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[ThunderThruster]

Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

[-Kanrabat-]

Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

This could also be compared to the SS86 Throne Starscream, but at least his accessories were quite large.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

This could also be compared to the SS86 Throne Starscream, but at least his accessories were quite large.

The throne and cape both occupied a fair amount of space, so those accessories were somewhat worth the price, even if they clearly were not highly desired

[-Kanrabat-]

ER Optimus Prime

SS86 Starscream

SS86 Springer

Legacy leader Soundwave

All of these are voyagers with an accessory pack sold as "leaders."
Love it or gate it, the trend seems to stay.

So, which voyager will be "leaderified" next?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thing is, Springer really doesn't have extra mass. He has basically 4 new standard sized accessories. That isn't a $20 upgrade. And the changes to his robot mode are in-line with what they could do with a voyager retool, so it's not like that added a lot either

[Emerje]

Springer is not a leader, sorry, that level of retooling should've kept him at a voyager, and those accessories are not enough for a leader.

Agreed. Just comparatively, all those accessories alone wouldn't match the material used for Siege Astrotrain's tender, and that's also not factoring in that Astrotrain came with 5 weapons.

This could also be compared to the SS86 Throne Starscream, but at least his accessories were quite large.

This is probably closer to how they justified making Hot Rod a Voyager, but upping the parts count and adding a bunch of individual accessories. Even though they seemed to just be updating parts 1:1, they actually added more function to the new ones. The hands are now two parts and the, the wheels are now pinned to his arms instead of popped onto his shoulders, and his backpack is now at least 3 chunky parts instead of one. That's just the obvious stuff.



I think this is a much better update than just putting new hands on Starscream and a throne (the same throne that didn't really affect the price when included with the Nemesis Brdige three pack).

Emerje

[-Kanrabat-]

I think this is a much better update than just putting new hands on Starscream and a throne (the same throne that didn't really affect the price when included with the Nemesis Brdige three pack).

Emerje

You forgot the cape and crown, accessories that are basically a downscale from MP-11, plus the extra null rays that came with it. They could have charged the leader price just for those, but they overkilled it with the throne.

[Sowndwave76]

I don't think I've been more underwhelmed by a figure than SS86 Coronation Starscream.
That whole scene in the movie was actually really cool and very memorable, but none of that was captured in that figure release.
On top of that, imo it was a horrible use of a leader class slot, and annoyed me even more since I'm such a fan of this subline.

I am very happy with this new Springer, even just for the figure itself.
The accessories are fine, but didn't really do anything to sway me or up my excitement. Now, I can agree that this doesn't seem worthy of $55+. But I do like this character a lot, and this version is improved enough, especially making him taller; he's supposed to be as big as Optimus.
The price is also probably easier for me to digest since so far I'm skipping everything from Legacy except Gears. Yeah, I'm assuming I'll get Legacy Soundwave, partially because of the cassettes. But still...
My main purchases will be Swoop, Springer, CC OP, Blaster, and Bee. Steeljaw will be a little icing.

[Emerje]

Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk

Emerje

[chuckdawg1999]

Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk

Emerje

I got an order in last week when it was listed as "Buy now and we'll let you know if we ship it."

[Emerje]

Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk

Emerje

I got an order in last week when it was listed as "Buy now and we'll let you know if we ship it."

You should have said something, people have been asking about that for a while now since it hasn't been officially announced by Hasbro yet (just Takara Tomy). Even the other news sights seem to have just noticed.

Emerje

[Overcracker]

Bumblebee Movie Core class Starscream finally got listed on Amazon, however it's unavailable.

https://www.amazon.com/transformers-tra ... b0cfzfslxk

Emerje

It now reads the following:
$9.99
Temporarily out of stock.
We are working hard to be back in stock. Place your order and we’ll email you when we have an estimated delivery date. You won’t be charged until the item ships.

SS-BBM-CC-SS

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

I have a theory about our “Next Gen” Bumblebee who’s slated for Studio Series wave 4 this year.

My Initial thought would have been Reactivate, but with the recent news that they don’t plan on doing anything from Reactivate this year and the fact that the listing hasn’t disappeared like Reactivate Lifeline, makes me think that it isn’t Reactivate.

Now, they’ll often use descriptors like “Next Gen” to differentiate between two Bumblebee designs from the same movie, like Clunker Bumblebee for the 2007 movie or Offroad Bumblebee for the Jeep design from BB. I think “Next Gen” is a good descriptor for AOE Concept Camaro Bumblebee, used to differentiate it from the High Octane design for Bumblebee from the same movie. It’d be cool if we got something for AOE’s 10th!

I’m certainly not getting my hopes up considering how the line has been the last few years, but I’d love if this next gen Bee was the AOE concept Camaro design!