A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF)
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More new images of Masterpiece Hot Rod? Is that even possible? Apparently it is.
Just when you think you've seen enough of Ol' Roddy, AmiAmi comes to the rescue to give you even more of what you've already seen. However, there are some new images to share this time, so it's a tad newsworthy. This news comes to us courtesy of fellow Seibertron staffer mooncake623.
First, clean images without the "DO NOT COPY" watermark. (As if it was going to work, anyway...)
Second, new comparison image with Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and Daniel. (You can see Magnus, along with Daniel, in all his glory in our gallery right here. Oh, and remember to pick up the reissue if you haven't, yet. Amazing figure!)
Thirdly (and finally) an image of his assortment of accessories in better detail.
You're going to say "We've seen these images before!" and for the most part, you have, right here in fact.
So, while they're wringing the photography for all it's worth, might as well feast your eyes on the paltry number of new images left to be seen on this guy. Heck, all we need now is a box image and we're good to go.
Clean images:
New images:
Accessories:
Hot Rod is expected to be released sometime in the first quarter of 2016, but as with all Takara Tomy Masterpieces, don't be surprised if he's delayed. It's not the first time a Masterpiece has missed the target date.
This figure also went up at HLJ along with Shockwave (at both Amiami and HLJ) and the following new products:
QTF08 Jet Fire
QTF07 Ironhide (Toyota Hiace)
Soft Transformer Nazo Nazo Optimus Prime
Soft Transformer Nazo Nazo Bumblebee
Soft Transformer Nazo Nazo Lockdown
LG19 Sprung
And last but not least, a comeback for the Trasformer Decoy figures which can also be used as erasers. This set is 15 pieces.
Just when you think you've seen enough of Ol' Roddy, AmiAmi comes to the rescue to give you even more of what you've already seen. However, there are some new images to share this time, so it's a tad newsworthy. This news comes to us courtesy of fellow Seibertron staffer mooncake623.
First, clean images without the "DO NOT COPY" watermark. (As if it was going to work, anyway...)
Second, new comparison image with Masterpiece Ultra Magnus and Daniel. (You can see Magnus, along with Daniel, in all his glory in our gallery right here. Oh, and remember to pick up the reissue if you haven't, yet. Amazing figure!)
Thirdly (and finally) an image of his assortment of accessories in better detail.
You're going to say "We've seen these images before!" and for the most part, you have, right here in fact.
So, while they're wringing the photography for all it's worth, might as well feast your eyes on the paltry number of new images left to be seen on this guy. Heck, all we need now is a box image and we're good to go.
Clean images:
New images:
Accessories:
Hot Rod is expected to be released sometime in the first quarter of 2016, but as with all Takara Tomy Masterpieces, don't be surprised if he's delayed. It's not the first time a Masterpiece has missed the target date.
This figure also went up at HLJ along with Shockwave (at both Amiami and HLJ) and the following new products:
QTF08 Jet Fire
QTF07 Ironhide (Toyota Hiace)
Soft Transformer Nazo Nazo Optimus Prime
Soft Transformer Nazo Nazo Bumblebee
Soft Transformer Nazo Nazo Lockdown
LG19 Sprung
And last but not least, a comeback for the Trasformer Decoy figures which can also be used as erasers. This set is 15 pieces.
Credit(s): AmiAmi, mooncake623
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Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731959)
Posted by Robogeek1973 on October 6th, 2015 @ 2:25pm CDT
See now in this shot he looks fantastic.
I guess he's gonna be one of those bots that looks good in one position but horrible in another.
Posted by Robogeek1973 on October 6th, 2015 @ 2:25pm CDT
fenrir72 wrote:http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/review?scode=FIGURE-014210&page=top
fave pic
See now in this shot he looks fantastic.
I guess he's gonna be one of those bots that looks good in one position but horrible in another.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731963)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 6th, 2015 @ 2:39pm CDT
Posted by Nemesis Destron on October 6th, 2015 @ 2:39pm CDT
Yeah okay a fishing pole right, guess he'll be FISHING for compliments for leadership right? Cause he's got that fishing pole you know, so he could fish. Fish for that and umm, you know other things too right? -crickets- 
I guess the
better watch out now with this pole in Hot Rod arsenal huh, right? I wonder what he'll use for bate? -crickets- 
I guess the
better watch out now with this pole in Hot Rod arsenal huh, right? I wonder what he'll use for bate? -crickets-
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731964)
Posted by procyon on October 6th, 2015 @ 2:41pm CDT
Posted by procyon on October 6th, 2015 @ 2:41pm CDT
What... no Firebolt? Where's the Targetmaster love?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731972)
Posted by SkyWarpt on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:03pm CDT
Don't forget his spinning descaler
Posted by SkyWarpt on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:03pm CDT
Nemesis Destron wrote:Yeah okay a fishing pole right, guess he'll be FISHING for compliments for leadership right? Cause he's got that fishing pole you know, so he could fish. Fish for that and umm, you know other things too right? -crickets-
I guess the
Don't forget his spinning descaler
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731973)
Posted by galvatron00 on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:05pm CDT
Posted by galvatron00 on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:05pm CDT
Hot Rod wasn't a Targetmaster user in Japan. Rodimus Prime, Blurr, and Kup were gone before they showed up in Transformers: Headmasters.procyon wrote:What... no Firebolt? Where's the Targetmaster love?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731974)
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:12pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:12pm CDT
I have been thinking, I am really not sure about this guy for my collection. I want him, no doubt, but I dont want to spend more than the cost of a leader. He looks quite small next to UM and I am so unsure about that back pack. And I dont care for the sacrifice made so that Prime's matrix fits in his chest. I dont need the matrix to fit inside him and not that low either. This is now my stategy for this rodimus:
I will wait for video reviews and feedback. If I like it, I will then wait for either a takara rerelease or a Hasbro release. With unlicensed MPs (that arent guns), you can always be sure Hasbro will eventually release it. MY MP starscream is waiting for me at home and I much preffer having spent 60$ on it than 150 (and upwards). I will use the same strategy for this guy.
I will wait for video reviews and feedback. If I like it, I will then wait for either a takara rerelease or a Hasbro release. With unlicensed MPs (that arent guns), you can always be sure Hasbro will eventually release it. MY MP starscream is waiting for me at home and I much preffer having spent 60$ on it than 150 (and upwards). I will use the same strategy for this guy.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731982)
Posted by Burn on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:53pm CDT
This is another one of those gimmicks that ruins figures. It's not something you expect in the Masterpiece line.
HLJ Pre-order is up.
Posted by Burn on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:53pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:I dont care for the sacrifice made so that Prime's matrix fits in his chest.
This is another one of those gimmicks that ruins figures. It's not something you expect in the Masterpiece line.
HLJ Pre-order is up.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731984)
Posted by Shuttershock on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:59pm CDT
Well, it wouldn't be Masterpiece without insanely meticulous homages to that thing character X did once.
Posted by Shuttershock on October 6th, 2015 @ 3:59pm CDT
Nemesis Destron wrote:Yeah okay a fishing pole right, guess he'll be FISHING for compliments for leadership right? Cause he's got that fishing pole you know, so he could fish. Fish for that and umm, you know other things too right? -crickets-
I guess the
Well, it wouldn't be Masterpiece without insanely meticulous homages to that thing character X did once.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731987)
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:02pm CDT
I would expect it from Optimus Prime and Optimus Prime alone. Also, it doesnt look good. Is that actually where he store his matrix. For some reason I only imaging Rodimus holding it in front of him and not opening his chest flap and depositing it at the botton.
You know, I was thinking Burn. My favourite MPs are Lambor and Wheeljack. You know what they have in common? No gimmicks.
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:02pm CDT
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont care for the sacrifice made so that Prime's matrix fits in his chest.
This is another one of those gimmicks that ruins figures. It's not something you expect in the Masterpiece line.
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I would expect it from Optimus Prime and Optimus Prime alone. Also, it doesnt look good. Is that actually where he store his matrix. For some reason I only imaging Rodimus holding it in front of him and not opening his chest flap and depositing it at the botton.
You know, I was thinking Burn. My favourite MPs are Lambor and Wheeljack. You know what they have in common? No gimmicks.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731991)
Posted by REX-203 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:17pm CDT
I think the figure looks good, and I'm looking forward to getting him, but I have to agree with you guys here. What doesn't help, for gimmick's sake, he never actually put the Matrix in his chest as Hot Rod. Remember, he grew into Rodimus Prime while holding the Matrix open in front of him. So, in a way, it's inaccurate, or at least unnecessary, for him to hold it in his chest as Hot Rod.
Aside from that, the other little thing that nags me, design-wise, is how his hood/chest sticks out further than his collar. I was hoping it was just a slight mis-transformation on the prototype, but apparently it is that way. Just looks a bit off, to me at least.
On a positive note, I am glad we're getting a smaller normal sized Hot Rod.
Posted by REX-203 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:17pm CDT
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont care for the sacrifice made so that Prime's matrix fits in his chest.
This is another one of those gimmicks that ruins figures. It's not something you expect in the Masterpiece line.
HLJ Pre-order is up.
I think the figure looks good, and I'm looking forward to getting him, but I have to agree with you guys here. What doesn't help, for gimmick's sake, he never actually put the Matrix in his chest as Hot Rod. Remember, he grew into Rodimus Prime while holding the Matrix open in front of him. So, in a way, it's inaccurate, or at least unnecessary, for him to hold it in his chest as Hot Rod.
Aside from that, the other little thing that nags me, design-wise, is how his hood/chest sticks out further than his collar. I was hoping it was just a slight mis-transformation on the prototype, but apparently it is that way. Just looks a bit off, to me at least.
On a positive note, I am glad we're getting a smaller normal sized Hot Rod.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731992)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:20pm CDT
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:20pm CDT
AWW THAT QTF IRONHIDE AND JETFIRE ARE SO KAWAII!!! Ironhide is my favorite QTF so far I'm sure! I also LOVE that Jetfire! AWW they're so cute!!! 
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731993)
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:28pm CDT
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:28pm CDT
We do have Rodimus opening his chest to access the Matrix (at 2:45):
The yellow flame swings open sideways in the episode Dark Awakenings, where Optimus comes back the first time. (Now I need to look at the MP again to see how the chest opens....)
The yellow flame swings open sideways in the episode Dark Awakenings, where Optimus comes back the first time. (Now I need to look at the MP again to see how the chest opens....)
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731994)
Posted by REX-203 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:32pm CDT
I stand corrected! I forgot about after Prime came back. Thanks for reminding us about that. Actually, I feel a little better about it opening now.
Posted by REX-203 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:32pm CDT
Agamemnon wrote:We do have Rodimus opening his chest to access the Matrix (at 2:45):
The yellow flame swings open sideways in the episode Dark Awakenings, where Optimus comes back the first time. (Now I need to look at the MP again to see how the chest opens....)
I stand corrected! I forgot about after Prime came back. Thanks for reminding us about that. Actually, I feel a little better about it opening now.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731995)
Posted by Burn on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:33pm CDT
Yeah ... while my initial reaction was disappointment that they're doing a character that has already been done (in a way), I've accepted that I'll now be able to pose both characters.
It's such a shame though HR is the way he is. So many flaws.
Posted by Burn on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:33pm CDT
REX-203 wrote:On a positive note, I am glad we're getting a smaller normal sized Hot Rod.
Yeah ... while my initial reaction was disappointment that they're doing a character that has already been done (in a way), I've accepted that I'll now be able to pose both characters.
It's such a shame though HR is the way he is. So many flaws.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1731996)
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:35pm CDT
Oh, not a problem. I remembered Roddy opening his chest, but it took me a while to figure out where I saw it. Now, the MP opens on the wrong side, but....
[Edit] And then, of course, it opens from the other side later in the same episode (about 4:20):
There were never this sort of animation errors in the TF cartoons, were there? #ExtremeSarcasm
At least in this shot, we get a bit more detail inside Roddy's chest....
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:35pm CDT
REX-203 wrote:Agamemnon wrote:We do have Rodimus opening his chest to access the Matrix (at 2:45):
The yellow flame swings open sideways in the episode Dark Awakenings, where Optimus comes back the first time. (Now I need to look at the MP again to see how the chest opens....)
I stand corrected! I forgot about after Prime came back. Thanks for reminding us about that. Actually, I feel a little better about it opening now.
Oh, not a problem. I remembered Roddy opening his chest, but it took me a while to figure out where I saw it. Now, the MP opens on the wrong side, but....
[Edit] And then, of course, it opens from the other side later in the same episode (about 4:20):
There were never this sort of animation errors in the TF cartoons, were there? #ExtremeSarcasm
At least in this shot, we get a bit more detail inside Roddy's chest....
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732000)
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:51pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:51pm CDT
Still seems to sit a bit too low. Am I being too nitpicky guys?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732004)
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:56pm CDT
I don't think so. I think it is just the reality of the physics of space involved in the toy. I don't know how they would get it higher in the chest to make it look right. I guess I would have preferred leaving the gimmick out all together.
On the other hand, we can just not play with Roddy's chest like that...
(Would have been a better double entendre if it was Arcee we were talking about?)
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 4:56pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Still seems to sit a bit too low. Am I being too nitpicky guys?
I don't think so. I think it is just the reality of the physics of space involved in the toy. I don't know how they would get it higher in the chest to make it look right. I guess I would have preferred leaving the gimmick out all together.
On the other hand, we can just not play with Roddy's chest like that...
(Would have been a better double entendre if it was Arcee we were talking about?)
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732033)
Posted by Desslok2201 on October 6th, 2015 @ 7:42pm CDT
Something doesn't seem right here, but I'm not sure that's it. The whole upper torso just seems wrong, almost like it's mistransformed. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but yeah, it seems off.
Posted by Desslok2201 on October 6th, 2015 @ 7:42pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Still seems to sit a bit too low. Am I being too nitpicky guys?
Something doesn't seem right here, but I'm not sure that's it. The whole upper torso just seems wrong, almost like it's mistransformed. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but yeah, it seems off.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732034)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 6th, 2015 @ 7:46pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 6th, 2015 @ 7:46pm CDT
Yes, Rodimus did. But Hot Rod didn't.Agamemnon wrote:We do have Rodimus opening his chest to access the Matrix (at 2:45):
The yellow flame swings open sideways in the episode Dark Awakenings, where Optimus comes back the first time. (Now I need to look at the MP again to see how the chest opens....)
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732045)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 6th, 2015 @ 8:33pm CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 6th, 2015 @ 8:33pm CDT
Wel, with the new pics, I can safely say that this figure is an easy pass.
Looks like I'm still waiting for a decent MP Hotrod
Looks like I'm still waiting for a decent MP Hotrod
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732050)
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 9:07pm CDT
But wait, isnt rodimus ony rodimus when he weilds the matrix of leadership? Because in that episode (the clip is above), he removes the matric, hence becoming hot rod again and then recieves the matrix once again. Technically, whenever he opens his chest to insert the matrix, he is hot rod right up until the matrix fuses with him turning him into rodimus.
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 9:07pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Rodimus did. But Hot Rod didn't.
But wait, isnt rodimus ony rodimus when he weilds the matrix of leadership? Because in that episode (the clip is above), he removes the matric, hence becoming hot rod again and then recieves the matrix once again. Technically, whenever he opens his chest to insert the matrix, he is hot rod right up until the matrix fuses with him turning him into rodimus.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732058)
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 9:47pm CDT
Yup, that's what I was going to say too. Later in the episode, Prime comes to his senses and places the Matrix within Hot Rod. When the chest opened there, he was definitely Hot Rod.
Posted by Agamemnon on October 6th, 2015 @ 9:47pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Rodimus did. But Hot Rod didn't.
But wait, isnt rodimus ony rodimus when he weilds the matrix of leadership? Because in that episode (the clip is above), he removes the matric, hence becoming hot rod again and then recieves the matrix once again. Technically, whenever he opens his chest to insert the matrix, he is hot rod right up until the matrix fuses with him turning him into rodimus.
Yup, that's what I was going to say too. Later in the episode, Prime comes to his senses and places the Matrix within Hot Rod. When the chest opened there, he was definitely Hot Rod.
Agamemnon wrote:And then, of course, it opens from the other side later in the same episode (about 4:20):
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732065)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 6th, 2015 @ 11:00pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 6th, 2015 @ 11:00pm CDT
No he wasn't. Not only did he not change in size, but Optimus even called him "Rodimus" before removing the Matrix from himself and putting it into Rodimus's chest. At about 2:40 in the clip below:Agamemnon wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Rodimus did. But Hot Rod didn't.
But wait, isnt rodimus ony rodimus when he weilds the matrix of leadership? Because in that episode (the clip is above), he removes the matric, hence becoming hot rod again and then recieves the matrix once again. Technically, whenever he opens his chest to insert the matrix, he is hot rod right up until the matrix fuses with him turning him into rodimus.
Yup, that's what I was going to say too. Later in the episode, Prime comes to his senses and places the Matrix within Hot Rod. When the chest opened there, he was definitely Hot Rod.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732068)
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 11:43pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 6th, 2015 @ 11:43pm CDT
How is he Rodimus without the Matrix? Wouldnt it just be Prime seeing hot rod as the trusted leader and thus calling him by his leader name?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732076)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 7th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on October 7th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Maybe. Regardless of the reason, he's not shorter and he is addressed as "Rodimus." When Optimus gives him the Matrix and he inserts it into his chest, nothing happens to him physically. He stays the same. Therefore, it's logical to conclude that based on physical appearance and Optimus's verbal confirmation, Rodimus was Rodimus before the Matrix was given back to him, which leads me to conclude that once the Matrix changed him, it was permanent, whether he was physically connected to it or not. This is Dark Awakening. In Burden Hardest to Bear, he does revert back to his old car mode once he gives up the Matrix, but I'm not sure if he's referred to as Hot Rod or Rodimus.william-james88 wrote:How is he Rodimus without the Matrix? Wouldnt it just be Prime seeing hot rod as the trusted leader and thus calling him by his leader name?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732077)
Posted by Cyberpath on October 7th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on October 7th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
When Rodimus Prime loses the Matrix he reverts to Hot Rod.
"All right, Hot Rod is back! Lets Party!"
Same in The Burden Hardest to Bear when the Stunticons stole the Matrix...
HOT ROD: What are you all starin' at? You look like you've seen a ghost!
ULTRA MAGNUS: We have... Hot Rod.
HOT ROD: Hot R--
ULTRA MAGNUS: You no longer possess the Matrix.
HOT ROD: Yeah. I thought I felt somethin' different.
And of course permanently after The Return of Optimus Prime. (in the American continuity.
btw, @itscramtastic, good point about why Firebolt isn't included in this release.
"All right, Hot Rod is back! Lets Party!"
Same in The Burden Hardest to Bear when the Stunticons stole the Matrix...
HOT ROD: What are you all starin' at? You look like you've seen a ghost!
ULTRA MAGNUS: We have... Hot Rod.
HOT ROD: Hot R--
ULTRA MAGNUS: You no longer possess the Matrix.
HOT ROD: Yeah. I thought I felt somethin' different.
And of course permanently after The Return of Optimus Prime. (in the American continuity.
btw, @itscramtastic, good point about why Firebolt isn't included in this release.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732084)
Posted by phantom1592 on October 7th, 2015 @ 1:21am CDT
At the 3:00 mark of Agamemnon's video... he does visibily shrink on screen. As for the Rodimus name?? I have no idea. I can't look TOO closely at G1. After all, Optimus isn't Orion Pax without the Matrix, so there really is a lack of consistency for the rules.
Not to mention that Ultra Magnus never even GOT a new form... someone must have decided he was tall enough
Posted by phantom1592 on October 7th, 2015 @ 1:21am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe. Regardless of the reason, he's not shorter and he is addressed as "Rodimus." When Optimus gives him the Matrix and he inserts it into his chest, nothing happens to him physically. He stays the same. Therefore, it's logical to conclude that based on physical appearance and Optimus's verbal confirmation, Rodimus was Rodimus before the Matrix was given back to him, which leads me to conclude that once the Matrix changed him, it was permanent, whether he was physically connected to it or not. This is Dark Awakening. In Burden Hardest to Bear, he does revert back to his old car mode once he gives up the Matrix, but I'm not sure if he's referred to as Hot Rod or Rodimus.william-james88 wrote:How is he Rodimus without the Matrix? Wouldnt it just be Prime seeing hot rod as the trusted leader and thus calling him by his leader name?
At the 3:00 mark of Agamemnon's video... he does visibily shrink on screen. As for the Rodimus name?? I have no idea. I can't look TOO closely at G1. After all, Optimus isn't Orion Pax without the Matrix, so there really is a lack of consistency for the rules.
Not to mention that Ultra Magnus never even GOT a new form... someone must have decided he was tall enough
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732087)
Posted by Cyberpath on October 7th, 2015 @ 1:38am CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on October 7th, 2015 @ 1:38am CDT
Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
Ultra Magnus was also created as Ultra Magnus.
Whereas, Hot Rod was one of the Autobot cars. So the Matrix gave him a boost.
Ultra Magnus was also created as Ultra Magnus.
Whereas, Hot Rod was one of the Autobot cars. So the Matrix gave him a boost.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732092)
Posted by fenrir72 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:19am CDT
The Matrix was never meant to be UMs. Listen to Flint Dille's commentary in the movie/dvd 1986 TFTM. What we thought was an animation error was supposed to be an ominous portent (i.e. the Matrix falling out and UM re-adjusting it again). Only the animation didn'trender it properly to show the message.
Posted by fenrir72 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:19am CDT
phantom1592 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe. Regardless of the reason, he's not shorter and he is addressed as "Rodimus." When Optimus gives him the Matrix and he inserts it into his chest, nothing happens to him physically. He stays the same. Therefore, it's logical to conclude that based on physical appearance and Optimus's verbal confirmation, Rodimus was Rodimus before the Matrix was given back to him, which leads me to conclude that once the Matrix changed him, it was permanent, whether he was physically connected to it or not. This is Dark Awakening. In Burden Hardest to Bear, he does revert back to his old car mode once he gives up the Matrix, but I'm not sure if he's referred to as Hot Rod or Rodimus.william-james88 wrote:How is he Rodimus without the Matrix? Wouldnt it just be Prime seeing hot rod as the trusted leader and thus calling him by his leader name?
At the 3:00 mark of Agamemnon's video... he does visibily shrink on screen. As for the Rodimus name?? I have no idea. I can't look TOO closely at G1. After all, Optimus isn't Orion Pax without the Matrix, so there really is a lack of consistency for the rules.
Not to mention that Ultra Magnus never even GOT a new form... someone must have decided he was tall enough
The Matrix was never meant to be UMs. Listen to Flint Dille's commentary in the movie/dvd 1986 TFTM. What we thought was an animation error was supposed to be an ominous portent (i.e. the Matrix falling out and UM re-adjusting it again). Only the animation didn'trender it properly to show the message.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732098)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 7th, 2015 @ 7:28am CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 7th, 2015 @ 7:28am CDT
Upon further reflection, I really don't understand how Takara felt this was a good route to go on this figure. A shell former for masterpiece is completely ridiculous.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732102)
Posted by sol magnus on October 7th, 2015 @ 8:21am CDT
Posted by sol magnus on October 7th, 2015 @ 8:21am CDT
Nice...about a head taller than Sideswipe et al. About a head shorter than Ironhide?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732115)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 7th, 2015 @ 9:46am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 7th, 2015 @ 9:46am CDT
When Optimus puts the Matrix back into Hot Rod in that second clip from "Dark Awakening", nothing happens AT FIRST. But after Optimus walks off, Hot Rod begins struggling and groaning as his body undergoes its metamorphosis into Rodimus Prime once again. The animation is just not as clear on this since his face is still drawn as the wrinkle-free Hot Rod face during this scene. But really, AKOM was so notorious for its animation errors in that season that it really isn't a wonder that they flubbed up the animation of Hot Rod's return to his Rodimus form in that scene.
Matrix stored in his tummy.
william-james88 wrote:Is that actually where he store his matrix. For some reason I only imaging Rodimus holding it in front of him and not opening his chest flap and depositing it at the botton.
From "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4":william-james88 wrote:Still seems to sit a bit too low. Am I being too nitpicky guys?
Matrix stored in his tummy.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732130)
Posted by sto_vo_kor_2000 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:20am CDT
I respectfully disagree.
"he not change in size"
animation error, earlier we see Hotrod in alt mode and hes as big as Ultra magnus
"Optimus even called him "Rodimus"before removing the Matrix from himself and putting it into Rodimus's chest.
Blurr and Wheelie both called him Rodimus too....so call it force of habit
and as I pointed out above, earlir in the scene we see Hotrod in alt mode, he was a car not a funky camper........
same clip at 1;15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgjNs5rKhjY
" he's not shorter and he is addressed as "Rodimus." When Optimus gives him the Matrix and he inserts it into his chest, nothing happens to him physically. He stays the same. Therefore, it's logical to conclude that based on physical appearance and Optimus's verbal confirmation, Rodimus was Rodimus before the Matrix was given back to him, which leads me to conclude that once the Matrix changed him, it was permanent, whether he was physically connected to it or not. This is Dark Awakening. In Burden Hardest to Bear, he does revert back to his old car mode once he gives up the Matrix, but I'm not sure if he's referred to as Hot Rod or Rodimus.
your logic seems flawed
yes, HR wasnt shorter in those sceens, but hes seen shrinking when he gave the back earlier in the episode, he even called himself Hotrod.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ox5j ... shortfilms
and when Optimus gaqve him the matrix back some thing did happen, his body was shaking/shuttering,
and yes, in the Burden Hardest to Bear, he's referred to as Hot Rod after he looses the matrix, by Ultra magnus
us.
so based on all that, its logical to assume his height was an animation error, bthe use of the name "Rodimus" was habit and that he is only a PRIME when he is physically connected to the matrix
Posted by sto_vo_kor_2000 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:20am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:No he wasn't. Not only did he not change in size, but Optimus even called him "Rodimus" before removing the Matrix from himself and putting it into Rodimus's chest. At about 2:40 in the clip below:Agamemnon wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Rodimus did. But Hot Rod didn't.
But wait, isnt rodimus ony rodimus when he weilds the matrix of leadership? Because in that episode (the clip is above), he removes the matric, hence becoming hot rod again and then recieves the matrix once again. Technically, whenever he opens his chest to insert the matrix, he is hot rod right up until the matrix fuses with him turning him into rodimus.
Yup, that's what I was going to say too. Later in the episode, Prime comes to his senses and places the Matrix within Hot Rod. When the chest opened there, he was definitely Hot Rod.
I respectfully disagree.
"he not change in size"
animation error, earlier we see Hotrod in alt mode and hes as big as Ultra magnus
"Optimus even called him "Rodimus"before removing the Matrix from himself and putting it into Rodimus's chest.
Blurr and Wheelie both called him Rodimus too....so call it force of habit
and as I pointed out above, earlir in the scene we see Hotrod in alt mode, he was a car not a funky camper........
same clip at 1;15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgjNs5rKhjY
" he's not shorter and he is addressed as "Rodimus." When Optimus gives him the Matrix and he inserts it into his chest, nothing happens to him physically. He stays the same. Therefore, it's logical to conclude that based on physical appearance and Optimus's verbal confirmation, Rodimus was Rodimus before the Matrix was given back to him, which leads me to conclude that once the Matrix changed him, it was permanent, whether he was physically connected to it or not. This is Dark Awakening. In Burden Hardest to Bear, he does revert back to his old car mode once he gives up the Matrix, but I'm not sure if he's referred to as Hot Rod or Rodimus.
your logic seems flawed
yes, HR wasnt shorter in those sceens, but hes seen shrinking when he gave the back earlier in the episode, he even called himself Hotrod.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ox5j ... shortfilms
and when Optimus gaqve him the matrix back some thing did happen, his body was shaking/shuttering,
and yes, in the Burden Hardest to Bear, he's referred to as Hot Rod after he looses the matrix, by Ultra magnus
us.
so based on all that, its logical to assume his height was an animation error, bthe use of the name "Rodimus" was habit and that he is only a PRIME when he is physically connected to the matrix
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732132)
Posted by sto_vo_kor_2000 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:22am CDT
thats actually debatable.
and that can not be confirmed
Posted by sto_vo_kor_2000 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:22am CDT
Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
Ultra Magnus was also created as Ultra Magnus.
and that can not be confirmed
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732134)
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:27am CDT
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:27am CDT
Oh yeah.
Posing hot rod with ultra magnus may have been good for my shelf, but considering my mp-22 legs ratchet joint just broke. I don't think that will be happening. 
Posing hot rod with ultra magnus may have been good for my shelf, but considering my mp-22 legs ratchet joint just broke. I don't think that will be happening.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732137)
Posted by bigcee66 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:46am CDT
Words cannot describe how much I loathed this episode as a kid when it originally aired (showing my age here). Not only did it solidify that some of my favorite characters were dead but also the fact that they were DEFINITELY not gonna come back. Then I had to watch Optimus die...TWICE in one year smh. Remember this was all before The Return of Optimus Prime was even a thought. ok end rant lol.
Posted by bigcee66 on October 7th, 2015 @ 10:46am CDT
Agamemnon wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yes, Rodimus did. But Hot Rod didn't.
But wait, isnt rodimus ony rodimus when he weilds the matrix of leadership? Because in that episode (the clip is above), he removes the matric, hence becoming hot rod again and then recieves the matrix once again. Technically, whenever he opens his chest to insert the matrix, he is hot rod right up until the matrix fuses with him turning him into rodimus.
Yup, that's what I was going to say too. Later in the episode, Prime comes to his senses and places the Matrix within Hot Rod. When the chest opened there, he was definitely Hot Rod.Agamemnon wrote:And then, of course, it opens from the other side later in the same episode (about 4:20):
Words cannot describe how much I loathed this episode as a kid when it originally aired (showing my age here). Not only did it solidify that some of my favorite characters were dead but also the fact that they were DEFINITELY not gonna come back. Then I had to watch Optimus die...TWICE in one year smh. Remember this was all before The Return of Optimus Prime was even a thought. ok end rant lol.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732162)
Posted by Cyberpath on October 7th, 2015 @ 11:41am CDT
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
The point is that Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus were already Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus before they possessed the Matrix. They were already big and strong, so they didn't need an upgrade like Hot Rod.
Posted by Cyberpath on October 7th, 2015 @ 11:41am CDT
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ultra Magnus was also created as Ultra Magnus.
and that can not be confirmed
The point is that Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus were already Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus before they possessed the Matrix. They were already big and strong, so they didn't need an upgrade like Hot Rod.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732174)
Posted by william-james88 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:17pm CDT
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Posted by william-james88 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:17pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732175)
Posted by galvatron00 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:21pm CDT
Just throwing in some ideas pertaining to the mass shifting of Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime:
In TF:TM, when he gathers the matrix as it falls out of Optimus's hand, the matrix glows and kinda gives an effect of him looking bigger until he turns towards Ultra Magnus and we realize he's normal size as he's "giving" it to the "new leader". Later, when he pulls it from Galvatron (kinda the same glowy effect going on), he holds it above himself and "arises" as Rodimus Prime acknowledging his destiny. Galvatron shoots at him, he drops the matrix, yet he is still Rodimus Prime. Then he releases the power to destroy Unicron (but not enough that it has to be recharged and still staying as Rodimus).
Continuing!
As others have mentioned, he goes back to Hot Rod when the matrix is stolen by the Stunticons in The Burden Hardest to Bear (losing his physical connection to the matrix). He goes back to Rodimus when he regains it. Same thing in Dark Awakening, he turns it over to Optimus losing his connection and returning to Hot Rod. When Optimus returns it to him the process of acknowledgement begins and he's upgraded back to Rodimus.
Then Optimus comes back and takes it again (Return of Optimus Prime). Drains it to destroy the Hate Plague, but as he was "built" into Optimus Prime he stays normal whereas Rodimus goes back to Hot Rod.
....right?
Posted by galvatron00 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:21pm CDT
ThanksCyberpath wrote:btw, @itscramtastic, good point about why Firebolt isn't included in this release.
Just throwing in some ideas pertaining to the mass shifting of Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime:
In TF:TM, when he gathers the matrix as it falls out of Optimus's hand, the matrix glows and kinda gives an effect of him looking bigger until he turns towards Ultra Magnus and we realize he's normal size as he's "giving" it to the "new leader". Later, when he pulls it from Galvatron (kinda the same glowy effect going on), he holds it above himself and "arises" as Rodimus Prime acknowledging his destiny. Galvatron shoots at him, he drops the matrix, yet he is still Rodimus Prime. Then he releases the power to destroy Unicron (but not enough that it has to be recharged and still staying as Rodimus).
Continuing!
As others have mentioned, he goes back to Hot Rod when the matrix is stolen by the Stunticons in The Burden Hardest to Bear (losing his physical connection to the matrix). He goes back to Rodimus when he regains it. Same thing in Dark Awakening, he turns it over to Optimus losing his connection and returning to Hot Rod. When Optimus returns it to him the process of acknowledgement begins and he's upgraded back to Rodimus.
Then Optimus comes back and takes it again (Return of Optimus Prime). Drains it to destroy the Hate Plague, but as he was "built" into Optimus Prime he stays normal whereas Rodimus goes back to Hot Rod.
....right?
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732181)
Posted by william-james88 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:41pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:41pm CDT
yes, I think you have written it all very eloquently, itscramtastic. Thanks!
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732182)
Posted by galvatron00 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:49pm CDT
Also, still buying this guy. I have to. I was checking out my TRU MP Rodimus last night and after realizing I can't transform him without instruction (so I didn't, I'll give it another try tonight) I inspected things and saw stress marks and I think even a broken piece!
Makes me want to figure out a way to get the full sized matrix in TRU MP Rodimus..somehow..
Posted by galvatron00 on October 7th, 2015 @ 2:49pm CDT
Hooray!!william-james88 wrote:yes, I think you have written it all very eloquently, itscramtastic. Thanks!
Also, still buying this guy. I have to. I was checking out my TRU MP Rodimus last night and after realizing I can't transform him without instruction (so I didn't, I'll give it another try tonight) I inspected things and saw stress marks and I think even a broken piece!
Makes me want to figure out a way to get the full sized matrix in TRU MP Rodimus..somehow..
Tangent, and I'm sorry, but as bigcee66 said: TF:TM didn't fully kill all the old Autobots. Optimus in Dark Awakening did as "their chassis and servos" were sent into that sun by his Quintesson controlled self!! Dang it!! Dang it all to heck Hasbro!!bigcee66 wrote:Words cannot describe how much I loathed this episode as a kid when it originally aired (showing my age here). Not only did it solidify that some of my favorite characters were dead but also the fact that they were DEFINITELY not gonna come back.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732250)
Posted by phantom1592 on October 7th, 2015 @ 6:57pm CDT
Ohhhh??? I've only seen clips from that episode as it is and was a bit confused by that. So you're saying we've seen an Early Optimus BEFORE he got the Matrix? I had thought that was part of the whole 'rebuilding' into the ultimate warrior thing.
Like I said, I only saw clips... but was there an explaination for the Aerialbots being there when 'Optimus' was introduced? Did they go back in time? I remember Optimus bring them to life in the Key to Vector Sigma episode...
As for Hot Rod's demotion. We've seen him shrink, did he ever use an altmode? I'm curious if they brought back the Hot Rod car.
As for the toy? Something about that Altmode just... really looks OFF. Something about the way the wheels are too small or hidden or something. Instead of looking like a sweet futurish tricked out earth-car.... it looks like a Cybertronian hover car/ship or something...
I remember the movie Hot Rod as being cooler then this... but can't find any good pictures :-/
I really like my Hot Rod from the Classics... that's a cool looking car, just wish he was bit bigger.
Posted by phantom1592 on October 7th, 2015 @ 6:57pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
Ultra Magnus was also created as Ultra Magnus.
Whereas, Hot Rod was one of the Autobot cars. So the Matrix gave him a boost.
Ohhhh??? I've only seen clips from that episode as it is and was a bit confused by that. So you're saying we've seen an Early Optimus BEFORE he got the Matrix? I had thought that was part of the whole 'rebuilding' into the ultimate warrior thing.
Like I said, I only saw clips... but was there an explaination for the Aerialbots being there when 'Optimus' was introduced? Did they go back in time? I remember Optimus bring them to life in the Key to Vector Sigma episode...
As for Hot Rod's demotion. We've seen him shrink, did he ever use an altmode? I'm curious if they brought back the Hot Rod car.
As for the toy? Something about that Altmode just... really looks OFF. Something about the way the wheels are too small or hidden or something. Instead of looking like a sweet futurish tricked out earth-car.... it looks like a Cybertronian hover car/ship or something...
I remember the movie Hot Rod as being cooler then this... but can't find any good pictures :-/
I really like my Hot Rod from the Classics... that's a cool looking car, just wish he was bit bigger.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732333)
Posted by william-james88 on October 7th, 2015 @ 9:22pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 7th, 2015 @ 9:22pm CDT
At this point, I think you are better off just watching the episode War Dawn in full.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732423)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 7th, 2015 @ 11:39pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 7th, 2015 @ 11:39pm CDT
I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.william-james88 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732430)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 7th, 2015 @ 11:51pm CDT
Shame you'll never know; guess you'll have to wait until something is ret-conned in
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 7th, 2015 @ 11:51pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.william-james88 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Shame you'll never know; guess you'll have to wait until something is ret-conned in
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732454)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:13am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:13am CDT
Meh, it would just be considered a different universal stream anyway (unless Ask Vector Prime ever comes back).Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.william-james88 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Shame you'll never know; guess you'll have to wait until something is ret-conned in
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732465)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
Well, I guess everything is pointless then
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Meh, it would just be considered a different universal stream anyway (unless Ask Vector Prime ever comes back).Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.william-james88 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Shame you'll never know; guess you'll have to wait until something is ret-conned in
Well, I guess everything is pointless then
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732468)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:26am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:26am CDT
SG Lego Movie song?Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Meh, it would just be considered a different universal stream anyway (unless Ask Vector Prime ever comes back).Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.william-james88 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Shame you'll never know; guess you'll have to wait until something is ret-conned in
Well, I guess everything is pointless then
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732470)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 8th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:SG Lego Movie song?Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Meh, it would just be considered a different universal stream anyway (unless Ask Vector Prime ever comes back).Hellscream9999 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all is what's debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.william-james88 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Ah, but Orion Pax wasn't changed by the Matrix, he was rebuilt as Optimus Prime by Alpha Trion.
thats actually debatable.
It is not. It's a well-established fact in the cartoon continuity that Alpha Trion created Optimus Prime.
I am right there with you Cyberpath, I dont get how this can be debatable. It was in every version of fiction surrounding Optimus Prime. Sto_vo_kor_2000, I am glad you are here with us taking part in this conversation but simply rejecting arguments with false throw away responses like "that's actually debatable" kinda lessens everything else you present.
Shame you'll never know; guess you'll have to wait until something is ret-conned in
Well, I guess everything is pointless then
Re: A Few New Masterpiece Hot Rod Images Plus New Preorders (Soft TF Nazo Nazo, TF Decoys and Q-TF) (1732478)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 8th, 2015 @ 1:22am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 8th, 2015 @ 1:22am CDT
Allow me to add something about all these interesting details about some random fiction bits that is being discussed for several pages already.
Aaaahhhh.... That felt nice.
Aaaahhhh.... That felt nice.
