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I'm not trying to fuel the fire that I see developing between Dragonstrike and Shadowman but I enjoyed both G1 and the movie. I liked the movie characters. Are they as deep as the G1 characters? No. Why? Because we only have just over an hour of footage to get to know them wher as we had some 60 episodes of G1 to get to know and love the characters before they were quite brutally killed off. If these current day adaptions of the characters had the same screen time as G1 characters I feel I could love them just as much.

Shadowman wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:It's not that he doesn't want to listen it's that he's one of those people who won't listen to anyone but themselves and no one else's opinion can possibly matter or even be right.

Dude, why should I listen to anyone else's opinion? My own is the only one that matters to me. That's why I have it.

EDIT: Oddly enough, you're not listening to MY opnion that G1 sucked. And that you're is the only one that matters, and is the only one that could POSSIBLY be right.

Because, if you just stop and listen to what someone else thinks, your opinion could change. Thats what this world revolves around is change.

Dragonstrike wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:Of course, the original, which up until now, held face for 20 years. Oh yea, so totally couldn't have been worth seeing. Same as that one show was it called? Oh yea Gilligan's Island, yea they so totally stopped that show at 1980 because it sucked too, right?

1980? Gilligan was cancelled in 1967 because the network president wanted to keep Gunsmoke on the air and hated Gilligan's Island.

That was sarcasm...

I know they canceled it in 1967, I was talking about the repeats which are still shown today because the show was so popular. I was attempting to show the stupidity of his statements

But G1 has had relatively long periods of time where it wasn't on air, while Gilligan basically always has been. I don't even know the last time G1 was broadcast regularly.

Bartrim wrote:I'm not trying to fuel the fire that I see developing between Dragonstrike and Shadowman but I enjoyed both G1 and the movie. I liked the movie characters. Are they as deep as the G1 characters? No. Why? Because we only have just over an hour of footage to get to know them wher as we had some 60 episodes of G1 to get to know and love the characters before they were quite brutally killed off. If these current day adaptions of the characters had the same screen time as G1 characters I feel I could love them just as much.

My point was, that they could have taken more time and focused the story on the Transformers more and taken less time for humans. The Transformers were supposed to be the stars of the film, not the human characters.

Dragonstrike wrote:

Bartrim wrote:I'm not trying to fuel the fire that I see developing between Dragonstrike and Shadowman but I enjoyed both G1 and the movie. I liked the movie characters. Are they as deep as the G1 characters? No. Why? Because we only have just over an hour of footage to get to know them wher as we had some 60 episodes of G1 to get to know and love the characters before they were quite brutally killed off. If these current day adaptions of the characters had the same screen time as G1 characters I feel I could love them just as much.

My point was, that they could have taken more time and focused the story on the Transformers more and taken less time for humans. The Transformers were supposed to be the stars of the film, not the human characters.

That would have raised the budget more than I'm guessing Paramount was willing to spend.

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:

The Paragon of Virtue wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:Of course, the original, which up until now, held face for 20 years. Oh yea, so totally couldn't have been worth seeing. Same as that one show was it called? Oh yea Gilligan's Island, yea they so totally stopped that show at 1980 because it sucked too, right?

1980? Gilligan was cancelled in 1967 because the network president wanted to keep Gunsmoke on the air and hated Gilligan's Island.

That was sarcasm...

I know they canceled it in 1967, I was talking about the repeats which are still shown today because the show was so popular. I was attempting to show the stupidity of his statements

But G1 has had relatively long periods of time where it wasn't on air, while Gilligan basically always has been. I don't even know the last time G1 was broadcast regularly.

I know, but again it wasn't meant to be a direct comparison. I was merely stating that certain shows have longevity and that Transformers is one of them, same as Gilligan is. Transformers has the potential to go as far as Gilligan did and seem like it's always been there.

Dragonstrike wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:It's not that he doesn't want to listen it's that he's one of those people who won't listen to anyone but themselves and no one else's opinion can possibly matter or even be right.

Dude, why should I listen to anyone else's opinion? My own is the only one that matters to me. That's why I have it.

EDIT: Oddly enough, you're not listening to MY opnion that G1 sucked. And that you're is the only one that matters, and is the only one that could POSSIBLY be right.

Because, if you just stop and listen to what someone else thinks, your opinion could change. Thats what this world revolves around is change.

Then listen to mine. You're might change as well.

G1 SU-U-U-UCKED! It was filled with one-sided characters, idiotic storylines, and crappy designs. The movie made it jump the shark by killing Prime, and replacing the whole cast with poopy new versions. Season 3 was terrible! Carnage in C Minor, anyone?

Ok I'll give you that one, season 3 didn't get good until the finale when they brought Prime back. The first two seasons were good, they had a lot of character driven story lines and had a lot of action. In the same token, the entire franchise could have jumped the shark with this movie as well.

EDIT: The designs helped them fit in they didn't have more innards on the outside than in, like these movie designs.

I'm sick of a discussion I don't really see going anywhere, so I'll go back on topic and ask again since I didn't see anyone respond earlier:

When did Jetfire get so popular that he's gotten so many votes in that poll?

I remember seeing somewhere that someone said they voted for him because they felt the Autobots needed someone who could fly. Perhaps thats a shared sentiment.

I think that Jetfire has received a big boost through the unicron trilogy cartoons and certain comics like Stormbringer.

I think that has helped with his popularity.

Well I voted for Soundwave, but, ravage has to come with him. I know Bay will mess up Soundwave very badly, like he did with all the Transformers, but it's Bay, so the movie will make money reguardless. Even I enjoyed it, but now he will not listen to us because it made so much money, So I'm curious how horriable will Soundwave look, even more horriable than Megatron and Starscream, either way, I'm sure part 2 will be awsome. Can't wait...
( Yes, I know some of us like "the new look"...but to each their own)

Shadowman wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dragonstrike wrote:It's not that he doesn't want to listen it's that he's one of those people who won't listen to anyone but themselves and no one else's opinion can possibly matter or even be right.

Dude, why should I listen to anyone else's opinion? My own is the only one that matters to me. That's why I have it.

EDIT: Oddly enough, you're not listening to MY opnion that G1 sucked. And that you're is the only one that matters, and is the only one that could POSSIBLY be right.

Because, if you just stop and listen to what someone else thinks, your opinion could change. Thats what this world revolves around is change.

Then listen to mine. You're might change as well.

G1 SU-U-U-UCKED! It was filled with one-sided characters, idiotic storylines, and crappy designs. The movie made it jump the shark by killing Prime, and replacing the whole cast with poopy new versions. Season 3 was terrible! Carnage in C Minor, anyone?

I'm pretty sure this movie isn't about G1. I very much enjoyed G1 in all seasons, and l love the Beast Wars story line too. I'm sorry, I rather love the characters too, and I saw them as more than one-sided characters. All generations of Transformers started with G1, spawn from it, the only thing changed was crappy designs which are later into Beast Wars, to Beast machines, to Armada, ....Bayformers, doesn't matter here. We all like to think our opinion matters, when the fact is it really doesn't. People will like what they like or not, cool. I don't care really. Life will go on.

I say Grimlock but i doubt they would make him a dinosaur if he was in the movie probably some kind of chevy vehicle...........

jetfire baby all the way

Shadowman wrote:G1 SU-U-U-UCKED! It was filled with one-sided characters, idiotic storylines, and crappy designs. The movie made it jump the shark by killing Prime, and replacing the whole cast with poopy new versions. Season 3 was terrible! Carnage in C Minor, anyone?

not too be offensive...but dude...you were born in '89...G1 was long gone and forgotten.
I think growing up with them like myself would change your tune, it doesn't matter how 'one-sided' or flat the characters were, it was a new and fresh concept (at least to those in the US). By the time they killed Prime (too which every true fan still sheds a tear for) Hasbro was only looking to revive a dying line of merchandise for a new generation and they failed.

Astrotrain wrote:

Shadowman wrote:G1 SU-U-U-UCKED! It was filled with one-sided characters, idiotic storylines, and crappy designs. The movie made it jump the shark by killing Prime, and replacing the whole cast with poopy new versions. Season 3 was terrible! Carnage in C Minor, anyone?

not too be offensive...but dude...you were born in '89...G1 was long gone and forgotten.
I think growing up with them like myself would change your tune, it doesn't matter how 'one-sided' or flat the characters were, it was a new and fresh concept (at least to those in the US). By the time they killed Prime (too which every true fan still sheds a tear for) Hasbro was only looking to revive a dying line of merchandise for a new generation and they failed.

I did miss the original G1 episodes as well, but I saw them through G2, which was a really bad redo of the original series. Thank God for the DVDs even if they were a little substandard at least it was something G1.

Soundwave baby

Sentinel Pax wrote: I said Mirage, because the thought of what Michael Bay could do with an F1 race car had me giggling with excitement. That, and you could play his doubts about the war, and have Ironhide or someone else think he's a spy.

Exactly what I was going to say...perhaps without the giggling.

I think they should have put some other characters up to vote on like Wheel jack, Skywarp, Thunder cracker, Laser beak, Brawn, Prowl. Just to name a few. You they should start a poll on this web site and send it up Micheal Bay because who better to choose than die hard TF fans That have grown up with the cartoon and culture and not the people who just got on the band wagon after they saw the movie.

Voted Soundwave =]

Done and done. Grimlock for me, even tho' if we could have voted for a few more, I'd have gone for Soundwave, Ravage and Devastator next.

ultra magnus. as long as he is a different kind of truck than optimus. i would like to see some good dialoge between him and optimus creating some good character development.