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[Sentinel_Primal]

Does anyone else think that it's extremely ironic or coincidental that the Earthrise Transformers showed up in Portland, Oregon? I mean, seriously! That's kind of crazy and some extremely well thought out marketing for fans if Transformers Earthrise did indeed first show up in Portland, Oregon of all places ... you know, the exact place where Transformers touched down back in 1984.

To quote Sherlock: "The universe is rarely so lazy" That said, I have no idea, but I think it'd be incredibily fun if Hasbro had planned that

[Rodimus Prime]

Does anyone else think that it's extremely ironic or coincidental that the Earthrise Transformers showed up in Portland, Oregon? I mean, seriously! That's kind of crazy and some extremely well thought out marketing for fans if Transformers Earthrise did indeed first show up in Portland, Oregon of all places ... you know, the exact place where Transformers touched down back in 1984.

Well, to be fair, they only awoke in 1984. They touched down 4 millions years before that.

But yeah, it's a hell of a coincidence, I don't think Hasbro is smart enough (or care enough) to do it on purpose.

[aronjlove]

Not sure about Singe, but I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that Rung was going to be re-released in Earthrise as well.

This site has a pre-order for it....

https://collecticontoys.com/products/tr ... ttlemaster

I have Rung and Spy Patrol 2 on pre-order with them and they've already taken my money so I'm trying to be patient. I wasn't entirely successful as I got both Singe and Rung from an ebay seller that didn't mark them up all crazy.

[Dr. Caelus]

Normally I'd be a little upset since Siege Astrotrain and the last wave of Siege Battlemasters (Rung and Singe) haven't even had a mass release yet, (a few isolated sightings is not a mass release) but since I guess they are slated for re-releases through Earthrise, that will be the way most of us get them.

I've seen Rung at multiple Targets, in MO and in TN. I don't think he's had a 'limited release', he just seems to be drowned out by previously hard to find Pteraxadons.

[o.supreme]

That's a relatively small geographic area however, and yes I'd still call it limited. Kind of like the infamous TR Deluxe Wave 5. I'm not saying its time to panic, and we are back to the distribution woes of *tail enders* yet....besides, Singe could show up in still a later wave of Eathrise. However, I'm still hoping for a wide release of what remains of Siege before we go full swing into Earthrise.

[TF-fan kev777]

That's a relatively small geographic area however, and yes I'd still call it limited. Kind of like the infamous TR Deluxe Wave 5. I'm not saying its time to panic, and we are back to the distribution woes of *tail enders* yet....besides, Singe could show up in still a later wave of Eathrise. However, I'm still hoping for a wide release of what remains of Siege before we go full swing into Earthrise.

They showed up hit the Chicago area as well, I found both before Christmas and saw them a in at least 3 targets. But they have been scarce since and mainly replaced by wave 1 again.

[Wolfman Jake]

I have seen all of the Wave 5 stuff show up at local retailers in my area (Twin Cities), except for Astrotrain. I've seen the Deluxes and Apeface a few times each, but the Micromasters and Battle Masters, a bit more often, especially in the weeks leading right up into Xmas. I haven't seen anything interesting after the holidays, though. Just more leftover stock from earlier in 2019.

[Skritz]

I've been speculating about Doubledealer's retool/redeco, given Hasbro very rarely leave alone a mold these days. What do you guys think? Selects Cybertron Defense Red Alert and/or the Predator member Stalker (ignore the bird-thing mode which would be a bonus on those)? I doubt Doubledealer will lack his triple-changer feature, after all.

[o.supreme]

I have seen all of the Wave 5 stuff show up at local retailers in my area (Twin Cities), except for Astrotrain. I've seen the Deluxes and Apeface a few times each, but the Micromasters and Battle Masters, a bit more often, especially in the weeks leading right up into Xmas. I haven't seen anything interesting after the holidays, though. Just more leftover stock from earlier in 2019.

Prior to the holiday I saw Spinister, Crosshairs and Apeface a couple of times. Still no Rung, Singe, or the Micromaster Ratbat/Redguy pack. Others have found them, so like I said, they are in limited release at the moment.

Also I'm pretty sure Astrotrain hasn't been fully released other than a mishap sighting or two in the continental US.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I've been speculating about Doubledealer's retool/redeco, given Hasbro very rarely leave alone a mold these days. What do you guys think? Selects Cybertron Defense Red Alert and/or the Predator member Stalker (ignore the bird-thing mode which would be a bonus on those)? I doubt Doubledealer will lack his triple-changer feature, after all.

Stalker and Red Alert make the most sense to me, with a slight edge to Stalker because Red Alert was in Siege. Plus if Hasbro retools the bird parts, they might be able to squeeze a jet mode in and say it's so that he can join his team in aerial combat

[Skritz]

I've been speculating about Doubledealer's retool/redeco, given Hasbro very rarely leave alone a mold these days. What do you guys think? Selects Cybertron Defense Red Alert and/or the Predator member Stalker (ignore the bird-thing mode which would be a bonus on those)? I doubt Doubledealer will lack his triple-changer feature, after all.

Stalker and Red Alert make the most sense to me, with a slight edge to Stalker because Red Alert was in Siege. Plus if Hasbro retools the bird parts, they might be able to squeeze a jet mode in and say it's so that he can join his team in aerial combat

Well, while he bear the name 'Red Alert' I was referring to the Unicron Trilogy version which looks completely different anyway.

[LinaNui]

I've been speculating about Doubledealer's retool/redeco, given Hasbro very rarely leave alone a mold these days. What do you guys think? Selects Cybertron Defense Red Alert and/or the Predator member Stalker (ignore the bird-thing mode which would be a bonus on those)? I doubt Doubledealer will lack his triple-changer feature, after all.

I would love for him to be retooled into Defense Red Alert, I recently discovered that figure, and I would love to see him get updated. Double Dealer does have a similar enough design and build that it would make sense to use it as Red alert.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I've been speculating about Doubledealer's retool/redeco, given Hasbro very rarely leave alone a mold these days. What do you guys think? Selects Cybertron Defense Red Alert and/or the Predator member Stalker (ignore the bird-thing mode which would be a bonus on those)? I doubt Doubledealer will lack his triple-changer feature, after all.

Stalker and Red Alert make the most sense to me, with a slight edge to Stalker because Red Alert was in Siege. Plus if Hasbro retools the bird parts, they might be able to squeeze a jet mode in and say it's so that he can join his team in aerial combat

Well, while he bear the name 'Red Alert' I was referring to the Unicron Trilogy version which looks completely different anyway.

I was just meaning in the sense that Hasbro tends to shy away from name reuse and prefers to try and stick with a "definitive version"

[Skritz]

I've been speculating about Doubledealer's retool/redeco, given Hasbro very rarely leave alone a mold these days. What do you guys think? Selects Cybertron Defense Red Alert and/or the Predator member Stalker (ignore the bird-thing mode which would be a bonus on those)? I doubt Doubledealer will lack his triple-changer feature, after all.

Stalker and Red Alert make the most sense to me, with a slight edge to Stalker because Red Alert was in Siege. Plus if Hasbro retools the bird parts, they might be able to squeeze a jet mode in and say it's so that he can join his team in aerial combat

Well, while he bear the name 'Red Alert' I was referring to the Unicron Trilogy version which looks completely different anyway.

I was just meaning in the sense that Hasbro tends to shy away from name reuse and prefers to try and stick with a "definitive version"

But would this rule apply to the Selects line? Seems not, as Selects is just a hodge podge of whatever cool exclusive they feel using a mold for when its possible but doesn't warrant release at mass retail. I could easily see Cybertron Defense Red Alert showing up in that.

[ZeroWolf]

Especially given that we got a smokescreen in Selects last year and now we're getting one again in Earthrise. Plus three years, three Starscreams (that's just Generations to boot)

Though if it was Cybertron R
Defence Red Alert in Selects, it would go well with the Cybertron Defence Hot Shot they released last year.

[Skritz]

I'm expecting two, maybe three things for Earthrise Smokescreen: option A is a direct release of the Selects version (for some reason), option B is a slight retool (no need for an entirely new mold for the Datsun anyway) and option C is actually Armada Smokescreen. I think A and C are actually more likely than B, as I don't really see them redoing the Datsun bros mold so soon just to ever so slightly tweak it slightly more to look like the '80 car, which they don't have the license to use anyway. I think the Siege version was as close as they could get. Notice the Siege '84 Autobots, barring Optimus and the Ironhide/Ratchet mold, were already very Earth-like and a lot less 'greebley'.

[Dr. Caelus]

That's a relatively small geographic area however

St. Louis, MO, and Knoxville, TN? It's a 500 mile drive between them. That's about 1/6th the span of the 48 states.

[o.supreme]

That's a relatively small geographic area however

St. Louis, MO, and Knoxville, TN? It's a 500 mile drive between them. That's about 1/6th the span of the 48 states.

That's assuming the majority of stores in between have them. I'm just going by the sightings forum, which has very few reports, and a handful of others who claim to have seen them. I know that the sightings forum is very much underutilized here. However, when less than 10 or so sightings, turns into dozens, that's when you know the item has been sufficiently released.

[no-one]

I'm expecting two, maybe three things for Earthrise Smokescreen: option A is a direct release of the Selects version (for some reason), option B is a slight retool (no need for an entirely new mold for the Datsun anyway) and option C is actually Armada Smokescreen. I think A and C are actually more likely than B, as I don't really see them redoing the Datsun bros mold so soon just to ever so slightly tweak it slightly more to look like the '80 car, which they don't have the license to use anyway. I think the Siege version was as close as they could get. Notice the Siege '84 Autobots, barring Optimus and the Ironhide/Ratchet mold, were already very Earth-like and a lot less 'greebley'.

You forgot option D, the worst option - either a new mold or reshell to a full on earth mode. With Starscream happening and a likely flood of seekers to follow, who can really guess what's going happen in Earthrise. I'm still betting on something non-G1 like an Armada or other UT version. Or maybe I'm just hoping that's the case.

[Dr. Caelus]

That's a relatively small geographic area however

St. Louis, MO, and Knoxville, TN? It's a 500 mile drive between them. That's about 1/6th the span of the 48 states.

That's assuming the majority of stores in between have them.

The "majority of stores" is an unrealistically high bar for saying something has received "general release". In the town I live in, Kroger is the only store that stocks any Micromasters or Battlemasters at all.

[ZeroWolf]

I'm expecting two, maybe three things for Earthrise Smokescreen: option A is a direct release of the Selects version (for some reason), option B is a slight retool (no need for an entirely new mold for the Datsun anyway) and option C is actually Armada Smokescreen. I think A and C are actually more likely than B, as I don't really see them redoing the Datsun bros mold so soon just to ever so slightly tweak it slightly more to look like the '80 car, which they don't have the license to use anyway. I think the Siege version was as close as they could get. Notice the Siege '84 Autobots, barring Optimus and the Ironhide/Ratchet mold, were already very Earth-like and a lot less 'greebley'.

You forgot option D, the worst option - either a new mold or reshell to a full on earth mode. With Starscream happening and a likely flood of seekers to follow, who can really guess what's going happen in Earthrise. I'm still betting on something non-G1 like an Armada or other UT version. Or maybe I'm just hoping that's the case.

Rumours persist that it's option D, a full on G1 Smokescreen... But we'll find out soon enough, and I really hope, personally, for a G2 Smokescreen, though the change in faction there would shoot that one dead instantly I guess.

[Nemesis Primal]

That's a relatively small geographic area however

St. Louis, MO, and Knoxville, TN? It's a 500 mile drive between them. That's about 1/6th the span of the 48 states.

I've also found/seen Singe, Rung, and Crosshairs in western Washington around Christmas, that widens that range significantly. I haven't looked here in Idaho since I have everything I want from Siege except Astrotrain, who I'm waiting for a sale on, and Red Wing, who I'll probably never get because he was stupidly locked behind that dumb card.

I'm expecting two, maybe three things for Earthrise Smokescreen: option A is a direct release of the Selects version (for some reason), option B is a slight retool (no need for an entirely new mold for the Datsun anyway) and option C is actually Armada Smokescreen. I think A and C are actually more likely than B, as I don't really see them redoing the Datsun bros mold so soon just to ever so slightly tweak it slightly more to look like the '80 car, which they don't have the license to use anyway. I think the Siege version was as close as they could get. Notice the Siege '84 Autobots, barring Optimus and the Ironhide/Ratchet mold, were already very Earth-like and a lot less 'greebley'.

You forgot option D, the worst option - either a new mold or reshell to a full on earth mode. With Starscream happening and a likely flood of seekers to follow, who can really guess what's going happen in Earthrise. I'm still betting on something non-G1 like an Armada or other UT version. Or maybe I'm just hoping that's the case.

Rumours persist that it's option D, a full on G1 Smokescreen... But we'll find out soon enough, and I really hope, personally, for a G2 Smokescreen, though the change in faction there would shoot that one dead instantly I guess.

Yeah, I can't help but be pessimistic about this guy. As much as I want him to be any Smokescreen other than G1, I don't have faith in the current brand team to pick the non-G1 option.

[o.supreme]

That's a relatively small geographic area however

St. Louis, MO, and Knoxville, TN? It's a 500 mile drive between them. That's about 1/6th the span of the 48 states.

That's assuming the majority of stores in between have them.

The "majority of stores" is an unrealistically high bar for saying something has received "general release". In the town I live in, Kroger is the only store that stocks any Micromasters or Battlemasters at all.

My apologies, I thought it was a foregone conclusion we were talking about Target, since that is the only store according the sightings forum, and other accounts, that Rung has been found at in the continental US. So I'll reiterate, *most* Target stores. I live in a suburb of a top 20 populated city. I've documented my frustration in years past, I can travel to 15 or so Walmarts, and 15 Targets within an hour of where I live (not bragging just stating a fact, because I'd rather not waste my time driving all over), but there's no reason that these items shouldn't reach my general geographical area, given enough time

[Stargrave]

Wait, or Option D: Smokescreen defects, goes ‘Con, teams up with Dreadwing and adopts a stealth jet alt mode ala the classic G2 Smokescreen. Shout out to William-James for keeping the G2 Smokescreen fire burning

[Dr. Caelus]

I'm expecting two, maybe three things for Earthrise Smokescreen: option A is a direct release of the Selects version (for some reason), option B is a slight retool (no need for an entirely new mold for the Datsun anyway) and option C is actually Armada Smokescreen. I think A and C are actually more likely than B, as I don't really see them redoing the Datsun bros mold so soon just to ever so slightly tweak it slightly more to look like the '80 car, which they don't have the license to use anyway. I think the Siege version was as close as they could get. Notice the Siege '84 Autobots, barring Optimus and the Ironhide/Ratchet mold, were already very Earth-like and a lot less 'greebley'.

You forgot option D, the worst option - either a new mold or reshell to a full on earth mode. With Starscream happening and a likely flood of seekers to follow, who can really guess what's going happen in Earthrise. I'm still betting on something non-G1 like an Armada or other UT version. Or maybe I'm just hoping that's the case.

Rumours persist that it's option D, a full on G1 Smokescreen... But we'll find out soon enough, and I really hope, personally, for a G2 Smokescreen, though the change in faction there would shoot that one dead instantly I guess.

G2 Smokescreen is my hope as well, and I don't think having two unrelated guys with the same name is unreasonable, especially since WFC Smokescreen wasn't in the main line.

But, I suspect Earthrise Smokescreen will be WFC Smokescreen with the Cybertronian "38" replaced with Arabic numerals. It'll satisfy some people unhappy with the previous offering, but not leave many of us in a quandary over whether to get him.