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News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon May 15, 2023 8:45 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:They're getting their use out of that SS86 Scourge mold.

Like they did for the classic deluxe.

Yet they didn't for the Titan Returns one. :-?

News Credits: 381 · by **Bounti76** » Mon May 15, 2023 9:25 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:They're getting their use out of that SS86 Scourge mold.

Like they did for the classic deluxe.
Yet they didn't for the Titan Returns one.

This is only the 4th use of the Scourge mold. This will be the tenth use of the Megatron mold, whether Earth tank or Cybertronian.

News Credits: 4529 · by **william-james88** » Mon May 15, 2023 11:33 pm

Looks like fans of the IDW comics are going to be eating well. Thanks to someone over at Australia's Amazon page making a mistake, we now have info of another IDW centered set to go with the Megatron/Senator Ratbat set. And that set is another two pack featuring Senator Shockwave and Orion Pax. In the IDW comics, Shockwave was once a senator with a normal head and two hands, but he was punished into having his hands and head removed and replaced, turning him into how we all know him. This figure would be of his days as a Senator and it is said that he turns into a jet. Orion Pax on the other hand turns into an all terrain cybertronian vehicle.

Transformers Toys Legacy Evolution Voyager Senator Shockwave & Deluxe Data Clerk Orion Pax Humble Origins 2-Pack, Action Figures for Boys and Girls Ages 8 and Up

HUMBLE ORIGINS 2-PACK: Experience the early origins of Shockwave and Optimus Prime with these two Transformers collectible action figures. This 2-Pack comes with Senator Shockwave and Data Clerk Orion Pax toys for 8 year old boys and girls
CELEBRATING PRE-CYBERTRONIAN WAR HISTORY: This 2-pack depicts Shockwave as a kind-hearted senator and Orion Pax as a data clerk working in the Cybertronian archives
2 EPIC MODES: Senator Shockwave Transformers action figure converts from robot to Cybertronian jet mode in 20 steps. Data Clerk Orion Pax Transformers figure converts from robot to Cybertronian all-terrain vehicle mode in 15 steps
AWESOME ACCESSORIES: These Transformers toys for 8 year old boys and girls come with Energon Axe and blaster accessories. Accessories attach to the figures in both modes
EXCLUSIVE PACKAGING ART: Packaging features a piece of exclusive artwork. Collect all pre-Cybertronian war packs to piece together the full scene (each sold separately, subject to availability)

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon May 15, 2023 11:55 pm

So, who wants to guess what molds this Shockwave and Orion will be made out of? And from how things have been, our options are any molds from Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom, Studio Series 86, and Legacy.

News Credits: 18 · by **blackeyedprime** » Tue May 16, 2023 12:35 am

Which one will feature the lines gimmick and which one won't... Evo link has to be one of the inconsistant pre/afterthoughts of a line so far.

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Tue May 16, 2023 12:47 am

Sabrblade wrote:So, who wants to guess what molds this Shockwave and Orion will be made out of? And from how things have been, our options are any molds from Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom, Studio Series 86, and Legacy.

Shockwave: I'm gonna go with a slightly-tweaked Metalhawk, since it's got a good amount of kibble already in the right places, it would be easy to retool/replace the chest, and the number of transformation steps is already close.
Orion: ...uhhh...it depends on which design, probably...and it's not like the inclusion of the axe can be used as a clue, since Megs got completely new accessories....I'm gonna say heavy retool of Siege Hound? Again, the number of transformation steps is already really close, and "Cybertronian jeep" is already basically a "Cybertronian ATV"....unless it's the IDW Orion design with the windshield chest, then I've got nothing.

by **noctorro** » Tue May 16, 2023 1:20 am

Easy skip, I don't like Ratbat's colors and have 0 with the character.
Same goes for Miner Megatron, I don't read comics, I'm a cartoon/movie guy.

I already have the Siege mold and the Earthrise version of him, I don't need another. It's a good/decent toy.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue May 16, 2023 2:12 am

Nemesis Primal wrote:You are either blessed with powers of prophecy...or you've looked at TFW and/or Amazon Australia sometime within the last hour and a half, and you've seen there's a listing that exists which uses the pictures and URL for the Tyranny set but has the name and description for:

Must be the former because this is the only TF fan site I visit. Just a very lucky guess is all.

I'm sticking with my guess of either Metal Hawk or a Siege Seeker retool. For Prime probably the Siege mold since I think it gives them more freedom to mess around with the truck mode. I can't see them going Deluxe, but maybe Hound could be used for Roller if there's a bottom half of the set featuring some Dekuxe figures.

Watch them do Impactor again. :lol:

Emerje.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue May 16, 2023 3:38 am

I'm looking forward the Shockwave / Orion reveal.
I'm less exited for this set than the Ratbat / M.Megs, but depending on how they look, it may change.

News Credits: 10 · by **sol magnus** » Tue May 16, 2023 4:51 am

Emerje wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:You are either blessed with powers of prophecy...or you've looked at TFW and/or Amazon Australia sometime within the last hour and a half, and you've seen there's a listing that exists which uses the pictures and URL for the Tyranny set but has the name and description for:

Must be the former because this is the only TF fan site I visit. Just a very lucky guess is all.

I'm sticking with my guess of either Metal Hawk or a Siege Seeker retool. For Prime probably the Siege mold since I think it gives them more freedom to mess around with the truck mode. I can't see them going Deluxe, but maybe Hound could be used for Roller if there's a bottom half of the set featuring some Dekuxe figures.

Watch them do Impactor again.

Emerje.

Hound would be a very short Roller.

As for Pax, he's not IDW at all. He's Dreamwave - he was never a data clerk in IDW v.1. As guess, I'll say Ironhide mold retooled.

For Shockwave, I can't see anything any better than Metalhawk...

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue May 16, 2023 5:08 am

Perceptor1996 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Perceptor1996 wrote:I know that, it still doesn't mean it isn't tied into it. We started getting every Beast Wars character leading into a Beast themed movie. Now were getting a bunch of prewar characters leading into a prewar movie.
We got Beast Wars toys in Kingdom (two years ago, btw) because 2021 was the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars (and because of backlash when Hasbro did nothing to celebrate the 20th anniversary back in 2016).

Toy development does not happen that quick and we know that they have been interesting in putting Beast Wars characters in the movies sense "The Last Knight" and "Rise of the Beast" was pushed back multiple times because both the pandemic and the need for more production time. The point of Kingdom was to bring the Beasts back into peoples memories and to be sure that Hasbro had all those name trademarks again. So it's a safe assumption that all these prewar two packs regardless of being based on G1, IDW or the Highmoon games are a form of brand synergy to get people in the mind set of prewar Transformers to build hype for "Transformers One".

Actually it takes Hasbro 2 years to go from concept to store shelves. So Kingdom was designed in 2019 when Siege was hotting shelves. Though talk was that the original plans for kingdom were changed to accommodate the inclusion of the Beasts meaning some toys had to shift lines...enter Studio Series 86 which became their new home.

Toys were seeing here were designed back in 2021, so it's probably safer to assume that any synergy is probably serendipity rather than intent.

Anyway...

I'm liking the looks of Senator Ratbat and Miner Megs. The Siege mold might be done to death but that rendition if the character would be worth it.

As for Shockwave and Orion, will be interesting to see what molds they use, and which colour scheme they'll pin on Shocky. Also, how many people do you think will complain if he’s not purple :lol:

News Credits: 148 · by **Big Grim** » Tue May 16, 2023 5:16 am

I adore that Ratbat / Megatron pack and will have to try and get it. Weird they're listing Pax as a Dataclerk as he was is DW but in IDW, he's an action hero street cop. Still, am dead curious what they'll do!

~ Grim

News Credits: 4529 · by **william-james88** » Tue May 16, 2023 7:27 am

Sabrblade wrote:So, who wants to guess what molds this Shockwave and Orion will be made out of? And from how things have been, our options are any molds from Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom, Studio Series 86, and Legacy.

Emerje wrote:I can't see them going Deluxe, but maybe Hound could be used for Roller if there's a bottom half of the set featuring some Dekuxe figures.

Prime is said to be deluxe in the listing, so maybe just Kup again. Though the mold that would suit the IDW version best I think would be the new armada cab figure.

Shockwave would be metalhawk, pretty sure.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue May 16, 2023 8:48 am

william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:So, who wants to guess what molds this Shockwave and Orion will be made out of? And from how things have been, our options are any molds from Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom, Studio Series 86, and Legacy.

Emerje wrote:I can't see them going Deluxe, but maybe Hound could be used for Roller if there's a bottom half of the set featuring some Dekuxe figures.

Prime is said to be deluxe in the listing, so maybe just Kup again. Though the mold that would suit the IDW version best I think would be the new armada cab figure.

Shockwave would be metalhawk, pretty sure.

Well that's dumb, it should be the same Prime that was friends with Shockwave who was basically G1 Prime with some Cybertronian kibble in bot mode. We just got TWO deluxe Orion Pax figures in the past few years, time for a proper Voyager IDW version. The DW version was his War Within body, which would be a nice figure to have, but I don't see them making one. Wouldn't surprise me if they just reused the Pulse Orion Pax mold (from SS86 Kup) and gave it a new head.

Hopefully the listing is wrong as a lot of previous Amazon leaks have been such as the Golden Disk listings.

Emerje

News Credits: 1 · by **Rtron** » Tue May 16, 2023 8:54 am

Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:So, who wants to guess what molds this Shockwave and Orion will be made out of? And from how things have been, our options are any molds from Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom, Studio Series 86, and Legacy.

Emerje wrote:I can't see them going Deluxe, but maybe Hound could be used for Roller if there's a bottom half of the set featuring some Dekuxe figures.

Prime is said to be deluxe in the listing, so maybe just Kup again. Though the mold that would suit the IDW version best I think would be the new armada cab figure.

Shockwave would be metalhawk, pretty sure.

Well that's dumb, it should be the same Prime that was friends with Shockwave who was basically G1 Prime with some Cybertronian kibble in bot mode. We just got TWO deluxe Orion Pax figures in the past few years, time for a proper Voyager IDW version. The DW version was his War Within body, which would be a nice figure to have, but I don't see them making one. Wouldn't surprise me if they just reused the Pulse Orion Pax mold (from SS86 Kup) and gave it a new head.
Hopefully the listing is wrong as a lot of previous Amazon leaks have been such as the Golden Disk listings.

Emerje

The War Within and IDW pre-war, Shockwave Senator era Orion Pax designs are pretty much identical. Maybe you're thinking about the design used for the Thrilling 30s toy, which is essentially a one-off design from his Spotlight issue.

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue May 16, 2023 9:12 am

sol magnus wrote:As for Pax, he's not IDW at all. He's Dreamwave - he was never a data clerk in IDW v.1.

Except, Optimus was never called "Orion Pax" in Dreamwave. There, his pre-Optimus name was "Optronix".

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue May 16, 2023 9:32 am

Well, they showed off Orion and Shockwave in the stream. Orion Pax is a Siege Hound retool and combines both of the IDW designs together. They did tease that a Voyager might be coming.

Shockwave is a retooled Siege Seeker (called it!). They said they'd fight for a color variant if people ask for it, possibly as a Selects.

Spacebridge teasers (all art of course): Core Snarl, Deluxe Bombshell, Strongarm, Detritus (shows the original box art, no mention of Evo-Fusion), Cyberverse Shadow Striker (image of her her patchwork body), Voyager Bludgeon, new Voyager Junkion Trashmaster (no image but is an "Evo-Fusion" like the other Junkions), and Leader Prime Universe Dreadwing

I wonder if Trashmaster is an Armada Overload retool since it has Evo-Fusion features?

Emerje

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Tue May 16, 2023 9:37 am

I'm a huge fan of Transformers comics in general, but I don't love the Dreamweave and IDW1 pre-war stuff. I thought I'd be able to hold off on these, especially since I'm going to be getting all the War Dawn packs, but I think I need to have both of these two-packs, too. Legacy mainline has been a little underwhelming since its influences are all over the brand and across so many lines, but these sets have an added narrative built in.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Tue May 16, 2023 10:28 am

Emerje wrote:Shockwave is a retooled Siege Seeker (called it!). They said they'd fight for a color variant if people ask for it, possibly as a Selects.

Purple and lavender?

I wonder if Trashmaster is an Armada Overload retool since it has Evo-Fusion features?

Would be be large enough as a voyager if he had the combining capability?

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Tue May 16, 2023 10:51 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Emerje wrote:Shockwave is a retooled Siege Seeker (called it!). They said they'd fight for a color variant if people ask for it, possibly as a Selects.
Purple and lavender?
I wonder if Trashmaster is an Armada Overload retool since it has Evo-Fusion features?
Would be be large enough as a voyager if he had the combining capability?

We've already seen leaked images of a new headless Voyager mold at an early production stage, so we know the Trashmaster base.

Oh, I misunderstood, you're saying maybe it's a pre-tool. I don't know the character or figure that well, but it doesn't seem like a natural fit to me.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue May 16, 2023 10:55 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Emerje wrote:Shockwave is a retooled Siege Seeker (called it!). They said they'd fight for a color variant if people ask for it, possibly as a Selects.
Purple and lavender?

This one.

I wonder if Trashmaster is an Armada Overload retool since it has Evo-Fusion features?
Would be be large enough as a voyager if he had the combining capability?

I think it can work simply because of the way his shoulder canon mode is done by sticking his legs on his arms giving them lots of extension. But I think they'd still have to up it to a Leader anyway just because there's really no excuse for them not including a "Core" Minicon Rollout to bring the price up anyway. Just noticed that Trashmaster and Overload's legs both separate just above the knee and they both have that same "Combiner Wars peg" looking shape at the end.

Probably means absolutely nothing since the shapes are otherwise different, just thought it was interesting.

Emerje

News Credits: 18 · by **blackeyedprime** » Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 am

Why guess?

News Credits: 48 · by **Nemesis Primal** » Tue May 16, 2023 11:22 am

Preorders for the 2-packs are up on Amazon and Pulse, BUT AMAZON SWITCHED THE PRICES, so Megs and Ratbat are cheaper on Amazon, and Orion and Shockwave are cheaper on Pulse.

With that out of the way: hey I guessed Orion right while Emerje got Shockwave, neat. I don't think that pack is for me, but I've preordered the Megs & Ratbat set.

Nice to have official confirmation of universes for Strongarm and Shadow Striker, Trashmaster is a solid name, and the fact that they showed a picture of explicitly IDW2 Bludgeon is again confirmation on that front. Also, Detritus is just a Hound repaint, which I didn't think needed confirming but apparently did?

Emerje wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Emerje wrote:Shockwave is a retooled Siege Seeker (called it!). They said they'd fight for a color variant if people ask for it, possibly as a Selects.
Purple and lavender?

This one.

I swear he had green instead of gold once too, so they've got options.

Emerje wrote:I wonder if Trashmaster is an Armada Overload retool since it has Evo-Fusion features?

Ehhh, nothing about them really looked similar based off the prototype we saw, Trashmaster's got a window chest and presumably turns into a garbage truck. I don't see it (as much as I would be down for an Overload).

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Tue May 16, 2023 11:36 am

The sets aren't coming up for me on Amazon...

News Credits: 5 · by **Overcracker** » Tue May 16, 2023 11:44 am

Humble Origins: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCLZ2GTG/
Rise of Tyranny: https://www.amazon.com/transformers-evo ... 0bdj6xk2s/

Humble Origins is priced at $69.99 for some reason. While Rise of Tyranny is going for $54.99.

With that said, out of everything shown on the stream, I think Brawn is the one I'm looking forward to the most.
SS RotB Prime also.