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Can't we take those universe designations as fun little nods, and be appreciative that Hasbro is aware of the origins of certain characters? True, they slipped a bit with Scourge, but compared to the other lines Car Robots and Robots in Disguise (2001) have been pretty weird beasts. Maybe pairing them like Armada/Micron Densetsu, Energon/Superlink and Cybertron/Galaxy Force was just the easiest thing to do to make everything less cluttered.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So they'll put these up for pre-order, possibly at the same time that they're going on shelves, but those that PO will have to wait 6 months for their orders to be filled.

That's just customary at this point.

Well far be it for me to go against customs.

So in a bizarre turn of events, it appears that CRASHER ALREADY LEAKED.
Credit for the photos appears to go to Monari on TFW, they didn't state an external source of these images. One of their leakers is already vouching for it being real (albeit the one with the sketchiest track record), and outside of that I'm inclined to believe it's real since it's an yet-unseen combination of Kingdom body with Siege Holo Mirage/toy head while also visibly having parts cast in different base plastic colors from the Kingdom figure. If that's a custom, it's the most extensive custom I've ever come across, at least.

Dunno about anyone else, but if this is real then I'm satisfied with it.

So it will be the Mirage mold then.

Of course, it have to be in the impossible to get Velocitron line.

Wow, wave 1 of the Velocitron line hasn't even been released yet and we already have a leak for wave 2. TFW2005 user Monari has posted these images of the never before seen toy in their possession. It is an homage to Go Bot using a yet-unseen combination of Kingdom body with Siege Holo Mirage head while also visibly having parts cast in different base plastic colors from the Kingdom figure. You'll let us know what you think of the figure. We thank Nemesis Primal for cluing us in on this leak and the details.

Well, that's one less bot on my want list. I was REALLY hoping for a retool of PotP Jazz, which was probably a pipe dream anyway, given the "mass-shifting" we're seeing in toys these days.

Man seeing those alt mode pics makes me nostalgic for the 07 movie crasher. Now that was a figure that made the classics mirage mold work. This new one is looks pretty good as well, if legit

ZeroWolf wrote:Man seeing those alt mode pics makes me nostalgic for the 07 movie crasher. Now that was a figure that made the classics mirage mold work. This new one is looks pretty good as well, if legit

Haha, I felt the same thing

Crasher... Yes please

I’m a huge huge gobots fan. When action toys started up machine robo I grabbed my Cy-kill do. I’ve been waiting for a crashed for a while. Got really excited for the news of her being released. Never been a huge fan of the racer body for her. It’s acceptable for now but that head sculpt? Not crasher. As someone else pointed out potp jazz was the perfect retool body. Why not just go there? Sculpt a beautiful new head and just keep the rest literally the same. I’d buy that version no questions asked. This however I’ll get but I already know I’m gonna paint pupils in the eyes. I guess for now it’s an actual branded crasher. Here’s hoping one day we get an actual amazing third party figure. Definitely disappointed in this mirage repaint body. Time to overhaul the go-bots.

While I understand the want for Crasher from PotP Jazz as I made one myself from Stepper, I still think a Dragstrip retool would've been perfect. The way the parts line up on the chest and their placement on the alt mode as well as the front scoop being just a small retool away from going behind the head, it would've worked so well. Far better than any version of WFC Mirage would've been.

And again, the fact that Dragstrip is a combiner piece doesn't matter as it's barely noticeable. Nothing with the mold is sacrificed for the combining aspect. Not that I would care anyway in the case of Hasbro using PotP Jazz. With Jazz though, it's more to the effect that the mold kind of sucks compared to so many other CW/PotP limbs. Yeah a retool of Jazz would look amazing but since you're retooling the mold anyway to get flip the front and back, why not just put that same retool budget into a better base mold like Dragstrip to get the same effect. The front scoop is so close to working as it is. Seriously, pop them off the shoulders and put them behind the head. They fit perfectly in between the shoulder wheels and don't limit articulation. Not that the second set of wheels would be there though as those would be retooled away.

Just retool the front scoop to move down and back behind the head. Retool the front wheels so there's only one set. Retool the cockpit to not be open. And then retool the spoiler. Maybe retool the engine too I guess.

It's not like I won't get this if it is indeed what's being released though. I just think that it's a letdown.

Grahf_ wrote:While I understand the want for Crasher from PotP Jazz as I made one myself from Stepper, I still think a Dragstrip retool would've been perfect. The way the parts line up on the chest and their placement on the alt mode as well as the front scoop being just a small retool away from going behind the head, it would've worked so well. Far better than any version of WFC Mirage would've been.

And again, the fact that Dragstrip is a combiner piece doesn't matter as it's barely noticeable. Nothing with the mold is sacrificed for the combining aspect. Not that I would care anyway in the case of Hasbro using PotP Jazz. With Jazz though, it's more to the effect that the mold kind of sucks compared to so many other CW/PotP limbs. Yeah a retool of Jazz would look amazing but since you're retooling the mold anyway to get flip the front and back, why not just put that same retool budget into a better base mold like Dragstrip to get the same effect. The front scoop is so close to working as it is. Seriously, pop them off the shoulders and put them behind the head. They fit perfectly in between the shoulder wheels and don't limit articulation. Not that the second set of wheels would be there though as those would be retooled away.

Just retool the front scoop to move down and back behind the head. Retool the front wheels so there's only one set. Retool the cockpit to not be open. And then retool the spoiler. Maybe retool the engine too I guess.

It's not like I won't get this if it is indeed what's being released though. I just think that it's a letdown.

A retool would be more expensive then what this is (a redeco with a previously used mirage head)

Yeah, "this mold would be perfect if they changed almost every part" isn't that compelling an argument.

Think I'm sticking with Fracture. would have picked it up if it was a potp jazz reuse

Grahf_ wrote:While I understand the want for Crasher from PotP Jazz as I made one myself from Stepper, I still think a Dragstrip retool would've been perfect. The way the parts line up on the chest and their placement on the alt mode as well as the front scoop being just a small retool away from going behind the head, it would've worked so well. Far better than any version of WFC Mirage would've been.

And again, the fact that Dragstrip is a combiner piece doesn't matter as it's barely noticeable. Nothing with the mold is sacrificed for the combining aspect. Not that I would care anyway in the case of Hasbro using PotP Jazz. With Jazz though, it's more to the effect that the mold kind of sucks compared to so many other CW/PotP limbs. Yeah a retool of Jazz would look amazing but since you're retooling the mold anyway to get flip the front and back, why not just put that same retool budget into a better base mold like Dragstrip to get the same effect. The front scoop is so close to working as it is. Seriously, pop them off the shoulders and put them behind the head. They fit perfectly in between the shoulder wheels and don't limit articulation. Not that the second set of wheels would be there though as those would be retooled away.

Just retool the front scoop to move down and back behind the head. Retool the front wheels so there's only one set. Retool the cockpit to not be open. And then retool the spoiler. Maybe retool the engine too I guess.

It's not like I won't get this if it is indeed what's being released though. I just think that it's a letdown.

The Mirage repaint with new face is perfect for crasher, no other mold would do it proper justice.
I have the POTP Jazz and looking at him it just doesn't fit for the bot mode, I can kind of see with the alt mode but the upcoming racecar mode is more sleek. Ill take what we are getting any day.

Actual Crasher images
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TRMtWvqqI-k/maxresdefault.jpg

https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/e/ ... rasher.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0758/ ... 1545495626

I also have her as Decepticon Fracture the generations mirage repaint and that is closer than the Jazz.

I'm not saying that it would be cheap. I'm going back to things that were said when this was first leaked. People were going on about retooling PotP Jazz since the alt mode was already the correct one. But since they also said to retool the entire top and front of the vehicle mode as well as the arms to get the proper robot mode look, you might as well just use a better mold to begin with like Legacy Dragstrip. It's not like half of the things I said even needed to be done when you compare to the nothing that was done to Mirage. Assuming that this is what we're getting. The shapes of the parts and their placement are already there as it is, so really only the front scoop retool would be all that's needed to complete the look. The rest would just be extra but not necessary.

I also talked about the budget. They were going to retool a good amount of Origins Bumblebee to get Cosmos but they managed to work within the budget to make him a new figure entirely. So there is a budget set aside to work on either retools or new molds outright. The fist Velocitron line had enough budget for two new molds (one voyager and one deluxe) and an extensive retool of another deluxe besides the three new heads. Two of the three heads should already have been designed and on the sprues already though with possibly Hauler's being new entirely. So why would I think that this line wouldn't have a similar budget? With the figures that were leaked so far, it doesn't seem that the budget is being stretched yet at all. So why not spend some of it on Crasher? They could be using some of it for Shadow Striker but we just don't know yet as only three names have been leaked so far.

And yeah, it's not like people did this exact same thing when Override was first leaked saying that SS86 Hot Rod would be perfect if they just retooled everything. Oh wait, they did.

Grahf_ wrote:I'm not saying that it would be cheap. I'm going back to things that were said when this was first leaked. People were going on about retooling PotP Jazz since the alt mode was already the correct one. But since they also said to retool the entire top and front of the vehicle mode as well as the arms to get the proper robot mode look, you might as well just use a better mold to begin with like Legacy Dragstrip. It's not like half of the things I said even needed to be done when you compare to the nothing that was done to Mirage. Assuming that this is what we're getting. The shapes of the parts and their placement are already there as it is, so really only the front scoop retool would be all that's needed to complete the look. The rest would just be extra but not necessary.

I also talked about the budget. They were going to retool a good amount of Origins Bumblebee to get Cosmos but they managed to work within the budget to make him a new figure entirely. So there is a budget set aside to work on either retools or new molds outright. The fist Velocitron line had enough budget for two new molds (one voyager and one deluxe) and an extensive retool of another deluxe besides the three new heads. Two of the three heads should already have been designed and on the sprues already though with possibly Hauler's being new entirely. So why would I think that this line wouldn't have a similar budget? With the figures that were leaked so far, it doesn't seem that the budget is being stretched yet at all. So why not spend some of it on Crasher? They could be using some of it for Shadow Striker but we just don't know yet as only three names have been leaked so far.

And yeah, it's not like people did this exact same thing when Override was first leaked saying that SS86 Hot Rod would be perfect if they just retooled everything. Oh wait, they did.

I am one of the few that said that they should use the kingdom mirage mold as soon as the leak about the toy came out. I even said it on reddit and some douche replied that I was stupid and it wouldn't happen that they would use the POTP jazz mold. Now that guy really looks like the dick bag he truly is.

That head doesn't work at all for Crasher

They would never have used the POTP mold. This toy isn't just a reference to the Gobot but to Hasbro's Transformers Crasher so Mirage was what most people guessed (rightfully).

RiddlerJ wrote:That head doesn't work at all for Crasher

The toy-accurate Holo Mirage head is the closest to being circular and the most similar to Crasher's cartoon head design. Yes, it may require some squinting, but that's Hasbro for you: if it works even remotely, it works.

I have noticed that all the black on this Crasher is paint. While that doesn't necessarily make this a hoax, it does seem only white and grey plastic is used.

RiddlerJ wrote:That head doesn't work at all for Crasher

I'll most likely paint her "lips" red like I did on the Generations Fracture/crasher to see if that helps. I do agree about head, well the face as if you look at the original crashers toon her head resembled mirage in a way, maybe if they gave her a sinister female face it may have been better.

The current face looks too... Happy?

I, I don't think I like it. That Earthrise Mirage mold didn't feel good to me, and neither did the Siege one, and this just seems off. There might be some legalities over doing a more toy-accurate car mold, I still might go for it.

I wonder if they'll put "GoBot Universe" on the package

AcademyofDrX wrote:I wonder if they'll put "GoBot Universe" on the package

That would be a thing, wouldn't it? Or just "Decepticon Fracture" after the Movie toy to be extra safe in having at least a (legal) base toy.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I, I don't think I like it. That Earthrise Mirage mold didn't feel good to me, and neither did the Siege one, and this just seems off. There might be some legalities over doing a more toy-accurate car mold, I still might go for it.

The original was a Ligier JS11 race car, I have been searching around to see if there were any noted legal issues with them using that exact style car.