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News Credits: 1 · by **Alpha Dominus** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:27 am

I like that sci-fi background in the comparison shots.

by **Rated X** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:30 am

What a downgrade from MP Thundercracker which already exists.

News Credits: 3 · by **Kibble** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:57 am

Odd choice of comparison figures...it's like photographing a Chevy Malibu with luxury European sports cars. The one is just out of place with the others...

by **Rated X** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:55 am

Also I have to add that looking at these particular pics makes me believe the MP line did nothing to improve the scale debates argued about the classics line. Its just another mismatched hybrid between cartoon and vintage toy scale combined with real world alt mode scale that doesnt look so good side by side. The only difference is now the mismatched scales take up more space on your shelf.

News Credits: 21 · by **dragons** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:11 am

Rated X wrote:Also I have to add that looking at these particular pics makes me believe the MP line did nothing to improve the scale debates argued about the classics line. Its just another mismatched hybrid between cartoon and vintage toy scale combined with real world alt mode scale that doesnt look so good side by side. The only difference is now the mismatched scales take up more space on your shelf.

Transformers will always be out of scale g1 ultra Magnus side by side comaprison next to metroplex and bruticus, my Theroy on mp figures there not made to be in scale with transformers series maybe in scale with other mp figures but mp figures are more to adult oriented with higher price rage higher complex transformation more detail, while everything leader class and below is aimed at kids oriented which scale does not matter to kids transformers will never be in scale if that where true they cost more to make buy for fans Tamara gave fans mp series high in detail, price, transformation, but for average collector who plays don't care about scale that is what non mp series is for kids

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:45 am

I'm excited for Thundercracker. The coneheads could definitely use some more love, though.

Rated X wrote:Also I have to add that looking at these particular pics makes me believe the MP line did nothing to improve the scale debates argued about the classics line. Its just another mismatched hybrid between cartoon and vintage toy scale combined with real world alt mode scale that doesnt look so good side by side. The only difference is now the mismatched scales take up more space on your shelf.

Right. Because MP Starscream being a few heads taller than MP Prowl or MP Sideswipe is totally not an improvement over Classics Starscream being a couple heads shorter than Universe Prowl or Universe Sideswipe.

News Credits: 4 · by **King Kuuga** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:09 am

fenrir72 wrote:
That Bot wrote:How many times has White Optimus Prime with Armor as Magnus appeared in any G1 fiction? The only instance I know of is briefly in Dreamwave. Apparently in the Classics comics he's a white Prime with no armor, but that's a different issue altogether.

But still, he did exist in toyform. Not no hung up over it btw. Just an inference on why chuck waxed nostalgic. Me? Already have the MP version. Btw, also planning to get this sucker........only the Tomy version that is.

I understand wanting to emulate what the old toy did, and I think it would have been cool if the Masterpiece did this, but at the same time, they're going mostly off the cartoon, where Magnus transformed directly from truck to patriotic robot and there was never any indication of a smaller robot in armor. Most fiction has adopted this view, including the IDW comics which Leader Magnus is most heavily based on. Also, I think from an engineering standpoint, it's easier to design something that transforms fluidly from one mode to another without having to worry about separating and combining into armor and stuff, which is important for selling to kids.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:27 am

This Thundercracker looks amazing.

On a different note, isn't the Leader class Megatron supposed to come with a sticker sheet? Mine came with a painted Decepticon symbol.

News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:39 am

Kibble wrote:Odd choice of comparison figures...it's like photographing a Chevy Malibu with luxury European sports cars. The one is just out of place with the others...

My cars was Malibu...lasted me 15 years and put a lot of miles on it. and I'd rather take that than an overpriced euro car any day. So in other words, it was worth it to me.

There is an analogy in there somewhere.

by **Peridot** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:42 am

My list of reasons to buy the MP Seekers grows ever smaller. 3x cheaper and IDW inspired? Bring it on, Hasbro. I just hope they at least make the original 3 Seekers...

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:18 am

Maxine Prime wrote:My list of reasons to buy the MP Seekers grows ever smaller. 3x cheaper and IDW inspired? Bring it on, Hasbro. I just hope they at least make the original 3 Seekers...

They'll make Starscream for sure, at the very least. The comics keep teasing that Starscream is in store for yet another body swap.

News Credits: 2 · by **munkimus prime** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:28 am

Thundercracker keeps looking better, Maybe we could get a Ramjet, Dirge or Thrust out of this mould or even all three but that’s being way to optimistic.

News Credits: 1 · by **durroth** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:59 am

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:This Thundercracker looks amazing.

On a different note, isn't the Leader class Megatron supposed to come with a sticker sheet? Mine came with a painted Decepticon symbol.

I believe it's in with the collectors card.

News Credits: 2 · by **BERSEKAEL** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:01 pm

why those looooong legs and short body?

News Credits: 1 · by **YRQRM0** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:06 pm

He looks really nice with the MP seekers! I've always preferred my seekers to be different physically when displayed on the shelf, repaints get kinda boring (blasphemy, I know).

Like LegendaryAntiHero on Facebook · by **LegendaryAntiHero** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:10 pm

Maxine Prime wrote:My list of reasons to buy the MP Seekers grows ever smaller. 3x cheaper and IDW inspired? Bring it on, Hasbro. I just hope they at least make the original 3 Seekers...

This. I also prefer IDW Ultra Magnus to Masterpiece Ultra Magnus

News Credits: 3 · by **Kibble** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:43 pm

Optimizzy wrote:My cars was Malibu...lasted me 15 years and put a lot of miles on it. and I'd rather take that than an overpriced euro car any day. So in other words, it was worth it to me.

There is an analogy in there somewhere.

You're also factoring in the cost of a $20k vs a $250k car...if someone was offering you one for free or the same price, you'd take the overpriced Euro car any day. In the case of these, the price difference isn't all that great. These leader figs are running like $50 now. MPs can be bought from $45 - $120 these days.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:47 pm

Kibble wrote:
Optimizzy wrote:My cars was Malibu...lasted me 15 years and put a lot of miles on it. and I'd rather take that than an overpriced euro car any day. So in other words, it was worth it to me.

There is an analogy in there somewhere.

You're also factoring in the cost of a $20k vs a $250k car...if someone was offering you one for free or the same price, you'd take the overpriced Euro car any day. In the case of these, the price difference isn't all that great. These leader figs are running like $50 now. MPs can be bought from $45 - $120 these days.

It's rather from 45$ to 200$. That's what MP Ultra Magnus, MP-Asia skywarp, MP Platinum Soundwave and Star Saber cost. And that's without counting shipping.

News Credits: 3 · by **Optimizzy** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:42 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Kibble wrote:
Optimizzy wrote:My cars was Malibu...lasted me 15 years and put a lot of miles on it. and I'd rather take that than an overpriced euro car any day. So in other words, it was worth it to me.

There is an analogy in there somewhere.

You're also factoring in the cost of a $20k vs a $250k car...if someone was offering you one for free or the same price, you'd take the overpriced Euro car any day. In the case of these, the price difference isn't all that great. These leader figs are running like $50 now. MPs can be bought from $45 - $120 these days.

It's rather from 45$ to 200$. That's what MP Ultra Magnus, MP-Asia skywarp, MP Platinum Soundwave and Star Saber cost. And that's without counting shipping.

Also I paid $3k for my car. And yeah, MPs are ridiculous. I got the first MP 01 for $70 and I thought that was high back then. $180? No thanks. It's just not worth it to some of us. To those that it is worth it, that's fine. But some of us are after the toys. Not the expensive collectables.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:34 pm

megatronus wrote:I'm excited for Thundercracker. The coneheads could definitely use some more love, though.

Rated X wrote:Also I have to add that looking at these particular pics makes me believe the MP line did nothing to improve the scale debates argued about the classics line. Its just another mismatched hybrid between cartoon and vintage toy scale combined with real world alt mode scale that doesnt look so good side by side. The only difference is now the mismatched scales take up more space on your shelf.

Right. Because MP Starscream being a few heads taller than MP Prowl or MP Sideswipe is totally not an improvement over Classics Starscream being a couple heads shorter than Universe Prowl or Universe Sideswipe.

Some have their hung ups with sitting or leg spreading........so others have scale to bloviate against ..........

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:37 pm

He is here.

Yet I find myself a little disappointed. In hand, the arm cannon just doesn't cut it. Feels like a horrendous fail. It's really eating at me.

Other than that, this figure is great. The overall body design is faithful to the comic tank Meg's, and the head sculpt is so spot on, it damn near makes up for the puny cannon.

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:42 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:{snip}
Yet I find myself a little disappointed. In hand, the arm cannon just doesn't cut it. Feels like a horrendous fail. It's really eating at me.

Other than that, this figure is great. The overall body design is faithful to the comic tank Meg's, and the head sculpt is so spot on, it damn near makes up for the puny cannon.

I am with you here! I just opened mine, and while the head is near perfect, the body is not bad, and the alt mode is awesome, that arm cannon is all kinds of bad. Even turning it around does nothing for me. I'm thinking of coming up with a mod somehow where I can remove the inner barrel, at least while in bot mode...

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:56 pm

I can bet a dollar that a 3rd party company will come up with a canon upgrade kit for Gen Leader Megs.

In the neantime, I hope I can buy the freggin' thing locally at the norml price instead of either having to overpai for it, or being stuck to buy Armada Megs as an extra in a 2 pack.

News Credits: 4 · by **padfoo** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:17 pm

So true!

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:This Thundercracker looks amazing.

On a different note, isn't the Leader class Megatron supposed to come with a sticker sheet? Mine came with a painted Decepticon symbol.