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[Kurona]

It kinda depends for me. Like, yeah I might need fiction to explain why something is significant different from what it originally was; but not always. For instance, the aforementioned SWAT Onslaught. That's awesome. I don't need anyone to tell me to buy it and I don't care that it can't combine, it's friggin awesome.
This Liokaiser having a Sky lynx repaint as Deathsaurus for it's torso rather than Leozack + Jallguar or at least just Leozack? ... not particularly awesome.

Still, you can't deny the creativity. Also, the goal of CW was to make base molds that could be repainted and remolded into multiple characters. So, just having CW Skylinx, a brand new mold that is mostly unremoldable, unrepaintable, was a little miracle. So, they were bound to repaint him at some point. Even though it does appear as a weird choice to the fans, Liokaiser is NOT a widly known character. Hell, even I didnt know who he was and where he came from. So having it as some exclusive repaint is in itself a great move. This will put this character on the map and with enough demand, maybe a proper update will come. In the meantime, consider it as an updated version of the character in a brand new universe.

It doesn't really feel creative. I get the same vibes from it as I do Hasbro's Computron having Superion's head and chest...

[-Kanrabat-]

It doesn't really feel creative. I get the same vibes from it as I do Hasbro's Computron having Superion's head and chest...

Time and budjet. A repaint is still just a repaint. At least consider yourself lucky that they did bother giving a new head to Liokaiser.

[RiddlerJ]

Too bad we couldn't micron repaints of all the Breastforce/Destron partners. I think the only animal they don't have a mold for is a lion (which wouldn't be an issue for the new Liokaiser anyway)

[Noideaforaname]

I'm going to consider it NEMESIS SKY LYNX... with LioKaiser's limbs for some reason. And maybe see if I can get him for a decent price after the inevitable Takara/3rd Party fix.

It's weird, though, they went out of their way to dedicate an entire mold to Sky Lynx instead of a generic space ship bot, and the limbs all get new heads, and these are all really obscure characters nobody expected to get any attention. Then they repaint Sky Lynx as a quadruple obscure character homage, partially just to get more use of said mold. It's simultaneously doing too much and doing not enough.



Kinda almost wish the set was instead that Giant Purple Griffin and some random Decepticons. Like Grand Galvatron level wackiness.

[william-james88]

Looking at these pics from Logan, I realize that while Takara's Swindle has more intricate paint apps for detail, I really like the bold colours on hasbro. I dont like seeing that dull grey on Takara's combiner peg and it in no way blends to give the illusion of a car front. Hasbro has this nice full colour use all around that I find fun. I love that purple. But both are really nice, its a good example of companies doing things differently rather than one giving us more than the other.

[-Kanrabat-]

Kinda almost wish the set was instead that Giant Purple Griffin and some random Decepticons. Like Grand Galvatron level wackiness.

Oh lol, that would hyave been AWESOME!



If I even find another CW Skylinx for cheap............................

[Kurona]

Looking at these pics from Logan, I realize that while Takara's Swindle has more intricate paint apps for detail, I really like the bold colours on hasbro. I dont like seeing that dull grey on Takara's combiner peg and it in no way blends to give the illusion of a car front. Hasbro has this nice full colour use all around that I find fun. I love that purple. But both are really nice, its a good example of companies doing things differently rather than one giving us more than the other.

I unfortunately have the same dilemma here as I have with Scrapper.
One version is obviously better in every other way... except said version has a grey head, while the other version has a more silver head that looks a lot better and I want it on the better figure.

[william-james88]

I unfortunately have the same dilemma here as I have with Scrapper.
One version is obviously better in every other way... except said version has a grey head, while the other version has a more silver head that looks a lot better and I want it on the better figure.

I am not sure I follow, but which is which to you?

[Kurona]

I unfortunately have the same dilemma here as I have with Scrapper.
One version is obviously better in every other way... except said version has a grey head, while the other version has a more silver head that looks a lot better and I want it on the better figure.

I am not sure I follow, but which is which to you?

Hasbro Swindle is better, but Takara has the nicer, silver head.
Takara Scrapper is better, but Hasbro has the nicer, silver head.

Just my opinion ofc, though I don't think many would argue Hasbro Scrapper > Takara Scrapper. Dem elbows

[RiddlerJ]

Kinda almost wish the set was instead that Giant Purple Griffin and some random Decepticons. Like Grand Galvatron level wackiness.

Oh lol, that would hyave been AWESOME!



If I even find another CW Skylinx for cheap............................

I remember someone suggesting Hatchet as well.

Found these online

[Starsaber468]

Kinda almost wish the set was instead that Giant Purple Griffin and some random Decepticons. Like Grand Galvatron level wackiness.

Oh lol, that would hyave been AWESOME!



If I even find another CW Skylinx for cheap............................

I remember someone suggesting Hatchet as well.

Found these online

hatchet.jpg

purple griffon.jpg

Whats with sky lynx in silverbolt colors? Oh wait its the unneeded hatchet repaint also giant puple griffin needs an new head for his awesomeness XD

[-Kanrabat-]

Kinda almost wish the set was instead that Giant Purple Griffin and some random Decepticons. Like Grand Galvatron level wackiness.

Oh lol, that would hyave been AWESOME!



If I even find another CW Skylinx for cheap............................

I remember someone suggesting Hatchet as well.

Found these online

hatchet.jpg

purple griffon.jpg

Whats with sky lynx in silverbolt colors? Oh wait its the unneeded hatchet repaint also giant puple griffin needs an new head for his awesomeness XD

I would need to find another Skylinx at 15$CAN, and I'd take out my TF Prime PR Darksteel from storage and I'd fuse them together. I'm pretty sure it would wield some interesting results. I bet I can even manage to give it a proper robot mode. No, really!



This mad scientist have it blood boiling! I'd just need to get lucky.

[william-james88]

If I find skyltnx for that price do you want me to get him for you?

[Evil Eye]

I've softened towards this set somewhat. Whilst there's no way I'd have him as Liokaiser (quite aside from anything else, Liokaiser is meant to tower over even other combiners- he'd have made more sense as a Titan than Devastator to be honest) I'd happily give them new, less goofy (and less obviously "We're the Breastforce guys! Honest!)" heads, some new weapons and new names/identities.

Killbison I've got two ideas for- either make him into an artillery tank and call him Earthshaker or give him a bit of a paint makeover (and some new turret bits) and make him into Demolisher.

Drillhorn will get a new head and be renamed Undermine. Pretty simple.

Hellbat may become Dirge with some extra jet bits. I plan to some day pick up Grand Galvatron (some day anyway) and have Thrust as, well, Thrust.

Guyhawk/Gaihawk (Seriously Hasbro. You do away with Hellbat and KILLBISON, but you leave Guyhawk with a name that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?) is...very pink. That said I think he'd make a fine Rainmaker. Guyhawk mold, I dub thee Toxin Storm (which is considerably better than Gaviscon Storm, which is probably more fitting) and assign thee to the Rainmaker Battalion. Primus-speed, Toxin Storm!

As for Deathsaurus/Deszaras/Death Czarus/Deaths-R-Us...hmm. He ain't Deszaras for sure, but he is cool (I actually like him better than Sky Lynx). I like the idea of him as a kind of "warbeast"- fully sentient and capable of speech and all that, but definitely more beast than conventional Transformer. I shall call him...fluffy Ravenus, which I swear has been used before but sounds awesome and is fitting for a massive bird-dragon Decepticon.

As for the weapon mini-con...meh. Extra weapons are always fun.

So yeah. Assuming I can get the set for cheap I might buy it as a source of Decepticon troops. As Liokaiser though? Unless Takara does something of Ginrai proportions, if I feel the need for a Liokaiser I'm buying TFC's.

[-Kanrabat-]

If I find skyltnx for that price do you want me to get him for you?

Oh yeah, please do!

Odds are against finding RID Starscream anyway.

I already have some plans in my head about how to do that custom.

[Sabrblade]

Guyhawk/Gaihawk (Seriously Hasbro. You do away with Hellbat and KILLBISON, but you leave Guyhawk with a name that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?)

The DVD subtitles for Victory that called him "Gaihawk" were based on the scripts of TV-Nihon's old fansubs from years ago, which used unofficial spellings for certain characters whose official name spellings weren't fully made clear at the time. "Gaihawk" was a longstanding fan spelling widely used before the official "Guyhawk" spelling came to finally be accepted as not erroneous. It comes from the original 1989 Japanese toy's packaging:

[Evil Eye]

Guyhawk/Gaihawk (Seriously Hasbro. You do away with Hellbat and KILLBISON, but you leave Guyhawk with a name that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?)

The DVD subtitles for Victory that called him "Gaihawk" were based on the scripts of TV-Nihon's old fansubs from years ago, which used unofficial spellings for certain characters whose official name spellings weren't fully made clear at the time. "Gaihawk" was a longstanding fan spelling widely used before the official "Guyhawk" spelling came to finally be accepted as not erroneous. It comes from the original 1989 Japanese toy's packaging:

Oh yes, I'm aware that Guyhawk is the proper spelling (though I wonder if faulty romanization/engrish/Minelba Syndrome is in effect here). It still doesn't make any sense at all. Like, he might as well be called Dudebuzzard or Blokevulture. Gaihawk might at least be a quasi-Japanese name (is Gai a word?). Guyhawk though...am I missing some really obvious pun? It doesn't sound good in spite of being gibberish (like Leozack, Deszaras or Esmeral) and it isn't clumsy but sensible and awesome (like KILLBISON).

I dunno. Jallguar and Guyhawk are the errant "crap names" in the Breastforce. Leozack doesn't make a great deal of sense but sounds cool. Hellbat is a cool name (though hardly fitting given his character). Drillhorn is kinda generic, but it works. Deathcobra and Killbison are easily the coolest goddamn TF names ever (next to Sinnertwin, Slayride and RUINATION of course).

Jallguar is a moot point given he's off the team, but I think if Hasbro were willing to rename poor Hellbat and Killbison, they could at least have given Guyhawk a better name. Rayhawk? Laserhawk (for a cheeky music reference)? Dreadhawk?

[Sabrblade]

but I think if Hasbro were willing to rename poor Hellbat and Killbison, they could at least have given Guyhawk a better name.

The only reason those two (and Deathsaurus) got renamed is because there was no way in Hellbat that they were gonna market children's toys with names that contained the words "Hell", "Kill" and "Death" in them.

When's the last time we got a Hasbro retail TF toy whose name contained a blatant reference to death and/or murder? And I mean cold harsh references, not child-friendly replacement ones like "destroy", "blast", etc.

[Evil Eye]

but I think if Hasbro were willing to rename poor Hellbat and Killbison, they could at least have given Guyhawk a better name.

The only reason those two (and Deathsaurus) got renamed is because there was no way in Hellbat that they were gonna market children's toys with names that contained the words "Hell", "Kill" and "Death" in them.

When's the last time we got a Hasbro retail TF toy whose name contained a blatant reference to death and/or murder?

Skullsmasher? I mean sure it's a bit tamer than "Skullcruncher" but it's still implying the crumpling of craniums.

Also, they seem to be comfortable with releasing a toy named Liokaiser, which is potentially far more risky than releasing a toy with the word "hell" or "kill" in its name (yes I am aware that the rank of Kaiser was pretty much phased out long before the rise of national socialism in Germany, but it still carries connotations that a lot of people get really touchy about).

But anyway, this is somewhat distracting from my main point, which is that Guyhawk is a really weird and kinda crappy name.

[Kurona]

At the end of the day guys it's just a name that will literally never be used outside this boxset

[Sabrblade]

but I think if Hasbro were willing to rename poor Hellbat and Killbison, they could at least have given Guyhawk a better name.

The only reason those two (and Deathsaurus) got renamed is because there was no way in Hellbat that they were gonna market children's toys with names that contained the words "Hell", "Kill" and "Death" in them.

When's the last time we got a Hasbro retail TF toy whose name contained a blatant reference to death and/or murder?

Skullsmasher? I mean sure it's a bit tamer than "Skullcruncher" but it's still implying the crumpling of craniums.

By your own admission, that's a watered down less-harsh-sounding name. Had it stayed "Skullcruncher" you'd have had something there.

Also, they seem to be comfortable with releasing a toy named Liokaiser, which is potentially far more risky than releasing a toy with the word "hell" or "kill" in its name (yes I am aware that the rank of Kaiser was pretty much phased out long before the rise of national socialism in Germany, but it still carries connotations that a lot of people get really touchy about).

Bandai of America was releasing Digimon toys at mass retail with the word "Kaiser" in their names way back in 2004. Pretty sure the "'Kaiser" is a questionable term for the name of a children's toy in the U.S." ship has long since set sail by this point.

But anyway, this is somewhat distracting from my main point, which is that Guyhawk is a really weird and kinda crappy name.

Frankly, if they had gone with "Gaihawk", then a ton of Japanese-ignorant English-speakers would likely be mispronouncing his name and snickering at him being called "Gayhawk". With the official spelling, there's at least no confusion or unintentional homosexual overtones.

[Evil Eye]

but I think if Hasbro were willing to rename poor Hellbat and Killbison, they could at least have given Guyhawk a better name.

The only reason those two (and Deathsaurus) got renamed is because there was no way in Hellbat that they were gonna market children's toys with names that contained the words "Hell", "Kill" and "Death" in them.

When's the last time we got a Hasbro retail TF toy whose name contained a blatant reference to death and/or murder?

Skullsmasher? I mean sure it's a bit tamer than "Skullcruncher" but it's still implying the crumpling of craniums.

By your own admission, that's a watered down less-harsh-sounding name. Had it stayed "Skullcruncher" you'd have had something there.

Yeah it's definitely watered down, I will agree.

Also, they seem to be comfortable with releasing a toy named Liokaiser, which is potentially far more risky than releasing a toy with the word "hell" or "kill" in its name (yes I am aware that the rank of Kaiser was pretty much phased out long before the rise of national socialism in Germany, but it still carries connotations that a lot of people get really touchy about).

Bandai of America was releasing Digimon toys at mass retail with the word "Kaiser" in their names way back in 2004. Pretty sure the "'Kaiser" is a questionable term for the name of a children's toy in the U.S." ship has long since set sail by this point.

Huh, I did not know that. Thanks!

But anyway, this is somewhat distracting from my main point, which is that Guyhawk is a really weird and kinda crappy name.

Frankly, if they had gone with "Gaihawk", then a ton of Japanese-ignorant English-speakers would likely be mispronouncing his name and snickering at him being called "Gayhawk". With the official spelling, there's at least no confusion or unintentional homosexual overtones.

...I hadn't thought of that. Sigh.

Thanks for the clarification anyway.

[Mr O]

I always thought 'Gaihawk' was Japanese for 'Warhawk'.

[Kurona]

I dunno; I'd very much enjoy unintentional homosexual overtones

[Mr O]

I dunno; I'd very much enjoy unintentional homosexual overtones

It's been ages since we had a decent Ramhorn.