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Posted: **Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:05 am**

Va'al wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw i hope the 40 or so minutes extra extended version on Blu Ray is true

Is there any source whatsoever for this?
(except for a picture on the internet, which is not a fact, just.. a picture on the internet)

This is a. Hoax. if anyone wants to look up the home video cover, just search for the film on walmart.ca

Posted: **Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:08 pm**

'Transformers' Stupendous 82% Friday-To-Friday Collapse Is One For The Record Books

Transformers: The Last Knight is having the same impact this week, but for all the wrong reasons. Its 82.2 percent plunge today from the previous Friday’s $54 million opening (including midnight grosses) to just $8.5 million (RMB 58 million) today is the most spectacular Friday-to-Friday drop I can recall for a wide release in China.

If its daily numbers keep crumbling the way they have, The Last Knight will struggle to make it to $240 million over the course of its PRC release. That may sound like a big number, and it would indeed rank as one of the biggest totals ever for a Hollywood release in the PRC, but even so it would still qualify as a catastrophic shortfall from pre-release expectations. A $240 million Last Knight Middle Kingdom total would equate to a 25 percent decrease in revenue from the last Transformers film, Age of Extinction, which pulled in a then-record $320 million in 2014. The 25 percent drop in the context of China’s overall 50% market growth during that three-year period make The Last Knight’s collapse all the more impressive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/06/30/transformers-stupendous-82-friday-to-friday-collapse-is-one-for-the-record-books/#7605277b6fd6

This is foreshadowing the end of Bayformers. Finally.

Posted: **Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:37 pm**

Dmhead wrote:This is foreshadowing the end of Bayformers. Finally.

If true then possibly signalling the end of my interest in Transformers. But I dunno about that cos we got Bumblebee's 'solo' movie in production.

I want a new between-movie movie line dammit, I loved Hunt for the Decepticons and TF2010.

Posted: **Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:38 pm**

Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Dmhead wrote:This is foreshadowing the end of Bayformers. Finally.

If true then possibly signalling the end of my interest in Transformers. But I dunno about that cos we got Bumblebee's 'solo' movie in production.

I want a new between-movie movie line dammit, I loved Hunt for the Decepticons and TF2010.

I doubt Hasbro will stop making movies at this point, they're too much of a cash cow. But if they're not making us much as they could, it may cause them to reevaluate the direction they've been going in and bring in a more competent director.

Posted: **Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:21 pm**

You can bet we're going to get a similar shake up situation in Paramount like what happened with DC some months ago. This is nessessary, because Paramount can't play on a dead horse any longer. People are fed up with Transformers, and the numbers at the box office don't lie. It doesn't have legs both domestic and international. I propose they reboot the whole series from the Bumblebee movie.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:07 pm**

A new week, a new update on the international faring of Transformers: The Last Knight, with still a couple of markets to release the movie (notably Japan, Spain, Brazil, Mexico). China is still holding the highest grossing box office import, but the numbers have dropped - significantly, as has happened in most other markets - from the opening weekend and week.

The unfortunate trend is found pretty much everywhere else that the movie has shown, despite number 1 positions for France, Belgium, and India where it just opened. Full numbers and projections can be found below, and over at Deadline, plus a couple of analyses found on Forbes show how we're looking more at a global $600M income for Paramount's fifth instalment, including a comparison with Age of Extinction during the same span.

Falling 66% from its international launch last weekend, Paramount’s 5th movie in the bots franchise grossed $68M this session. That’s in 44 markets with three new openings. The offshore cume is now $327.8M. France ($5M/815 dates), India ($3.5M/1,129 dates) and Belgium ($719K/156 dates) were all new No. 1s.

In holds, China leads at $29.5M from 7,000 locations this weekend. That lifts the total there to $193.5M after 10 days. The film dropped 76% in the Middle Kingdom (it had already seen a bigger than expected Saturday to Sunday drop last session and has suffered poor word of mouth). It will not reach the hoped for heights of its predecessor, Age Of Extinction, which set a new record there in 2014. That film played into the (unofficial) July blackout and became the biggest import ever (at the time) after 12 days of release. It’s not clear if the temporary moratorium on outside pics is being fully enforced by the PROC this year. Currently Despicable Me 3 is the last Hollywood film slated for a while.

Elsewhere, the best hold was in Germany which added $3.6M for a local cume of $9.7M. In Korea, Bumblebee got stung by local pic Anarchist From Colony to land at No. 2 for the sophomore session with $3M/$17.6M cume (2nd best overseas market). Russia added $2.1M for $13.1M to date and the UK toyed with another $2.1M for a $10.2M cume.

In South East Asia, Malaysia leads with $7.2M to date. Taiwan is at $5.8M. There are still major markets to release including Brazil and Mexico in two weeks and Japan and Spain in early August.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:21 pm**

I like these movies I really do and always will even TLK but Paramount brought this to themselves since they and that hack Lorenzo's effortless attitude has made the film series and presumably the brand as a whole suffered.

Also I thought the writing team they brought in was supposed to be so that this exact situation didn't happen?

I enjoyed most of what was on screen like I always do but just like the others besides maybe the 2007 film TLK could of been so much more if the Bee movie fails too it's over and no reboot is going to save it no matter how much nostalgia they shove in I mean heck the original 1986 film didn't do amazing in theaters either.

Paramount is in a corner since Transformers is their last reliable cash maker after their countless recent flops and so is Hasbro since this, the extremely poor handling of Prime and Rid, the recent decline of interest in the IDW comics partially due to IDW's poor business decisions, once Titans Return and the Bee movie which is likely going to be the last live action film there isn't going to be anything for me here in this brand which sucks since Transformers is my last big hobby.

Sorry for the long post and maybe rant but I had to vent since this situation is depressing me especially since I just saw the film a couple more times in the theater and the awe effect is lost.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:33 pm**

this is a really bad time for paramount.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:41 pm**

When TLK is done in theaters can someone please make some sort of visual depiction, such as a bar graph, to compare all 5 movies profits?

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:43 pm**

griftimus prime wrote:this is a really bad time for paramount.

And to be a Transformers fan if this keeps up since if it gets worse enough that's going to be the end of our franchise and even if another Transforming robots brand comes around it's not going to be Transformers.

Paramount might have made good films in the past but that's the past and if Paramount has had flop after flop in a row I think there's a reason for it now Paramount has to think and put hard work into getting out of the hole they dug and get them out of their vegetative state.

Even if they do a reboot which is going to be tricky they can't super rely on nostalgia to bring in the crowd since most people from G1's time are in their 40's and there's only so much time before they lose interest in the brand which just leaves the younger crowd and since movies as an interest is dwindling due to the expense of theater and young people like myself being more interested in Youtube/Netflix same with toys with things like video games becoming bigger and bigger as the years go by.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:58 pm**

Deadput wrote:if this keeps up since if it gets worse enough that's going to be the end of our franchise

I doubt it will be that bad if the movies fail, this brand has run almost continuously for the past 32 years showing how versatile it really is.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:01 pm**

Deadput wrote:
griftimus prime wrote:this is a really bad time for paramount.

And to be a Transformers fan if this keeps up since if it gets worse enough that's going to be the end of our franchise and even if another Transforming robots brand comes around it's not going to be Transformers.

Kid, this franchise existed long before the movies, and it will exist in some form or another long after the movies. The toys themselves are the driving force and as long as they turn a profit, they'll stick around.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:02 pm**

The single point in time Transformers ever had a drop in sales was the very late 80s and early 90s -- and even then they still had toys from the shelves. And after that it was able to sell as a premier boys toy for 10 years straight with no movies. If the Live-action movies end, I have faith the brand won't sink with it for a good while.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:04 pm**

Graviton wrote:I doubt it will be that bad if the movies fail, this brand has run almost continuously for the past 32 years showing how versatile it really is.

Yeah Transformers has done great and has "cheated" death before but every franchise is going to end at some point because nothing lasts forever and I honestly doubt that Transformers at the very least Hasbro/Takara's Transformers are going to outlive me unless I die early on in my life (19 right now soon to be 20) Transforming robots themselves will last for a long time it's just not guaranteed to be Transformers forever.

Unless we get another Beast Wars or another 2007 movie to bring more life to our franchise the brand is going to die in the slow dwindling way like GI-Joe for example.

Transformers survive because they "transform" the brand so that there is always something new to prevent fatigue.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:08 pm**

JazZeke wrote:Kid, this franchise existed long before the movies, and it will exist in some form or another long after the movies. The toys themselves are the driving force and as long as they turn a profit, they'll stick around.

There will always be a form of Transforming robot but it's not always going to be Transformers just like how there will always be toys but thier not going to be the same a few hundred years from now.

It won't because that's not how life works and even if it did were not always going to hold interest in the brand because we will have to grow up at some point and move on with more pressing matters.

Like eventually Transformers is going to move on from Optimus Prime and Megatron and all of the other cast and there are going to be new characters and concepts.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:09 pm**

Everything ends at some point, but there's a lot of franchises that have managed to put up a bloody good fight -- how do we know Transformers won't last as long as say, Sherlock has? Or Shakespeare?
... feels wrong comparing Transformers to those two with the context of the live-action movies, but the point stands. It could very easily last a damn long time before dying and then inevitably getting resurrected by 2140's 2110s nostalgia kick :lol:

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:11 pm**

Kurona wrote:Everything ends at some point, but there's a lot of franchises that have managed to put up a bloody good fight -- how do we know Transformers won't last as long as say, Sherlock has? Or Shakespeare?
... feels wrong comparing Transformers to those two with the context of the live-action movies, but the point stands. It could very easily last a damn long time before dying and then inevitably getting resurrected by 2140's 2110s nostalgia kick

It will last yes I'm not saying or doubting that Transformers will end in the next few years but something is going to have to change whether for good or bad.

I'm thinking of Doctor Who that show has lived for a long time but it does do things to stay fresh like the whole regenerating Doctor thing that guy has going on.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:47 pm**

Some Obie's are not doing good as others do like them to be despicable me 3 is number one Wonder Woman is number three cars is number five spot

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:23 pm**

I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:44 pm**

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

At least now I know I'm not a fan of anything. I won't blindly defend these movies just because I like them. I've shunned and condemned entire goddamn properties I once loved and adored, all because they put out something I didn't like. Marvel, Star Wars, and most recently the Mass Effect games are among those properties. I'm just hoping Transformers doesn't join the ranks.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:46 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

At least now I know I'm not a fan of anything. I won't blindly defend these movies just because I like them. I've shunned and condemned entire goddamn properties I once loved and adored, all because they put out something I didn't like. Marvel, Star Wars, and most recently the Mass Effect games are among those properties. I'm just hoping Transformers doesn't join the ranks.

It's... okay to like something that isn't good. That's what "guilty pleasures" are.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:54 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:59 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

At least now I know I'm not a fan of anything. I won't blindly defend these movies just because I like them. I've shunned and condemned entire goddamn properties I once loved and adored, all because they put out something I didn't like. Marvel, Star Wars, and most recently the Mass Effect games are among those properties. I'm just hoping Transformers doesn't join the ranks.
It's... okay to like something that isn't good. That's what "guilty pleasures" are.

Nope. I look at everything from an objective point of view. If I say something is "the greatest thing of all time," it has to live up to those standards, otherwise, it ceases to be the greatest. And I only associate myself with the best.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:01 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

At least now I know I'm not a fan of anything. I won't blindly defend these movies just because I like them. I've shunned and condemned entire goddamn properties I once loved and adored, all because they put out something I didn't like. Marvel, Star Wars, and most recently the Mass Effect games are among those properties. I'm just hoping Transformers doesn't join the ranks.
It's... okay to like something that isn't good. That's what "guilty pleasures" are.

Nope. I look at everything from an objective point of view. If I say something is "the greatest thing of all time," it has to live up to those standards, otherwise, it ceases to be the greatest. And I only associate myself with the best.

But the very notion of "the greatest thing of all time" is objectively a subjective concept in and of itself.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:10 pm**

Hellscream9999 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm not sad, they brought this on themselves by not getting their writing in order, maybe they should hire actually talented writers next time...

I'm honestly finding it more sad that I just don't care. This franchise is literally my favorite thing on the planet, and I couldn't give a damn less that it's hurting right now. I haven't even seen the movie a second time. I watched AOE a whole 7 times in theaters, but I have no desire to see TLK again. They should have delivered on what they promised the first damn time.

I think that's the part that stings the most, that this writer's room was touted for so long to be a turning point for the storytelling aspect and writing, but all they did was force random things they read about (headmasters, duocons, quintessa, time travel, the true nature of earth...) and cram them into this movie without doing anything beyond that to make it any good

Yeah, they hyped up this whole writers room, like it was going to be the savior of the franchise. But then it turned out that the writing was the absolute worst thing about the movie. I'm convinced all the writers room did was write all the lore. I truly don't believe they even tried to write a cohesive, impactful story. And the bad part is that it has all the elements for a great story, but it was completely squandered by the execution.

It's funny, because I always wondered why everyone gave a **** about the story in movies. I guess now I know why.

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