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"GREAT"! i sold my Classics Powerglide years ago then Hasbro comes up with a Moonracer toy?

BOTE NOT MUNKY.

Also in our new video content from Hasbro's first Hascon event, we have a recording on our YouTube channel of the reveals that took place during the VIP dinner panels - which include the slew of grey models and artwork for new Transformers Power of the Primes figures: Terrorcons Rippersnapper and Hun-Gurr, plus Mooracer and the evolving Optimus Primal (new chosen Prime from the fan-vote) into cosmic surfing gorilla Optimal Optimus! Check it out below.

durroth wrote:

KingofVIZ wrote:Either face is not done or they're trying to keep hush-hush about Hun-grrr

Neither. I thought so at first too, but then I took a look at the details poking out from BEHIND the pasted on decepticon symbol. I am about 80% sure that's Redemption/Salvation femdinobot Strafe's head

I'm not one to easily be freaked out, but Strafe's beast mode needs to be burned at the stake with a preist supervising!

Really hope hasbro includes a pretender shell for optimus primal so the deluxe can have a monkey mode of sorts (and not die from staying in robot mode...), if not it might be something a third party could do. The skateboard thing seems odd as it was only for transmetal but at least it can be ape modes back pack. Really interested to see if they do BW Megatron at soem point (T-rex to the TM Dragon would be neat)

Very excited to see the Terrorcons, but Hun-gurr doesn't look good to me. The thick dragon necks and the thick robot mode arms throw me off. Hopefully they will rework those. That bulk needs to be on the legs instead of the arms. The legs of the robot mode look too thin.

I want this as a retool.




Who's with me!

Now that aside, I'm not sure how I feel about the other new reveals. Hun-gurrr was my favorite torso of the original combiners, but this version is looking like maybe the worst yet. His bot mode has weird legs, tiny narrow feet, and his tail is now on his chest which may not be a mistake, his combined chest looks to be on his back. Then his dragon mode just looks terrible! Tiny front legs like kickstands on a bike, back legs that bend the wrong way (again, not mistransformed, the feet are on hinges, there's no way to spin the leg around), and his belly drags now.

Also looks like he's another one that does a headstand like Silverbolt, he appears to have combiner ports hidden in his wrists (to form knees) and knees (to make shoulders) just like Silverbolt. Kinda makes me sad since now he wont have dragon knees.

Not sure how I feel about Optimus Primal. I'm not a big fan of him being a space bus/surf board now instead of a gorilla. It really isn't much of an evolution. Hot Rod and Rodimus are both full represented in all four main modes, Optimus evolves from Orion Pax and has an acceptable truck mode with trailer. But Primal getting an alt mode he's never had before while Hot Rod does and Orion may as well have just doesn't sit well with me. I'm a little happy and a little annoyed that the gorilla mode of Optimal Optimus doesn't require Primal, just because it's nice that Primal gets to have a big gorilla partner, but annoying that the other guys' trailers don't seem to turn into anything on their own.

Also, knowing that Primal doesn't turn into a gorilla really makes me want to see his bot mode replaced with Beast Machines Megatron.

Moonracer looks fine to me aside from the strange feet and something of a backpack.

Need to see all of these painted before I pass final judgement.

Emerje

They look great. I'm loving the space cruiser mode for Optimus. Like others here I hope the cockpit is Titanmaster compatible.

Rippersnapper looks great with his Wolverine claws. I just hope you can open his creature mouth.

DMSL wrote:The thick dragon necks and the thick robot mode arms throw me off. Hopefully they will rework those. That bulk needs to be on the legs instead of the arms. The legs of the robot mode look too thin.

I thought his arm size was the part they got most right about the figure.

Windsweeper wrote:Rippersnapper looks great with his Wolverine claws. I just hope you can open his creature mouth.

Looks like he has a pin hole for a hinge above his bottom jaw and you can see from the bot mode that his jaws are separate pieces.

Emerje

Did anyone at the panel explain why Hun-Gurrr's face is hidden? They surely can't have shown that without some sort of reference to it.

Also, he's totally a Silverbolt retool you guys

Kurona wrote:he's totally a Silverbolt retool you guys

That's not Silverbolt.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:he's totally a Silverbolt retool you guys

That's not Silverbolt.

Really? The torso mode could've fooled me

Kurona wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:he's totally a Silverbolt retool you guys

That's not Silverbolt.

Really? The torso mode could've fooled me

Apparently it did fool you, since you called it Silverbolt.

Kurona wrote:Did anyone at the panel explain why Hun-Gurrr's face is hidden? They surely can't have shown that without some sort of reference to it.

From the panel video we got just above, apparently all we've been told is that the sneak peek is "so exclusive we can't even show you his face" Who knows what that's supposed to mean. Long shot here, but: maybe it's a secondary-use face, and they've covered it up so as not to spoil potential other uses they're considering for the mold? That's my best (read:only) guess, anyways.

Kurona wrote:Also, he's totally a Silverbolt retool you guys

For once, it seems like declaring him to be based on a previous figure is the rational thing to do here. He sure does look like a Silverbolt body-type (heavily altered nonetheless, maybe more along the lines of shared engineering a la Dead End / Chromedome). I wonder if that means we'll be able to finagle a semi-jet-mode out of him somehow, just for fun?

Hun-Grr looks decent. Definitely getting Silverbolt retool vibes from him. Oh well, he looks so heavily retooled it shouldn't matter.

Rippersnapper looks amazing! I just hope he gets more than a headswap for the inevitable Overbite redeco. I'll totally agree though, an Energon Cruellock retool would be an awesome thing.

Moonracer actually looks brilliant! I'll definitely be getting her.

Optimus Primal looks great in robot mode and "super mode" but seriously why the hell is he a log with a cockpit and not a gorilla? Are you f***ing kidding me Warden? Are you so petty and spiteful over Primal winning instead of one of your GEEWUN characters that you deliberately did a crap job? Screw you Warden. I ain't buying it. Come back when you do your job properly.

Looking much closer at the Optimus Primal and realising a few many things.

1. He does, in fact, work like the other Leaders in that the 'deluxe' forms the top part of the Leader's robot mode. His being the surfboard for the Gorilla mode tricked us into thinking otherwise; but you can clearly see the cockpit of Primal's alt mode forming Optimal's chest; and the in-progress models show the rest of Primal's alt mode as a backpack. Proving this is that you can see the Matrix of Leadership in Optimal's chest and Primal's cockpit.

2. Talking of which: MATRIX OF FRIGGIN' LEADERSHIP! This also seems to confirm that Prime/Titan Masters can go in the cockpit; since the Matrix would itself be a Prime Master.

Kurona wrote:1. He does, in fact, work like the other Leaders in that the 'deluxe' forms the top part of the Leader's robot mode. His being the surfboard for the Gorilla mode tricked us into thinking otherwise; but you can clearly see the cockpit of Primal's alt mode forming Optimal's chest; and the in-progress models show the rest of Primal's alt mode as a backpack. Proving this is that you can see the Matrix of Leadership in Optimal's chest and Primal's cockpit.

Yes, it's exacty what I said three pages ago.

it was the only logical choice according the constraints of the line to give him this ship form instead of gorilla.

Same as Orion which has an Optimus truck alt mode. (strange, nobody complains here).

It doesn't bother me a lot, we already had a good recent Monkey-Primal with the BW anniversary/cybertron one (not even talking of the recents BW retools and the MP), this new one is the perfect opportunity to finally get a cybertronian Primal other than the unaffordable 2006 botcon one.


So, if the renders are accurate, it means he can be :


Alone :

- Small Primal transforming as shuttle.
- 'Trailer' being an independant gorilla which can played with, contrary to Optimus and Rodimus trailers which are only... trailers, useless without the deluxe bot.

Combined :

- Monkey riding the shuttle as surf (like TM Primal)
- Monkey with Armored backpack
- Optimal Optimus
- Optimal Optimus flying mode. (shown only in the renders)


7 Modes, VS Optimus and rodimus 4 modes !

I absolutely don't understand the griefs. There's a monkey, except it's the trailer.
It's not a masterpiece line where the characters needs to be cartoon accurate, it's POTP, where the leaders are supposed to be deluxe toys merging with a 'trailer' in order to become another/evolved character.
And he's doing it awesomely, better than Optimus and Hotrod. So much playability..

Seriously, this is so ridiculously awesome. I was hyped by Optimus and Hotrod, but Optimal Optimus just made them obsolete.

Kurona wrote:Looking much closer at the Optimus Primal and realising a few many things.

1. He does, in fact, work like the other Leaders in that the 'deluxe' forms the top part of the Leader's robot mode. His being the surfboard for the Gorilla mode tricked us into thinking otherwise; but you can clearly see the cockpit of Primal's alt mode forming Optimal's chest; and the in-progress models show the rest of Primal's alt mode as a backpack. Proving this is that you can see the Matrix of Leadership in Optimal's chest and Primal's cockpit.

2. Talking of which: MATRIX OF FRIGGIN' LEADERSHIP! This also seems to confirm that Prime/Titan Masters can go in the cockpit; since the Matrix would itself be a Prime Master.

Indeed, that is the case! And the chest/back guns are Primal's dumb... pipe... things. Yeah alright official artwork, I'm suuure those are swords.

I still wouldn't put it out of the question that the Deluxe Primal could be nudged into a vaguely gorilla-like form, either. Not a very good or convincing one I'm sure, but probably close enough that a third-party could fix it up fairly easily at least. As one who's not too concerned either way about BW this turn of events hasn't bothered me too much, but I do really sympathize with those who'd been hoping for something more than a log with a cockpit. (Not to mention it gives him a huuuge friggin' backpack in robot mode. Like, you couldn't even get him to turn into a plank without relying on a chunk of kibble 2/3 the size of the rest of the robot? Come on now.)

This does actually make me wonder how the rest of the poll participants would have worked with the POTP Leader Evolution gimmick. Star Saber, Ultra Magnus and Thunderwing are fairly obvious -- it was basically the former's original gimmick and the latter two had similar gimmicks in their original toys too which the POTP Evolution gimmick would, well, work as an evolution of. Though I am curious how they'd get around the colour discrepancies between Thunderwing's inner robot and outer robot.

But what about Megatron, Arcee, Hound, Shockwave and Deathsaurus? How would they be done? Especially in the case of Arcee and Hound -- the rest you can easily imagine as big Leader-sized terrors and there's even precedent for that, but Arcee and Hound have consistently been portrayed as smaller characters. Would they have come up with brand new designs? Would they have gone with AOE/TLK Hound as the evolved form for Hound? Would Arcee basically become Elita?

Admittedly this probably doesn't matter as we'll likely never see the rest of the poll participants come about. But I'm still very curious now we've seen what the winner of the poll got.

Kurona wrote:But what about Megatron, Arcee, Hound, Shockwave and Deathsaurus? How would they be done? Especially in the case of Arcee and Hound -- the rest you can easily imagine as big Leader-sized terrors and there's even precedent for that, but Arcee and Hound have consistently been portrayed as smaller characters. Would they have come up with brand new designs? Would they have gone with AOE/TLK Hound as the evolved form for Hound? Would Arcee basically become Elita?

Admittedly this probably doesn't matter as we'll likely never see the rest of the poll participants come about. But I'm still very curious now we've seen what the winner of the poll got.

I more think they did some stats and threw these more or less as random names in order to add choices, perfectly knowing they had no chances at all facing magnus Primal and such.

Kurona wrote:I am curious how they'd get around the colour discrepancies between Thunderwing's inner robot and outer robot.

Presumably the same way they'll get around the colour discrepancies between Primal's regular and Optimal forms - however that ends up being done. Bit of a non-answer isn't it, I don't even know why I chimed in now.

I'm quite curious about all the others too, though Magnus is still the main one I'd really be interested in seeing. The more I look at this Leader Optimus (Prime, not Primal, boy that's gonna get confusing), the less he looks like it'll be possible to do a decent Magnus out of him, which makes me a sad boy . For Arcee particularly though, I'd say all bets would've been off - we know now from Primal that the design team wouldn't have been afraid to totally ditch her regular alt-mode if they felt like they could integrate it better with something completely different, and it's not like she's really had many other forms across her media depictions. Maybe her 'inner' robot might've turned into a motorcycle? It certainly would've been interesting to see!

(And yeah, ExciKaiser's probably right that they had no design plans at all, knowing that they wouldn't have had a chance of winning in the first place. But since we're almost certainly never going to have official word one way or the other, it's fun to throw ideas around and see what might stick!)

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:I am curious how they'd get around the colour discrepancies between Thunderwing's inner robot and outer robot.

Presumably the same way they'll get around the colour discrepancies between Primal's regular and Optimal forms - however that ends up being done. Bit of a non-answer isn't it, I don't even know why I chimed in now.

I'm quite curious about all the others too, though Magnus is still the main one I'd really be interested in seeing. The more I look at this Leader Optimus (Prime, not Primal, boy that's gonna get confusing), the less he looks like it'll be possible to do a decent Magnus out of him, which makes me a sad boy. For Arcee particularly though, I'd say all bets would've been off - we know now from Primal that the design team wouldn't have been afraid to totally ditch her regular alt-mode if they felt like they could integrate it better with something completely different. It certainly would've been interesting to see!

True, though Primal had a much bigger form that's fairly well known for Hasbro to fall back on. What would Arcee's Leader-class suit have been?

Kurona wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Kurona wrote:I am curious how they'd get around the colour discrepancies between Thunderwing's inner robot and outer robot.

Presumably the same way they'll get around the colour discrepancies between Primal's regular and Optimal forms - however that ends up being done. Bit of a non-answer isn't it, I don't even know why I chimed in now.

I'm quite curious about all the others too, though Magnus is still the main one I'd really be interested in seeing. The more I look at this Leader Optimus (Prime, not Primal, boy that's gonna get confusing), the less he looks like it'll be possible to do a decent Magnus out of him, which makes me a sad boy. For Arcee particularly though, I'd say all bets would've been off - we know now from Primal that the design team wouldn't have been afraid to totally ditch her regular alt-mode if they felt like they could integrate it better with something completely different. It certainly would've been interesting to see!

True, though Primal had a much bigger form that's fairly well known for Hasbro to fall back on. What would Arcee's Leader-class suit have been?

Heh, I was actually just in the process of amending that post to reflect my best ideas for her. My compulsive post-then-edit-to-clarify method is kinda falling to pieces in the current high-post-rate climate.

Moonracer looks okay. The Terrorcons look great, though. Here's hoping we see the rest of them (and Abominus) soon.

Primal Prime is interesting. I'll admit, regular Primal becoming a surfboard is a little odd, but it does make for a nice nod to Transmetal Primal.