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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Collector Canine » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:47 pm

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Doctor McGrath wrote:I'm assuming the G1 headmasters won't be compatible with these new versions? Did Hasbro happen to confirm or deny that?

It does look like some of the 3rd party HM offerings may be able to work with these. That's pretty cool.
I wonder if Hasbro will release some version of Gasket & Grommet to go with Fort Max? An updated version of those two that combine would be really cool.

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well i was half expecting a Scamper repaint as Cog! seeing as they're using the Metroplex mold for Fort Max


I think people need to shut up about Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex. I personally think it it's a similar case to Titans Return Cromedome, it's so different we can't exactly call it a remold. I own Generations Metrookex, and I can personally say for experience that Fortress Maximus Appears very different from Metroplex. It seem only part of the lower legs, the forearms, and the ramps are shared between the two of them. That's what makes me think it's same situation as Cromedome.


Not really the same thing. Fort max is undoubtedly a remold of Metroplex, there's no denying that. Chromedome simply shares engineering with Deadend and THAT'S IT. If anything needs to be dropped it's the Chromedome Deadend thing.


The Cromedome/Dead End thing is pretty stupid too. I agree with you on that, but I just personally don't think that Fortress Naximus is a retool of Metroplex. They're likely just similar figures that share a few parts. Hasbro has done that kinda thing before, I believe, so my theory is possible.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Doctor McGrath » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:50 pm

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Also, remold isn't a derogatory term. Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex isn't a bad thing, it's a fact, that's all.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:53 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:
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Doctor McGrath wrote:I'm assuming the G1 headmasters won't be compatible with these new versions? Did Hasbro happen to confirm or deny that?

It does look like some of the 3rd party HM offerings may be able to work with these. That's pretty cool.
I wonder if Hasbro will release some version of Gasket & Grommet to go with Fort Max? An updated version of those two that combine would be really cool.

Also, #teamWill



well i was half expecting a Scamper repaint as Cog! seeing as they're using the Metroplex mold for Fort Max


I think people need to shut up about Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex. I personally think it it's a similar case to Titans Return Cromedome, it's so different we can't exactly call it a remold. I own Generations Metrookex, and I can personally say for experience that Fortress Maximus Appears very different from Metroplex. It seem only part of the lower legs, the forearms, and the ramps are shared between the two of them. That's what makes me think it's same situation as Cromedome.


Not really the same thing. Fort max is undoubtedly a remold of Metroplex, there's no denying that. Chromedome simply shares engineering with Deadend and THAT'S IT. If anything needs to be dropped it's the Chromedome Deadend thing.


The Cromedome/Dead End thing is pretty stupid too. I agree with you on that, but I just personally don't think that Fortress Naximus is a retool of Metroplex. They're likely just similar figures that share a few parts. Hasbro has done that kinda thing before, I believe, so my theory is possible.


Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:54 pm

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kurthy wrote:I think you guys are trying to say the same. I think they use the exact same transformation scheme but only one or two parts are the same.
1. The knees to the waist are the same.
No they're not. Dead End's thighs look to be longer and have thigh swivels in the upper thigh closer to the waist, while Chromedome's thighs look to be shorter and have thigh swivels in the middle of the thighs closer to the knees. And their thighs are shaped differently.

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kurthy wrote:3. The chromedome mold has the door panel stop at the wrist rather than halfway down the forearm. This means that the feet can take the space where the lower forearms would go.
But then that would the lower arms would have to be shorter, which would remove the inner space needed for the fists to rotate into the arms. Yet, Chromedome's fists do rotate into his arms, so the arms can't be Dead End's if Chromedome's arms can do what would prevent Dead End's fists from folding into the arms.

kurthy wrote:By my count there are 17 shared parts (4 are wheels). Crotch, hips, knees, clavicles, and the parts connecting the front end to the back.
The only similarity that those parts have between Dead End and Chromedome is that their wheels are wheels, their crotches are crotches, their knees are knees, etc. etc.

william-james88 wrote:Thats not a source that just your opinion based on what you qualify as a retool.
Will, I am not stating any opinion. I am stating what I see based on careful observations of the Chromedome photos, the Dead End figure I have on hand, and the comparisons I have made between the two, in which I can definitely say that, while the two share similar aesthetics and design elements, I see no base parts that are indentically sculpted between the two figure beyond some minuscule rudimentary components (namely joints) that are shared across many figures that Hasbro/TakaraTomy have developed. This is not my opinion, but it is my observation.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

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Doctor McGrath wrote:Also, remold isn't a derogatory term. Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex isn't a bad thing, it's a fact, that's all.


I never said it was a bad thing. I really like CW Dead End and his many retools, so Cromedome having similar engineering exites me. I just don't think Fortress Maximus is a retool of Metroplex.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:01 pm

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Doctor McGrath wrote:Also, remold isn't a derogatory term. Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex isn't a bad thing, it's a fact, that's all.


I never said it was a bad thing. I really like CW Dead End and his many retools, so Cromedome having similar engineering exites me. I just don't think Fortress Maximus is a retool of Metroplex.
It is evident that Fort Max began as Metroplex's mold as a base, but was so extensively modified from that point to become so thoroughly, extensively different from Metroplex in the long run. For these kinds of figure, "reshell" might be the more apt term.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Doctor McGrath » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:02 pm

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Doctor McGrath wrote:Also, remold isn't a derogatory term. Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex isn't a bad thing, it's a fact, that's all.


I never said it was a bad thing. I really like CW Dead End and his many retools, so Cromedome having similar engineering exites me. I just don't think Fortress Maximus is a retool of Metroplex.


Well I was just going off your request for everyone to "shut up" about it. That's normally not associated with something positive.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Collector Canine » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:03 pm

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Doctor McGrath wrote:Also, remold isn't a derogatory term. Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex isn't a bad thing, it's a fact, that's all.


I never said it was a bad thing. I really like CW Dead End and his many retools, so Cromedome having similar engineering exites me. I just don't think Fortress Maximus is a retool of Metroplex.
It is evident that Fort Max began as Metroplex's mold as a base, but was so extensively modified from that point to become so thoroughly, extensively different from Metroplex in the long run. For these kinds of figure, "reshell" might be the more apt term.


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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:04 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP


That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Collector Canine » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:07 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP


That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new


I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:14 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP


That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new


I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.


They even kept the pivot hinge the right arm is now attached to (formerly the left), which, by the way, doesn't even seem to serve a purpose for him now...

I can plainly see that it is significantly different now, but, lets not go and pull one over ourselves if he really is metro facing another direction :-?
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Collector Canine » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:16 pm

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ScottyP wrote:So, Wheelie. Cool as it gets, right? Never expected him to steal the show like that!


I know, right! That Wheelie looks amazing!
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

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ScottyP wrote:So, Wheelie. Cool as it gets, right? Never expected him to steal the show like that!



I never liked the twerp, but he does indeed look thoroughly impressive, I might even get him :-?

But as far as 'cool as it gets', I'm siding with Alpha Trion, who is now my new Sky Reign (bet'cha never thought that would be a thing) 8-)
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:19 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP


That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new


I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.


They even kept the pivot hinge the right arm is now attached to (formerly the left), which, by the way, doesn't even seem to serve a purpose for him now...

I can plainly see that it is significantly different now, but, lets not go and pull one over ourselves if he really is metro facing another direction :-?


Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Collector Canine » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:21 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
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steals_your_goats wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP


That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new


I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.


They even kept the pivot hinge the right arm is now attached to (formerly the left), which, by the way, doesn't even seem to serve a purpose for him now...

I can plainly see that it is significantly different now, but, lets not go and pull one over ourselves if he really is metro facing another direction :-?


Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.


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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Doctor McGrath » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:23 pm

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ScottyP wrote:So, Wheelie. Cool as it gets, right? Never expected him to steal the show like that!


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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:25 pm

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ScottyP wrote:So, Wheelie. Cool as it gets, right? Never expected him to steal the show like that!



I never liked the twerp, but he does indeed look thoroughly impressive, I might even get him :-?

But as far as 'cool as it gets', I'm siding with Alpha Trion, who is now my new Sky Reign (bet'cha never thought that would be a thing) 8-)

Hmm, you know, that would be a cool combiner torso. Could even make a good Razorclaw, universe or G1
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Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.



Still a remold though that's something we know.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:35 pm

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Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.



Still a remold though that's something we know.


I'm well aware of that, I'm saying that he's not just Metroplex turned around.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby BERSEKAEL » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:40 pm

no legion class :( ?
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:42 pm

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BERSEKAEL wrote:no legion class :( ?

Sorry to say but I think legion class for generations is long dead. Robots in disguise still has legion figures though.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:42 pm

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Hellscream9999 wrote:
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Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards >:oP


That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new


I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.


They even kept the pivot hinge the right arm is now attached to (formerly the left), which, by the way, doesn't even seem to serve a purpose for him now...

I can plainly see that it is significantly different now, but, lets not go and pull one over ourselves if he really is metro facing another direction :-?


Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.


That's because they added the tower halves to his abdomen area >:oP
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

Postby Collector Canine » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:44 pm

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BERSEKAEL wrote:no legion class :( ?


They stopped making Legion Class figures after Prime ended. Perhaps you mean Legends Class? In that case, Wheelie, Rumble, And Stripes are all Legends Class figures.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Discussion Thread

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BERSEKAEL wrote:no legion class :( ?


They stopped making Legion Class figures after Prime ended. Perhaps you mean Legends Class? In that case, Wheelie, Rumble, And Stripes are all Legends Class figures.
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