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Skritz wrote:Well, Battletrap surprisingly managed to live up to my expectations. Its quite an interesting remake of the Duocon and one which manage to look shockingly accurate to his old G1 art even with the new gimmick of giving his two halves a robot mode. He's also now, technically, an itty-bitty legends class two-man combiner and that's adorable and novel.

So, now that we got Legends-class figures jamming up into each others...erm...interface port, think we're going to see some remake of Micromasters figures?

Well, so far they've done:
City bots
Combiners
Headmasters
Powermaster
Targetmasters
Pretenders
Duocons
Beast formers

The only things really left are action masters and micromasters. Maybe breastforce? Brain masters?

Sabrblade wrote:Does anyone else kinda wish that Battletrap and Flywheels had originally had their names switched so that the one made up of more obviously battle-based vehicles (the fighter jet and tank) had been named "Battletrap", while the one with the more obviously visible wheels (on the truck), rather than treads, had been named "Flywheels"?

YES 100%. As a kid I had the original Flywheels, (I thought the Tank/Jet was better than the Helicopter/Truck)but I always got there names confused. Funny because I don't get Topspin or Twin Twist confused (Probably because I associate Twist=drill missiles). But I still get Runamuck and Runabout confused...

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Does anyone else kinda wish that Battletrap and Flywheels had originally had their names switched so that the one made up of more obviously battle-based vehicles (the fighter jet and tank) had been named "Battletrap", while the one with the more obviously visible wheels (on the truck), rather than treads, had been named "Flywheels"?

YES 100%. As a kid I had the original Flywheels, (I thought the Tank/Jet was better than the Helicopter/Truck)but I always got there names confused. Funny because I don't get Topspin or Twin Twist confused (Probably because I associate Twist=drill missiles). But I still get Runamuck and Runabout confused...

For Runabout and Runamuck for me, I think of "muck" as being like an icky black substance, but then I remember that it's the opposite-colored guy with the "muck"-sounding name.

As for Battletrap and Flywheels, I feel it's worth mentioning that, in their debut episode of The Headmasters, their name captions were indeed switched on the screen, labeling the jet/tank guy as "Battletrap" and the truck/helicopter guy as "Flywheel" (no "S" in the Japanese name).

Now that they can combine, hopefully we will see Slamdance and Squawkbox

All I can say is that love this three. Battleslash and Roadtrap are nice little Generiacons and Battletrap looks perfect. Tailgate is lovely I can't wait to pick him up.

Love everything about the Duocons here! Except Roadtrap's vehicle form...

kurthy wrote:The only things really left are action masters and micromasters. Maybe breastforce? Brain masters?

I doubt we'll see the Actionmaster characters as actual action masters but they definitely are to be considered as a possibility for future generations lineup. Personally I'm betting more on the 'Euro G1' stuff getting redone before anything truly exclusive to japan, with the exception of maybe Star Saber and Deathsaurus on the simple basis they are the lead hero and villain of a show.

I should add that my interest in seeing the Micromasters is entirely because I'd love to see what Hasbro could do with a lineup of smaller figures, given that we've had some rather excellent Legends-class figures and would be quite interested to see things like two-packs, three packs or 'playset' like the bases being given a second chance. That and smaller figures save on plastic and I'm sure that is something Hasbro would not be adverse to.

Small figures are not inherently bad when they strike a good deal between size and complexity and most modern legends class figures have been very nice and poseable for something small, with good looking robot and alt modes. So the potential is there. That and potentially they could 'do a Combiner Wars' and make heavy use of shared engineering to allow for more characters at a fraction of the cost and the possibility of shared gimmick engineering. Plus, maybe I just want to army build huge crowds of Autobot and Decepticon micromasters. One can hope that it is something Hasbro has considered for future lines.

Sorry, just my opinion, but with TT and Hasbro *merging brands* I would think we might *hopefully* see more characters from the japan lore. I'm not really into the few Euro exclusive characters. But we've already seen plenty of Japanese characters in the Generations line. Liokaiser, Sky Shadow, Metalhawk etc...and I'd love to see more, only time will tell.

As for Action Masters...I don't know...we got deluxe Krok in TR...maybe if they could create actual alt modes for some of them? I can't see Hasbro investing in another Transformers action-figure line of non-transforming toys, but I'm usually 100% wrong, so it probably is in the works.

o.supreme wrote:Sorry, just my opinion, but with TT and Hasbro *merging brands* I would think we might *hopefully* see more characters from the japan lore. I'm not really into the few Euro exclusive characters. But we've already seen plenty of Japanese characters in the Generations line. Liokaiser, Sky Shadow, Metalhawk etc...and I'd love to see more, only time will tell.

As for Action Masters...I don't know...we got deluxe Krok in TR...maybe if they could create actual alt modes for some of them? I can't see Hasbro investing in another Transformers action-figure line of non-transforming toys, but I'm usually 100% wrong, so it probably is in the works.

To that I would say I didn't really expect them to invest in pretenders. I only joked about the possibility.

Skritz wrote:

kurthy wrote:The only things really left are action masters and micromasters. Maybe breastforce? Brain masters?

I doubt we'll see the Actionmaster characters as actual action masters but they definitely are to be considered as a possibility for future generations lineup. Personally I'm betting more on the 'Euro G1' stuff getting redone before anything truly exclusive to japan, with the exception of maybe Star Saber and Deathsaurus on the simple basis they are the lead hero and villain of a show.

I should add that my interest in seeing the Micromasters is entirely because I'd love to see what Hasbro could do with a lineup of smaller figures, given that we've had some rather excellent Legends-class figures and would be quite interested to see things like two-packs, three packs or 'playset' like the bases being given a second chance. That and smaller figures save on plastic and I'm sure that is something Hasbro would not be adverse to.

Small figures are not inherently bad when they strike a good deal between size and complexity and most modern legends class figures have been very nice and poseable for something small, with good looking robot and alt modes. So the potential is there. That and potentially they could 'do a Combiner Wars' and make heavy use of shared engineering to allow for more characters at a fraction of the cost and the possibility of shared gimmick engineering. Plus, maybe I just want to army build huge crowds of Autobot and Decepticon micromasters. One can hope that it is something Hasbro has considered for future lines.

I'm usually impressed by Takara/Hasbro's ability to engineer smaller figures. They honestly make me disappointed in voyagers and leaders because of the engineering and complexity at the smaller scale. And what about micromasters could they do that they haven't already done at the legends scale? They'd have to make bases, combined vehicles, or transports. Given how low some of the prime and movie playsets have sold, I'm guessing they won't venture into that.

Well, most Action Masters already have an 'implied alt mode' (except Banzaitron, because he's just Banzaitron and he's awesome) and we already saw, as mentionned, Krok re-imagined as...well...a crocodile using the new Skullcruncher mold. My guess being that we'll see more Actionmasters over the years being used as filler for lines using molds they otherwise would not reuse.

But I'm talking straight up fully articulated action masters. Fully articulated action masters jazz with no kibble.

kurthy wrote:But I'm talking straight up fully articulated action masters. Fully articulated action masters jazz with no kibble.

Honestly I don't see that happening any time soon.

Edit: Then again we've all been saying that about any Pretender not called Bludgeon or Thunderwing for the last decade, right?

100% agree, but it's really all that's left to clear out G1.

Micromasters may be the last gimmick that hasn't been touched yet, but there are still plenty of characters from the 85-91 lines from both Hasbro & Takara that haven't had a generations update yet, enough to fill a couple more years I'm sure. I know PotP is the last of a trilogy, and I figure Hasbro will go onto something completely different once its all said and done...but I hear fans keep speculating that the Original Series-centric theme will continue past PotP...I don't know what that's based on since there has been not even an inkling of what may come next, I'm just happy we have PotP. I know we pretty much know what 2018 has in store, but I cant wait to see the remaining waves of PotP we will *hopefully* get in 2019.

I guess my collecting days are not done just yet besides the Titanmasters, Jazz, Elita, Moonracer and what's left of TR I don't have.

Now that I think of it besides Windcharger who is ok all of the legend figures in this line seem great.

Way cool,definitely going to get those guys. Making me all nostalgic for the Energon days haha.

Skritz wrote:Well, most Action Masters already have an 'implied alt mode' (except Banzaitron, because he's just Banzaitron and he's awesome) and we already saw, as mentionned, Krok re-imagined as...well...a crocodile using the new Skullcruncher mold. My guess being that we'll see more Actionmasters over the years being used as filler for lines using molds they otherwise would not reuse.

My pitch on the Action Masters would be to make them a more articulated version of the Prime Master shell, sacrificing weapon mode, with a Titan/Head Master Head in the backpack of the character.

Deluxes would go back to the TR style. And my pitch would be to “sweeten” the obscure characters by bundling in a spare head of an iconic character. The Deluxes themselves would be a mix of G1 hodge podge and Transmetals homages. (Which creates an opening for mutant faces as separate Titan Masters.)

Legends would power-link.

And I think the goal I’d set with Voyagers would be triple changers with two robot modes. Have a few exceptions to let Doubledealer and others in. I’d probably look at a new Rodimus in here.

Have Leaders echo the Powerlink gimmick. Big robot mode. Single big vehicle mode. But split into two Deluxes. ATB Megatron/Starscream also released as Dreadwind/Smokejumper.

This would basically be like Powerlinking if a big, articulated robot mode was the first design consideration.

Can the helicopter blades still spin on Battleslash while a Titan/Prime Master is seated back there?



Power of the Primes Legends are turning out the be the must-haves from this line for me.

Nobody is seeing the awkward position of the knees when sitting on the back of Roadtrap or Battleslash? OUCH! I suspect they're actually meant to be completely folded up.

These are pretty gorgeous. I may consider getting them after all.







Source: Clement Soh

Va'al wrote:These are pretty gorgeous. I may consider getting them after all.







Source: Clement Soh

If this is the result of "unifying the brands" I am 100% on board. These two (and tailgate from the limited look we got of him) are pretty much perfect. So much detail

well, so much for considering going Takara only. Anyway, does anyone else think this was planned for a while and the Autobot Targetmasters were paired with Windblade Topspin and Twintwist because the designer knew if their regular partners were to be released in the future, the weapons wouldnt happen then?

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Emerje wrote:This is the wave I've been most looking forward to so I wont be surprised at all if it doesn't show up in my area. Hopefully Battleslash survives longer than the G1 helicopter half I had as a kid which exploded one time when I combined the two halves. Now I wonder what they'll call the two halves of Flywheels?


Emerje

Flyby?
GrindWheels?

Flytread
Skywheels