off as originals. I tend to be rather paranoid in the first place whether pieces I'm looking at that are in good condition may be KO's regardless if they are genuine or not, and the place I buy KO's from is up front with everyone that the KO's he has are not originals. But as a fan it makes me sick to hear of some dealers or online sellers tricking/conning/lying to buyers about the pieces they are selling.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693493)
Posted by fenrir72 on May 5th, 2008 @ 1:37am CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on May 5th, 2008 @ 1:37am CDT
Buyer beware, especially via Ebay. I'd hope the sellers will label them as "near accurate" copies of the originals instead of the real thing.
I recently purchased a devastator set and Grimlock Dinobot Bommander and I am astounded by the quality. It will "almost" pass of like the real thing.
I recently purchased a devastator set and Grimlock Dinobot Bommander and I am astounded by the quality. It will "almost" pass of like the real thing.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693584)
Posted by Miguelangel on May 5th, 2008 @ 7:06am CDT
Posted by Miguelangel on May 5th, 2008 @ 7:06am CDT
It would be useful if a list of those sellers on Ebay who list KO's is made public, in order to avoid them.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693622)
Posted by Kryptikore on May 5th, 2008 @ 8:29am CDT
Posted by Kryptikore on May 5th, 2008 @ 8:29am CDT
I don't know about you guys, but knock off or not! I want one of those Optimus Pimp Primes! Bling Bling!
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693626)
Posted by TFBuyer on May 5th, 2008 @ 8:36am CDT
I've been eyeing these KOs for a while now...exactly how close to the original quality are these? I'm most interested in the clear version, as I think it would be an interesting piece to display with my G1s... I've heard they're some of the best quality KOs out there, but I've yet to take the plunge and drop $50 on one.
Posted by TFBuyer on May 5th, 2008 @ 8:36am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:[
I have to say, I am guilty of buying some of the newest G1 accurate KO's (sorry HASBRO, I promise never to do it again). I did this because I knew there would never be a NEMESIS MIRAGE made, and also because I knew getting my hands on the red version of the G1 Mirage mold was as likely to happen as me winning the lottery to be able to afford it.
I've been eyeing these KOs for a while now...exactly how close to the original quality are these? I'm most interested in the clear version, as I think it would be an interesting piece to display with my G1s... I've heard they're some of the best quality KOs out there, but I've yet to take the plunge and drop $50 on one.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693643)
Posted by dragons on May 5th, 2008 @ 9:04am CDT
good question wandering about that my self
well worth the advice and information.
ebay i wouldnt count on ebay information to much when it comes to a seller some sellers will just say anything and just take your money and not ship the itme to you and there are other sellers that are honest and loyal to the sellers.
Posted by dragons on May 5th, 2008 @ 9:04am CDT
are there any noticeable packaging differences, if so could you post visual comparison photographs.
good question wandering about that my self
well worth the advice and information.
ebay i wouldnt count on ebay information to much when it comes to a seller some sellers will just say anything and just take your money and not ship the itme to you and there are other sellers that are honest and loyal to the sellers.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693652)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 9:25am CDT
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 9:25am CDT
I had noticed on Grimlock KO eBay auctions that from the pictures its box has a typo, it says "Bommander" instead of "Commander" in his function section.
Other than that I'd really look forward to a dedicated section on this site, easily found by everyone, where all the "accurate" KOs were listed, with photos, comparison photos (to show the give-aways), and the known sellers on eBay that pass them as originals. It would be for the benefit of everyone.
I had bought a Superion and Devastator KO before but then I regreted it and want to get rid of them and buy the originals. I already have 3 original aerialbots. About Devastator I'm hoping for an Encore giftset... And I really got angry about the KOs after being sold a loose Buzzsaw being passed as an original on eBay. These are the KOs I have, and I want to switch them by their originals... what a waste of money it was, and my Devastator KO is one of the old ones, which weren't that good. I was deceived only on Buzzsaw though.
Other than that I'd really look forward to a dedicated section on this site, easily found by everyone, where all the "accurate" KOs were listed, with photos, comparison photos (to show the give-aways), and the known sellers on eBay that pass them as originals. It would be for the benefit of everyone.
I had bought a Superion and Devastator KO before but then I regreted it and want to get rid of them and buy the originals. I already have 3 original aerialbots. About Devastator I'm hoping for an Encore giftset... And I really got angry about the KOs after being sold a loose Buzzsaw being passed as an original on eBay. These are the KOs I have, and I want to switch them by their originals... what a waste of money it was, and my Devastator KO is one of the old ones, which weren't that good. I was deceived only on Buzzsaw though.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693671)
Posted by LuckytheWonderLlama on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:27am CDT
Posted by LuckytheWonderLlama on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:27am CDT
So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?
I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.
I'd settle for a KO.
I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.
I'd settle for a KO.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693678)
Posted by T-Macksimus on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:36am CDT
Posted by T-Macksimus on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:36am CDT
Such info is of great use to someone like myself who frequents Thrift Stores, Swap Meets and garage sales in search of older figures and "parts bots". I have come across some great finds but have also picked up a few that I thought were kind of suspicious and after a lot of online digging, my suspicions were confirmed and those toys were tossed into the "parts and kitbash" tub. It took a lot of time to track down the right info since the copyright mark on 2 of the toys was worn down so badly they were unreadable. Having a list takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. (Seibertrons imense, detailed photo gallery helps a lot, too. I used it to double check on some subtle variations of G1 figures.)
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693694)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:01am CDT
Striped screws? Try the following:
http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html
http://www.aldn.com/xout/
I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:01am CDT
LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?
I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.
I'd settle for a KO.
Striped screws? Try the following:
http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html
http://www.aldn.com/xout/
I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693704)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:24am CDT
That's part of the problem, the packages are not different enough without any close handling to say it is not vintage. Unless you count the misspelled Bommander mentioned earlier.
I just typed in 'Transformers Grimlock Reissue' on Ebay and got 40 returns, 16 of which were for the KO Grimlock.
Putting seller names on a list is not really the answer either. Many sell other quality goods, and are not trying to mislead, although I have noticed the phrase 'Reissue KO' in many auctions.
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:24am CDT
dragons wrote:are there any noticeable packaging differences, if so could you post visual comparison photographs.
good question wandering about that my self
well worth the advice and information.
ebay i wouldnt count on ebay information to much when it comes to a seller some sellers will just say anything and just take your money and not ship the itme to you and there are other sellers that are honest and loyal to the sellers.
That's part of the problem, the packages are not different enough without any close handling to say it is not vintage. Unless you count the misspelled Bommander mentioned earlier.
I just typed in 'Transformers Grimlock Reissue' on Ebay and got 40 returns, 16 of which were for the KO Grimlock.
Putting seller names on a list is not really the answer either. Many sell other quality goods, and are not trying to mislead, although I have noticed the phrase 'Reissue KO' in many auctions.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693711)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:28am CDT
BTW its stripped screws. Striped is like a zebra. Stripped in this case is like a screw that has been twisted so much and so hard that the metal has been cleaned out on the top, thus not allowing for resistance to the screwdriver's turn.
Pics of KO Boxes might help, might not. What do you guys think?
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:28am CDT
capellamusic wrote:LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?
I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.
I'd settle for a KO.
Striped screws? Try the following:
http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html
http://www.aldn.com/xout/
I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.
BTW its stripped screws. Striped is like a zebra. Stripped in this case is like a screw that has been twisted so much and so hard that the metal has been cleaned out on the top, thus not allowing for resistance to the screwdriver's turn.
Pics of KO Boxes might help, might not. What do you guys think?
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693714)
Posted by fenrir72 on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:36am CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:36am CDT
I own both Grimlock and the Constructicon Devastator set unofficial re-issue i.e KO.
First things first, the box and instruction manuals are replete with typos( not sure if it's intentional) but aside from some rough molding (Grimlock's case on his black parts and the energo sword) and the god@mn cheapo type of paper used on the labeling sheet, these products are near accurate recreations.
Devastator for instance( besides the paper based labels) is pretty solid and neatly molded. The chrome is thick and shiny, no blots (as compared with the G2 official orange re-issues which was pure cr@p.
Scavenger's right foot is kinda loose though....................
Why'd I buy one? Unless Takara'd re-issue an official one, I've just about given up on getting Grimlock second hand, same with the Constructicons.
First things first, the box and instruction manuals are replete with typos( not sure if it's intentional) but aside from some rough molding (Grimlock's case on his black parts and the energo sword) and the god@mn cheapo type of paper used on the labeling sheet, these products are near accurate recreations.
Devastator for instance( besides the paper based labels) is pretty solid and neatly molded. The chrome is thick and shiny, no blots (as compared with the G2 official orange re-issues which was pure cr@p.
Scavenger's right foot is kinda loose though....................
Why'd I buy one? Unless Takara'd re-issue an official one, I've just about given up on getting Grimlock second hand, same with the Constructicons.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693718)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:40am CDT
Hey, I'm portuguese, I know that but when writing it I just followed the way LuckytheWonderLlama wrote it. And the solutions I posted are for this case with stripped screws. It's possible to unscrew them in some ways.
About the KOs, everything helps, pics, sellers, an so on... But of course, stating what are the give-aways in the pics.
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:40am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:capellamusic wrote:LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?
I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.
I'd settle for a KO.
Striped screws? Try the following:
http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html
http://www.aldn.com/xout/
I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.
BTW its stripped screws. Striped is like a zebra. Stripped in this case is like a screw that has been twisted so much and so hard that the metal has been cleaned out on the top, thus not allowing for resistance to the screwdriver's turn.
Pics of KO Boxes might help, might not. What do you guys think?
Hey, I'm portuguese, I know that but when writing it I just followed the way LuckytheWonderLlama wrote it. And the solutions I posted are for this case with stripped screws. It's possible to unscrew them in some ways.
About the KOs, everything helps, pics, sellers, an so on... But of course, stating what are the give-aways in the pics.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693917)
Posted by shakira on May 5th, 2008 @ 3:31pm CDT
Posted by shakira on May 5th, 2008 @ 3:31pm CDT
The pure amount of KO's on eBay is sick. Then the prices they are asking are ridiculous as well. The endless amounts of Gestalts for 99 cents with 30 dollar shipping is gross. I dont agree totally on some of the early KO's meaning 80's. Some of the four star stuff was awesome. Plus they were nicely made too. BTW if anyone knows where I can get a KO Omega Supreme called the Cosmos Robot I would like to hear from you. N-e ways it is also Hasbro's fault for not reissuing the toys. I mean how hard can it be and there is money to be made as well. They are not meeting the demand pure and simple. It does not make right what the KO companies are doing but they are selling arent they. And if you sell a KO as a vintage G1 then you should be run over with a lawnmower.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (694116)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 6:31pm CDT
While we would love to blame HASBRO for not re-issueing the whole Transformers line, you can't blame them. It's fairly cost prohibitive, caters to mainly the collector market only, and yet many of the toys must be modified to meet today's toy standard laws...unfortunate for us yes, but you can hardly blame them.
If they were to make KO quality product, it would probably be feasible.
BTW that Omega is awesome...I'd love to own one too.
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 6:31pm CDT
shakira wrote: N-e ways it is also Hasbro's fault for not reissuing the toys. I mean how hard can it be and there is money to be made as well. They are not meeting the demand pure and simple. It does not make right what the KO companies are doing but they are selling arent they. And if you sell a KO as a vintage G1 then you should be run over with a lawnmower.
While we would love to blame HASBRO for not re-issueing the whole Transformers line, you can't blame them. It's fairly cost prohibitive, caters to mainly the collector market only, and yet many of the toys must be modified to meet today's toy standard laws...unfortunate for us yes, but you can hardly blame them.
If they were to make KO quality product, it would probably be feasible.
BTW that Omega is awesome...I'd love to own one too.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (694139)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 6:58pm CDT
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 6:58pm CDT
As I was saying packages are too similar to call in many cases...
G1 Vintage Beachcomber MOSC
KO 'Reissue' Beachcomber MOSC
Hard to see a difference, right?
G1 Vintage Beachcomber MOSC
KO 'Reissue' Beachcomber MOSC
Hard to see a difference, right?
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (694304)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:19pm CDT
Those are both KOs... The original Beachcomber does not have a red autobot logo in his chest but another sticker instead. If it has the autobot logo it's a KO. Also, the sticker below it is in wrong colors.
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:19pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:As I was saying packages are too similar to call in many cases...
G1 Vintage Beachcomber MOSC
KO 'Reissue' Beachcomber MOSC
Hard to see a difference, right?
Those are both KOs... The original Beachcomber does not have a red autobot logo in his chest but another sticker instead. If it has the autobot logo it's a KO. Also, the sticker below it is in wrong colors.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (696253)
Posted by Dagon on May 8th, 2008 @ 7:59am CDT
Posted by Dagon on May 8th, 2008 @ 7:59am CDT
The packaging on most of these KOs is unbelievable. I bought the KO Metrotitan and the Metroplex box he comes in looks just like a G1 Metroplex box. If I saw it on the shelf at a store, I'd swear it was the real deal. I can see how people could be misled by the packaging alone. Metrotitan rocks ass, by the way.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (697028)
Posted by Cybereetta on May 9th, 2008 @ 7:18am CDT
Posted by Cybereetta on May 9th, 2008 @ 7:18am CDT
I think i have seen some of those KO's put im not 100% sure..
But cheap copy is still a cheap copy..
But cheap copy is still a cheap copy..
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (697383)
Posted by Hip-Hoptimus Rime on May 9th, 2008 @ 8:44pm CDT
Posted by Hip-Hoptimus Rime on May 9th, 2008 @ 8:44pm CDT
Can we comment on the quality of some of these known KOs? For example, I bought a KO G1 Devastator from Walgreens, carded, and the quality is crap. It holds together OK in combined mode, but the individual bot modes are virtually worthless. Tons of flash, wildly loose joints, etc. But, he looks OK w/ my Classics Dev, so he stays combined and untouched.
What about the KO Mirages we know from eBay? I know someone on a TF message board I might be buying a G1 Mirage from, and it's a decent price, but he doesn't know if it's a genuine TF or a KO. I don't mind a KO if it's a decent one, i.e. good mold, joints, etc. Anything I should look for in the pics?
Good thread! Thanks!
What about the KO Mirages we know from eBay? I know someone on a TF message board I might be buying a G1 Mirage from, and it's a decent price, but he doesn't know if it's a genuine TF or a KO. I don't mind a KO if it's a decent one, i.e. good mold, joints, etc. Anything I should look for in the pics?
Good thread! Thanks!
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (697821)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on May 10th, 2008 @ 4:23pm CDT
If your, buying regualr corporate retail on something like G1 Prime, your getting a reissue, these retailers do not sell KO items.
Granted what your getting isn't vintage, but it is official.
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Also, I haven't read all the threads but in the master list in the first post I didn't notice DoubleDealer.
It's been around for a while, and definetly belongs on the list.
Posted by Liege Evilmus on May 10th, 2008 @ 4:23pm CDT
Maxuz Prime wrote:this thread is a great ideal. i have been tring for as long as i can remember to get g1 optimus prime for my older brother and if i ever do and find out its a KO im going to be super pissed.
i only buy from stores like wal-mart, toys r us, ect. i hope that means im not buing KO.
again great thread.
If your, buying regualr corporate retail on something like G1 Prime, your getting a reissue, these retailers do not sell KO items.
Granted what your getting isn't vintage, but it is official.
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Also, I haven't read all the threads but in the master list in the first post I didn't notice DoubleDealer.
It's been around for a while, and definetly belongs on the list.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (701059)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 15th, 2008 @ 11:04am CDT
Posted by Tigertrack on May 15th, 2008 @ 11:04am CDT
Reflector is now out.
These are not the dollar store or Walmart quality KO, nor can you find them there. These are quality, die cast parts, etc... If you don't mind, it doesn't matter, but you should consider it a KO unless otherwise stated, I would say. Especially if it is in great condition. The older Mirages also tend to compact at the waist as the locking mechanism for the legs gets old and worn. If it is a KO chances are it won't do this, and may be another sign.
Better tell that to the Ebay sellers, because one said KO, and the other said vintage MOSC. I think this proves the point to be cautious, but if you want to post a pic comparing a genuine and a re-issue, please do.
Hip-Hoptimus Rime wrote:Can we comment on the quality of some of these known KOs? For example, I bought a KO G1 Devastator from Walgreens, carded, and the quality is crap. It holds together OK in combined mode, but the individual bot modes are virtually worthless. Tons of flash, wildly loose joints, etc. But, he looks OK w/ my Classics Dev, so he stays combined and untouched.
What about the KO Mirages we know from eBay? I know someone on a TF message board I might be buying a G1 Mirage from, and it's a decent price, but he doesn't know if it's a genuine TF or a KO. I don't mind a KO if it's a decent one, i.e. good mold, joints, etc. Anything I should look for in the pics?
Good thread! Thanks!
These are not the dollar store or Walmart quality KO, nor can you find them there. These are quality, die cast parts, etc... If you don't mind, it doesn't matter, but you should consider it a KO unless otherwise stated, I would say. Especially if it is in great condition. The older Mirages also tend to compact at the waist as the locking mechanism for the legs gets old and worn. If it is a KO chances are it won't do this, and may be another sign.
capellamusic wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:As I was saying packages are too similar to call in many cases...
G1 Vintage Beachcomber MOSC
KO 'Reissue' Beachcomber MOSC
Hard to see a difference, right?
Those are both KOs... The original Beachcomber does not have a red autobot logo in his chest but another sticker instead. If it has the autobot logo it's a KO. Also, the sticker below it is in wrong colors.
Better tell that to the Ebay sellers, because one said KO, and the other said vintage MOSC. I think this proves the point to be cautious, but if you want to post a pic comparing a genuine and a re-issue, please do.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (701065)
Posted by capellamusic on May 15th, 2008 @ 11:18am CDT
Here's a picture from a genuine. Notice the chest sticker, which is not the autobot symbol. All that have an autobot logo on the chest are KOs (I mean, MOSC ones, because if it's loose or on an opened card someone may just have switched the sticker...).
Posted by capellamusic on May 15th, 2008 @ 11:18am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Better tell that to the Ebay sellers, because one said KO, and the other said vintage MOSC. I think this proves the point to be cautious, but if you want to post a pic comparing a genuine and a re-issue, please do.
Here's a picture from a genuine. Notice the chest sticker, which is not the autobot symbol. All that have an autobot logo on the chest are KOs (I mean, MOSC ones, because if it's loose or on an opened card someone may just have switched the sticker...).
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703049)
Posted by Fussion on May 18th, 2008 @ 12:04pm CDT
This is the information format that we need. Show a picture of the real deal and a KO and list the differences. I tried to have a "Collector Corner" for us people that want to buy REAL TF's.
I think we should continue with the other known KO's. I know I bought 3 Optimus Primes before I got the real one. It's hard to tell when it is MISB but if there is a picture of the stryofoam you can tell.
The real stytofoam will have two compartments at the top (one for Roller and one for paperwork) the fake one will have the same but the longer will have an narrow end on the right. I'll try to find the pics
Posted by Fussion on May 18th, 2008 @ 12:04pm CDT
capellamusic wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:Better tell that to the Ebay sellers, because one said KO, and the other said vintage MOSC. I think this proves the point to be cautious, but if you want to post a pic comparing a genuine and a re-issue, please do.
Here's a picture from a genuine. Notice the chest sticker, which is not the autobot symbol. All that have an autobot logo on the chest are KOs (I mean, MOSC ones, because if it's loose or on an opened card someone may just have switched the sticker...).
This is the information format that we need. Show a picture of the real deal and a KO and list the differences. I tried to have a "Collector Corner" for us people that want to buy REAL TF's.
I think we should continue with the other known KO's. I know I bought 3 Optimus Primes before I got the real one. It's hard to tell when it is MISB but if there is a picture of the stryofoam you can tell.
The real stytofoam will have two compartments at the top (one for Roller and one for paperwork) the fake one will have the same but the longer will have an narrow end on the right. I'll try to find the pics
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703054)
Posted by capellamusic on May 18th, 2008 @ 12:19pm CDT
I'd love to see a full list stating all of this and open to contributions and updated as fast as this site is updated on the lastest news. It would be very helpful for everyone (except scammers, etc).
Posted by capellamusic on May 18th, 2008 @ 12:19pm CDT
Fussion wrote:capellamusic wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:Better tell that to the Ebay sellers, because one said KO, and the other said vintage MOSC. I think this proves the point to be cautious, but if you want to post a pic comparing a genuine and a re-issue, please do.
Here's a picture from a genuine. Notice the chest sticker, which is not the autobot symbol. All that have an autobot logo on the chest are KOs (I mean, MOSC ones, because if it's loose or on an opened card someone may just have switched the sticker...).
This is the information format that we need. Show a picture of the real deal and a KO and list the differences. I tried to have a "Collector Corner" for us people that want to buy REAL TF's.
I think we should continue with the other known KO's. I know I bought 3 Optimus Primes before I got the real one. It's hard to tell when it is MISB but if there is a picture of the stryofoam you can tell.
The real stytofoam will have two compartments at the top (one for Roller and one for paperwork) the fake one will have the same but the longer will have an narrow end on the right. I'll try to find the pics
I'd love to see a full list stating all of this and open to contributions and updated as fast as this site is updated on the lastest news. It would be very helpful for everyone (except scammers, etc).
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703151)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 18th, 2008 @ 3:34pm CDT
Isn't that what we are doing here?
Posted by Tigertrack on May 18th, 2008 @ 3:34pm CDT
capellamusic wrote:I'd love to see a full list stating all of this and open to contributions and updated as fast as this site is updated on the lastest news. It would be very helpful for everyone (except scammers, etc).
Isn't that what we are doing here?
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703185)
Posted by capellamusic on May 18th, 2008 @ 4:34pm CDT
Sort of... But I mean more like a site or a section on a site instead of a forum thread. People could contribute by comments and by sending info by e-mail. Then the people running that site or section on a site would add that info. Everything in an organized manner. I can't volunteer to do it as I don't have time, but maybe a section could be created on this site and people could contribute by sending them e-mails with info and pics. Just like you have other organized sections like the galleries. If the galleries on this site were posted in a forum thread it would be a mess and quite useless.
This is what I mean. A simple thread doesn't work IMO. It's even hard to find for new people comming to the site and we want this visible in a menu don't we? So I suggest the creation of a new section on this site, maybe available under the "Toys" menu with the name "Knock-Offs/Fake Transformers Information" or something.
Posted by capellamusic on May 18th, 2008 @ 4:34pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:capellamusic wrote:I'd love to see a full list stating all of this and open to contributions and updated as fast as this site is updated on the lastest news. It would be very helpful for everyone (except scammers, etc).
Isn't that what we are doing here?
Sort of... But I mean more like a site or a section on a site instead of a forum thread. People could contribute by comments and by sending info by e-mail. Then the people running that site or section on a site would add that info. Everything in an organized manner. I can't volunteer to do it as I don't have time, but maybe a section could be created on this site and people could contribute by sending them e-mails with info and pics. Just like you have other organized sections like the galleries. If the galleries on this site were posted in a forum thread it would be a mess and quite useless.
This is what I mean. A simple thread doesn't work IMO. It's even hard to find for new people comming to the site and we want this visible in a menu don't we? So I suggest the creation of a new section on this site, maybe available under the "Toys" menu with the name "Knock-Offs/Fake Transformers Information" or something.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703524)
Posted by Fussion on May 19th, 2008 @ 10:47am CDT
I have to agree, I have been looking on several boards and can find very little. There is a knockoff thread but it's very are to find the information that compares the real vs the KO. The KO thread mainly states "I found a new KO" and does not help the colector to identify them, other than mold in ugly colours. Those are simple I'm talking about the ones you need to go over with a fine tooth comb.
Help Seibertron! Help us collectors
Posted by Fussion on May 19th, 2008 @ 10:47am CDT
capellamusic wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:capellamusic wrote:I'd love to see a full list stating all of this and open to contributions and updated as fast as this site is updated on the lastest news. It would be very helpful for everyone (except scammers, etc).
Isn't that what we are doing here?
Sort of... But I mean more like a site or a section on a site instead of a forum thread. People could contribute by comments and by sending info by e-mail. Then the people running that site or section on a site would add that info. Everything in an organized manner. I can't volunteer to do it as I don't have time, but maybe a section could be created on this site and people could contribute by sending them e-mails with info and pics. Just like you have other organized sections like the galleries. If the galleries on this site were posted in a forum thread it would be a mess and quite useless.
This is what I mean. A simple thread doesn't work IMO. It's even hard to find for new people comming to the site and we want this visible in a menu don't we? So I suggest the creation of a new section on this site, maybe available under the "Toys" menu with the name "Knock-Offs/Fake Transformers Information" or something.
I have to agree, I have been looking on several boards and can find very little. There is a knockoff thread but it's very are to find the information that compares the real vs the KO. The KO thread mainly states "I found a new KO" and does not help the colector to identify them, other than mold in ugly colours. Those are simple I'm talking about the ones you need to go over with a fine tooth comb.
Help Seibertron! Help us collectors
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703582)
Posted by capellamusic on May 19th, 2008 @ 12:36pm CDT
I hope the guys from Seibertron are watching this thread and take action to build that section
. I'm sure everyone will be thankful to them for organising such precious and needed info in an actually usable space.
Come on, this site is the greatest and you Seibertron staff can make it even better !
Posted by capellamusic on May 19th, 2008 @ 12:36pm CDT
Fussion wrote:I have to agree, I have been looking on several boards and can find very little. There is a knockoff thread but it's very are to find the information that compares the real vs the KO. The KO thread mainly states "I found a new KO" and does not help the colector to identify them, other than mold in ugly colours. Those are simple I'm talking about the ones you need to go over with a fine tooth comb.
Help Seibertron! Help us collectors
I hope the guys from Seibertron are watching this thread and take action to build that section
. I'm sure everyone will be thankful to them for organising such precious and needed info in an actually usable space.Come on, this site is the greatest and you Seibertron staff can make it even better
!
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (703627)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 19th, 2008 @ 1:32pm CDT
I posted two posts above yours. I would be a staff member. But a whole new database is a very large undertaking. And the fact is, these are very difficult to discern from the original. That's the whole point. I'm not sure what the database can tell you more than what we already have.
There are very accurate ones of these individuals. Be careful when purchasing. Know what you are buying.
Posted by Tigertrack on May 19th, 2008 @ 1:32pm CDT
capellamusic wrote:Fussion wrote:I have to agree, I have been looking on several boards and can find very little. There is a knockoff thread but it's very are to find the information that compares the real vs the KO. The KO thread mainly states "I found a new KO" and does not help the colector to identify them, other than mold in ugly colours. Those are simple I'm talking about the ones you need to go over with a fine tooth comb.
Help Seibertron! Help us collectors
I hope the guys from Seibertron are watching this thread and take action to build that section
Come on, this site is the greatest and you Seibertron staff can make it even better
I posted two posts above yours. I would be a staff member. But a whole new database is a very large undertaking. And the fact is, these are very difficult to discern from the original. That's the whole point. I'm not sure what the database can tell you more than what we already have.
There are very accurate ones of these individuals. Be careful when purchasing. Know what you are buying.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (707483)
Posted by Zeds on May 24th, 2008 @ 3:21pm CDT
Posted by Zeds on May 24th, 2008 @ 3:21pm CDT
This looks great tigertracks. Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to it to keep informed.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (707610)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 24th, 2008 @ 6:43pm CDT
Thanks, with the help of others, we can hope to get you what you want with your money.
Posted by Tigertrack on May 24th, 2008 @ 6:43pm CDT
Zeds wrote:This looks great tigertracks. Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to it to keep informed.
Thanks, with the help of others, we can hope to get you what you want with your money.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (707678)
Posted by roboticplanet on May 24th, 2008 @ 8:50pm CDT
I didn't see anyone respond to this post from a while ago.
Here's a list of sellers who don't state their Transformers items (figures, accessories, stickers, instructions, packaging) are bootlegs or even 'reissues':
yc-collection
mecharsi
akara32
trainee007
linanma
zoe_jj1984
doufaceb (some items)
Posted by roboticplanet on May 24th, 2008 @ 8:50pm CDT
Miguelangel wrote:It would be useful if a list of those sellers on Ebay who list KO's is made public, in order to avoid them.
I didn't see anyone respond to this post from a while ago.
Here's a list of sellers who don't state their Transformers items (figures, accessories, stickers, instructions, packaging) are bootlegs or even 'reissues':
yc-collection
mecharsi
akara32
trainee007
linanma
zoe_jj1984
doufaceb (some items)
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (707803)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 25th, 2008 @ 7:12am CDT
I updated the first entry with yout knowledge. Thanks. Anyone else with sources, or confirmation of these is welcome. Doufaceb is who I bought my Mirages from, and I got e-mail updates from him often when he gets new things in.
He is honest in his e-mails that this are unofficial, high quality re-issues, in the e-mail.
Posted by Tigertrack on May 25th, 2008 @ 7:12am CDT
roboticplanet wrote:Miguelangel wrote:It would be useful if a list of those sellers on Ebay who list KO's is made public, in order to avoid them.
I didn't see anyone respond to this post from a while ago.
Here's a list of sellers who don't state their Transformers items (figures, accessories, stickers, instructions, packaging) are bootlegs or even 'reissues':
yc-collection
mecharsi
akara32
trainee007
linanma
zoe_jj1984
doufaceb (some items)
I updated the first entry with yout knowledge. Thanks. Anyone else with sources, or confirmation of these is welcome. Doufaceb is who I bought my Mirages from, and I got e-mail updates from him often when he gets new things in.
He is honest in his e-mails that this are unofficial, high quality re-issues, in the e-mail.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (707825)
Posted by capellamusic on May 25th, 2008 @ 8:09am CDT
I can confirm that about yc-collection as he sold me once a Buzzsaw as a vintage and it's undoubtly a damn KO... No refund no nothing...
Posted by capellamusic on May 25th, 2008 @ 8:09am CDT
roboticplanet wrote:Miguelangel wrote:It would be useful if a list of those sellers on Ebay who list KO's is made public, in order to avoid them.
I didn't see anyone respond to this post from a while ago.
Here's a list of sellers who don't state their Transformers items (figures, accessories, stickers, instructions, packaging) are bootlegs or even 'reissues':
yc-collection
mecharsi
akara32
trainee007
linanma
zoe_jj1984
doufaceb (some items)
I can confirm that about yc-collection as he sold me once a Buzzsaw as a vintage and it's undoubtly a damn KO... No refund no nothing...
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (707919)
Posted by roboticplanet on May 25th, 2008 @ 11:51am CDT
yc-collection is the absolute worst. He's reached powerseller status by scamming 1000's. If anyone has bought something from him recently, I suggest reporting him through eBay's help section for selling counterfeit goods, in addition to leaving the obvious negative. A few months ago I would say reporting sellers like that is futile, but since then linanma was in timeout with eBay and only recently had his account reinstated, but yet to start selling again. He was the only one dumb enough to not hide the bidder ID's, so contacting them with info that they were getting screwed was cake.
Posted by roboticplanet on May 25th, 2008 @ 11:51am CDT
Miguelangel wrote:
I can confirm that about yc-collection as he sold me once a Buzzsaw as a vintage and it's undoubtly a damn KO... No refund no nothing...
yc-collection is the absolute worst. He's reached powerseller status by scamming 1000's. If anyone has bought something from him recently, I suggest reporting him through eBay's help section for selling counterfeit goods, in addition to leaving the obvious negative. A few months ago I would say reporting sellers like that is futile, but since then linanma was in timeout with eBay and only recently had his account reinstated, but yet to start selling again. He was the only one dumb enough to not hide the bidder ID's, so contacting them with info that they were getting screwed was cake.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (708145)
Posted by Zeds on May 25th, 2008 @ 8:07pm CDT
It is sellers like these that are killing the G1 collector's marketplace.
Posted by Zeds on May 25th, 2008 @ 8:07pm CDT
roboticplanet wrote:Miguelangel wrote:
I can confirm that about yc-collection as he sold me once a Buzzsaw as a vintage and it's undoubtly a damn KO... No refund no nothing...
yc-collection is the absolute worst. He's reached powerseller status by scamming 1000's. If anyone has bought something from him recently, I suggest reporting him through eBay's help section for selling counterfeit goods, in addition to leaving the obvious negative. A few months ago I would say reporting sellers like that is futile, but since then linanma was in timeout with eBay and only recently had his account reinstated, but yet to start selling again. He was the only one dumb enough to not hide the bidder ID's, so contacting them with info that they were getting screwed was cake.
It is sellers like these that are killing the G1 collector's marketplace.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (709447)
Posted by Broody Cuss on May 27th, 2008 @ 9:33pm CDT
Posted by Broody Cuss on May 27th, 2008 @ 9:33pm CDT
A couple of months ago I gave into curiosity and bought a KO Sludge off eBay. I had to see if it was really as good as it looked. Not surprisingly, it wasn't.
The toy's detail and box were nice, but the overall quality was still KO. The chrome was fairly well done, although a section of one wing/rib was not completely vacuum metalized. The joints were tight, but the dino mouth was not aligned and the head was slightly crooked. The paint job was poor (both die-cast and robot face), and the accessories were vintage KO -- particularly the rocket launcher.
Oddly enough, they added springs to the rear dino legs where originally there were none? This made the legs snap firmly into place when in robot mode, but had the negative effect of forcing the legs outward at an angle when in dino mode.
A real easy way to distinguish a genuine G1 Sludge from a detailed KO, even one that's boxed, is to look for the where the factory applied labels should be on the chrome wing/rib. The KO Sludge does not have these small labels. The KO mold also does not have the indentation for the factory applied label located on the dino rump/robot leg, although this is hard to see on a boxed item. (see comparison below)
G1
KO
G1 Factory label on wing/rib and indent on rump (factory label removed)
And I totally agree 'YC-Collection' is shady seller. The guy never responded to any of my e-mails questioning the authenticity of items he was passing of as genuine.
The toy's detail and box were nice, but the overall quality was still KO. The chrome was fairly well done, although a section of one wing/rib was not completely vacuum metalized. The joints were tight, but the dino mouth was not aligned and the head was slightly crooked. The paint job was poor (both die-cast and robot face), and the accessories were vintage KO -- particularly the rocket launcher.
Oddly enough, they added springs to the rear dino legs where originally there were none? This made the legs snap firmly into place when in robot mode, but had the negative effect of forcing the legs outward at an angle when in dino mode.
A real easy way to distinguish a genuine G1 Sludge from a detailed KO, even one that's boxed, is to look for the where the factory applied labels should be on the chrome wing/rib. The KO Sludge does not have these small labels. The KO mold also does not have the indentation for the factory applied label located on the dino rump/robot leg, although this is hard to see on a boxed item. (see comparison below)
G1
KO
G1 Factory label on wing/rib and indent on rump (factory label removed)
And I totally agree 'YC-Collection' is shady seller. The guy never responded to any of my e-mails questioning the authenticity of items he was passing of as genuine.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (709821)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 28th, 2008 @ 1:41pm CDT
Posted by Tigertrack on May 28th, 2008 @ 1:41pm CDT
Reflector Images (KNOCK OFF)
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (709850)
Posted by capellamusic on May 28th, 2008 @ 2:10pm CDT
Sadly, I don't own Reflector, but at first sight it seems so original that I'd like to know what are the main differences between this KO and the original.
Posted by capellamusic on May 28th, 2008 @ 2:10pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:Reflector Images (KNOCK OFF)
Sadly, I don't own Reflector, but at first sight it seems so original that I'd like to know what are the main differences between this KO and the original.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (709866)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 28th, 2008 @ 2:25pm CDT
Apparently not much. I do not own this, it was sent to me as a pre-order advertisement with a fellow I have done business with before.
The only difference I have seen so far were the box numbers, but I have no idea what they stand for-what production number it is?-- so all of the original box numbers could have been different as well.
Posted by Tigertrack on May 28th, 2008 @ 2:25pm CDT
capellamusic wrote:tigertracks 24 wrote:Reflector Images (KNOCK OFF)
Sadly, I don't own Reflector, but at first sight it seems so original that I'd like to know what are the main differences between this KO and the original.
Apparently not much. I do not own this, it was sent to me as a pre-order advertisement with a fellow I have done business with before.
The only difference I have seen so far were the box numbers, but I have no idea what they stand for-what production number it is?-- so all of the original box numbers could have been different as well.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (709878)
Posted by roboticplanet on May 28th, 2008 @ 2:33pm CDT
Posted by roboticplanet on May 28th, 2008 @ 2:33pm CDT
The only thing I've noticed with the bootleg Reflector is that they went with the single-tab missile variation, as opposed to the no-tab missiles, as well as the filled in Opto Blaster gun instead of the gapped version. Too early to tell yet on the figures, but at least the weapons can help narrow down potential bootlegs.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (711632)
Posted by Fussion on May 30th, 2008 @ 4:27pm CDT
This is excellent work Broody Cuss! Keep it up.
Posted by Fussion on May 30th, 2008 @ 4:27pm CDT
Broody Cuss wrote:A couple of months ago I gave into curiosity and bought a KO Sludge off eBay. I had to see if it was really as good as it looked. Not surprisingly, it wasn't.
The toy's detail and box were nice, but the overall quality was still KO. The chrome was fairly well done, although a section of one wing/rib was not completely vacuum metalized. The joints were tight, but the dino mouth was not aligned and the head was slightly crooked. The paint job was poor (both die-cast and robot face), and the accessories were vintage KO -- particularly the rocket launcher.
Oddly enough, they added springs to the rear dino legs where originally there were none? This made the legs snap firmly into place when in robot mode, but had the negative effect of forcing the legs outward at an angle when in dino mode.
A real easy way to distinguish a genuine G1 Sludge from a detailed KO, even one that's boxed, is to look for the where the factory applied labels should be on the chrome wing/rib. The KO Sludge does not have these small labels. The KO mold also does not have the indentation for the factory applied label located on the dino rump/robot leg, although this is hard to see on a boxed item. (see comparison below)
G1
KO
G1 Factory label on wing/rib and indent on rump (factory label removed)
And I totally agree 'YC-Collection' is shady seller. The guy never responded to any of my e-mails questioning the authenticity of items he was passing of as genuine.
This is excellent work Broody Cuss! Keep it up.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (712768)
Posted by Dead Metal on June 1st, 2008 @ 6:12am CDT
Posted by Dead Metal on June 1st, 2008 @ 6:12am CDT
sellers also list them as remakes these days.
Just to help out a bit.
Oh Awesome thread thanks!
Just to help out a bit.
Oh Awesome thread thanks!
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (795451)
Posted by Tigertrack on September 25th, 2008 @ 8:14pm CDT
Posted by Tigertrack on September 25th, 2008 @ 8:14pm CDT
Cyclonus and Scourge KOs coming...
