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[ZeroWolf]

Without silverbolt being an eagle though, that would be dead to me. Though it still irks me that there was multiple prowls and silverbolts running around in beast wars. Imagine if they met up? No wonder Japan changed their names.

[Hellscream9999]

The molds just dont work for those characters. Prowl looks ok but the other 3 are hideous. The fact that these repaints even appear in a comic to justify their existance is Hasbro really scraping the crud off the bottom of the barrel. I think they should have just stuck to Victorion and the G2 repaints. These lazy repaints are more of an insult to the characters rather than a homage. If they wanted to reissue the characters they should have dusted off the original classics molds and given the US more cartoon accurate decos than the first time around. They could just slap the "Combiner Wars" monkier on the packages like they did with Armada Megatron, Huffer, and other figures shoehorned into the line. That would have been so much better than giving the characters a downgrade.

I only don't like Ironhide. They are only doing these repaints for us older fans. Since these are already made, might as well get more use out of them right?

That's just it, isn't it? They didn't have too; they could have come up with inventive re-uses of micromaster figures that have never seen an update, or other semi-obscure characters, there's hundreds of them, I'm sure. This isn't even a proper throwback because the masquerade team isn't even correct; and please another worthless reuse of the crappy o/p torso

This entire team just screams lazy to me. Now maybe these characters haven't been re-released for a while, and maybe buying them online now is an expensive pain, but these figures really don't do them any justice, and it took away 6 slots from cooler more interesting figures; I bet Sabrblade or Jelze could pound out a team roster based on micromasters in about 10 seconds, and I know it would be more appealing than this team. I will get them, but only because I like the molds, and I need a set of limbs for skyreign; but I will never love them like any of the other teams

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Challenge Accepted!

Ironhide: Tote

Transformers G1 1989 Tote (Flak) Gallery

Sunstreaker: Free-Wheeler or Neo-Wheel

Transformers G1 1989 Free Wheeler (Wheelrun) Gallery


Transformers Universe Hot Spot Gallery

Prowl: Stakeout or Road Police

Transformers G1 1989 Stakeout (Hôrî) Gallery


Transformers Universe Prowl Gallery

Mirage: Tailspin or Circuit

Transformers G1 1989 Tailspin (Spinchange) Gallery


Transformers Universe Streetwise Gallery

[Sabrblade]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

[Hellscream9999]

Challenge Accepted!

Ironhide: Tote

Transformers G1 1989 Tote (Flak) Gallery

Sunstreaker: Free-Wheeler or Neo-Wheel

Transformers G1 1989 Free Wheeler (Wheelrun) Gallery


Transformers Universe Hot Spot Gallery

Prowl: Stakeout or Road Police

Transformers G1 1989 Stakeout (Hôrî) Gallery


Transformers Universe Prowl Gallery

Mirage: Tailspin or Circuit

Transformers G1 1989 Tailspin (Spinchange) Gallery


Transformers Universe Streetwise Gallery

Epic I already care more for this set than the '84 teams combined; I particularly like Stakeout's color scheme, blue not seen enough in these combiners, one of the many reasons that I like Offroad so much - that teal

Now, how about some ?

[william-james88]

That's just it, isn't it? They didn't have too; they could have come up with inventive re-uses of micromaster figures that have never seen an update, or other semi-obscure characters, there's hundreds of them, I'm sure. This isn't even a proper throwback because the masquerade team isn't even correct; and please another worthless reuse of the crappy o/p torso

This gets me wondering 2 things.

1. Was the Masquerade ever confirmed officially? Because from what I remember, it was just a fan stating this when the listing was leaked and then it just kept getting a confirmation bias when everyone was using that name in the news posts across TF fan sites. But I dont think this was ever more than just a fan name/idea. If anyone actually has a source that this is the actual theme, please send the link. Because or else, this calling it the "masquerade Combiner" is the same as saying there are alligators in the sewers.

2. This point is the more important one. I just got Blackjack today and the first thing I thought of was, "what are they waiting for making this a Runabout and Runamuck redeco". Takara is already doing a Runabout deco. And now looking at that message using these molds for bringing back old TFs, I was wondering about the Throttlebots. If Blackjack was used to make the Battlechargers and some throttlebots would we fans call that lazy? Or would we like it?

[Hellscream9999]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

I don't know what they look like, but I would probably be all over them; but how about the flyer teams and military teams? Don't feel restricted to just the car molds...

[Hellscream9999]

That's just it, isn't it? They didn't have too; they could have come up with inventive re-uses of micromaster figures that have never seen an update, or other semi-obscure characters, there's hundreds of them, I'm sure. This isn't even a proper throwback because the masquerade team isn't even correct; and please another worthless reuse of the crappy o/p torso

This gets me wondering 2 things.

1. Was the Masquerade ever confirmed officially? Because from what I remember, it was just a fan stating this when the listing was leaked and then it just kept getting a confirmation bias when everyone was using that name in the news posts across TF fan sites. But I dont think this was ever more than just a fan name/idea. If anyone actually has a source that this is the actual theme, please send the link. Because or else, this calling it the "masquerade Combiner" is the same as saying there are alligators in the sewers.

2. This point is the more important one. I just got Blackjack today and the first thing I thought of was, "what are they waiting for making this a Runabout and Runamuck redeco". Takara is already doing a Runabout deco. And now looking at that message using these molds for bringing back old TFs, I was wondering about the Throttlebots. If Blackjack was used to make the Battlechargers and some throttlebots would we fans call that lazy? Or would we like it?

1. The first, wasn't to my knowlegde, it was just such an iconic moment, that people kinda saw the stunticons and o/p and tried to use this as justification for hasbro's laziness.

2. There will always be people to call anything 'lazy', but I think that we as fans would be happy to see any obscure niche of tf history honored with an update (especially since I wasn't around for them the first time through)

I just think that the '84 crew has seen so many rehashes over the last several lines, that people are just tired of them. There are any number of tf's that have never seen an update, that fit these molds, that we could easily have gotten 2 years worth of fun inventive combiners based on obscure teams, like the throttlebot, or the micromaster teams, or any of the other sub-themes... I think all of this just goes to highlight the sheer laziness of regurgitating the '84 crew all over again; that and the lack of many combiners

[Sabrblade]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

I don't know what they look like, but I would probably be all over them;

This is Sixturbo - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sixturbo
http://www.tfu.info/1992/Cybertron/Sixturbo/sixturbo.htm

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

I don't know what they look like, but I would probably be all over them; but how about the flyer teams and military teams? Don't feel restricted to just the car molds...

You'll know him better as Universe 2003 Micromaster Defensor.

The Mixmaster Six-Teams only have 4 themes:

1) Race and Rescue (Sixturbo)
2) Aircraft (Sixwing)
3) Construction (Sixbuiler)
4) Trains (Sixliner & Sixtrain

The Construction Team is of special interest, since they use exactly the same vehicle modes as the Constructicons (and were even redecoed as them) so a Sixbuilder homage is easy to make. Sixwing is basically Superion, only with a Space Shuttle and Helicopter in the mix.

[william-james88]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

Great but what about:

Landcross:

Wingwaver out of Silverbolt

Dash out of Breakdown

Tackle out of First Aid (or just keep Ironhide like that and call him Tackle)

Tacker out of Rook

Mach out of Blastoff (BURN!)

[Hellscream9999]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

I don't know what they look like, but I would probably be all over them; but how about the flyer teams and military teams? Don't feel restricted to just the car molds...

You'll know him better as Universe 2003 Micromaster Defensor.

The Mixmaster Six-Teams only have 4 themes:

1) Race and Rescue (Sixturbo)
2) Aircraft (Sixwing)
3) Construction (Sixbuiler)
4) Trains (Sixliner & Sixtrain

The Construction Team is of special interest, since they use exactly the same vehicle modes as the Constructicons (and were even redecoed as them) so a Sixbuilder homage is easy to make. Sixwing is basically Superion, only with a Space Shuttle and Helicopter in the mix.

Yeah, I recognized him (apart from the formula-1 car) as micromaster defensor, thanks for the pic; I'd have to say, that I would have really liked him in lieu of the '84 teams.

[Hellscream9999]

Combiner Wars Sixturbo!

Hot Spot -- Discharge
Legends Groove -- Glide
Steetwise -- Road Police
Drag Strip -- Circuit
Breakdown -- Neo-Wheel
First Aid -- Sireen

Great but what about:

Landcross:

Wingwaver out of Silverbolt

Dash out of Breakdown

Tackle out of First Aid (or just keep Ironhide like that and call him Tackle)

Tacker out of Rook

Mach out of Blastoff (BURN!)

Well, that's just it, isn't it? What about him? Well, this is yet another awesome combiner we could have had, if not for hasbro's laziness, or lack of creativity. I mean, we've compiled at least 3, much cooler combiners that could use the existing molds, in under 30 minutes Even if hasbro couldn't secure the names, we would see the homage, and love them for it, but, no, we just get another set of characters we all have

[william-james88]

Well, that's just it, isn't it? What about him? Well, this is yet another awesome combiner we could have had, if not for hasbro's laziness, or lack of creativity. I mean, we've compiled at least 3, much cooler combiners that could use the existing molds, in under 30 minutes Even if hasbro couldn't secure the names, we would see the homage, and love them for it, but, no, we just get another set of characters we all have

But I can see why hasbro didnt go for it. While the 84 team is not original, it is probably more profitable/popular than any of these. A few of these didnt even get issued in the US.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Well, that's just it, isn't it? What about him? Well, this is yet another awesome combiner we could have had, if not for hasbro's laziness, or lack of creativity. I mean, we've compiled at least 3, much cooler combiners that could use the existing molds, in under 30 minutes Even if hasbro couldn't secure the names, we would see the homage, and love them for it, but, no, we just get another set of characters we all have

But I can see why hasbro didnt go for it. While the 84 team is not original, it is probably more profitable than any of these. A few of these didnt even get issued in the US.

Exactly: the more obscure the character, the less people know him, ergo the less people that would be eager to buy it.

[Hellscream9999]

Well, that's just it, isn't it? What about him? Well, this is yet another awesome combiner we could have had, if not for hasbro's laziness, or lack of creativity. I mean, we've compiled at least 3, much cooler combiners that could use the existing molds, in under 30 minutes Even if hasbro couldn't secure the names, we would see the homage, and love them for it, but, no, we just get another set of characters we all have

But I can see why hasbro didnt go for it. While the 84 team is not original, it is probably more profitable than any of these. A few of these didnt even get issued in the US.

Exactly: the more obscure the character, the less people know him, ergo the less people that would be eager to buy it.

I honestly don't know about that; the only people who really recognize them probably have superior versions of most, if not all of them, those that don't probably wouldn't care either way. There doesn't seem to be a ton of people that are super excited for this release, even going all the way back to the leaked art; reception to it has seemed kind of dead-panned.

Now does this mean that it won't sell, of course not, but that doesn't mean that hasbro could have gotten away with something a little more obscure. AS I said the collectors would appreciate the obscure homage, and the random kids/parents wouldn't care either way, so it is still the same thing. How can Ironhide be more recognizbale - outside the collectors sphere, because of course we recognize him - than some micromaster? Ironhide hasn't been in a show since G1 I believe. He wasn't in animated, prime or rid'15, so your arguement is sorta groundless.

[william-james88]

Well, that's just it, isn't it? What about him? Well, this is yet another awesome combiner we could have had, if not for hasbro's laziness, or lack of creativity. I mean, we've compiled at least 3, much cooler combiners that could use the existing molds, in under 30 minutes Even if hasbro couldn't secure the names, we would see the homage, and love them for it, but, no, we just get another set of characters we all have

But I can see why hasbro didnt go for it. While the 84 team is not original, it is probably more profitable than any of these. A few of these didnt even get issued in the US.

Exactly: the more obscure the character, the less people know him, ergo the less people that would be eager to buy it.

I honestly don't know about that; the only people who really recognize them probably have superior versions of most, if not all of them, those that don't probably wouldn't care either way. There doesn't seem to be a ton of people that are super excited for this release, even going all the way back to the leaked art; reception to it has seemed kind of dead-panned.

Now does this mean that it won't sell, of course not, but that doesn't mean that hasbro could have gotten away with something a little more obscure. AS I said the collectors would appreciate the obscure homage, and the random kids/parents wouldn't care either way, so it is still the same thing. How can Ironhide be more recognizbale - outside the collectors sphere, because of course we recognize him - than some micromaster? Ironhide hasn't been in a show since G1 I believe. He wasn't in animated, prime or rid'15, so your arguement is sorta groundless.

But Ironhide and all these 84 bots are in the comics. These micromasters arent.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Plus, everyone who remembers the characters from the G1 cartoon are now parents themselves, and pass that knowledge on their children. Anything beyond 1986... "who are they?"

[JazZeke]

Plus, Ironhide's a name kids would recognize from the movies, even if he looks different. He's one of the franchise mainstays.

[Hellscream9999]

Well, that's just it, isn't it? What about him? Well, this is yet another awesome combiner we could have had, if not for hasbro's laziness, or lack of creativity. I mean, we've compiled at least 3, much cooler combiners that could use the existing molds, in under 30 minutes Even if hasbro couldn't secure the names, we would see the homage, and love them for it, but, no, we just get another set of characters we all have

But I can see why hasbro didnt go for it. While the 84 team is not original, it is probably more profitable than any of these. A few of these didnt even get issued in the US.

Exactly: the more obscure the character, the less people know him, ergo the less people that would be eager to buy it.

I honestly don't know about that; the only people who really recognize them probably have superior versions of most, if not all of them, those that don't probably wouldn't care either way. There doesn't seem to be a ton of people that are super excited for this release, even going all the way back to the leaked art; reception to it has seemed kind of dead-panned.

Now does this mean that it won't sell, of course not, but that doesn't mean that hasbro could have gotten away with something a little more obscure. AS I said the collectors would appreciate the obscure homage, and the random kids/parents wouldn't care either way, so it is still the same thing. How can Ironhide be more recognizbale - outside the collectors sphere, because of course we recognize him - than some micromaster? Ironhide hasn't been in a show since G1 I believe. He wasn't in animated, prime or rid'15, so your arguement is sorta groundless.

But Ironhide and all these 84 bots are in the comics. These micromasters arent.

Yes, but do random kids read them? As I said, collectors already know who these guys are, the argument was: the '84 team isn't obscure so people will buy them. But collectors know who they are, so the argument can only be applied to kids and parents who don't know who they are. And apart from the comics, the only ones who have been in a tv show were prowl (energon, maybe?), mirage (a bad guy boat form energon, not much recognizability there), and smokescreen (armada, prime?) so they are prety much as obscure as any micromaster.

[william-james88]

Yes, but do random kids read them? As I said, collectors already know who these guys are, the argument was: the '84 team isn't obscure so people will buy them. But collectors know who they are, so the argument can only be applied to kids and parents who don't know who they are. And apart from the comics, the only ones who have been in a tv show were prowl (energon, maybe?), mirage (a bad guy boat form energon, not much recognizability there), and smokescreen (armada, prime?) so they are prety much as obscure as any micromaster.

A lot of your friends gave other good examples above as to why kids would know them. Movies and their parents sharing their nostalgia. There is also the fact that its parents who buy toys for their kids and they can be inclined to get something they recognise from their childhood. A lot of marketting decisions (if not all) are targeted at the buyer even though they are not the main consumer. The reason why men's underwear have hunks (ripped male models) on them is actually to attract women since it was found in many studies that men's underwear are predominantly bought by women instead of men.

That aside, for the case of Prowl and Ironhide, kids do know them in those colours due to their appearance on android and apple apps. Like in the RID app. I went to a friend's house and his kid was showing me his RID ipad game and showed me all the characters he was proud to have unlocked, which included Prowl and Ironhide.

[peaces]

cause hasbro likes to make money

[Hellscream9999]

Yes, but do random kids read them? As I said, collectors already know who these guys are, the argument was: the '84 team isn't obscure so people will buy them. But collectors know who they are, so the argument can only be applied to kids and parents who don't know who they are. And apart from the comics, the only ones who have been in a tv show were prowl (energon, maybe?), mirage (a bad guy boat form energon, not much recognizability there), and smokescreen (armada, prime?) so they are prety much as obscure as any micromaster.

A lot of your friends gave other good examples above as to why kids would know them. Movies and their parents sharing their nostalgia. There is also the fact that its parents who buy toys for their kids and they can be inclined to get something they recognise from their childhood. A lot of marketting decisions (if not all) are targeted at the buyer even though they are not the main consumer. The reason why men's underwear have hunks (ripped male models) on them is actually to attract women since it was found in many studies that men's underwear are predominantly bought by women instead of men.

That aside, for the case of Prowl and Ironhide, kids do know them in those colours due to their appearance on android and apple apps. Like in the RID app. I went to a friend's house and his kid was showing me his RID ipad game and showed me all the characters he was proud to have unlocked, which included Prowl and Ironhide.

Yeah all of those were added while I was typing out my last response Not trying to be a d&ck, but it's something I wonder about a lot. If I'm being honest it just stems from my disappointment from these two sets (the '84 teams) I wish they had more decepticons, and I wish they weren't the same figures that I've passed on so many times before, so, I dunno...

[transformnerd114]

You know? The dark gray hands under the silver, outer parts don't actually look that bad. I kinda like them.

[william-james88]

Yeah all of those were added while I was typing out my last response Not trying to be a d&ck, but it's something I wonder about a lot. If I'm being honest it just stems from my disappointment from these two sets (the '84 teams) I wish they had more decepticons, and I wish they weren't the same figures that I've passed on so many times before, so, I dunno...

I dont like owning the same mold of something (especially when it's just a redeco and not a retool). So that's why it's easy for me to ignore those two extra G1 combiners. I probably would not have bought them even if it was a Landcross homage. I would rather just own landcross.