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Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:56 am

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william-james88 wrote:Pulse can only sell their 5% if Walgreens has their shipment as well.

How do you know this as a fact? Has this been stated somewhere before?

The fact that they didn't restock later means it all came at once, for all of US distribution. They came through the ports at the same time. He was sold in solid assortments and a crate would have only him, in the thousands. So yes, his primary shipment for Pulse and Walgreens was from the same shipment. Whatever happened was on Walgreen's end, that is 100% guarantee. It was not the shipping.

You have more confidence in US logistics than I do the past two years. Just because they all hit the port at the same time doesn't mean they all left at the same time, especially if they're going to different locations and via different forms of transportation. There's a lot of stories from retailers big and small about things sitting in containers for half a year before finally moving. I'm unsure if Hasbro takes in all 100% of exclusives to their warehouse and then splits them among their destinations or if they do it before it even ships to streamline the process. If it's the latter than there really is no telling who's getting what when.

What we have to wonder now though is if Walgreens didn't place him in stores because they had to rethink their distribution due to other products not coming in on time and thus the seasonal rearrangement of stores not being worth it and just relying on online retail.

That's the point we were making before. The seasonal reset took place and they had Hasbro exclusives in it, Scott's video is completely wrong. Red Alert was the odd figure out, that's why it doesn't make sense for them to have had him on time but never put him in stores, there has to have been a reason and not being in the warehouse in time to be distributed to stores is the only excuse that makes sense. It's not even like with Target's issue of some stores getting the exclusives and some didn't, no Walgreens got it at all.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:56 am

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Meanwhile, I'm continuing to enjoy Skids. They did such a nice job with him.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:31 am

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Skids looks like a Yugo.













I think I just dated myself.... :-(
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Overcracker » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:01 pm

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First-Aid wrote:Skids looks like a Yugo.













I think I just dated myself.... :-(


Technically it looks like a 1980's Honda City. Admittedly the Honda City is similar to the Yugo.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Bomburst Found at US Retail

Postby william-james88 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:24 pm

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sol magnus wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
sol magnus wrote:I got him like Friday in Target. LOL


What do you try to accomplish with posts like this?

Mostly I forgot to let you guys know? The other part is it's probably more widesoread than just a sighting.


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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:29 pm

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Emerje wrote:You have more confidence in US logistics than I do the past two years. Just because they all hit the port at the same time doesn't mean they all left at the same time, especially if they're going to different locations and via different forms of transportation. There's a lot of stories from retailers big and small about things sitting in containers for half a year before finally moving. I'm unsure if Hasbro takes in all 100% of exclusives to their warehouse and then splits them among their destinations or if they do it before it even ships to streamline the process. If it's the latter than there really is no telling who's getting what when.


This is a very fair point. Through JTPrime's statements through the past few years of port activity, I feel confident in saying that Hasbro and Walgreen's stock would have had to come in at the same time at port (the same toy will come in all at once and be divided up for different retailers after), but yes the step afterwards can totally be botched.

Also, I didn't know that Walgreens did have their reset with Red Alert being the odd man out.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby ZeldaTheSwordsman » Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:40 pm

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Overcracker wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Skids looks like a Yugo.


I think I just dated myself.... :-(


Technically it looks like a 1980's Honda City. Admittedly the Honda City is similar to the Yugo.
It's because they're both box-body subcompact hatchbacks. It's like how the Fiat 500 and VW beetle look similar because they're both round-body rear-engine subcompacts, only moreso because of the hatchbacks having such no-frills coachwork.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Overcracker » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:11 pm

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ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Skids looks like a Yugo.


I think I just dated myself.... :-(


Technically it looks like a 1980's Honda City. Admittedly the Honda City is similar to the Yugo.
It's because they're both box-body subcompact hatchbacks. It's like how the Fiat 500 and VW beetle look similar because they're both round-body rear-engine subcompacts, only moreso because of the hatchbacks having such no-frills coachwork.


Yes, but the point being, Skids original toy was a Honda City. So his current toy looks like that first and foremost.

It's just coincidental that it also looks like a Yugo because they are similar cars.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Bomburst Found at US Retail

Postby Cyber Bishop » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:13 pm

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sol magnus wrote:I got him like Friday in Target. LOL


What do you try to accomplish with posts like this?


He is trying to say he found it first so the news credit should go to him.
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Re: In Hand Images of Legacy EV Scraphook and Needlenose + Video Review

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:58 pm

william-james88 wrote:We have a video review of Scraphook now available.


Great to see Seibertron's support for such a tasseographic look to a future TF release. Your support keeps this all going!

However, I believe the video and screenshots came out some time ago. Screenshots were even posted (at this thread?) a while back, I believe?

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Re: Transformers Legacy Bomburst Found at US Retail

Postby sol magnus » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:21 pm

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sol magnus wrote:I got him like Friday in Target. LOL


What do you try to accomplish with posts like this?


He is trying to say he found it first so the news credit should go to him.

Not at all. They seem to have just vomitted all over the place in my area, so I didn't bother mentioning that I got it last week - that and the hectic nature of my job made me forget I had him until I saw the post. I do normally say something if I see something before I see it reported here.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:26 pm

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Overcracker wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
Overcracker wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Skids looks like a Yugo.


I think I just dated myself.... :-(


Technically it looks like a 1980's Honda City. Admittedly the Honda City is similar to the Yugo.
It's because they're both box-body subcompact hatchbacks. It's like how the Fiat 500 and VW beetle look similar because they're both round-body rear-engine subcompacts, only moreso because of the hatchbacks having such no-frills coachwork.


Yes, but the point being, Skids original toy was a Honda City. So his current toy looks like that first and foremost.

It's just coincidental that it also looks like a Yugo because they are similar cars.


Right down to the missing floor so you could use your feet to help push the car past 30 mph and up small hills....
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:24 pm

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First-Aid wrote:Right down to the missing floor so you could use your feet to help push the car past 30 mph and up small hills....


You laugh but those cars gives this here old man some genuine nostalgia rush.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby First-Aid » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:31 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Right down to the missing floor so you could use your feet to help push the car past 30 mph and up small hills....


You laugh but those cars gives this here old man some genuine nostalgia rush.


Those cars gave me a hernia....
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First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.


Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...


Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Bomburst Found at US Retail

Postby Cyber Bishop » Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:43 pm

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:18 pm

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby DeathReviews » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:04 am

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Scraphook looks really good, I am now really excited for him. I am excited for some Junkions. Made me have to get Wreck Gar, but I am excited for a Junkion faction


Dare we hope for a fully-original all-Junkion combiner? That would seem to jive with the Junkions' overall theme of being able to repair themselves, or rebuild themselves using any spare parts they have lying around. Junk robots that combine into a larger pile-of-junk robot just 'fits' somehow.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:09 am

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DeathReviews wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Scraphook looks really good, I am now really excited for him. I am excited for some Junkions. Made me have to get Wreck Gar, but I am excited for a Junkion faction


Dare we hope for a fully-original all-Junkion combiner? That would seem to jive with the Junkions' overall theme of being able to repair themselves, or rebuild themselves using any spare parts they have lying around. Junk robots that combine into a larger pile-of-junk robot just 'fits' somehow.


You'll be able to fashion one with some creativity.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby DeathReviews » Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:27 am

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Scraphook looks really good, I am now really excited for him. I am excited for some Junkions. Made me have to get Wreck Gar, but I am excited for a Junkion faction


Dare we hope for a fully-original all-Junkion combiner? That would seem to jive with the Junkions' overall theme of being able to repair themselves, or rebuild themselves using any spare parts they have lying around. Junk robots that combine into a larger pile-of-junk robot just 'fits' somehow.


You'll be able to fashion one with some creativity.


The gestalts made by cobbling together several Weaponizer figures is in fact possible. But I've found them dissatisfying for a few reasons. They don't have a properly sized 'core' that makes a proportional chest/body once other components are plugged in. The legs formed by plugging the components together are rarely strong or stable enough to support much weight, so posing is difficult/impossible. And none of the components turn into properly sized 'feet', which also makes posing/standing a weaponizer/combiner difficult/frustrating.

The fossilizer combiners mitigated that issue simply because the bone components are so light that the weight of a gestalt was less severe, but the issue still exists. If they could address that by having a larger Junkion as a combiner core, and make sure the leg/feet components are more robust and stable, then everything else should be fine.
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Hasbro Answers Some Burning Questions from Fans: AOE Dinobots, DJD, Packaging Changes, and More

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:29 pm

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The Seibertron site assisted a round table discussion today with Evan Brooks, Marc Maher, Delaney Norris and Ben MacCrae from Hasbro, answering questions related to the recent Legacy reveals. There would be no answers to any questions related to the Rise of the Beasts line (so I would not expect reveals of that any time soon).

Q: When will Shadowstrip and Crasher be formally announced?
A: It’s up to Walmart. Hasbro thought they would be revealed and made available by Walmart at the same time as Galaxy Shuttle but it doesn’t seem to be the case. They are waiting to hear back from Walmart.

Q (my question): Legacy/Studio Series toys are made with which primary audience/market in mind? And which demographic buys the majority of toys from those lines?
A: While the targets are “fans”, that is an internal name for the 8-12 year old market. These would be kids who are fans of Transformers toys since they grew up with the simpler ones in other lines and are ready for a more challenging conversion. While there are characters older fans are more likely to recognize, they are all still designed more with children in mind and the freedom with Legacy lets them bring other characters. Also, that demographic (8-12 year olds) is who these toys are bought for most.
Vehicle form factor is key, and kids gravitate towards the idea of a robot to vehicle conversion so there is no need to have a character that young kids know. The goal is giving 8 year olds the STEM feature of play with legacy and Studio Series. Nothing has changed since John Warden said that toys are designed with kids in mind. They are trying to make toys for kids that older fans also like. They are currently undergoing market research to see the percentage of sales from different demographics.

Q: Will there be more new characters like Scraphook?
A: Scraphook as a new character was easy since he is part of the Junkions who already have a theme/play pattern in the lore. Hasbro is constantly looking for ways to integrate new characters. Junkions are an easy place to mine for new characters and there will be more to come in the new year. Every time we have a chance to do something new, we try it though with Studio Series, that line is linked to pre-existing characters.

Q: Has the plastic type changed?
A: The main plastic types used for toys have not changed since the 80s, and the plastic used now is the same used in the previous Transformers lines (like WFC trilogy, ect)
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Q: Tarn is great, what took so long and how do we get the rest of the team?
A: Tarn is an amazing character, from a fantastic storyline. The Hasbro team are big fans of that. They had to bring him to life after seeing Tarn show up in so many other places. It was obviously the time for Tarn, but the rest of the DJD are a design challenge (not Nickel though, could be a core release). They are looking into it, and finishing off “mini collections” is still something Hasbro wishes to do. They try to have more synergy between comics and toys, hence why Knockout in the comics looks like the Legacy toy. His design (and others) were given to IDW from Hasbro. Legacy finally gave an outlet for freedom of having characters from anywhere, that’s why characters from IDW specifically are being integrated into the line. Just don’t expect the same alt modes.
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Q: Can you acknowledge the existence of the Legacy Minerva toy?
A: Yes, they can personally acknowledge that it exists. They have not heard from Walgreens as to their plan for releasing it yet. The official date of release would have been October 1st. Hasbro will do their best to continue releasing the Japanese characters, like Galaxy Shuttle and Victory Sabr. Mark apologises for Minerva not being a headmaster, but he wanted to release it in the line. Also, Minerva was chosen as a Walgreens exclusive due to the medical theme.

Q: Core class combining Dinobots, what challenges were there?
A: Lots of Challenges, Sludge is taking the biggest hit with the thunderous thighs needed for combiner mode. Not sure if they could do it at first, but it felt like it could be possible, so they didn’t wish to say “no”. They made it happen at Core class. They added a sixth Dinobot for the proportions to work without it having a deluxe torso.
Bringing them to core class was so that you could have the whole team on the shelf at the same year, harkening back to the G1 era. These toys are perfect for kids. Core class is meant to be well known characters that sell, at a lower price points.
***The Dinobots were not the first intent from the designer (ie. Monstructor/Dinokinginstead), but they were used for an easy sell to marketing.***

Q: Can you give more info on Override being a new mold in a line of redecos?
A: When Takara gets to design a character they have a lot of love for, you can sit back and see the wonder. (Lots of mold mathematics discussion which personally stumped your dear news editor.) Stuff like the Cyberkey hole for Override are design easter eggs made for fans who remember the older toy even though it is still made to sell to kids.

Q: Are there more female characters coming to Legacy and Studio Series?
A: Of course! So many awesome female bots, we will never say no. The female audience for transformers is immense, far bigger than most fans may think.

Q: Can we ever expect proper Pretenders?
A: Classic style pretenders shells are very hard to do (and sell to corporate) since the shells themselves become a mold of their own. Core class Bombusrt can fit into his G1 pretender shell but that is a happy coincidence.
*** Evan then proceeded to more heavily hint to the alternate use of those core class Dinobot molds (ie. Monstructor/Dinoking though nothing officially is said and we do not know how or when they will ever be made and available).***

Q: What criteria goes into choosing a Gobots character in a Transformers line?
A: The goal is to sell to kids so alt mode and colour come into play with the choice. It’s a group conversation to decide if it’s the right move or not. Gobots is still a tricky licence since another company owns what was originally GoBots. So it’s a very muddy situation. Always thinking 3 years ahead, it can take that long to get a toy associated to a toy from another “mini collection”.

Q: Any answers about the woes with Cosmos’ distribution?
A: No news on if we’ll see more cosmos at retail, everything is up to Walmart in terms of case allocation, nothing can be forced from Hasbro. The team was unaware of the solid cases in the UK since the marketing team was trying to get a solid box for the designers to have their own but was told that wasn’t a thing.

Q: Do all molds have second heads just sitting there for the future?
A: Been going on for a long time. It’s weird when there isn’t an alt head in a mold.
***The alt head for Titans Return Seaspray was a merman head from the G1 episode. Ben is a HUGE fan of Seaspray and would want another release before he retires.***

Q: Transformers boxes, can they go full closed box like other Hasbro lines?
A: Unlike Marvel and Star Wars, the Transformers brand skews younger, so seeing the robot inside does bring in more sales than a closed box with the image of the character. Transformers is not as character focused line like Marvel, it isn’t the character itself that sells the toys, it’s how the bot looks. There have been studies done and open windows are best for their target audience of 8 year olds seeing the robots on shelves. The leader class toys are higher priced and thus not likely an impulse purchase by parents, so they can look more like a toy aimed at collectors. Looking into all different boxing options, but right now open box for lower priced toys is the best for Transformers brand.

Q: Will there be more Japanese Beast Wars Characters aside from Leo Prime?
A: Leo Prime was an easy sell to corporate since he is a leader called Prime and a lion, both attributes familiar and appealing to kids. They keep testing the market and audience. The term Convoy is a trademarked name in Japan, so that name cannot be used on packaging by Hasbro.

Q: Is that Lockdown looking car in the poster a hint that we are getting Lockdown?
A: There is no comment on it being Lockdown or not but Hasbro is aware of the thirst for the Transformers animated universe (note from Editor: the toy on the poster is not Lockdown, it’s a deluxe Junkion toy like Scraphook)


And now, dear readers, here is an example of how to ask the same type of “are we getting this” type of question, but to get a better answer. One question was “is Slipstream coming any time soon”, and the answer from Hasbro was “Anything is possible”, obviously. BUT I found another way around that:
Q: Have there been any obstacles to getting the rest of the Age of Extinction Dinobots, since we got none after Grimlock.
A: There may have been at the time if the same characters were available in the Platinum line (not a certainty, memory is foggy on that), but as of right now there is no obstacle, no reason for them not to eventually show up, nothing stopping Hasbro from making them. However, G1 Grimlock appearing in the SS line did put the possible release of Bayverse Dinobots on hold.

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby SpaceEagle » Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:42 pm

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Ah, very interesting answers, though it kinda also felt like no-brainer answers. Still very nice to get some form of closure especially in regards to stuff like Minerva and that mystery Junkion.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby william-james88 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:56 pm

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SpaceEagle wrote:Ah, very interesting answers, though it kinda also felt like no-brainer answers. Still very nice to get some form of closure especially in regards to stuff like Minerva and that mystery Junkion.


Some are no brainer, and yet whenever I tell fans that they are not the major buyers of Legacy and SS they look at me like I'm high. My personal question was just to have it on paper again if anyone tells me these toys arent made for kids.

And to be fair, they won't reveal anything new in these talks, just further explain stuff so it usually ends up being no brainers, but they need to be said regardless. I did like that discussion on boxes though.
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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby SpaceEagle » Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:01 pm

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SpaceEagle wrote:Ah, very interesting answers, though it kinda also felt like no-brainer answers. Still very nice to get some form of closure especially in regards to stuff like Minerva and that mystery Junkion.


Some are no brainer, and yet whenever I tell fans that they are not the major buyers of Legacy and SS they look at me like I'm high. My personal question was just to have it on paper again if anyone tells me these toys arent made for kids.

I still cannot forget being told it's been "debated" by adults for a long time, that was the hardest I've ever laughed. I don't even understand why it's something to be upset about anyway, people ask me "Why are you buying kid's toys?" and I tell them "Because I like them." Simple as. They're cool robots and I like having physical representations of 'em. :lol:
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Re: Hasbro Answers Some Burning Questions from Fans: AOE Dinobots, DJD, Packaging Changes, and More

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william-james88 wrote:Q: Transformers boxes, can they go full closed box like other Hasbro lines?
A: Unlike Marvel and Star Wars, the Transformers brand skews younger, so seeing the robot inside does bring in more sales than a closed box with the image of the character.

This was the biggest takeaway for me and I wonder if it's even true. They said themselves that Transformers are aimed at an 8-12 demo and the packaging says 8 and up right on them, but Star Wars Black and Marvel Legends figures are 4+. We know Transformers only say 8+ because that's the target demo they decided on, previous Transformers lines had younger age ratings despite nothing changing in the quality and safety. I'm having trouble finding the truth in their statement, not that I mind them having the open boxes (though a plastic window would be preferred). Maybe this is just the line they used to convince corporate to let them keep the window even if it isn't true?

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Re: Transformers Legacy Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:59 pm

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It's been mentioned elsewhere that the whole thing with the name "Convoy" being unavailable for Hasbro to use as a trademark due to it having been trademarked in Japan is that, apparently, some company in Japan seems to have recently trademarked the name so that now even Takara themselves can't use it.

Takara hasn't released a Transformers toy with "Convoy" in its name since MP-49 Black Convoy back in July 2020, so if this is the case, then that would explain why they named the MP Lio Convoy black redeco "Dark Amber Leo Prime" instead of some name containing "Lio Convoy".

Likewise, other recent Japanese-only toys of G1 Optimus have been named "Optimus Prime" by Takara instead of "Convoy", like the recent Canon camera figure.
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