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Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow

even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

I dunno, I'm not even that big into Street Fighter but a Chun-Li in Arcee colours would be great.

Wouldn't a pink/white deco just be Chun-Li's alternate costume?

For that matter wasn't Vega/Bison's alternate costume silver and black?

Caelus wrote::oops:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

I dunno, I'm not even that big into Street Fighter but a Chun-Li in Arcee colours would be great.

Wouldn't a pink/white deco just be Chun-Li's alternate costume?

For that matter wasn't Vega/Bison's alternate costume silver and black?

It was, yeah, though ideally she'd have the white tights as well. Also there are AFAIK no decent Chun-Li figures in those colours- we do have the excellent Figuarts but not in any alt colours. Which reminds me, I need to get the Figuarts Chun-Li eventually, she looks superb.

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

And to top it off, Japan's version was made FIRST. The American version is what made these name changes, so it's technically the Japanese version that got the names the intended way.

It's basically Street Fighter's equivalent of "FIBRIR vs. FIRRIB".

lol, thas like looking at Japanee TF boxes and going "Convoy? Who the **** is Convoy? Thats Optimus Prime!!"

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

I played street fighter as a teenager in America, not Japan.

On a seperate note, Vega was always the guy nobody wanted to use and everyone loved beating up due to sterotypes about spandex wearing bull fighters. So the name "Vega" kinda worked for the character better considering it is actually Spanish/European name.

Rated X wrote:I played street fighter as a teenager in America, not Japan.

So did every other American kid back then. Doesn't change the facts.

Besides, it's not like these toys are being marketed to Americans anyway, or they wouldn't be calling Optimus "Convoy" in English letters on the box. These are made by Japan for Japan, so they're gonna use the names that the Japanese buyers are familiar with. If that doesn't conform to your American-ethnocentrism, then oh well, they aren't making these for you personally anyway.

Rated X wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

I played street fighter as a teenager in America, not Japan.

Yes, and this is a Japanese product, not an Amercian one. Or is using localization specific to the market it's actually meant for (which one of the IPs involved originated from) as opposed to pandering to the ignorance of one American fan who won't even buy the products anyway somehow a bad idea in Rated X world?

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

This whole crossover concept is incredibly stupid. I dont see any hardcore street fighter fans begging for action figures painted like transformers characters either.

I dunno, I'm not even that big into Street Fighter but a Chun-Li in Arcee colours would be great.

Close enough

Rated X wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

I played street fighter as a teenager in America, not Japan.

On a seperate note, Vega was always the guy nobody wanted to use and everyone loved beating up due to sterotypes about spandex wearing bull fighters. So the name "Vega" kinda worked for the character better considering it is actually Spanish/European name.

I'm guessing those guys didn't know how to use Vega, he was one of my most feared against in versus matches. Yohdaleyhoo, not quite sure why he yodelled but hey ho, he was awesome in the anime film.

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

I played street fighter as a teenager in America, not Japan.

Yes, and this is a Japanese product, not an Amercian one. Or is using localization specific to the market it's actually meant for (which one of the IPs involved originated from) as opposed to pandering to the ignorance of one American fan who won't even buy the products anyway somehow a bad idea in Rated X world?

Hmmmm....does anyone remember back in 2009-2010 when this site used to be ran by Americans and frequented by 95% American users? Ah, those were the days...when you could talk and think like an American on an American owned site without fear of getting heckled by foreigners? I miss those days. (Yes Saberblade, I know you are in Florida too lol)

Anyways, seeing as how we had Street Fighter everywhere, what incentive does anyone have to know the Japanese versions differences? Why would I know them? At 14 years age, I didnt even know those games were designed in Japan. Especially coming from a company with a name like "Capcom" that made 1942/1943 in which the goal is to decimate the Japanese army.

So yeah, no apology here for not knowing vega is really M. Bison.

Rated X wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Rated X wrote:Wow even the boxes suck. Where did they get Vega from? Its M. Bison dammit.

>He doesn't know

I assume he was joking.

He isn't. He really isn't.

Oh dear. That's...not good.

Well, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know: M. Bison was the name of the black boxing dude in the Japanese version. This was of course inspired by Mike Tyson. Anyway, the localization team were worried Mike might get a bit upset at being the inspiration for a villain, so they gave his name to Vega (the actual name of "M. Bison"). Vega's name meanwhile was given to sadistic claw-wielding lunatic Balrog, who in turn had his name given back to the nameless M. Bison.

So in summary:

Vega (JP) = M. Bison (US)
M. Bison (JP) = Balrog (US)
Balrog (JP) = Vega (US)

I played street fighter as a teenager in America, not Japan.

Yes, and this is a Japanese product, not an Amercian one. Or is using localization specific to the market it's actually meant for (which one of the IPs involved originated from) as opposed to pandering to the ignorance of one American fan who won't even buy the products anyway somehow a bad idea in Rated X world?

Hmmmm....does anyone remember back in 2009-2010 when this site used to be ran by Americans and frequented by 95% American users? Ah, those were the days...when you could talk and think like an American on an American owned site without fear of getting heckled by foreigners? I miss those days. (Yes Saberblade, I know you are in Florida too lol)

Anyways, seeing as how we had Street Fighter everywhere, what incentive does anyone have to know the Japanese versions differences? Why would I know them? At 14 years age, I didnt even know those games were designed in Japan. Especially coming from a company with a name like "Capcom" that made 1942/1943 in which the goal is to decimate the Japanese army.

So yeah, no apology here for not knowing vega is really M. Bison.

>Complains about a Japanese product for the Japanese market using Japanese terminology
>Whines about "m-muh foreigners" when people point out why said product uses terminology for its own market
Point and laugh, children.

The only two that really work are Megatron Bison/Vega and Arcee Chun-Li.
Ken and Ryu just look dumb. And it suck big time that I'll have to buy both sets to have the two figures that I want. Oh well.

I never even owned a copy of Street Fighter but I still knew about the name swap. I thought it was common knowledge, like Johnny Cage in Mortal Kombat being Jean Claude Van Damme (or however his name is spelled).

Caelus wrote:I never even owned a copy of Street Fighter but I still knew about the name swap. I thought it was common knowledge, like Johnny Cage in Mortal Kombat being Jean Claude Van Damme (or however his name is spelled).

I used to buy video game mags like EGM back in the days. It's there that I learned about the names. That was over 20 years ago.

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Damn....

I'd like to see a translation of the story.

Rated X wrote:Hmmmm....does anyone remember back in 2009-2010 when this site used to be ran by Americans and frequented by 95% American users? Ah, those were the days...when you could talk and think like an American on an American owned site without fear of getting heckled by foreigners? I miss those days. (Yes Saberblade, I know you are in Florida too lol)

If you don't like it here, you're more than welcome to go elsewhere. In fact, let me help you with that. You're well past the number of warnings for a permanent ban. Bye now.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Caelus wrote:I never even owned a copy of Street Fighter but I still knew about the name swap. I thought it was common knowledge, like Johnny Cage in Mortal Kombat being Jean Claude Van Damme (or however his name is spelled).

I used to buy video game mags like EGM back in the days. It's there that I learned about the names. That was over 20 years ago.

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Damn....

Same, and those aren't even the only name changes:

Gouki (JP) - Akuma (EN)
Nash (JP) - Charlie (EN) (later he'd be renamed Charlie Nash or just Nash everywhere)
Sodom (JP and EN) - Katana (EN sometimes, mostly a Nintendo thing)
Andore (Final Fight) - Hugo (Street Fighter III)
Gouken (JP and EN) - Sheng Long (EN sometimes)

I think that's all of them.

I'm really looking forward to the SFxTF set, it's pretty goofy, but I find the idea of a bunch of Autobots and Megatron suddenly deciding to do Transformers cosplay hilarious enough to want them. I'll have to buy some of those Nano Metalfigs SF figures to go with them, they should be about in scale.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Gouki (JP) - Akuma (EN)
Nash (JP) - Charlie (EN) (later he'd be renamed Charlie Nash or just Nash everywhere)
Sodom (JP and EN) - Katana (EN sometimes, mostly a Nintendo thing)
Andore (Final Fight) - Hugo (Street Fighter III)
Gouken (JP and EN) - Sheng Long (EN sometimes)

I think that's all of them.


Emerje

Commentary or explanation either pulled out of my ass or legit:

Gouki (JP) - Akuma (EN)
"Gouki" sounded too much like a cute mascot name (I think)

Nash (JP) - Charlie (EN)
Nash? Dash? Duuuurrrrr..... (But the later Charlie Nash is a nice recovery)

Sodom (JP and EN) - Katana
"Sodom" sounded too much like the biblical fun-city

Andore (Final Fight) - Hugo
Same with M. Bison, the character and name sounded way too close to the original legendary WWF wresler, Andre The Giant (a fellow Québécois BTW!) and it made the law team nervous.

Gouken (JP and EN) - Sheng Long
That one was completely random. "Gouken" didn't sound Asian enough?

Some changes were necessary, but others were petty whims at best.

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Caelus wrote:I never even owned a copy of Street Fighter but I still knew about the name swap. I thought it was common knowledge, like Johnny Cage in Mortal Kombat being Jean Claude Van Damme (or however his name is spelled).

I used to buy video game mags like EGM back in the days. It's there that I learned about the names. That was over 20 years ago.

...

Damn....

Same, and those aren't even the only name changes:

Gouki (JP) - Akuma (EN)
Nash (JP) - Charlie (EN) (later he'd be renamed Charlie Nash or just Nash everywhere)
Sodom (JP and EN) - Katana (EN sometimes, mostly a Nintendo thing)
Andore (Final Fight) - Hugo (Street Fighter III)
Gouken (JP and EN) - Sheng Long (EN sometimes)

I think that's all of them.

I'm really looking forward to the SFxTF set, it's pretty goofy, but I find the idea of a bunch of Autobots and Megatron suddenly deciding to do Transformers cosplay hilarious enough to want them. I'll have to buy some of those Nano Metalfigs SF figures to go with them, they should be about in scale.

Emerje

"Sheng Long" for Gouken should be considered an unfortunate error, and an April Fool's joke gone out of hand. The name itself is actually a mistranslation of Ryu's special move, the Shouryuken, coupled with Capcom's infamous localisation skills.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:"Sheng Long" for Gouken should be considered an unfortunate error, and an April Fool's joke gone out of hand. The name itself is actually a mistranslation of Ryu's special move, the Shouryuken, coupled with Capcom's infamous localisation skills.

That EGM april fool joke may have been Capcom's inspiration to make the "Sheng Long" character real. However, it was the creation of AKUMA because the circumstance of the fight and the fact that he's (was) a Ryu/Ken "repaint" make it pretty clear.



It's still pretty awesome from Capcom to have listened to the fans for that one.
Also, air throw, and fast fireballs were a thing later in Super Street Fighter 2.

Yeah the name switch thing has been common gamer knowledge since the game first came out and we had been seeing the japanese version appear in screenshots and every magazine explained why the english version was changed around. Again when folk were impatiently ordering the SNES version from Japan. Not at all an obscure fact and has often come up again and again and again and again (especially in related DID YOU KNOW videos on youtube and such).

And yes Pink/White Chun Li is already much like Arcee. Not keen on the Figuarts version cos the head looks too much like a porcelain child doll and very bland. I prefer the Storm collectables version (which is available in alternate colours) for a bit more aggression and character. Just paint the brown tights white I guess.

In hand images:

https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/1000230588526161921




https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/1000262560732467202






https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/1000263263546822656






https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/1000264562476699648







https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/1000265610838790144







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MARVEL VS. CAPCOM!!!

https://twitter.com/pcwr_Etchy/status/1000324131215233025

Fans of Street Fighter and Transformers will be thrilled to see these in hand images of the new figures. These were posted by twitter user Taogal. A quick thanks to Sabrblade for tracking them down. First we see a set with Hot Rodimus as Ken Vs. Arcee as Chun-Li. The other set below is Convoy as Ryu Vs Megatron as M. Bison. It is a little chopped off in the first photo but there are awesome pictures of the figures out of the box if you scroll, we promise! Have a look through the photos below, and let us know what you think of them now that you have seen them in hand. Do you think that they fit the characters that they made to represent?