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[primalxconvoy]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.

I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.

[Lunatic Prime]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Repainted/-tooled into?
A more classic Thundercracker head?
Why Cogman in particular?

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

Not yet.

[primalxconvoy]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Repainted/-tooled into?
A more classic Thundercracker head?
Why Cogman in particular?

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

Not yet.

Because Cogman was meant to take Nitro's body when he lost his head in a deleted scene from the film. That's why Nitro has got a removable head (which doesn't transform) and Cogman is a Headmaster (because he was meant to Transform into a head for Nitro in the film).

[Lunatic Prime]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Repainted/-tooled into?
A more classic Thundercracker head?
Why Cogman in particular?

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

Not yet.

Because Cogman was meant to take Nitro's body when he lost his head in a deleted scene from the film. That's why Nitro has got a removable head (which doesn't transform) and Cogman is a Headmaster (because he was meant to Transform into a head for Nitro in the film).

I know that but he's talking about Thundercracker. So why should Thundercracker come with a recolored or retooled head of Cogman in particular?

[SpikeyTigertron]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.

IMG_20180214_203250~01.jpg

I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.

I'll admit that Spike on Cogman looks pretty darn good. Though he looks most at home on Fort Max's head.

[primalxconvoy]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Repainted/-tooled into?
A more classic Thundercracker head?
Why Cogman in particular?

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

Not yet.

Because Cogman was meant to take Nitro's body when he lost his head in a deleted scene from the film. That's why Nitro has got a removable head (which doesn't transform) and Cogman is a Headmaster (because he was meant to Transform into a head for Nitro in the film).

I know that but he's talking about Thundercracker. So why should Thundercracker come with a recolored or retooled head of Cogman in particular?

I think they meant if they released Nitro again, instead of Thundercracker, and with a newly retooled Cogman.

[primalxconvoy]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.

IMG_20180214_203250~01.jpg

I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.

I'll admit that Spike on Cogman looks pretty darn good. Though he looks most at home on Fort Max's head.

You mean Cerebros?

[SpikeyTigertron]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Repainted/-tooled into?
A more classic Thundercracker head?
Why Cogman in particular?

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

Not yet.

Because Cogman was meant to take Nitro's body when he lost his head in a deleted scene from the film. That's why Nitro has got a removable head (which doesn't transform) and Cogman is a Headmaster (because he was meant to Transform into a head for Nitro in the film).

I know that but he's talking about Thundercracker. So why should Thundercracker come with a recolored or retooled head of Cogman in particular?

I'd Counter, why does he currently have BW Inferno's face on himself? I just think it would have been nice to have a head/titan master. and *if* they wanted to keep the "movie look" well cogman would have *the* option

[SpikeyTigertron]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.

IMG_20180214_203250~01.jpg

I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.

I'll admit that Spike on Cogman looks pretty darn good. Though he looks most at home on Fort Max's head.

You mean Cerebros?

yeah. though wasn't the Brave Max pretender shell based off the same design?

[SpikeyTigertron]

But yeah, mostly I just don't understand we got Thundercracker. Unless TRU decided "we want thundercracker" when Hasbro said, "who want's a seeker-esque exclusive" had TRU went, "if you make it BLUE to match our previous exclusive MP release".

[primalxconvoy]

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

I disagree. Nitro Zeus especially looks fine in any CHUG collection, whereas Cogman's body is a suitable host for Spike/Galen/Fortress.

IMG_20180214_203250~01.jpg

I'm fact, with a slightly retooled chest and recolouring, it would make a great Nightbeat body, IMO.

I'll admit that Spike on Cogman looks pretty darn good. Though he looks most at home on Fort Max's head.

You mean Cerebros?

yeah. though wasn't the Brave Max pretender shell based off the same design?

I'm sorry? What's the pretender shell got to do with this discussion?

While Titan Master compatible. I can't really say the *regular* heads really match the level of detail/asthetic that the movie line brings. Now if it came with a repainted/tooled cogman... that'd have been interesting.

Repainted/-tooled into?
A more classic Thundercracker head?
Why Cogman in particular?

Given the vtols I *am* surprised they didn't release him as a *new* movie Thrust (the repaint/tool of.... slingshot (?) )

Not yet.

Because Cogman was meant to take Nitro's body when he lost his head in a deleted scene from the film. That's why Nitro has got a removable head (which doesn't transform) and Cogman is a Headmaster (because he was meant to Transform into a head for Nitro in the film).

I know that but he's talking about Thundercracker. So why should Thundercracker come with a recolored or retooled head of Cogman in particular?

I'd Counter, why does he currently have BW Inferno's face on himself? I just think it would have been nice to have a head/titan master. and *if* they wanted to keep the "movie look" well cogman would have *the* option

Why would Cogman be with a BLUE repaint? That doesn't make any sense.

[Lunatic Prime]

So why should Thundercracker come with a recolored or retooled head of Cogman in particular?

I'd Counter, why does he currently have BW Inferno's face on himself?

His head is kind of a mixture of the ones below.
The beak design of his forehead reminds me of (movie) Starscream and Airazor and there's kinda an antennae design, too, which reminds me of Waspinator.
The eyes also remind me of Waspinator's and now that you say it I get an Inferno vibe from him, too.
Edit: And the way his head widens on the bottom is also Starscream's design.

[-Kanrabat-]

Also, bit of Alternity Starscream.

[Sabrblade]

All I'm seeing is just a stylized version Movie Starscream's already-insectoid/beaked head.

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

[Ironhidensh]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

[Sabrblade]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

Since it's a store exclusive, can we really consider this figure to take up a slot in the main line, instead of it being an on-the-side thing?

[-Kanrabat-]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

>Nitro
>A crappy figure

Well, there's always must be that one guy, right? ¯\_◔ ε ◔_/¯

[Lunatic Prime]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

Many people really like the mold and it seems to be that many also like the new deco and head mold (including myself).

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

Technically it is, but you know . . . MOOONEEEY

Since it's a store exclusive, can we really consider this figure to take up a slot in the main line, instead of it being an on-the-side thing?

They are numbered and TC got number 09. So yes.

[william-james88]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

But the wave 1 deluxes aren't even all new moulds, and the voyager star scream is just an upscale.

[SpikeyTigertron]

seeing it side by side with movie starscream I can see some of resemblance. Sort of like Movie 1 Barricade actually had more eyes than I remember. As far as the "why would they pull from other sources in a 'movie' line" who's to say they didn't originally? I personally never understood why/where they pull the original concept for the "monsters = decepticons" from. Plus insectoids lead to easy comparisons with the insect based Beast Wars figures.

As far as why I keep jumping to other characters, versus ITS THUNDERCRACKER!!!1! is because I *really* think that if they were "going to pull a character out of their ass" or use a "side cannon" character better options were on the table. I was only pushing forward 'maybe it's thundercracker because TRU has pulled that exclusive before'. Whether that was just the way Hasbro *always* marketed it, or if the store got to influence it... I wouldn't know. I find it interesting besides the specific target logo'd wrecker (based on that real NASCAR) that Walmart got the *other* wrecks exclusively.

[SpikeyTigertron]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

But the wave 1 deluxes aren't even all new moulds, and the voyager star scream is just an upscale.

I'm not convinced the Jazz mold is new, unless it's "re-engineered" using the base figure.

[SpikeyTigertron]

I'm also not sure why Has/Tak felt the need to "reinvent the wheel" with Lockdown either.

[william-james88]

I'm also not sure why Has/Tak felt the need to "reinvent the wheel" with Lockdown either.

They didn't, studio series lockdown uses the exact same transformation as the last night cog man.

[SpikeyTigertron]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

Not to get into a fight about Nitro, but (if you have it in hand) what do you not like about it? I think some of have mentioned the "chunky" under carriage. but that's pretty much part and parcel of all jet-formers. I do think Thundercracker's colors help the robot junk blend in a LOT better.

One thing I'm not sure a lot of reviews have pointed it, is how dynamic the Nitro mold is. The rear wings/thrusters have a LOT of tilt/angle to them which really adds to dynamic mid-flight or dashing shots. Sure waist swivel would have been cool, but they couldn't have done the (actually rather interesting) arm transformation with it.

If I had one qualm with the design, it's that I wish his tail fin split down the middle or otherwise "laid down" better.

[SpikeyTigertron]

I'm also not sure why Has/Tak felt the need to "reinvent the wheel" with Lockdown either.

They didn't, studio series lockdown uses the exact same transformation as the last night cog man.

oh?! I didn't know that. was it confirmed if his face shield folds down (or has a separate headmaster)?