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Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:42 am**

Tra Gen Studio Series Deluxe WFC Decepticon Infantry
Product Number: F8763

Tra Gen Studio Series Deluxe Next Gen Bumblebee
Product Number: F8764

Tra Gen Studio Series Deluxe HM Megatron
Product Number: F9849

Tra Gen A Level AST MV8 OP
Product Number: G0221

Tra Gen A Level AST 86 Bumblebee
Product Number: G0220

So,Decepticon infantry? This guy?

: Infantry

What is Next Gen?

HM Megatron?

What does ‘A Level AST’ mean?

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:05 pm**

Overcracker wrote:What is Next Gen?

HM Megatron?

What does ‘A Level AST’ mean?

We don't know yet.

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:38 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
Overcracker wrote:What is Next Gen?

HM Megatron?

What does ‘A Level AST’ mean?
We don't know yet.

Mysterious.

Specially because A Level AST is applied to the probable next movie Prime, and an 86 Bumblebee. :-?

The game’s afoot.

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:26 pm**

Overcracker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Overcracker wrote:What is Next Gen?

HM Megatron?

What does ‘A Level AST’ mean?
We don't know yet.

Mysterious.

Specially because A Level AST is applied to the probable next movie Prime, and an 86 Bumblebee.
The game’s afoot.

At the very least, "AST" usually means "assortment".

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:40 pm**

So is that .. Studio Series Movie 8 Optimus Prime? how curious. I feel like a lot of these mightve gotten the big translation garble effect and we'll have to wait and see

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:04 pm**

M. Spector wrote:So is that .. Studio Series Movie 8 Optimus Prime? how curious. I feel like a lot of these mightve gotten the big translation garble effect and we'll have to wait and see

We're not entirely sure, since it's also listed under "A Level AST" instead of "Studio Series", and have a product number that better resembles those that belong to a capsule subline.

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:36 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
M. Spector wrote:So is that .. Studio Series Movie 8 Optimus Prime? how curious. I feel like a lot of these mightve gotten the big translation garble effect and we'll have to wait and see
We're not entirely sure, since it's also listed under "A Level AST" instead of "Studio Series", and have a product number that better resembles those that belong to a capsule subline.

And the product number also changed from starting with F to starting with G. That usually means a different line of production as well with different guidelines for aesthetic. So I doubt they will be Studio Series, though being designated "MV8" and "86" does give me pause.

If we indeed get a SS86 Bee, will it be another use of the Netflix mold, perhaps in a brighter yellow like Buzzworthy Bee was? And does that mean Prime will be a figure of Prime from the fully animated movie scheduled to come out next year, which is apparently labeled "movie 8?"

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:51 pm**

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
M. Spector wrote:So is that .. Studio Series Movie 8 Optimus Prime? how curious. I feel like a lot of these mightve gotten the big translation garble effect and we'll have to wait and see
We're not entirely sure, since it's also listed under "A Level AST" instead of "Studio Series", and have a product number that better resembles those that belong to a capsule subline.
And the product number also changed from starting with F to starting with G. That usually means a different line of production as well with different guidelines for aesthetic. So I doubt they will be Studio Series, though being designated "MV8" and "86" does give me pause.

If we indeed get a SS86 Bee, will it be another use of the Netflix mold, perhaps in a brighter yellow like Buzzworthy Bee was? And does that mean Prime will be a figure of Prime from the fully animated movie scheduled to come out next year, which is apparently labeled "movie 8?"

That's what he was saying, G0200 series is the Star Seeker capsule so these are probably also exclusive.

I wouldn't trust the MV8 part too much. Just like how MV6 Frenzy is most definitely SS86 Frenzy, MV8 OP is probably SS86 OP. I would be very surprised if movie 8 happens next year or even in the next two years given ROTB's poor performance.

Emerje

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:54 pm**

Overcracker wrote:
Tra Gen Studio Series Deluxe WFC Decepticon Infantry
Product Number: F8763

Tra Gen Studio Series Deluxe Next Gen Bumblebee
Product Number: F8764

Tra Gen Studio Series Deluxe HM Megatron
Product Number: F9849

Tra Gen A Level AST MV8 OP
Product Number: G0221

Tra Gen A Level AST 86 Bumblebee
Product Number: G0220

So,Decepticon infantry? This guy?
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What is Next Gen?

HM Megatron?

What does ‘A Level AST’ mean?

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:09 am**

Last night, my customs page on this site reached 1 million views! I've got a few things to celebrate:

First off is a group shot of every Studio Series custom I've done over the years! This took a long time to set up xD

Second, I'm holding a vote for what my extra DOTM Bumblebee gets repainted into! Here's the link:

https://forms.gle/oMYo4Bg4wJbs2DBB9

Thank you again to everyone whos checked out my work either on the page or over in this thread!

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:37 am**

Congrats and I voted for Goldfire/Goldbug.
By principle, he should also have the battlemask head.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:52 pm**

Rodimus Prime wrote:And the product number also changed from starting with F to starting with G. That usually means a different line of production as well with different guidelines for aesthetic. So I doubt they will be Studio Series, though being designated "MV8" and "86" does give me pause.

I wouldn't use product numbers as a mean of indicating new lines per se, as there's no special formatting to indicate them: across all of Hasbro toylines, it's a first-come-first-serve in assigning them, and now with Power Rangers on board, the numbers are going faster than ever.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:00 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As someone following the Beast Wars MP line, I feel for the fans of the SS Bayformers line. They never seem to have the attitude of following a line through to completion at HasTak. It's quite frustrating.
The Beast Wars MPs may have continued if Hasbro hadn't listened to the fans' criticism of Hasbro ignoring the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars back in 2016, and hadn't made the Kingdom line to co-celebrate both the 15th anniversary of TFTM and the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

'Course, no beasts in Kingdom also would have meant no beasts in Rise of the Beasts, and no Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again toys or rebroadcasted cartoon.

In other words, the Beast Wars MPs seemed to have relied on Hasbro maintaining a refusal to celebrate Beast Wars.

I'm pretty sure Generations doesn't affect Masterpiece. They teased Rhinox a while back.

Congrats Camarobee on a million views!

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:50 pm**

Rtron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As someone following the Beast Wars MP line, I feel for the fans of the SS Bayformers line. They never seem to have the attitude of following a line through to completion at HasTak. It's quite frustrating.
The Beast Wars MPs may have continued if Hasbro hadn't listened to the fans' criticism of Hasbro ignoring the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars back in 2016, and hadn't made the Kingdom line to co-celebrate both the 15th anniversary of TFTM and the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

'Course, no beasts in Kingdom also would have meant no beasts in Rise of the Beasts, and no Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again toys or rebroadcasted cartoon.

In other words, the Beast Wars MPs seemed to have relied on Hasbro maintaining a refusal to celebrate Beast Wars.

I'm pretty sure Generations doesn't affect Masterpiece. They teased Rhinox a while back.

In a sense it did, actually. Unlike G1, Beast Wars with its smaller fanbase is more prone to oversaturation of its market and we have seen what oversaturated markets do. Now that lines are moving away from Beast Wars Masterpiece is ready to fill that void again.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:02 pm**

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As someone following the Beast Wars MP line, I feel for the fans of the SS Bayformers line. They never seem to have the attitude of following a line through to completion at HasTak. It's quite frustrating.
The Beast Wars MPs may have continued if Hasbro hadn't listened to the fans' criticism of Hasbro ignoring the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars back in 2016, and hadn't made the Kingdom line to co-celebrate both the 15th anniversary of TFTM and the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

'Course, no beasts in Kingdom also would have meant no beasts in Rise of the Beasts, and no Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again toys or rebroadcasted cartoon.

In other words, the Beast Wars MPs seemed to have relied on Hasbro maintaining a refusal to celebrate Beast Wars.

I'm pretty sure Generations doesn't affect Masterpiece. They teased Rhinox a while back.

In a sense it did, actually. Unlike G1, Beast Wars with its smaller fanbase is more prone to oversaturation of its market and we have seen what oversaturated markets do. Now that lines are moving away from Beast Wars Masterpiece is ready to fill that void again.

Masterpiece and Generations are not the same market. It's like saying family cars crowd the sports car market.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:10 pm**

Rtron wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As someone following the Beast Wars MP line, I feel for the fans of the SS Bayformers line. They never seem to have the attitude of following a line through to completion at HasTak. It's quite frustrating.
The Beast Wars MPs may have continued if Hasbro hadn't listened to the fans' criticism of Hasbro ignoring the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars back in 2016, and hadn't made the Kingdom line to co-celebrate both the 15th anniversary of TFTM and the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

'Course, no beasts in Kingdom also would have meant no beasts in Rise of the Beasts, and no Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again toys or rebroadcasted cartoon.

In other words, the Beast Wars MPs seemed to have relied on Hasbro maintaining a refusal to celebrate Beast Wars.

I'm pretty sure Generations doesn't affect Masterpiece. They teased Rhinox a while back.

In a sense it did, actually. Unlike G1, Beast Wars with its smaller fanbase is more prone to oversaturation of its market and we have seen what oversaturated markets do. Now that lines are moving away from Beast Wars Masterpiece is ready to fill that void again.

Masterpiece and Generations are not the same market. It's like saying family cars crowd the sports car market.

I'm talking the total market here, besides there's an overlap with the markets you described, with some fans picking and choosing between MP and Generations.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:31 pm**

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Rtron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As someone following the Beast Wars MP line, I feel for the fans of the SS Bayformers line. They never seem to have the attitude of following a line through to completion at HasTak. It's quite frustrating.
The Beast Wars MPs may have continued if Hasbro hadn't listened to the fans' criticism of Hasbro ignoring the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars back in 2016, and hadn't made the Kingdom line to co-celebrate both the 15th anniversary of TFTM and the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars.

'Course, no beasts in Kingdom also would have meant no beasts in Rise of the Beasts, and no Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again toys or rebroadcasted cartoon.

In other words, the Beast Wars MPs seemed to have relied on Hasbro maintaining a refusal to celebrate Beast Wars.

I'm pretty sure Generations doesn't affect Masterpiece. They teased Rhinox a while back.

In a sense it did, actually. Unlike G1, Beast Wars with its smaller fanbase is more prone to oversaturation of its market and we have seen what oversaturated markets do. Now that lines are moving away from Beast Wars Masterpiece is ready to fill that void again.

Although, Beast Wars Again is sticking around for a little bit and creating a redundancy for the Kingdom figures.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:44 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:Congrats and I voted for Goldfire/Goldbug.
By principle, he should also have the battlemask head.

Thank you!

Yep, if Goldfire wins it’ll definitely use the masked head sculpt!

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:48 pm**

Quick thought: HM Megatron is listed as a Deluxe, and we also have a Deluxe Optimus Prime coming next year in Legacy. Think there's any connection? I mean, aside from "lower price point option for kids".

Emerje

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:06 pm**

I just transformed SS ROTB Rhinox and wow. That's a magnificent robot mode for a bad-ass rhino mode! I didn't had any difficulties transforming him without instructions but a word of warning. Things WILL pop off all over the place. Fortunately, they pop right back in. I'm glad for this feature because I would have hurt myself / broken things a few times while figuring out the transformation if things would have been pinned instead.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:34 am**

The fact that, between 2023 and 2024 we will get exactly 2 bayverse figures, and they are both cores, is saddening on so many levels.

For everyone that commented on my cynicism with regards to us not getting to complete the original mission of SS because they moved the goal posts: told you so.

The fact that it will now be at least 2025 AKA SEVEN YEARS since AOE Grimlock before we get another Dinobot is disheartening, especially since they just re-released him.

I am also willing to bet that at least one of those listings is for a Transformers: Reactive figure.

Anyways, happier topic. I spent some time with the SS RotB figures this weekend, as well as some time with the mainline figures taking some comparison pics for squads. SS Bee is definitely better than the mainline figure, but mainline Prime is a better figure than the SS one.

I also am splitting the beasts up into 1 release in bot mode, and 1 release in robot mode for display. SS Primal will most likely be in robot mode.

Scourge is still awesome!

I also took some updated group shots of the SS shelves. enjoy!

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:40 am**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

As expected, the only place where scale make sense is in the Studio Series line. In the ROTB Mainline, we get a tiny Optimus with a "giant" Bee.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:48 am**

Quick review of Studio Series Mirage! Mirage's car mode is indeed covered from front to back with gorgeous metallic silver and blue paint. Definitely the highlight of the figure. Of course, most of the painted pieces are made from transparent plastic, which might pose some issues in the future.

Robot mode is pretty much a case of what you see is what you get. Vehicle kibble is obtrusive and severely hinders articulation. Head articulation, waist articulation, and leg articulation are all neutered thanks to the vehicle panels, most of which are pinned in. As mentioned above, a ton of the figure is made out of transparent plastic, including the entirety of the forearms (as they form the windows). Not too big a fan of that.

Interestingly enough, you can collapse the double shoulder hinges to, in my opinion, improve the look significantly. It does mean that the arms can't come down straight against his sides because of the kibble, but it does slim him up quite a bit and make him look more accurate to the on-screen model. In fact, a number of the pictures above already used the shoulder-down configuration, and I think it works.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:12 am**

Mirage have a magnificent car mode, but the bot is unfortunately ZERO % accurate from the movie. Even the bot by himself is just a kibble mess.

Still, I may buy him but only on sale. I'd customise it into some sort of "alternate reality Jazz.".

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:21 pm**

Emerje wrote:I wouldn't trust the MV8 part too much. Just like how MV6 Frenzy is most definitely SS86 Frenzy, MV8 OP is probably SS86 OP. I would be very surprised if movie 8 happens next year or even in the next two years given ROTB's poor performance.

Emerje

...but we already know there's a movie coming out next year, TF One. Nowhere is it specified that "MV8" specifically means live-action movie 8.

Also, SS86 Rumble and Frenzy both already exist (even though Frenzy isn't out yet), so what you're suggesting would mean that either the listings are even more screwed up than already speculated (since they would be saying the wrong movie and be missing the PR designation) even though having a repack in wave 1 is basically unheard of below Leader class, or that Hasbro is genuinely going to try to sell Rumble (Red) and Frenzy (Blue) as separate figures from Rumble (Blue) and Frenzy (Red)....even though that would still mean the red cassette would be in Wave 4 this year and then immediately repacked via technicality in Wave 1 next year.

I honestly think that at this point the listings being 100% accurate is just more plausible, the only one I could still see maybe being mislabeled is maaaybe Sunstreaker (and even then, why would he not have been corrected when Steeljaw was?).

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