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Rated X wrote:I still dont get why this guy wasnt titan class size and predaking normal size.

Because Volcanicus is a new combiner and Predaking is a G1 guy?

Zeedust wrote:

Rated X wrote:I still dont get why this guy wasnt titan class size and predaking normal size.

Because Volcanicus is a new combiner and Predaking is a G1 guy?

Nah, think of what would sell better to kids and/or parents in individual packaging, who only want or only can afford 1 or 2 instead of a complete combiner. Dinos or beasts? Dinos, hands down. That is why they are a regular release and Predaking is a box set.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Rated X wrote:I still dont get why this guy wasnt titan class size and predaking normal size.

Because Volcanicus is a new combiner and Predaking is a G1 guy?

Nah, think of what would sell better to kids and/or parents in individual packaging, who only want or only can afford 1 or 2 instead of a complete combiner. Dinos or beasts? Dinos, hands down. That is why they are a regular release and Predaking is a box set.

Fair point, but any reason it can't be both?

Zeedust wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Rated X wrote:I still dont get why this guy wasnt titan class size and predaking normal size.

Because Volcanicus is a new combiner and Predaking is a G1 guy?

Nah, think of what would sell better to kids and/or parents in individual packaging, who only want or only can afford 1 or 2 instead of a complete combiner. Dinos or beasts? Dinos, hands down. That is why they are a regular release and Predaking is a box set.

Fair point, but any reason it can't be both?

My best guess is technically yes, but logistically no. If they made both a regular release it would have to be the the 1 voyager/4 deluxe format, and Predaking would take up another 1 voyager and 4 deluxe slots. As we currently know, there are only about 8 deluxe slots left and about 3-6 voyager slots left. Plus, they would still need something to fit into the titan slot for this year. My guess is that doing Predaking as a titan was easier than finalizing a design for Scoponok or Omega Supreme. I'm also guessing that they have another combiner planned for waves 5-6, which would eat up many of the unused slots.

So I've been looking at the new Battletrap and trying to figure out a good weapon for him . Does anyone know if the G1's weapon will work? I'm just not sure of the post size.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Rated X wrote:I still dont get why this guy wasnt titan class size and predaking normal size.

Because Volcanicus is a new combiner and Predaking is a G1 guy?

Nah, think of what would sell better to kids and/or parents in individual packaging, who only want or only can afford 1 or 2 instead of a complete combiner. Dinos or beasts? Dinos, hands down. That is why they are a regular release and Predaking is a box set.

Well I know my kid self would have wanted both but that's my Beast Era bias showing. No, my theory for why he's a Titan Class is that Predaking is not a Scramble-city type combiner, like Devastator. Hence why these two are Titan-class set and not part of the Deluxe+Voyager lineups.

Everybody checking their local Walmarts? I found Rodimus Prime at mine. They also had Optimus, but I didn't have the money for two leader class figures at the moment. I've seen reports of other Walmarts having the leader class figures as well.

Rodimus is lots of fun. Yes, he's got flaws, but he's fun. And, no surprise, I'm pretty easy on Hot Rod/Rodimus figures.

Skritz wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Rated X wrote:I still dont get why this guy wasnt titan class size and predaking normal size.

Because Volcanicus is a new combiner and Predaking is a G1 guy?

Nah, think of what would sell better to kids and/or parents in individual packaging, who only want or only can afford 1 or 2 instead of a complete combiner. Dinos or beasts? Dinos, hands down. That is why they are a regular release and Predaking is a box set.

Well I know my kid self would have wanted both but that's my Beast Era bias showing. No, my theory for why he's a Titan Class is that Predaking is not a Scramble-city type combiner, like Devastator. Hence why these two are Titan-class set and not part of the Deluxe+Voyager lineups.

Not to mention, the main selling point for the G1 Predacons was that all 5 members were the same size (meaning they'd be at the same price point), the bigger size allows more wiggle room for Razorclaw's proportions in all modes. Plus, the toys were already bigger than the standard Scramble City limbs (boxed instead of carded). True, the Dinobots were boxed too, but in current lines other Dinosaur (and other prehistoric animals) toys have been Deluxes for the most part.

It's evident that Hasbro wants the great big Titan class figures to be known, familiar, popular, iconic characters so as to appeal to the big spending collectors who have the dough to buy them.

Metroplex: The First Autobot Cityformer

Devastator: The First Combiner

Fortress Maximus: The Largest Transformers Toy of G1

Trypticon: The First Decepticon Cityformer

Predaking: The Largest Combiner Toy of G1


Even though his components are known characters, Volcanicus himself is an all new guy, a nobody, who hold little nostalgic value to the average consumer who's nostalgic towards G1 and wants to buy the new toys of the uber-giant characters from their childhood. Predaking has that appeal, Volcanicus doesn't.

Grimlock on his own does, but wasn't one of those uber-giants that the Titan class toys are reserved for. Hence, selling the Dinobots individually works out better for them since their appeal applies first and foremost to them on an individual level rather than on a combined level. People have even complained about how the combiner gimmick seems to have hindered the Dinobots from being done "quite right", claiming that they'd have looked better if not for the "new gimmick forced onto them".

I think at this point we're going in circles now, or sounding like a stuck record... stuck record.... stuck record. *slams*

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Everybody checking their local Walmarts? I found Rodimus Prime at mine. They also had Optimus, but I didn't have the money for two leader class figures at the moment. I've seen reports of other Walmarts having the leader class figures as well.

Rodimus is lots of fun. Yes, he's got flaws, but he's fun. And, no surprise, I'm pretty easy on Hot Rod/Rodimus figures.

I heard a similar thing, but it may be a while before they hit my area.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:First up, a question: because I was trying to avoid spoiling the figures for myself and watched very very little of reviews, did we know that Jazz's package had the Elita-1 Combiner on the side of it, complete with Jazz as the left leg and Moonracer as the left arm?

I certainly didn't, and I'm notorious for my eye for detail. I just checked Dreadwind's side art and he's got Starscream on his. Even so, he still has Rippersnapper as one of his legs...

Ok, say Jazz is an integral part of the Elita-1 combiner. Who's the final member, after Moonracer and Novastar?

Who knows, but if this is an official combiner, we may find out when we get elita next wave, as the voyagers show the proper limbs, don't they? It may also be proof that we will get a wave 5, or wave 4 will be bigger than we thought.

But who knows

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:First up, a question: because I was trying to avoid spoiling the figures for myself and watched very very little of reviews, did we know that Jazz's package had the Elita-1 Combiner on the side of it, complete with Jazz as the left leg and Moonracer as the left arm?

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I certainly didn't, and I'm notorious for my eye for detail. I just checked Dreadwind's side art and he's got Starscream on his. Even so, he still has Rippersnapper as one of his legs...

Ok, say Jazz is an integral part of the Elita-1 combiner. Who's the final member, after Moonracer and Novastar?

Who knows, but if this is an official combiner, we may find out when we get elita next wave, as the voyagers show the proper limbs, don't they? It may also be proof that we will get a wave 5, or wave 4 will be bigger than we thought.

But who knows

I'm betting we see a lot of recycled limb bots on these rando combiners.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Everybody checking their local Walmarts? I found Rodimus Prime at mine. They also had Optimus, but I didn't have the money for two leader class figures at the moment. I've seen reports of other Walmarts having the leader class figures as well.

Rodimus is lots of fun. Yes, he's got flaws, but he's fun. And, no surprise, I'm pretty easy on Hot Rod/Rodimus figures.

I just got mine at target with no breakage fyi, but other then that you took the words right out of my mouth!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I think at this point we're going in circles now, or sounding like a stuck record... stuck record.... stuck record. *slams*

You spin me right round baby right round, like a record baby right round round round...

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I think at this point we're going in circles now, or sounding like a stuck record... stuck record.... stuck record. *slams*

You spin me right round baby right round, like a record baby right round round round...

I want your LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEE!!!!!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I think at this point we're going in circles now, or sounding like a stuck record... stuck record.... stuck record. *slams*

You spin me right round baby right round, like a record baby right round round round...

I want your LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEEE!!!!!

R.I.P. Pete Burns

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:First up, a question: because I was trying to avoid spoiling the figures for myself and watched very very little of reviews, did we know that Jazz's package had the Elita-1 Combiner on the side of it, complete with Jazz as the left leg and Moonracer as the left arm?

I certainly didn't, and I'm notorious for my eye for detail. I just checked Dreadwind's side art and he's got Starscream on his. Even so, he still has Rippersnapper as one of his legs...

Ok, say Jazz is an integral part of the Elita-1 combiner. Who's the final member, after Moonracer and Novastar?

Who knows, but if this is an official combiner, we may find out when we get elita next wave, as the voyagers show the proper limbs, don't they? It may also be proof that we will get a wave 5, or wave 4 will be bigger than we thought.

But who knows

Maybe it's just me? but the Elita One combiner looks like it's using two Jazzes as legs. Her left leg is obviously Jazz, as you can see the stripes, wheels and headlights. Her right leg is a little too straight sided to be a beast, plus, it's the same color and roughly the same shape as Jazz's leg mode, and you can see the headlights of the car in blue at the top of the knee.

Slightly off-topic question: does anyone know why the combiners (save Volcanicus) in POTP don't have their own names?

Bounti76 wrote:Maybe it's just me? but the Elita One combiner looks like it's using two Jazzes as legs. Her left leg is obviously Jazz, as you can see the stripes, wheels and headlights. Her right leg is a little too straight sided to be a beast, plus, it's the same color and roughly the same shape as Jazz's leg mode, and you can see the headlights of the car in blue at the top of the knee.

A bit simplified, but yeah, it actually looks like a second use of the Jazz mold! We won't know who it is yet until the 5th Wave (Wave 4 is Novastar plus repacks), or at the very least until Elita-1 is released however.

Slightly off-topic question: does anyone know why the combiners (save Volcanicus) in POTP don't have their own names?

Don't forget Abominus and Predaking!

Powering up seems to be the central theme in this line, either via the Prime Masters, the Enigma of Combination, the Matrix of Leadership or a combination thereof. So for the most part, combined forms are treated as power-ups for whoever forms the torso (Starscream especially has experience with that, go read Deviations), note how the standard and combiner heads are similar in design (except Inferno, being a retool of Hot Spot and all). Volcanicus, Abominus and Predaking are treated as special cases as the ones that form them share a common theme (Dinosaurs, Monsters, Wild Animals), and thus could be considered...

Best Match

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:Maybe it's just me? but the Elita One combiner looks like it's using two Jazzes as legs. Her left leg is obviously Jazz, as you can see the stripes, wheels and headlights. Her right leg is a little too straight sided to be a beast, plus, it's the same color and roughly the same shape as Jazz's leg mode, and you can see the headlights of the car in blue at the top of the knee.

A bit simplified, but yeah, it actually looks like a second use of the Jazz mold! We won't know who it is yet until the 5th Wave (Wave 4 is Novastar plus repacks), or at the very least until Elita-1 is released however.

Slightly off-topic question: does anyone know why the combiners (save Volcanicus) in POTP don't have their own names?

Don't forget Abominus and Predaking!

Powering up seems to be the central theme in this line, either via the Prime Masters, the Enigma of Combination, the Matrix of Leadership or a combination thereof. So for the most part, combined forms are treated as power-ups for whoever forms the torso (Starscream especially has experience with that, go read Deviations), note how the standard and combiner heads are similar in design (except Inferno, being a retool of Hot Spot and all). Volcanicus, Abominus and Predaking are treated as special cases as the ones that form them share a common theme (Dinosaurs, Monsters, Wild Animals), and thus could be considered...

Best Match

Very good points....and somehow I forgot about Abominus.....which is nuts, because he's the only G1 combiner I regularly display. And though I know he's heavily rumored, I didn't think about Predaking, because he hasn't been officially announced.

Bounti76 wrote:And though I know he's heavily rumored, I didn't think about Predaking, because he hasn't been officially announced.

His grey model has been shown off at NYCC 2017... Well, his back pack aka Divebomb's wings:



That's the Trypticon Leg of this Titan

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: Best Match

My Walmart finally got some PotP! But only Legends and Deluxes so far.....Good luck on the Leader and Prime Master hunts everyone!

Totally said I wasn't going to buy Windcharger.

But totally bought Windcharger.

Yeah - the Legends size is super appealing because of the Titan Master/Prime Master play pattern for me.

So totally against buying Skrapnel. I'd rather get the older version with Reflector.

Been slow picking up other PoTP figures as TR figures are getting significant discounts.

My local Walmart only has Legends, still. A single Fangry, Kup and a few Octones are keeping the rest from coming in. Shame.

They did get a load of TR Legends in, mainly Bumblebee, Brawn and Chase/Roadburn, plus RiD Warriors with Twinferno and Bludgeon! Look for endcaps!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:My local Walmart only has Legends, still. A single Fangry, Kup and a few Octones are keeping the rest from coming in. Shame.

They did get a load of TR Legends in, mainly Bumblebee, Brawn and Chase/Roadburn, plus RiD Warriors with Twinferno and Bludgeon! Look for endcaps!

A dime holding up a dollar, I know that feel. Our area still hasn't started clearancing the older figures yet.