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finally a more even fight for goku.

Sure Goku is tough, but can he take down the most powerful demon in DnD? This is Orcus at his most powerful mind you before the gods themselves were forced to kill him.

I'll vote for Orcus

I don't really know who Orcus is, plus even if he kills Goku, Goku will just come back, much stronger and floor the guy

Rodimus_Major86 wrote:I don't really know who Orcus is, plus even if he kills Goku, Goku will just come back, much stronger and floor the guy

If you don't really know who Orcus is or just how bat-Sh*t powerful this demon is... then why even comment? I mean you have the internet; wiki him.

Hell the guy had the power of the Last Word, meaning he could slay deities just by speaking it.

Not to mention he can raise Goku's dead body as a zombie minion to add insult to injury.

Optimus Eeyore wrote:Not to mention he can raise Goku's dead body as a zombie minion to add insult to injury.

Another good point on this match up ^. Orcus apparently is a "god" and god's have insane power usually...I noticed whenever someone mentions DBZ, it's almost always Goku.

ARe we using AD&D, D&D3.5, or 4th edition ?

now if we turn Goku into a D&D character, what are the sayian racial traits? WHat class is he? I'd say MOnk, but hes rather chaotic imho, maybe the Chaos Monk variant from a dragon magazine? Have hime Take the firey fist and Ki blast feats. maybe a few levels of psionic warriorfor some z-fighter-esque abilities.

Name_Violation wrote:ARe we using AD&D, D&D3.5, or 4th edition ?

now if we turn Goku into a D&D character, what are the sayian racial traits? WHat class is he? I'd say MOnk, but hes rather chaotic imho, maybe the Chaos Monk variant from a dragon magazine? Have hime Take the firey fist and Ki blast feats. maybe a few levels of psionic warriorfor some z-fighter-esque abilities.

I'd say Orcus at the height of his power so ADnD. If you want what goku would be just check out the DnD wiki. They actually have the Sayain race and Z fighter class

thats waaay too powerful for a +1 Level adjustment. also that stuff isn't compatable with AD&D, thats 2nd edition. Orcus is in 2nd Edition fiend folio I believe and actually a little weak, except for his mace.

I'd go with BoVD Orcus. OR the one fron Hordes of th Abyss.

Name_Violation wrote:thats waaay too powerful for a +1 Level adjustment. also that stuff isn't compatable with AD&D, thats 2nd edition. Orcus is in 2nd Edition fiend folio I believe and actually a little weak, except for his mace.

I'd go with BoVD Orcus. OR the one fron Hordes of th Abyss.

never saw his stats for those. but yeah, DnD wiki has some over powered stuff. angels of death (I think that's teh race I'm thinking of) get huge stat boosts and no penalties. The stuff I make on there is always pretty balanced.

But back to my post about him being from ADnD: I got the editions mixed up.

i use it for a few things. i like the new pathfinder system. its done by the guys who did dragon magazine, its basically DnD 3.75. stronger power level, get feats every 2 levels instead of every 3 levels, combined skills, beefier casters, ect

Both are over-powered and wrong. Jet Pac for ZX Spectrum wins. It's a simple game in design but very hard in practice. I tried an emulator last night.