Burn wrote:DC/Marvel like to do their "reboots" and call them "jumping on points", great way to attract new readers.
IDW Transformers never had that. Oh people can say they've ended one title to start another, BUT ... those new books will often refer back to some stupidly annoying plot point from 5+ years ago and that is the one thing that shitted me off the most about these books. Casual readers aren't going to remember some incredibly minor plot point from years ago.
Burn wrote:Plus all the political and SJW nonsense.
Burn wrote:That being said, I could overlook the majority of that and enjoy the majority of the books, but I'm glad it's ending because you have a beginning and you have an ending, thirteen years has been an incredible run and there'd be few comic book series out there that can claim they did that.
But as for them starting again ... eh, how many times can we rehash the same old war? They're really going to have to step their game up.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Tommy T. wrote:Yeah I 100% agree, idw transformers is a complete mess. Stories jumping around , politics, robots in love with each other holding hands and hugging. Good riddance.
Cheesinator wrote:Reading the brazen bigotry of some people on this forum never fails to make me laugh. There is genuine comedy in the fact that an IP based around transforming alien robots has fans who are absolutely horrified by change.
I'm genuinely sorry that you guys were unable to enjoy these stories because of your personal beliefs/issues (or, in layman's terms, the "SJW nonsense" and "sexual dysphoria" ) but I've personally had a hell of a ride and taken great pleasure in introducing friends to the TF franchise via the IDW comics.
I'm glad the stories will reach definitive conclusions. If anything it will drive me to read some of the arcs/series again in the context of the overall story.
Skritz wrote:And because I'm a masochist who love to put himself into trouble:
There's a major difference in quality between clearly political works which remain nonetheless loved and enjoyable and the modern trite often churned out by hacks who also happen to be completely awful people. This seem to be quite the trend in comics that, when you don't really have any particular talent at storytelling, you resort to boring non-stories which consistent of some mix of talking mouthpieces spouting entire walls of text in speech balloons, poopy unsubtle and even stupid political allegory or just flat out demonizing a huge strawman. Something Marvel has been pretty **** bad at. See: She-Thor and the oh-so-memed to death [Unsolicited Opinions on Israel???] moment.
Robocop is a heavily political movie with a ton of social critique of it's era but had has held up because it is MORE than just Paul Verhoeven ranting about his views on certain things. It has a lot of unique artistic touches, excellent action scenes, touching moments, likeable and unlikable-in-a-good-way character and even some mild, possibly accidental symbolism (Robocop is cyborg American police Jesus?). What people have been increasingly objecting to is the vitriolic, in-your-face writing often seen in comics these days. Perhaps if the writers understood subtlety and nuance it would not be as noticeable and perhaps there would be more to like in those comics than just people making fun of extremely cringeworthy dialogue. What I'm trying to say is you can make the argument of "Everything is political, man" but then that doesn't mean it's written well or in any way that is smart.
So in other words: don't be boring. Don't be a bad writer.
Amelie wrote:Burn wrote:Plus all the political and SJW nonsense.
I'm in two minds about this.
On one hand, Transformers is a setting mainly revolved around war, which more often than not is politically motivated, especially when brought into a more modern context. Plus going back to the root of G1 has "Peace Through Tyranny" vs "Freedom is the Right Of All Sentient Beings" - those two statements alone put a political ideal at the very heart of Transformers (in my opinion). Characters need motivations to be involved in the Autobot\Decepticon war and exploring those facets of characters is often going to draw out some level of their politics and ethics. Social justice is itself political (cite - Optimus Prime's motto again), so I'm not surprised when x,y,z movements of last\this century get shadowed in my robot comic. Sexuality I can take or leave it - the G1 show had its 'romances', as did the comic to a much lesser degree (Ultra Magnus and Cindy? ) and characters being homo\bi\pan\ect~sexual doesn't phase me when 90%+ of the population seems to be their equivalent to being male.
On the other hand... "forcing the issue"... leaves a bad taste in the mouth as a reader. Political motivations, equality questions, 'moral' stories - they're all great starting points for drama, when well written - even when its written specifically to have a certain effect. But - when its two dimensional and written just for the sake of inclusion (or indeed, condemnation) - then it sucks all the drama and quality out of it. I don't want to be preached to and if you're going to lace your story with your own political agenda - you need to give the "opposite" side more of a reason to be disagreeable than "I'm a massive asshole, just because". Done well - you have Megatron, who I felt was handled excellently. Done badly, you have Sentinel Prime during the whole Titan Master thing... ugh.
Amelie wrote:13 years is more than long enough. Especially when the lore is getting more patchy than Joseph's Technicolor Dreamcoat and as threadbare as Father John's favorite "sin sock". Tying the loose ends up and giving the continuity a 'proper' ending that is well planned out is much better than say the original Marvel run with "Hey Simon, you only have a few issues to wrap this up - Transformers is over" and the (really awful, imo) Last Autobot crap.
I agree about the "same old war". I really don't want another war comic, if I'm honest. Lost Light's "Star Trek" formula wasn't a bad idea in concept, but from what I've been reading of it - the implementation seemed wonky and became far too claustrophobic and "clicky".
If its going to be a "war comic", I'd much rather the "war" was something that was going on, with stories centering around pocketfuls of characters for a while, without having to necessarily advance the war (ie - whilst group A was doing this, group B was doing this, and C ect, so the continuity remained almost a static constant, with stories set within it, creating numerous on\off points for new and old readers)
Bronzewolf wrote:"HA! This is bad comedy!"
Transformers has had robots holding hands and hugging since G1. Since Elita 1 and the femmbots. Since Powerglide's girlfriend. Since Seaspray's girlfriend.
Oh, unless, perhaps, it's the same sex couples people specifically have a problem with. Yes, in a series about autonomous robots. That don't even have organic genders to begin with. Why should it matter? It's a much more accepting world, with increased representation of sexualities, genders, races, and religion in ALL forms of media. Get used to it, because that's all any media is going to be for the rest of time. Complaining about politics in a story based around a war between two races of a species is a redundant and fruitless battle.
I'm sure that will get me all sorts of comments, but *shrug*
One of the main reasons I'm glad it's ending is so I can pick up on page 1. Be with the new continuity from the beginning, and not have a 13 year backlog staring me down. I look forward to seeing where it goes from here,
fenrir72 wrote:Bronzewolf wrote:"HA! This is bad comedy!"
Transformers has had robots holding hands and hugging since G1. Since Elita 1 and the femmbots. Since Powerglide's girlfriend. Since Seaspray's girlfriend.
Oh, unless, perhaps, it's the same sex couples people specifically have a problem with. Yes, in a series about autonomous robots. That don't even have organic genders to begin with. Why should it matter? It's a much more accepting world, with increased representation of sexualities, genders, races, and religion in ALL forms of media. Get used to it, because that's all any media is going to be for the rest of time. Complaining about politics in a story based around a war between two races of a species is a redundant and fruitless battle.
I'm sure that will get me all sorts of comments, but *shrug*
One of the main reasons I'm glad it's ending is so I can pick up on page 1. Be with the new continuity from the beginning, and not have a 13 year backlog staring me down. I look forward to seeing where it goes from here,
So you don't want the consumer, who has some purchasing investment on a product to complain and just be a lemming and accept?
Kind of a slippery slope you are advocating. Well, the "consumer" can do is complain with their wallet and stop buying the product which will kill the franchise.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Bronzewolf wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Bronzewolf wrote:"HA! This is bad comedy!"
Transformers has had robots holding hands and hugging since G1. Since Elita 1 and the femmbots. Since Powerglide's girlfriend. Since Seaspray's girlfriend.
Oh, unless, perhaps, it's the same sex couples people specifically have a problem with. Yes, in a series about autonomous robots. That don't even have organic genders to begin with. Why should it matter? It's a much more accepting world, with increased representation of sexualities, genders, races, and religion in ALL forms of media. Get used to it, because that's all any media is going to be for the rest of time. Complaining about politics in a story based around a war between two races of a species is a redundant and fruitless battle.
I'm sure that will get me all sorts of comments, but *shrug*
One of the main reasons I'm glad it's ending is so I can pick up on page 1. Be with the new continuity from the beginning, and not have a 13 year backlog staring me down. I look forward to seeing where it goes from here,
So you don't want the consumer, who has some purchasing investment on a product to complain and just be a lemming and accept?
Kind of a slippery slope you are advocating. Well, the "consumer" can do is complain with their wallet and stop buying the product which will kill the franchise.
...that isn't really a genuine counterpoint to anything I said. You do understand how hypocritical you're being when complaining, correct? War. Is. Political. There is not a single part of any organized war that isn't political. Unless, again, the complaint is specifically about the inclusion of LGBTQ characters?
fenrir72 wrote:Are ABCDEFG issues sacred cows that'd can't be "criticized?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
fenrir72 wrote:That is a slippery slope. Are ABCDEFG issues sacred cows that'd can't be "criticized?
And again about "change". Hb did try( some say cynical one at that) back in 1986 when they tried to "change" a character by killing Optimus Prime. See where it got them. Not all change is good. Especially a cash cow that keeps on giving like the character Optimus. SW was just like that, an unlimited cash cow/ golden goose until............
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